This is a great loss particularly if the whole team realizes that basketball is
a team sport that requires all of it's members for input in practice and in the
game being played.It's great to have a player like Jimmer put the
other players on the team are more than spectators. Spectators are those that
pay to watch the game. The individual team members are those whose given
scholarships to play it.Sometimes I think some try to reverse those
roles and it doesn't work that way, very well.
Everyone needs to be involved and engaged for BYU to be more balanced this year
and make some noise in the tourney. If that means Fredette takes less shots on
purpose and scores less, I believe that's better for the team come March. In the
NCAA tourney, good teams will slow down Fredette by throwing their best
defenders on him. Fredette will still score 25 to 30 pts but at what cost?The cost is that he will shoot 26 shots and make half of them. It's not
going to be the way to win games against good tourney teams. They need double
figures from Emery, Collinsworth, Davies, and Hartsock. If that's the case, then
I see them going really far in the tourney. The regular season
really doens't matter too much except for seeding. Coach Rose and BYU need to
realize that the tournament is where you will be judged as a great team. It's
not in beating the Wyomings, CSU's, and Air Forces of the World. It's when you
can win 3 to 4 games in the tourney. That's when BYU will get respect
I've said it before, I'll say it again--tds is a one-trick pony. Without The
Jimmer, you've got nothing. You can't go far in the NCAA unless you have a more
well-rounded and deeper team. Diss me all you want, but you know it's true. Even
chubbuckidahocougfan gets it. And one more thing--you start losing, and The
Jimmer will start whining. Just like he did last year. It's all so predictable.
Something I've noticed about USU b-ball players when they lose is that they
admit that the other team played better, and Stew let's them know it. Such was
the case when BYU beat us at the MC earlier in the season. In that game, Tai
Wesley muffed up his free-throw opportunities, which most likely cost us the
game. Perhaps BYU needs to man-up and admit that NM was the better team. Blaming
the Pit is not very classy. I hope the Cougars will improve their teamwork when
the NCAA tournament comes around.Good Luck Cougars!
History has interesting lessons. Those of us who are LDS know some interesting
things about history. A long time ago and even today one rule seems to remain
true. Apostates may leave the church but they just can't leave it alone. Your
actions are very simular to those of apostates. Chris, most of us know a little
about basketball and what you have said is the obvious. Many of us have made
those exact same comments way before the loss and gang rape at UNM. The gang
rape refers to all of those no calls. Even the Standard Examiner who is not
really pro BYU even noticed and made comments about a mugging. Should not you be
more worried about Utahs problems. They are getting better and that is good.Jeff
This loss was no big deal and was not a bad loss. The Cougars will probably go
14-2 in conference with the only other loss likely to come at San Diego St. They
still may end up 2nd in the conference because the Aztecs may not lose again in
conference play. The Cougars should win at least two conference tournament games
and at least 1 NCAA game. SDSU has tough road games at CSU & UNLV that I
expect them to win. They already beat New Mexico in the Pit. New Mexico has
improved considerably in the last 2-3 games. They are a young talented team that
is beginning to peak but I would be shocked if they beat the Cougars in Provo or
on a neutral court. Chris B's takes pleasure in seeing BYU lose and
baiting BYU fans. He posts on every BYU article. I am sure he is in no way
representative of the typical Utah fan. I have a number of Utah fans who are
friends and Chris B would be an embarrassment to them. His analyiss of BYU
sports is clouded by his hate and should not be taken seriously.
What a disappointing, disappointing loss! Our Cougs had momentum on their side
from the HUGE SDSU win into their 13 point lead in the 2nd half on Saturday.
But, I question the following statement: "Noah Hartsock and Jackson Emery
combined to shoot 4-for-15 from the field." That's it about Jackson Emery?
He has been MIA ever since he set the all time steals record. Very poor showing
against both SDSU (4 points) and the Lobos (6 points). Hartsock at least reached
double figures Saturday. Emery is much too good of a player not to produce on a
consistent basis. As much as the Nat'l Pub about Jimmer is great attention for
the program, he is shouldering way too much of the load.Jackson
BYU has a history of collapses on the road in all sports. They did get mugged
at New Mexico. The officiating was atrocious. They called that game like the
NBA. The MWC is terrible in all sports officiating. It doesn't matter what the
Cougars ranking will be at the end of the regular season anyway as far a seeding
is concerned. They will get a major conference team in the first round of the
NCAA Tournament. Before that they will get jobbed at the UNLV Invitational at
the end of the conference season and get shafted there as well. The Cougar
backups, as well as well as Hartsock and Emery were smothered in the Saturday
game by the no calls of excessive New Mexico physicality and brutal play. Shame
on you officials. It was like a pinball machine game, and I'm serious about
this. Clean it up you yahoos.
