The state of Utah has been host to some awesome players. I did not begin to
watch until forty years ago. I lived in the great white wilderness of Canada
until 1968. Never saw Estes play. Too bad. Great player, wonderful human
being. Ainge played on a very fine team. Jimmer's supporting cast was not to
the same level as was Ainge's. So not a fair comparison. Back then teams used a
box and one against Ainge. Didn't dare give him a double team as there were
other weapons alongside Ainge. Give Jimmer the two big men who were on the bench
with their size,(Collinsworth& Davies)then give him some consistent support
on "O" and this is a NC quality team for sure. So now it's back to
Jimmer and the original question whether he is the best ever to play in the
State. Definitely top three for sure. As someone already stated his 2010/2011
season is EASILY the best single season EVER in the State of Utah.
I am a die hard Ute, and I will not bash Jimmer! It can be decided where he
ranks later, He is a Stud! The Sports Center guys love him! Jim Rome loves him!
I hope we hold him 30 points and the Utes pull a shocker! But in the real world,
I will enjoy watchin him play
What about Michael Smith?
I knew Estes and he had 4 goals in life. To set the USU field house record - to
score over 2000 points - to be first team all American and to play in the
Olympics. Not only did Estes score 48 the last day of his life to set the field
house record but he scored his 2001st point (before 3 point line era), he was
named first team All American after his death and had already been selected to
the Olympics. Had he lived he would have added several hundred points to his
total. I have watched them all except McGill and IMO Estes was the best.
J1234,I did not dispell BYU's 1984 national championship. I simply
stated that BYU played the schedule they had just like Utah played the schedule
they were given in 1944. I was cheering for BYU in that 1984 game but comments
like yours make it hard for me to keep cheering for BYU.It is BYU
fans that keep dispelling Utah's 1944 championship in the NCAA and subsequent
victory over NIT Champ St. John's. I am only defending.
It's impossible to say who among these players is THE BEST. The played in
different eras and many of them played different positions.But
here's what we know. Jimmer is the best shooter who's ever played in the state
of Utah. Jimmer has the best cross over. Jimmer is the best at driving to the
basket and either making the shot or drawing the foul or both. Jimmer is the
best free throw shooter. Jimmer is the best player in the state of Utah this
year. Jimmer is also the best at making ridiculous shots(other than the Harlem
Globetrotters) that I've ever seen play the game.
I find it interesting that the same Utes that try to dispell BYU's 1984 National
Championship, are those who hold so dearly to the 1944 NCAA championship. They
say that 1984 was so long ago and we're living in the here and now, yet 40 years
added to the equation means nothing to them.Jimmer Fredette does
nothing but improve. He is obviously a special player and those who disagree are
typically just trolls and downers. Really, the lame comments the Utes make about
BYU and Fredette show more about them than they do about BYU and Fredette.GO BYU!
Duckhunter, As for the best player to have been raised in Utah, add Greg Grant
to your list. Look up his stats sometime, and you'll be amazed. He either led
or was among the career leaders in almost every category in his conference,
which included UNLV. He was fantastic as a rebounder, passer, ball stealer,
shooter and defender. Never lost to BYU in eight tries. Lost to the NCAA
champion UNLV rebels in overtime. In fact, never beat UNLV during the Rebels'
glory years but usually lost by one or two points or in overtime or double
overtime. Probably the best player to have played college ball in the state
without an NBA career. Was considered too small for his position in the NBA and
was drafted by Detroit when they had a full roster, which won NBA championships.
Too bad. He was like Bird in that he was super smart and did all the little
things right. He was kind of like Alex Jensen at Utah -- certainly capable of
helping almost any NBA team but never really got the chance to show where
overall playing ability really counts, which is during games and during crunch
Brave Sir Robin, Andre Miller and Keith Van Horn did not average 25 ppg even as
freshmen. Miller averaged 12.1 ppg in college, and Van Horn averaged 20 ppg
over his college career. They were excellent players and might end up with
better NCAA playoff records and NBA records, but Fredette is a better scorer as
a college player, especially when you take out his freshman year, when he played
less than half of each game on the average. He didn't start a single game as a
In almost 50 years of college games I've seen in Utah the two most exciting
players have been Cosic and Fredette. Best shooters: Fredette, Carroll, Ainge.
