@ UtemanIt was not a direct comparison between BYU losing to USU and
Utah losing to Notre Dame. I was simply stating both teams had embarrassing
losses last year.And the argument of Nevada beating BSU is valid
because all you ute fans like to burn BYU's schedule for 2011 because it is
loaded with the WAC teams. But a WAC team (BSU) humiliated Utah. But BSU
themselves were beat by Nevada, who also beat BYU, and would have beaten Utah as
well. So I was basically saying the WAC is better than Utah fans give credit.
The WAC is equal to the MWC in quality. You should probably do your
homework, Reggie Dunn and the other three of Utahs 4 star JUCO recruits from
2010 were included in the class rankings. Go ahead and look it up on scout. And
even with those 4 star recruits, Utah was still 28 spaces behind BYU. Ouch. You are right about this year though. Utah's class is much better then
BYU's. But due to the great 2010 class and returning missionaries, Bronco could
afford to take it easy and pull in some Defensive needs.
@ JEFFE17-16 10-3 / 7-6Did you really make a
comparison of losing to Notre Dame vs. Utah State? Your argument
gets better with Nevada beating Boise. Is that the same Nevada team that blew
out BYU at LES? Here is another fact: Utah's recruiting class add
(3) very good recruits after signing day. I am sure adding Mo Lee, Dexter
Ransom and Reggie Dunn would have ranked Utah's class much higher. Most of the
hype was related to Heaps. Congrats! Now you can go compare this
year if you would like and make sure you add Anthony Denham to the list.
This argument of who was less bad last season is really getting old. Yes, BYU
suffered a humiliating loss to USU. Utah also suffered a 28-3 massacre at the
hands of a 7-6 Notre Dame team. And a 26-3 loss to BSU who got beat by UNR
previously. Can we move on now? As far as comparing
recruiting, don't even go there. Lets compare the 2010 Recruiting
class of both schools.Scout- BYU: #22 recruiting classUtah: #50 recruiting class Thats quite a gap wouldn't you say? 28 teams
between BYU and Utah.Rivals-BYU: #40 recruiting classUtah- #32 recruiting class Not too big of a gap. 8 teams between the
two.Here are some more credited college football networks and their
opinions on the matter. National Football Post-BYU #30
recruiting classUtah Unranked.Bleacher Report-BYU #9 In
Ranking 2010's Top College Football Recruiting Classes on OffenseUtah: Not
mentioned.College Football Cafeteria-BYU #22Utah
Unranked Comcast Sports-BYU #22Utah UnrankedYou're welcome.
Whoa Duckhunter is getting rallied from Kankles in Florida. LOL
I don't recall Kyle ever saying he recruiting Utah wasn't a top priority. And
Utah has done quite well in recent years recruiting local talent. This year was
a bumper crop of local talent, so Utah, BYU and I'm sure USU got quite a few
commits from in state.Kyle is on record as saying he roughly likes
30% of each class from Utah, Cali and Texas, with the remaining 10% from other
areas like Vegas, Hawaii or other areas.Congrats to the Utes on
realing in a great class, and congrats to the future Utes chosing a great
school. I look forward to seeing you on the field.Go Utes
Ha ha, I have to laugh a bit. Sorry this isn't part of the recruiting
conversation but I noticed Duckhunter said Utah only beat BYU because of a
"lucky gift from the officials". Duckhunter did you by chance watch
the BYU/SDSU football game? That bit of "luck" was the difference
between BYU going to a bowl and not going to a bowl. That bit of luck also got
the officials in trouble and a BYU employee that happened to be in the booth
FIRED because of a blown call. None of that happened after the BYU/UTAH game
just so you know. Duckhunter logic=FAIL
Duckhunter:I thought you dont use selective stats my man? You did not get
one fact right in your reasoning. You cant use Rivals for one argument and scout
for another. Things you were wrong about:rivals- utah has 2 four
star recruits, byu has 1scout- utah has 1, byu has zeroyou also said
that the only reason utah's class is rated above byu's is because they have more
commits, why dont you go back and try to count again, byu has 18 commits and
utah has 17 (this time when you go back and count take off your shoes and count
your toes, because I know how hard it is to count to eighteen) Still
waiting on your comeback about Utah having 9 guys committed that have more BCS
offers than BYU's best recruit(Ryker Matthews).
