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College basketball polls: Cougars still in top 10, Aggies in both polls

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  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Naked Truth -- agree, at least until next year when BYU and Utah (not they my Utes are adding anything this year) leave the MWC.

    But in the Big East, Big 12, the Big 10 or the SEC you can go .500 in your conference and still have a shot at the NCAA's. In the MWC you go .500 in the conference and its tough to make the NIT/CBI. Same could be said for the WCC or WAC. As a mid-major you need to dominate your league - because, generally speaking, the leagues are not as good top to bottom.

    The major conferences have the depth that separates them from the mid-majors. Mid-majors need to play quality out of conference schedules in order to get noticed. The Big East can afford to play a very weak out of conference schedule to pad its record - then go .500 in conference and still have a shot at the big dance. It happens every year.

    BYU has not "transcended the mid-major label" enough to be granted a NCAA birth with only 20 wins. You see some major conference teams get in with 18 wins.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    The MWC is so bad that ESPN and CBS have them ranked as the number 5 conference in the land. They are ahead of the PAC 10 and SEC. The MWC is getting respect, BYU and San Diego St are both getting respect. The may not be the 6 to 9th best teams in the land we will find out in March but if the continue to win they both have a chance to be 2-3 seeds.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    We can pat each other on the back about our schools moving up in the polls and getting invited to the big dance. Real lasting respect wont come until these teams are able to make a run in the NCAA tournament.

    This season I would put the top six schools from the Big 12 ahead of the Y and USU. And I would put Texas and Kansas light years ahead of all other teams in the country.

    That's the difference between a major and a mid-major conference.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    UU32

    I agree that the BCS/non-BCS label is out of place with every sport except football.

    As far as major, mid-major basketball conferences, your take is generally correct, but there are vast fluctuations from year to year with the strength of conferences. The MWC has been stronger in recent years than some of the "major" conferences, including the PAC 10, as shown by the number of NCAA bids and conference RPI rankings.

    And, there are some programs within the so-called mid-major conferences that have transcended the mid-major label of their respective conference and are usually strong enough to get invited to big dance even if they don't win their conference tournament/championship - BYU and Utah State are two such programs.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Re: UU32

    To add to your point, the MWC is no longer (or shouldn't be) considered a mid-major. They're rated the #4 conference this year and will get multiple NCAA tourney bids, just like last year and in previous years. I think a lot of basketball fans around the country erroneously still consider the MWC a mid-major conference but the powers that be don't. Take the fact that not one MWC team is involved in this year's Bracket Buster and haven't been for a few years now.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Jimmy James -- Basketball is why the word mid-major was invented. Football is BCS and non-BCS. Basketball is major conference, mid-major or a guaranteed one bid league. I agree that I don't like the BCS vernacular used in basketball because it have absolutely nothing to do with anything. But mid-major is an appropriate term for conferences that generally struggle to get numerous bids to the tournament every year or conferences where you have to really shine to make the tournament. Unlike some major conferences where you can go .500 in leauge and still make the tournament.

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    Bluto:

    I completely agree. It really bothers me when I hear the word "mid-major" thrown around in basketball. Being in a BCS conference has everything to do with football and nothing to do with basketball.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    Vince
    When the Cougars lose it's news. When the utes win it makes headlines. Get over it.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    Nice to see the basketball powerhouses in the state getting some respect.

    Jimmermania is just getting started.

    BYU and ESPN are a match made in heaven.

    I hope the rest of the state is ready for it because you are going to see BYU hyped on ESPN for the next several years. You will be hearing and seeing them on a weekly basis.

    Tom Holmoe and the boys at BYU have done an excellent job of getting the exposure that the MWC has done such a poor job of getting.

    Great job and Go Cougars!

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Jan. 31, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    Wow. I am surprised. I do think number 9 is a good place for the Cougars. They really need to develop more players into scoring threats. Come on Emery. Come on Hartsock. Come on Collingsworth, Come on Rogers and Abouo. Put the ball in the hoop.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    You'll have to pardon hedgehog's brother Mildred; he's as confused as his sister hedgehog.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    Mildred,

    The only thing more classless than a typical classless ute is a typical classless ute pretending to be a byu fan.