BYU fans -- don't worry too much about the loss in the Pit. That is a very tough
place to win. Also, don't concede the game at SDSU so quickly. To get a 2 seed
the Cougs will need that win and a trip to the MWC tournament finals (without
any upsets in between). Not sure why BYU fans are so quick to chalk that one up
the SDSU trip as a loss. For all the Jimmer is a one man show talk -
you don't go 20-2 with a one man show. Plus, would you have Hartsock and
Collinworth shooting more? Why? When you have the best horse, why not ride it?
As a basketball junky, I'd like to see Jimmer play some more 2 (his natural
position) and run him off more screens. He doesn't need less shots, he needs
more shots, but in the flow of the offense rather than dominating the ball out
front. Just one Ute's opinion though. And Chris B - you sir/,ma'am,
are no Utah fan.
UU32: "When you have the best horse, why not ride it?" Yes. You want
to "ride" your horse, but you don't want to ride him into the ground.
There is no way that Jimmer can keep this pace up through the end of the regular
season the MWC Tournament and NCAA Tournament. The other players, "hello
Mr. Emery-- where've you been?", have got to produce on a consistent basis.
Davies is picking up his game; Hartsock has to be more consistent; and it would
be good if Emery could once again return to his nightly touble-digit scoring.
He's the 2nd leading scorer, but his avg. is dropping with each game. And I
don't think anyone is expecting Kyle Collingsworth to be any more than a
So Cal Reader - I agree. My point is, it is not less shots that Jimmer needs -
25 to 30 shots a game with this team is about right. However, it is less
dominating the ball at the top of the key that is needed. Not only would it help
his teammates get more involved, but it would help his draft stock as well. No
question the others need to step up and contribute more (which will likely be
BYU's downfall in the NCAA's) - but that doesn't necessarily mean shooting more.
It could simply mean bringing the ball up the court once in a while to let
Jimmer go down low and run off screens.
As a Utah fan I havent watched many cougar BB games, but I will admit I watched
the last 2. I think Jimmer is good and yes he deserves the attention he is
getting. My big question is this: Is he always so out of breath? I know he plays
almost the whole game, but at times he looks totally winded. I have heard them
say he is in great shape this year, but he seems to be dead tired at times. What
is the story? (I am not dissing him at all, just curious)
@SkippyIt's a rare disorder that comes from repetitively lifting
your arms over your head in a shooting motion over may years. It causes, loss of
breathe and......Ok.. just kidding. He plays every minute of every
Skippy:What I saw on Jimmer's face during the 2nd half at NM was
more frustration than fatigue. BYU's defense won the SDSU game, and appeared to
hit a wall at about the 12 min. mark in the second half at NM. I think the
combined effort of beating SDSU and holding off NM for 28 minutes took a huge
toll; plus, it was a physical game and Fredette did not get calls he's used to
getting. He only got to the line 3 or 4 times. He gave up at least 5 free
throws by dishing the ball as he was being fouled - and the Cougs got nothing
out of it. Must be frustrating when you try to create opportunities for your
teammates and they miss the open shot.All you need to know about
Jimmer's condition: in the SDSU game, Billy White was put on Jimmer at one point
in the 2nd half, and after following him around for all of 3 minutes, White was
completely gassed and nearly collapsed on the bench.
As long as Jackson Emory plays like a freshman instead of a senior, Jimmer has
to take the game over or they get beat. He tries not to be a one man team in the
beginning and then when the others can't hit the broad side of a barn, he has to
take over and gets real tired. Rose needs to get supporting cast to shoot better
in their offense of run and gun or they are in big trouble.
utah county ute: Thanks for your humor!Dee J: Thanks for your
opinion. I did notice White was wasted also, I just didn't know if Jimmer was
sick or if it was his minutes. Thanks
UNM really played BYU's style of game. They were run and gun and transition
mode the whole time. This is why the Jimmer was winded. But UNM really played
an excellent second half. I mean it was near perfect. I think they shot like
57 percent. BYU's weakness was laid out in the open on national tv. UNM scored
at will in the paint showing that there is no strong defensive presence for BYU
under the basket. We also saw clearly that besides Jimmer and Brandon Davies,
there are no reliable scorers for BYU. I beg coach Rose insert Anybody off the
bench in place of Jacker Emery when Jacker is missing all of his three point
attempts. There has got to be someone on that bench who will seize the moment
and score a couple of buckets.