@wedgieIf by "duking it out" you mean getting pummeled
then yes i can see your point. Also how many are left to "announce their
decision on Wed"? Everyday 2-3 more annouce they are going somewhere else.
Not many left to hear from. Anyway you look at it utah has gotten exactly 1 guy,
langi, that those other schools were after. Maybe they get 1 or 2 more on
Wednesday but with the way things are trending I wouldn't hold my breath if I
was you.@kanklesUtah has one 4 star recruit at this
point. 1. BYU also has one 4 star recruit. 1. Scout currently has utah ranked
with the 50th best recruiting class in the country. They have BYU ranked 59th.
Utah only rankes above BYU because of the number of recruits they have not the
quality. Remeber if you believe it then it isn't a lie. LOL
@khActually you lack topic comprehension. 1st I never posted
anything in this thread about utahs finish, you did. You did it to change the
subject which is utahs rapidly falling recruiting class. So utahs terrible
finish to the season isn't the debate but for some reason you wanted to bring it
up. I don't know why as it should be embarrassing to you.Look I can
do that to. kh do you really think it is fair to criticize BYU's finish to the
season when they went 5-1 when utah went a pitiful 3-3 with all losses being
blowouts on national tv and the BYU win being a lucky gift from the officials?
Honestly I hope you weren't on the utah debate team as that is
simply embarrassing. Once again I never criticized utahs finish in this thread,
never even mentioned it. I have only spoken about utahs failing recruiting
class. You just want to deflect the conversation to something else because you
have no answers as to why recruits are running the other direction when you are
now a pac10 powerhouse with norm chow on the staff.LOL
Duckhunter:according to scout.com,Utah has 9 guys committed that
have more BCS offers than BYU's best recruit(Ryker Matthews). Five 4-star
recruits have Utah in there top 2 and will announce their decisions wednesday.
BYU has not gotten a visit from a four star player this entire year. Lets hear
your comeback Duckhunter were all waiting for it. "The level of
criticism reflects level of education"- bronco mendenhall, i think
that was directed at you duckhunter
Let me be real simple for you Duckhunter, since it is clear you have reading
comprehension problems. The debate is this: Do you (a byu fan)
think that it is fair to bash Utah for finishing the last five games of the
season 3-2 and a win over BYU, when BYU didn't even average as good as 3-2 the
Ducky,You seem to really be stessing on the Utah boards today...I understand.While the Utes are duking it out with USC, UCLA and
the other big boys; Broko and gang are home crocheting.You do
understand that most of the guys the utes are after will announce thier decision
on Wed...right?How about you hold your childish fit until then....
my guess is we wont be hearing from you on Wed.
Like I said kh what's to debate? You just brought up some unrelated stuff you
think have meaning to the conversation. They don't. We're discussing
utahs radily failing recruiting class here, not BYU's previous season or utah's
limping finish. I never brought either of those things up, you did. You did it
to avoid talking about the utes current failure.It didn't work.
You keep avoiding my questions and comments. Debate whether or not you should
be able to bash Utah for beating BYU and going 3-2 in the last five games of the
regular season, when BYU didn't even average as good as 3-2 during the entire
season.Also, your inability to answer my question about the Utah
State game shows that you simply cannot admit to yourself that BYU got killed by
pretty much a highschool team.
@naval vetSo your ban is ended and you're back? Like I asked wedgie
yesterday how come none of those guys did anything much? Cullen was the only one
that started and he was just mediocre. Also how did you come up with your little
list of schools there? Seems like you just started typing whatever schools
popped into your head. Nice job. LOL
What's to debate kh? That you can post whatever selective stats you think show
ute superiority? I never do that and never will. I will tell you this however.
The recruiting class gals like wedgie, christina b, howard and yourself have
been bragging about for the last several weeks on these boards is crashing down
around you. Litterally none of these recruits you guys claimed
you're competing with the "big boys" (your term not mine) for is
coming to utah. You got your regular assortment of 2 and 3 star guys that got
offeres from similar schools as utah like new mexico and san jose state but none
of these 4 star studs wedgie has been drooling about is coming.Why
is that? I mean you're in the pac10 and you have norm chow! Heck as soon as norm
was announced as the new o.c. your top qb "commit" bailed for another
school.Frankly I would like one of you girls to tell us why this
keeps happening? I'm confused as this isn't what you have been telling us was
going to happen since last June. This isn't what was supposed to happen.