    Grow up bud

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Lehi, you are correct. The Aggies are not very dominant this year. They should be, however.
    The one thing they have this year is several players that can have their A game going when one person or two aren't producing. This must make all the coaches pull their hair out trying to figure out how to beat the Aggies. I don't think the Y is a top 10 school but then again I don't think the Aggies are a top 25 school either. The polsters have to recognize wins vs loses and both teams have won several games. Aggies however have won the games they are suppose to vs the Y loosing to teams they should have beaten.
    By the way, Wayne Estes was the best

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Hedge, do you mind if before I "mark it down", I watch the games?

    Thanks, bro...

  • lehiaggie Lehi, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Tough game on Saturday for BYU. To follow a very emotional game against SDSU with a game in the Pit is difficult.

    I don't feel the Aggies are the dominant team of the past few years, but they keep pulling off wins and doing it as a team. The Bracket Buster game will be interesting.

    Go Ags!

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    hedgehog

    "3 more conference loses coming jimer and fill ins. MARK IT DOWN"

    I have it marked down right next to your CST and UNLV and SDSU losses predictions. Thanks!

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Utah State. BYU. Two D-1 basketball powers in this state. Paging Majerus.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    I wonder how high BYU would of been ranked had they held the lead in the Pit? Maybe as high as 4? For sure above SDSU.

    The nice thing about SDSU staying above BYU is that it makes the rematch in San Diego that much more interesting.

    BYU can still get a No. 2 seed if it wins out and does well in the UNLV invitational. However, sometimes it is better to be a No. 4 seed and stay in the West than a No. 2 or 3 seed and go East or South.

    Good luck BYU. Enjoy the ride.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    I thought everybody hated the Cougars. If so, how can we lose and move up in the polls? I am still upset that the officials didn't call more fouls in the New Mexico game against New Mexico. They sure seemed to be disrespectful to our team (especially to Jummer).

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Wedgie's spelling is a bad as Urban Legand's who could not even spell BYU. Her spelling and grammar are so bad that her last post is as empty as her arguments.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    hedgehog will continue to make hundreds and hundreds of inane predictions about BYU and will still be wrong.

    MARK IT DOWN

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    3 more "loses"?

    Poor hedgehog; still working feverously to finish that 7th grade English class before his mom cuts off his television privileges.

    We've "marked it down", and since hedgehog has become BYU's good luck charm with his predictions, we now know that...

    BYU is a lock to win their next three!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    hedgehog - ask your groundhog if he can see his shadow. If he does see his shadow then go back to sleep and if he doesn't, then go try run across the street and get squashed! Go away or go see Cry Baby (or Bitter).

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    3 more conference loses coming jimer and fill ins.

    MARK IT DOWN

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    Vince

    The only "jokes" I see are blind haters who think their own biased opinions are more valid than a concensus of voters from across the country.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    @Haweye 79

    The BCS only refers to Football.

    Not Basketball. don't fall into their trap.

    There is no such thing as, non-aq, mid-major, big 6, non equity, teams in basketball.

    Basketball is a diffferent animal.

    The Big East is a so called bcs league and yet many of their teams don't play football.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    Not all losses are equal, that's for sure, and the votes know it.

    It seems the 1997-98 Utes come up a lot lately. They lost at Wyoming and ...(wait for it)...in the Pit.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Just what it New Mexico's record at home? Any guesses? It's 11-1!!!!!!!!! The only loss at home this year is to SDSU.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    This shows some nice respect for both BYU and SDSU. I predicted we would be 12-15. It also shows that people know how hard it is to play at the Pit even in a down year. The Jimmer craze probably helped too as BYU is everywhere in the media.

    It also helps that the pollsters recognize BYU has beaten 3 teams currently ranked (SDSU, Arizona and USU) and CSU, St Mary's and UNLV also got votes.

    Even with the losses this is setting up for the game at SDSU to be even bigger! This should help the Cougs get their heads back quick following the NM loss. Still a ton to achieve this season!

    Go Cougs!

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    My bad Pitt lost too. Sometimes I miss those Sunday upsets. Insane week for the top 25. That's why college basketball is so fun and if this week means anything it's that the tournament in March will be AMAZING!

    I can't wait. Go Cougars and Aggies!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    @ Tom in Cal
    I agree UNM is still the reigning MWC champions for the last two years and they've got a top notch Coach. This year is not over for the Lobos yet...they may still be a spoiler and pull off some other big games yet...as well.

  • Balan West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    Just as there was no shame for SDSU to lose at BYU, there is no shame in losing at the Pit. The pollsters recongize that and voted accordingly.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    No complaints here. Actually moving up a spot was something I wasn't expecting but in reality the rankings are not as significant as they are sometimes made to be...almost 50% of the top 25 had losses this week with 7 of the top 10 being part of that group. Syracuse still remained in the top 10 despite 3 straight losses but now with their 4th they finally dropped out. The seedings will still be the ultimate measurement and right now Both San Diego State and BYU are still looking at least as #3's at this point in time.