Best scorers: Fredette, Estes, McGill, Grant, Nate Williams, Van Horn, Newlin,
Ainge. Rebounders: Grant, Warner, M. Smith, Bogut, and Carroll and Miller as
guards. Best defenders? Grant, Ainge, Emery, Jensen, Price. Ball handler:
Fredette, Oscar Williams, Miller. Best passer: Miller, Cosic, Jeff Tebbs.
Blocker: Bradley, Bogut. What sets Fredette apart is ball handling.
He is among the best ever, and that would include Nash, Stockton, Thomas, Curly
Neal, DWill and CP3. He is still young and will continue to make mistakes, but
I bet he ends up with a higher assist to turnover ratio than Darren Williams.
He would have been the best ball handler on the court last night in Bobcats vs.
Jazz. He will pass more in the pros, and will have a chance to show his passing
skills. He's actually a very good passer even today. I've watched him
carefully on defense, and he is quick, plays good position D but obviously
doesn't want to foul out.
LonestarRunner,I noticed you didn't challenge the fact that Utah
played and beat the best team that year recruited and created by the Navy in
Dartmouth College. We all know from BYU's 1984 national championship that you
play the schedule you are given. Only in this case Dartmouth College was a
formidable foe made up of the top players in the east brought there by the
Navy.Utah then played the NIT champs, St. John's. The national
media especially the eastern newspapers billed the game as the national title
game. It was played in Madison Square Garden before 18,000 fans. It carried
all the hype of a BCS national title game. The players and coaches certainly
treated it as such. Utah beat St. John's. Are you satisfied now or is someone
else going to challenge a great college basketball accomplishment?And yes, I have been to many tournaments including a final four.
DutchmanSo beating one good team out of seven was all it took to get
invited to and win an NCAA tournament in 1944?"Explain to me
how a red cross benefit game would differ from a tourney game in terms of
intensity and competition"How you ever been to the Maui
Classic, the Great Alaska Shootout, or the Cancun Challenge?Now
compare those pre-season tournaments to today's NCAA Tournament and you'll
understand the vast difference between a charity game and a championship tourney
A little note about Utah's 1944 NCAA and 1947 NIT Championships:Back
in the day, the NCAA wasn't what it is today -- the NIT was actually more
prestigious. in 1944 the Utes LOST in the NIT and were picked as a last minute
replacement for the NCAA tournament, which they won. In 1947 the Utes won the
NIT with many of the same players which won the 1944 NCAA, some of whom had
returned from the war as someone previously stated.The trolls who
constantly tout the 1944 NCAA Championship generally know little of this,
illustrating the limitations of comparing eras. One, few have actually seen the
players from the different eras. Two, the game advances. Players from later
eras generally have better ball-handling and shooting skills and run faster and
jump higher. Often, however, they have a lower basketball IQ and despite their
better skills are not necessarily better players.
CG,"And the few teams that remained were composed mostly of
freshman and sophomores because all of the upper-classmen were off fighting a
world war."Again, that was true of Utah in 1944 but not of
Dartmouth College. Did you even read my posts? Dartmouth was turned into a
training Center by the Navy and had most of the talented upper classmen from the
east ordered there to train and play their sport. Dartmouth was a formidable
foe in 1944. Utah beat them to win the 1944 NCAA championship.Explain to me how a red cross benefit game would differ from a tourney game in
terms of intensity and competition and the will to win and the pride to be the
winners when Utah beat the NIT champs in 1944. I think you want to denigrate
Utah's accomplishment so much that you will do anything to explain it away.
I have to laugh......those who have never made a basket in their entire life are
posting...NO Jimmer is not the best ever.......LOLLET ME MAKE IT
CLEAR.....Jimmer is the best this state has ever seen....Better than Ainge, Vranes, Bogut, Nemelka, McGill, Newlin, Van Horn, Congdon,
Miller, Nate the Skate, Bradley...... and even Wayne Estes who was considered
the best player in the nation averaging 26 pts a game and who scored 49 pts a
few days before being electrocuted.....Estes was 1st team All American along
with four other names you might be familiar with unless you have never made a
basket in your life?.... Rick Barry, Bill Bradley, Gail Goodrich and Cazzie
Russel...But there is no doubt, Waybe Estes was the best
ever....Until Now! Now Fredette earns that distiction, flatout, hands down, no
I think Brave Sir Robin said it best that this may be the best single season
ever but not the best player ever but even that is suspect. Even though I love
BYU and Jimmer is fun to watch, Danny Ainge or Andre Miller were two players
that really showed what a great player is. As for those comparing Jimmer to how
well someone has played in the NBA, that is not fair. We won't even know that
until he has played. I am sure no one thought John Stockton could play in the
NBA at the level in which he did but, Frank Layden saw something that no one
else did and look what happened. Let's just focus on today and quit speculating
about what will happen at the next level. If Jimmer took BYU to the final four
or better, then the argument can be had as the best season only. Until
Easily at least the last 30 years.