Duckhunter:Most of those athletes haven't signed with the U because
LOI day isn't until Wednesday. Nevertheless, LAST LOI day [Feb.
2010], the Utes signed FOUR 4-star recruits, and finished with the 32nd-ranked
recruiting class according to Rivals. Those 4-star recruits had offers from
USC, UCLA, Cal, Washington, ASU, Colo, Auburn, Tenn, Notre Dame, Mich. St,
Oklahoma, Okla. St, Texas A&M, Tx. Tech, Baylor, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas
St, Florida St, Miami, West Virginia, USF, and Lousiville. And NONE
of those 4-star recruits were from Utah. So it looks like we've won SOME of our
recruiting wars. And THAT was recruiting as a mid-major. With the change in
conferences, we're sure to win a few more.But cheer up my little
frantic and emotional zoob. You're still out-2-star-recruiting the Utes this
year. You did it last year too. Go zoobs.
@wedgieAnd all of BYU's instate recruits had offers from utah.
What's your point?
Try to debate anything in my post Duckhunter. You can't. Stop bashing on Utah
for beating BYU.And also, please answer my question. Did BYU really
lose to Utah State? I already know the answer but I want to hear it from you.
@kh Aren't we discussing utahs inability to sign a single top
recruit other than langi? I understand why you want to change the subject but no
one is falling for it. So will utah get even one of these guys?
Doesn't look like it.LOL
It's kind of funny that Duckhunter gives Utah crap about struggling to finish
the season when Utah beat BYU. In fact, Utah went 3-2 in the last five games of
the regular season. If BYU averaged 3-2 during the entire season their record
would be better than their 6-6 record in the regular season. This just shows
the bias that goes into posting for Duckhunter. 17-162 out of 36 out of 9P.S. Did BYU really lose to Utah State?
Your right Duckhunter!!!
@utes4everJealous of what? Are we supposed to be jealous of a school
that has been rejected by every top recruit they have been trying to recruit?
Other than lnagi you haven't gotten a single one. Each day brings news of
another 2 or 3 that chose somewhere else.I'm actually wondering if
utah is really "recruiting" these kids at all. Sure they tried to make
contact with them, then they announced to the press they are recruiting them and
competing for them with the big boys. But then somehow not a single one actually
ever signs with them.That is strange result considering utah is now
in the pac10 and has norm chow, blah, blah, blah.LOL
The U focuses on all of the instate kids that are worth focusing on. You can
not fill your college roster with only Utah kids. It's not a secret that
California (especially the LA area) is a hotspot for recruiting (just look at
the arguing that went on regarding PAC12 conference boundaries because of
wanting to be in LA for recruiting) and it's not much of a secret that Texas is
a hotspot as well. Utah is just being smart....cherrypicking the top Utah
prospects (Langi), and then going to the national hotspots for the rest of their
recruiting.Please ignore all ignorant BYU fans that post here.
These people are just looking for a reaction and are mostly just jealous.
Agreed I wont call byu tds anymore, I will just call them byu. We now have
bigger fish to to fry, mainly USC, UCLA, and the Arizona schools! Thanks for
considering my post classy byu fans. We are grateful for the Ute Tribe allowing
us to still have the name.
Serenity Now -- As a Ute fan, I completely agree. I have no clue why the
childish names are used - except that perhaps those using them are in fact
children or teens without the maturity to have a grown up conversation.
"Yewts" instead of Utes is even more offensive given the lack of
respect for the Native American (thank you Fresnogirl) tribe they honor (with
the tribe's permission). TDS is something that should have died when
I personally am excited about the recruiting class. I think there are always
some that get away, but I was worried about the running back situation after the
graduations and the injuries to Shakerin. Not any more, that will be filled. I
also think the PAC 12 deal will help in state recruiting in a huge way.GO
@Cougar4everSeriously, "bro"?! You really need to go take
a breather. Kyle did say he was going to focus on getting athletes
from Texas and Cali, I do remember that. Everyone always does, along with
Florida and a few other hotspots. It all comes down to % of top athletes that
come out of those states each year. As far as Kyle taking "pot
shots" at byU and calling them "stupid"? Give me the name and
date of the article the quote was from. Otherwise....Go Utes!