    Scoobie

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    re: Striker Yes it is true...the mountain west is not that great! They can be ranked as high as 7 or 8 but if you really know anything about basketball you would know that in the NCAA tournament the BIG teams across the country usually beat the MW teams. I don't care if Jimmer is on the team or not, they get beat by the better teams. It happens every year!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Don't need to hang your head about losing in the Pit.

    How about Duke losing to a nobody? Stuff happens.

  • TaipeiModerate New Haven, CT
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Vince: The pollsters recognized the UNM loss for what it was, a trap game in a hard-to-play arena after a physically and mentally exhausting win over a top 5 team. UNM is mediocre, but they were able to get on a pretty good run to end the game.

    They have some good players, and can get much better in the next few years. It actually helps UNM when they are actually good next year for BYU to stay well ranked this year.

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Apparently the MWC and USU have all earned some respect....great for the state and region.

    As a BYU fan I am still pulling for Utah to continue the good progress too...I just can't understand why so many partisans can't enjoy the success of all and not take it so personally when a favorite struggles or loses.....

    Reality is, you win some / you lose some. Life goes on.....

  • Old Gregg Alpine, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    @ Vince,

    As others have already stated, BYU's win over previously ranked #4 and the fact that a lot of other top 10 teams lost, helped BYU move up one spot. BYU could say the same thing you just did since SDSU is still ranked ahead of them. As emberassing as this sounds, UNM doesn't even have a winning conference record so ya, they are "nothing" YET this year. Maybe a few more quality wins especially on the road would help their case. I think they have a lot of talent but they are no where close to a top 25 team. Sorry.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Vince, Your opinion is a "COMPLETE" joke inspired by jealousy, obsession and blind hate. Too bad you don't have a vote. The people who count and whose opinions matter say that BYU is the #8 team in the country and USU is 21st. The polls are as fair as they can be without all of these teams playing each other.
    These two teams are really alot of fun to watch this year. I wish the Aggies were on TV more.
    Go Aggies, Go Cougars, and to the jealous haters; GO AWAY!

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    These polls are a "COMPLETE" farce! BYU gets hammered and still gains a spot and the team doing the hammering is "nothing" this year. Wow!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Yeah, loads of top 15 teams lost this week. No one was really moving up. BYU beat a top 5 team...that helped them stay in the top 10. Their only true tough game should be at SDSU. BYU has played all their tough road games already.

    The MWC is not that great? Do you know anything about basketball? SDSU is ranked, UNLV has been ranked or getting votes all year. CSU is great, UNM is not as good as last year, but still good, and AFA has a winning record. Compare that to other mid-majors...you won't find that. They have 2 teams in the top 10. The WAC has one team in the top 25 and none getting votes.

  • Ogden Aggie Ogden, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    Keep on winning and keep on climbing the polls Aggies. Can't wait for this week's ESPN against Nevada. It is going to be epic! Go State!!!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    What I can't figure it out - how did Syracuse stayed in top 25 after losing 4 straight? And of couse Notre Dame is ND - woopie doo, wait, maybe we will face ND and see another length of Jimmer lookalike Danny Ainge replay. That would be cool.

  • TexasAg Humble, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    This is probably as high as byu will be ranked all season (unless they go on some crazy run come tourney time). It's not because they couldn't get ranked higher but it's because the MWC is not that great. Same with the Aggies. Top 15 is probably where the Aggies will top out if they win out the conference plus the WAC tourney.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    BYU got lucky because every top ten team lost except Pitt, Kansas and OSU and those three all barely won against weak teams. It was a wild weak for the top 25.

    I'm glad the Aggies and Cougars are getting the respect they deserve!

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Well done Aggies. Nice to have some national love.

    Go Big Blue!!!

  • TexasAg Humble, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    What played into byu's favor is the other teams around them lost as well. duke gets respect, they got hammered and are still at #5, notre dame got respect cuz they jumped 6 spots from 14 to 8 (in the coaches poll).

  • 3141 Columbus, Ohio
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Go Aggies!

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Apparently the demise of BYU basketball was exaggerated.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Wow - how often do you see a non-BCS team lose a game and still advance in the Top 10?

    It's nice to have some national respect!