I hope pebbles doesn't read your post CG because he has been clinging to that
1944 tourney like it was the holy grail. This could seriously damage his self
DutchmanThe Utes accepted the NIT bid, because the NIT tournament
was the older and more prestigious tournament.The fact that Utah
LOST to Kentucky in the opening round makes it irrelevant that the Utes beat the
NIT champion in an EXHIBITION game with no championship on the line.Utah's ENTIRE schedule for 1944:Idaho State 54-43at Colorado
College 48-34at Idaho State 52-40NITKentucky 38-46NCAA TournamentMissouri 45-35Iowa State 40-31Dartmouth
(OT) 42-40Utah didn't even win a conference championship in 1944,
because there was no conference for them to play in because everybody else, like
BYU, had suspended their basketball programs.And the few teams that
remained were composed mostly of freshman and sophomores because all of the
upper-classmen were off fighting a world war.
Jimmer is a great college basketball player and deserves to be in the
conversation. That's really good enough. But of course he isn't a product of
this state anymore than Ainge is or Estes, Kosic, McGill or Smith. All played
college ball here but aren't from here.To me there are two
condidates for best basketball player to ever come from this state. Danny Vranes
and Devin Durrant. Neither had much of an NBA career but that really doesn't
matter. Vranes was an absolutely unbeleivable high school player as was Durrant.
I've never seen two better than those 2. They have my tie vote.
Can I follow with Mr. Sorenson's premise, that there is a "best"
player in the history of college basketball?Who is the
"best" player in Utah Jazz history?Who is the
"best" player in Laker history?Who is the best player in
"Celtic History"?Wno is the best NFL player ever?Who is the best NBA player ever...I do wish that Mr. Sorensen
would worry who is the best newspaper sportswriter ever, because then he couls
carry that person's notepad....
Best player ever. Gino Torretta won the Heisman because his team was undefeated
and he wasn't even close. Team does not = player. Many great players do/have
not had great supporting casts. What is the players abilities. A player can be
great and have a hard time of it simply due to the supporting cast. How many
"mediocre" college players end up in the Hall of Fame. Before you
attack or praise a player in a team sport look at his team. I knew a coach once
to say that if he had one other player he could beat any team in the state. He
had one great player but no support. I'm not saying Jimmer is the best and I'm
not saying he's not. I'm saying look at the player and his abilities. I also
don't think you can compare from years gone by.
cynic | 8:21 a.m. Appleton, WI What is the obsession with declaring
everyone and everything "the best" at this or "the best" at
that?===Agreed.I wondered the same thing
when Mr. Sorensen declared the Utah football team of 2008 "the best in the
history of the state of Utah"...Without even bringing up other
schools, I said then I thought the 2004 team was better.Why compare?
Why not enjoy?Fredette backed up a solid PG in Ben Murdock his
freshman year.Miller had Doleac, and was a heck of a rebounder. Ainge had a good PG in Steve Craig.Cosic was a PG in a long
body.I would guess that Mr. Sorenson is getting tired of
"Jimmermania" is because he (I guessing here) never stepped foot on a
field or court, put in the time and effort these athletes do, or dealt with the
physical and emotional strain of season-long competiton. That's why I take Dave
Fox with a grain of salt.When Vai writes a blog about who is the
best football player out of Utah, I'll pay attention.But Hedge,
uteology, utahcountyute, ChrisB, you kids get the hate on the street...
cynic I agree 100% with you. I am as big a fan of Jimmer as anyone,
but I grow tired of the constant comparisons and the need for absolutes.It is good enough for me that he is in the conversation for POY and that
he is fun to watch. But, it does give something for the ute trolls
to complain about, so it isn't all bad I guess.
@79 UteHave to concede...you are right... It was Denver Univ in
Nelson Fieldhouse in Logan. I did see him in the old Smith Field house where he
scored over 30 points twice in a tournament. One was for 37 or 39 points. I do
remember the night he was killed and that it was his best game ever. Sorry I
should have taken the time to touch up on the facts. Yes 45 years ago does get
a little cloudy. But the date was right...and he was as good as they say he was.