Why do Ute fans like to abbreviate "touchdowns" (TDS) when referring
to BYU? That seems like an admission of offensive inadequacy by the Utes....If
it's a geographical statement in light of a refusal to pronounce the actual name
of Utah's chief rival (similar to scared witches and wizards refusing to say the
frightening name of Lord Voldemoord in the Harry Potter movies), the presence of
PAC-12 teams farther south like Arizona, ASU, USC and UCLA might make
"TDS" a big confusing in the future; so let's muster up the courage to
call BYU the only name fitting: "The University Who Must Not Be Named"
"And, to all of you in-state recruits who signed with Utah, it's because
they couldn't get anyone better that you are on the team,"hoopmama44,6 of the 8 "utah" recruites had tds offers.
But if your saying that couldn't get a better offer I won't agrue with you.
re: utahcountyute Good luck making it to that conference champ game in the next
century. And the Rose Bowl? "Stupid" and "moron" seem to
apply the same to you, when they are the only words that are applicable in
either case. I noticed how you didn't even try to argue my point about Kyle
contradicting himself because you know it is so very true. Keep rearranging
those deck chairs on the Titanic, bro. And good luck to your all of sudden
"best athletes in the country" from right here in good old Utah. Yee
Cougar4ever"stupid" and "morons" all in the same
post? That sure is a deep vocabulary you carry there."You
deserve exactly what you have coming to you in the PAC12."What
is that exactly? A chance to go to the Rose Bowl every year, NC inclusion,
better recruiting in and out of state, a conference champ game that pays $2 Mil
each year. I'm sure Kyle deserves all of that.
Wow. I am still just baffled at the contradictions. Really, I am. It would be
funny if it weren't so pathetic. Sorry, Kyle. You have just exposed a lot about
yourself and your program in one short article. And, to all of you in-state
recruits who signed with Utah, it's because they couldn't get anyone better that
you are on the team. Ask Kyle. He said it himself a couple of years ago.
Wait, this is a joke, right? I think it was two years ago when Kyle told
everyone their focus was on Texas and California because Utah didn't produce the
kind of athletes that could compete at the next level like these states did. Go
ahead, someone, look it up. How quickly things change when all you CAN get are
kids from Utah! I remember Kyle making taking pot shots at BYU for being stupid
in offereing local kids so early and how that wasn't Utah's game, too. Wow. What
a bunch of complete morons. What an embarrassment to so brutally condtradict
yourself, Kyle. You deserve exactly what you have coming to you in the PAC12.
@PeteYou see what I mean right after your nice classy post you have some
guy going off about byu and how superior they are? Who cares buddy this is a Ute
article! Congrats to the U, I hope they land some more solid recruits to play
for them. We have had some great football players come from California and
Texas. I am also glad they are getting in state recruits.
Scalley says: "I don't know anybody who gets everybody they
wanted."Wrong Morgan. Haven't you heard Bronco speak about
recruiting? BYU gets everyone they want. In fact, BYU doesn't recruit, kids
recruit BYU to get in. They will never lose an instate recruit that they want.
And when someone turns down BYU, Bronco simply pulls their scholly to make it
seem like it was his decision!
as a BYU fan, its good to see Ute fans praising their own team and recruits and
not worrying about how much they hate BYU. I have respect for you guys
Nice to see 4 of the top Utah recruits coming to the Utes. Pomee and
Henderson package would be a bonus for sure.We'll see how it all
shakes out on the 2nd.
they leave out one our other early commits cb ryan henderson and his high school
teammate junior pomee both very very good players.. well pomee hasnt decided yet
but henderson has given us a verbal commitment the 2 just wanna stay together
and pomee might choose usc which might sway henderson to choose usc on signing
day .. hope we get em both
Looks like a good class to build upon. Keep up the good recruiting and you'll be
just fine in the PAC12.