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Utah Jazz: No Deron Williams, but plenty of 'D' in win

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  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Feb. 2, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Interesting 51 comments when we lost the game and only 32 when we won.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 2, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Todd,you nailed it,which cj will show up today? the lazy flabby soft overpaid,cry baby,or the kid with potetial that shows up once a week?Capt,until he becomes a guy we can depend on everyday,put up with it

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Feb. 2, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    CJ has plenty of garbage games also, we have to always have to worry which CJ wakes up to see if we have a chance to win or not, it is funny we are always held hostage seemingly by CJ and Kirilenko.

    Better chance to win the lotto

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Houdini: Even when CJ has a good game you put the hate on him. Come on, get over it. I am frustrated by CJ's inconsistency and sometimes feel it is time to trade him but when he plays well give him credit.
    He is talented and when he plays well the Jazz usually win. His Defense is weak but last night he played slightly better defense.

  • phnehme La Jolla, CA
    Feb. 1, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    We need a 2 gaurd that can consistantly put up 15 points a night and shoot close to 45%....pretty clear that it isn't CJ....CJ is a lot like JR Smith toooooo streaky...If we can land someone without giving up our core SAP,AJ,AK,DWILL...then we could be dangerous.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Tell Sloan to keep on with his 8 man rotation. He ain't lost enough yet to get to the lottery.

    Don't give up on Price yet. With all that has been going on he is trying too hard. He can play.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Trade Deron? No way. He won't bolt if the Jazz put another piece or two in place for a serious run (fingers crossed).

    Andrei's contract will be off the books after this season, and if he does stay it will be for far less money. I think AK understands this and has still made it clear he wants to stay. Whatever happens with him, we'll have a chunk of change to work with.

    I do think another SG is in order RIGHT NOW. But trading Deron would be stupid, especially to another team in the West where they'll have to play against him & deal with him in the playoffs.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    The so-called "bobkitties" are in the top eight in the East. They are a weak but playoff team. This was a very good victory for the Jazz with good defense. They have to build on this chemistry. It is stated that Watson can run a team but can't shoot. Williams does both but is he Pg also supposed to be the SG? Williams is also leaving with his "bling on the bench". The Jazz are starting to transition. I like Kirilenko but it is time for him to head for the "playground in the sky" with Gene Autry and Rudolph. The actual smart thing to do is to trade D-Will before he "bolts". The deadline is Feb. 4. The Nets want Kirilenko and it appears Dallas is interested in Williams. It is time. Ben Hansbrough at ND and his brother Tyler along with David Lee of GS should be primary targets. If they could get Fridette, would that boost attendance or what?

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Sorry I don't think Gaines is an NBA shooting guard, last time I checked he was still shorter than Ronnie Price. To play backup point you have to be able to knock down free throws which he has trouble doing. Watson has been a nice fix at the backup point and we have more glaring issues. I think we need to look for a real 2 guard with some atheticism, length, who can shoot and defend. A true center would also be nice. Switching fours to fives and ones to twos leaves your team undersized and flawed. Let not forget what we already know.

  • Not So Fast Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Nice to see you back Jody, was concerned when you didn't cover the Warriors game.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    A close win over the Bobkitties, a hapless team in the east and calling it was attribuable to wonderful defense is stretching it considerably. Take a look at the kitty roster and see that many of the players are castoffs from other teams. Kwami Brown, Jackson, et al. Come on man. A win is a win, but stop it with all this baloney about beating a team going nowhere. Please be realistic and give the fans some real information. The Jazz are holding onto a possible playoff position by their proverbial fingernails. I see trouble for the balance of the season. A decimated Houston club comes into town next. They have an ordinary team, but in many respects play better than the Jazz. The Jazz cannot guard quick players, are undersized and weak upfront; and other than CJ Miles have no punch coming off the bench. The are on a current track to win 54 games, which will barely get them into the playoffs; anywhere from 6th to 8th place. Obviously this will pit them against San Antonio, Los Angeles, Oklahoma City, Dallas, and the like; one series and go home. They don't have the horses.

    Go Jazz.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Watson +26. AK plays great for three games; runs the floor; moves without the ball; huge energy. That will all end when D-Will returns and freezes him out.

    AJ is the black hole. I just wish he would shoot it quicker. He is not Kevin McHale despite all of the effort on offense.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    It was not a pretty win, but at this point, we take what we can get. I still think we need to add a shooter.

    Go Jazz!

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    I have been one of the biggest critics of the Jazz this past month or so I admit. But, if this team and the players on it would play with the heart, desire, and effort like last night even if they lose I would shut my mouth. Nice effort team!