There's no denying that.
utebusters,Check your history. The Navy had converted the Dartmouth
campus into a training base, making it home to such basketball stars as
Cornell's Bob Gale, Fordham's Walter Mercer and NYU's Harry Leggat, as well as
future NBA guard Dick McGuire, who after playing in 16 games as a St. John's
freshman received his orders from the Navy and immediately suited up for the
Indians. In 1944 Utah was invited to both the NIT and the NCAA tournaments.
They selected the NIT because it was held in Madison Square Garden and the
tournament paid all their expenses. Utah lost in the first round and was headed
home when the NCAA called and said they needed a replacement team for Arkansas
because two Arkansas players had been killed in an automobile accident. Utah
accepted and won the NCAA by beating Dartmouth. Three days later Utah played
the NIT Champion in a benefit game sponsored by the Red Cross and beat the NIT
Johnson72lol at Utah's 1944 NCAA "championship"The Utes were only 6-1 against actual college teams in 1944 and got destroyed
by Kentucky in the real national championship tournament of the day -- the NIT.
Billy McGill scored 60 without the benefit of a 3-point line or shot clock.Jimmer is GREAT, no doubt about it, but he's not the best college player in
the history of the State.He can score in college but that doesn't mean
that ability will translate to the NBA game. It will be fun to watch though.
He may be the 'best' but his team sure isn't good. Where was the team on
saturday....Jimmer was there. If you look at the statistics from the San D.
game he had NO assists! Who else plays for BYU??? Jimmer, but there is no J, F
or I in TEAM!!
Memories sometimes betray us. Wayne Estes died in Logan, not Provo, after a game
against the University of Denver. In your list of standout players
in Utah, don't forget Mike Newlin. He averaged 23+ points and 7+ rebounds a
year at Utah.
Many things have been noted here about the three point shot and that the
pre-Ainge era banned freshmen from playing on the varsity team. Had those that
played prior to Ainge been able to play for 4 years like the others, the scoring
champ would have one of them, not Van Horn. They were all great players, but to
me the one that I remember most as being the best would have to be Estes.
Jimmer is good, but not best by any means.
What about Kresimir Cosic?
Feb 8 1965. That's a night that I'll never forget... watching Wayne Estes a Sr.
6'6" Forward for Utah State score 48 points and 3 hours later hearing on
KOVO radio that he had died from electrocution while a bystander at the
aftermath of a traffic accident just off the Y intersection on University
Avenue. He was the best...there was no doubt. Even today 45 years later he's
compared with Pete Maravich as one of the best all time in NCAA history. They
said at the time after he was killed that if he had only been a couple of inches
shorter he would have never grazed that power line. Give Fredette credit but
Wayne Estes was one of the most complete and balanced players ever to play
College Basketball. The NBA actually honorably drafted him in Memorium that
year. It was really a sad time in Utah sports History.Scoobie
Don't like BYU never have never will. However, Jimmer is doing a fantastic job
and is a great ball player. The problem however with all the so called great
BYU players is none of them have done great in the NCAA tournament. If Jimmer
can lead his team then he will go down as a great basketball player. Andre
Miller is the man though, no second to him.
Dutchman - I know, painful. But it was great to see the 1960 team at halftime.
He's a great, great player...but until he takes his team to the national
championship game, comes within 10 minutes of winning a national title (against
Kentucky), and then goes on to play over 10 years as a starting point guard in
the NBA, I'll take Andre Miller. Anyone remember the triple double he had in
the tournament against that great Arizona team? When Jimmer does all those
things, I'll declare him the best ever. Till then, Andre's the man.
UU32,I agree with your assessment. We should also bring Jerry
Chambers into this discussion. He led Utah to the final four in 1966 and was
the NCAA Tournament MVP. Utah, BYU and Utah State have had some great players.
I particularly liked to watch Cosic and Ainge on the BYU side but of course
Jimmer is terrific. The rule of thumb has always been that it takes three NBA
type players to get to the NCAA final and/or win the title. I believe BYU has
the one NBA player in Jimmer but that is it. So, probably a run to the elite 8
would more than meet expectations.By the way UU32, I am coming
around to your way of thinking about Boylen. After a week of preparation and he
can't win a home game. What is with that? When it comes down to the final
possessions to win a game Boylen doesn't set it up to put the ball in the hands
of the right player. Where was Clyburn at the end? Many of those
frosh and sophs from 1944 entered the War and then came back in 1947 to win the
As a Utah fan, I can say without reservation that Jimmer is having the best
SINGLE SEASON anybody in the state has ever had.If we're talking
about entire college career, it's not even close. Miller and Van Horn both put
up 25 ppg as freshmen and continued it throughout their 4 years.