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    Good play from our front line again,Millsap is a warrior,can you imagine cj playing with dislocated fingers? the guy sits out when he has the sniffles or a hang-nail,trade the bum

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    If Hayward would be more of a shooter that could solve the need for another SG. Remember that pre-season game where he scored 26? He's capable, just needs a little time to develop. I think he could be a great contributor next year. Maybe some D-league time would be helpful...at least he'd get minutes. Evans too.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Good defense tonight. High turnovers, but at least some of those came from the refs being whistle happy on the Jazz last night. Watch those turnovers & MORE OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS. Few more assists would have been nice, but Earl does a great job running this offense.

    If AK keeps playing well that will help us tremendously. He's so good cutting to the basket. Al and Millsap can both play inside-out, and it really helps that they can both hit those short jumpers because opponents know they can't leave them open even from 10-15 feet.

    Keep improving & building and the slump will be history.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Better, but not out of the woods yet.

    More CJ and Evans, less Bell.

    Notice how early running by Watson enabled the Jazz to win the first quarter.

    I would've like to have seen Evans play more. I think CJ needs more time to be more consistent. Raja plays good D but I'm tired of seeing brick after brick after brick. CJ would be publicly flogged by Sloan if he had a bad stretch like Raja.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Man oh man I like the idea of picking up cheap combo guards. Sounds like they are to be had at Walmart, tell KOC to take his shopping cart and get a dozen of them as I know 28 other teams who would take a few as well.

    At the same time have Santa drop off a shot for Ronnie so he can stop embarassing the team with the one he doesn't have.

    The other part of this reality scenario is that AK is a $3-$ M player who is getting $17M which is a huge discrepancy. Bigger than the Jazz can afford.
    For less money we can have David Lee step in and actually shoot and hit and not turnover the ball.

    Jazz need to fire Hornacek as there are few worse shooting teams in the league. He may hae been a good player but like Kevin McHale they have proven they are incapable of coaching others.

    Bring back Malone to coach the bigs on the team.

    This is way too many words to write after beating a team like the Bobcats.

  • TexasAg Humble, TX
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    Jimmer in the crowd? I smell NCAA violations. Is there a suspension coming? ;)

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 4:07 a.m.

    To AK FAN: The only reason I advocate trading AK is to save lux. tax $'s. Otherwise, he is one of best players - but somewhat inconsistant. If we do trade him, we need to pick up some talent in return.
    I like the idea of sending Heyward and Evans to the D league for awhile and getting a combo guard on the cheap for the rest of the season. Maybe KOC can find another one like Matthews. Not likely, though.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    When CJ is on like tonight it helps us win obviously, however, no consistency. Still if we are ever going to get some more defensive help such as shot blocker in front court, CJ is one of the few tradable components.

    CJ was good tonight, Raja is making shots so positives came out of this ugly 83-78 win.

    Defense though can solve lots of issues. The Jazz have to start focusing nightly on defense.

    Defense and Boards means Rings

    As Riley said "No rebounds no Rings"

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    Bugoff, I like Sundiata. However this mentality of sticking with familiar faces has to stop. It is getting so so tiresome worrying what Sloan the master wants as he has total control like Coach, GM and President. Spare me who does not agree.

    Tonight, AJ had a good game, Watson was effective not laden with fouls. The Jazz for one fo the few times recognized the corner 3. Even though Charlotte did not use this much part of theyr'e offense. Only Jackson 3 with 4:19 left and a poor 3 point shooter Wallace's 2 at end, were the only open corner 3s all night. So hats off to the boys.

    Raja did the job for sometime on Jackson, AK had the turnovers, played D though, ran floor well and made a big shot. Millsap was excellent. His 2 offensive board in protecting 81-78 lead huge.

    Fes did a good job in his 5 minutes got picked on with bogus foul calls as usual. Protected the paint and intimidated on a shot.

    If DWIL played we win likely fairly easily. The good news is Denver lost so we are now #6 and out of Laker Bracket

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    Bugoff: I like the idea of sending Hayward to D League to get PT and build confidence but I'm not that high on Gaines. I think there are other bigger 2's that can shoot out there that KOC could bring in.
    I'd like to see Evans go down to the D League too, and instruct him to shoot it every time he gets it. He supposedly shoots OK in practice but he needs to get to the point he's not afraid to pull the trigger in a game. He needs to show he can hit a 15 to 18 foot jumper.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    Send Hayward to D League for 4 or 5 games with instructions to score 20+ every night.