Don't know if Jimmer is the "best", but he is loads better than the
blue haters on this board. At least he is positive and making the world beter
rather than tearing it down. No props to the haters...
Re:fresnogirlYou may be right, but this is a classic chicken or the egg
debate. Why would Aggie fans even come to this site? The Tribune is still bad,
but miles ahead of the DNews. The coverage is a joke, and when they do cover
them, they get no respect. I just think that most people know this is
Not even close. Ainge had a much better NBA career than Jimmer will.Utah
has several players who had and are having better NBA careers. Andre scored 55
in a game just last season. Wake me up when Jimmer gets anywhere near that.
In considering scoring, one must remember that the shot clock was initiated in
college basketball during the '85 '86 season forcing offenses to shoot the ball.
This is another factor to consider when comparing offensive stats of players
throughout the years.
Dutchman - great comments on the 1944 team. I also know you have the historical
context of this discussion - Would you say that I have a fair comparison in
Jimmer and Ticky Burden? Great scorers, need to dominate the ball and a
defensive liability? Just curious.
I would actually say that the competition in college basketball is worse than it
was 10 or 20 years ago. If players are any good they'll leave and
go to the NBA. There are a lot more players now that leave after 1 or 2
seasons.It used to be that you had to be very, very good to leave
early. Competition in college is not what it once was.
Ainge was not only better than Jimmer, but far better at BYU. He was tenacious
on both ends of the court. Scored more efficiently that Jimmer - even without
the 3 point line. Don't get me wrong, I think Jimmer is absolutely incredible. I
love watching him shoot - I even applauded him when he beat my Utes. But he's
not nearly as great as Ainge. Van Horn was great, but also had the
benefit of playing with numerous other NBA talents, including Andre who is in
the running in this conversation as well. I'd put Jimmer somewhere along
the same lines as Luther "Ticky" Burden at the U. An amazing scorer
(28.7 ppg before the 3 pt line) who captured America's admiration (leading Team
USA scorer until Kevin Durrant came along), but was a defensive liability and
had to dominate the ball to be effective.McGill was unbelievable.Bogut was great but left early.Kresmir Cosic was an international
legendEstes was awesome too.Chambers and Vranes were a national
story. Even if Jimmer takes the Cougs to the Final Four, it would be
really tough to call him the best.
Lots of short memories in the press corps but the comments on this board are
pretty honest. Being a great basketball player is much more than being a great
scorer. Bogut made everyone around him better.He dominated both ends of
the floor. He affected the game in more ways than scoring.The consumate
teammate. Andre Miller and Keith Van Horn were also incredible basketball
players. Van Horn would defer to Miller and Miller to Van Horn. And Travis
Hansen was a heck of a player. He made his teammates better. I don't see that
one bit with Jimmer, although I concede he is lethal on the offensive end. His
defense leaves much desired.
If Jimmer takes his team to the NC game on his back, we might have a
discussion.That's what Andre Miller did and he is not even
considered the best to have ever played at the U.
Go Big Blue!!!I used to wonder why you guys get ignored so much by
the Utah papers as well, because you have been consistently good for a while
now. But then I went over to the Aggie board and saw that hardly anyone comments
there. Newspapers write articles for the people who read the paper. Get your
fellow Aggies to read and comment more and you'll probably get more coverage.Good luck with the rest of your season.
It is nice to see Estes mentioned. He is certainly one of the best. Extremely
sad story. He had the game of his life and then died tragically trying to help
others. I will echo what others have said. Jimmer is fantastic, but not
the best. If he takes them deep in the tournament, you can revisit the subject.
But I still think he would fall behind a few others.
McGill posted his numbers when there was no 3 point shot and freshman couldn't
play. He put 60 points on BYU in the Smith Fieldhouse on February 24, 1962. He
was also the NBA's number one pick that year. Johnson72,I hope that you are not disrespecting Utah's 1944 championship. If you are, I
suggest that you read up on it. Because of the War many programs like Utah had
to rely on freshman players because the upper classmen were at War and the
freshman and sophs were waiting to go. The Military set up training camps at
some Universities and ordered the best athletes there to train and play their
sport. Utah was not one of them. The Navy set up training and virtually took
over Dartmouth College ordering some of the best college basketball players from
other schools in the east to go there. Dartmouth inherited a great basketball
team in 1944 thanks to the Navy. Utah and its freshman beat Dartmouth for the
1944 NCAA championship.
Who is the best? I don't know but enjoy it when he is still around and who knows
what going to happen when ncaa comes around. Come on, blame it on ncaa for
putting in 3's, no foul boddy contact and shot clock. Who knows ncaa going to
allow first time 4 pointers beyound 40 footers. Get a life and enjoy it and I
think today is the day SI going to release about Jimmer and T.J.