    Not a demotion, but a change (chance) to get used to scoring so the Jazz can bring him in for 5-15 minutes and score when CJ/AK are having an off night or play him at SG (but he has to score like Mathews did).

    If Hayward will (can) score then there is no need to add an SG.

    However, he is not going to learn to pull the trigger just playing spot practice and garbage game minutes.

    He has to get into a scoring mentality. A few games in D league could do that.

    Sloan has played him and even started him but he does not solve the problems because he does not shoot.

    Even if Hayward bricked them he would be no worse than playing Price at 1-9 shooting.

    Hayward is smart enough to play PG and passes reasonably well. He needs to be cross trained at PG for next year.

    If he can run a team he will not bust even if he is not a great scorer.

    Get Gaines send Hayward to D League (cheap fix).

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    +26 for Watson and -21 for Price. Yikes.

    I didn't see the game, so I won't comment too much. I don't think its a wise idea to trade a player (or give up on him) for only one game. Price has been a stud this entire year bringing energy and heart. Unfortunately he doesn't bring much height or consistency in his shooting. But a Ronnie Price steal and dunk is worth WAY more than a Kyle Korver three or anything else that could happen. He changes the momentum better than anyone else on this team (just ask Lamar Odom and the Lakers.)

    If we lost Ronnie, I'm sure we'd recover. He really isn't tall enough to play the 2, and the Jazz really really need another good 2 guard. But I LOVE Ronnie Price and he brings a great dimension to this team.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    AK has played pretty well the last 3 games or so. If he is healthy and contributing his expiring contract is worth more to the Jazz (in the lux tax) than it is to most teams.

    Price is expiring but I am not sure he can be moved. He is also useful in some situations.

    KOC can find a shooting guard on the cheap. Someone who can spot up and bust a zone when needed or unpack the paint.

    Gaines may be available if his 10 day contract is not renewed. He can both play point and shoot enough to open up a zone. He knows the system. Gaines is a band aid and not a long term solution.

    I doubt if the Jazz will go get a decent much less expensive SG this year.

    Trading Bell, Okur or Elson would be problematic as they are not expiring contracts. It might be possible to trade Fes to HOU but for what?

    The Jazz will not trade Hayward and should not. Ditto for AJ. Trading Millsap does not make sense. Especially if Okur is not 100%. Keeping CJ and Evans makes sense.

    Get a cheap SG/PG who can shoot.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    Panama you are the one have no clue about basketball. Jazz wins because of AK. Just think about that before open mouth. Watson pushes Jazz plays better up tempo game.
    Game almost lost because of terrible jump shots AL. I guess without AL Jazz could win big. Bobcats is worst than Twolves.
    Once AL gets ball every others player freezes( they knows AL shoots 100%)He shoots so soft cannot rebound offensively if misses all boxed out.
    One thing about Price he plays hard sometimes overaggressive but he doesn't get those precious playing minutes to check intake. Price plays better when AL not in court.
    Good win
    Go AK

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    When CJ plays well, he is invaluable and I'm always glad when he does but he inconsistency is maddening.
    I hope he comes ready to play Wed.
    When AK plays aggressive he's the second best player on the team and definitely someone the Jazz need to resign at a reasonable salary.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    @panamadesnews
    Need a densive shooting guard with hieght who can really shoot the ball well.

    I'd like Andre Iguadala...that would be awesome...but not sure if that's likely

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    Wow! Watson had a 21 -/+ differential. Price was the opposite. Does that tell us who the Jazz need to replace before next year. When or if they trade Kirilenko, they need to deal Price with him, & pick up a nice combo guard, who can play PG, SG, and score points. Greg, do it. This team just needs a little tweeking. But that said, who do we get to replace Kirilenko? If he were more consistant, we would not want to trade him. But he is on his way down - not the Kirilenko of old. Anyone have any ideas?

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    AK almost had a triple double!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    The team played D tonight. They would not have won without holding the BCats to .36% shooting.

    I hate to rag on Price. I know he does the best he can but the Jazz offense just does not run when Price plays PG. Price did have 4 rebounds which did help.

    CJ could do a better job running the team, however his shooting was needed badly tonight. Cross train Hayward at PG?

    Watson can't shoot but he sure can run a team.

    CJ had a great game tonight including good D. AK, Millsap and AJ with double doubles. Bell's 2 point shooting is better, no 3 attempts which is wise until he heals.

    Price going 1 for 9 nearly killed the team. 19 TOs did not help.

    Millsap saved this with last minute offensive rebounds and FTs.

    A win is a win. But the D was good.