How could anyone consider such a defensive liability the "best"?Put it this way, if jimer was an "average" shooter he would
not be playing D1 basketball. Now, if you want to rank the states
best shooter of all time maybe jimer should be in the discussion.
I generally agree with the story that Jimmer will not go down as the greatest to
ever lace them up in UT. He can't compete with Van Horn, Miller, or Ainge until
they go to at least the elite eight. But man, he is fun to watch and I am going
to savor watching him and the Cougs this year. Enjoy the moment.Good comment on the three's for Estes and Ainge. a three point line could
have put those scoring numbers beyond reach forever.Go Cougs. Come
back from the loss at the Pit and show us what you are made of.
Wow, throw 47 on the Utes and you can generate some vicious hatred.You cannot compare generations. The 3 point shot did not exist and offenses
are run differently now because of it. McGill was "only"
6'9"" and while great size back then, may have been undersized now.
Estes was incredible, but may not be quick enough now. Van Horn, Cosic, both
Chambers, Miller were all really good. Athletes are better now. Lets just
say that Jimmer is really good and enjoy the show.
All scoring numbers are misleading because many of these players did not have
the 3 point shot, for gunners like Ainge and Estes it may have changed
things.Estes, had he lived, would possibly have been the leader.
What is the obsession with declaring everyone and everything "the
best" at this or "the best" at that? How can you accurately
compare different basketball players who played against different competition in
completely different eras?Can't we just agree that Jimmer is a
gifted and exciting player, capable of doing just about anything on a basketball
floor? He'll only play in Provo 5 more times. Can't we just enjoy it while it
lasts?Let history compare these players 20 or 30 or 50 years from
now. When it does, we'll be able to write to the Deseret News and say we
actually saw Jimmer play. That will be the time to reflect on our memories. Now
is the time to be making them.
Jimmer is a great scorer. Jimmer is a great scorer. Once again, Jimmer is a
great scorer. Jimeer is NOT a great basketball player. Assists versus SDSU last
week? ZERO. Can he rebound? NO. Can he distribute and create FOR his teammates?
NO. Jimmer is a fantastic scorer and he will stick in the NBA for a few years.
But I wouldn't even put him in my top 15 players all time in the state of Utah.
I wish Jimmer all the success in the world, but that is my view.
Yes - from an individual standpoint, no one at BYU, Utah or USU has ever had a
season comparable to what Jimmer is having - NO ONE. And this comes from a huge
Ainge fan.BYU is not the best team to ever come out of the state of
Utah - not even close. However, Jimmer is the best player and has the chance to
lead this team to places no BYU team has gone before. We shall see.
Another day another Jimmer article. It would be nice if there was just one
non-AP article about the Aggies,who will move up in the national rankings today.
He might be if he takes BYU to the Final Four or Elite Eight. That is the where
the bar has been set. So until then he is just very, very good.
Does it really matter if the team once again doesn't advance beyond the 2nd
round in the tourney? Short of doing that, the BYU haters will continue to mock
and hurl their venomous insults! Reach the Sweet 16, or better yet the Final
Four, or the Championship game, and all else will be fine, including the scoring
title, because by then, Jimmer would have by passed everybody else on record. Go
Not even near "best ever" in state. not sure he in top 5 at BYU. All
he does is score and we know that doesn't mean win,
Nope.. BYWho basketball has never won anything, Untill they can meet the U's
1944?? championship.. they or who is the best!
I well remember Wayne Estes as a player and his tragic death when he stopped to
help others after a traffic accident only to be electrocuted by a downed power
line iirc. A great guy and a great player. When Billy "The Hill"
McGill played at Utah, I was too young to be aware - no internet and no tv for
me back then. But I heard his name echoing around for many years after that.
All great players as are the others you listed. Many others were great - Jerry
Chambers, Merv "The Magician" Jackson, and a few others in SLC and
down in Provo as well. But Jimmer is already up in the elite group you named
and it is way too early to tell how far he will climb - maybe to the very top.