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Published: Thursday, Jan. 27 2011 11:30 p.m. MST

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"While there's limited data on the effects of same-sex marriage on children, Wilcox hypothesized that in a few years, research will show that children in lesbian or gay family situations will exhibit some of the same problems as children from father-less or cohabiting relationships."

So in the meantime we're just going to guess? You know, why does this state allow single people to adopt but not allow a homosexual partner to adopt?

Anyway, most studies lately are showing children of lesbian couples do the best (lower rates of abuse and such than straight couples).

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Sigh... Why DNews? Why do you keep running these absurd opinion pieces. You are on the wrong side of the issue, and history will flush it out in time.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

I wonder if the relationship between childhood problems and broken households/single parent/cohabitation cited by these researchers is causation or merely correlation. That's an important distinction.

And for a scholar, Wilcox isn't impressing me in the last few paragraphs. There is little data on same sex marriages, but by golly he is going to make assumptions anyway. And roughhousing/wrestling is a needed father-provided activity? I hope that is an out-of-context quote. What if one of your two fathers provides this? Is that different? What if your straight father does not? Is he being negligent?

silas brill
Heber, UT

[Such children (those raised by same-sex couples) often miss out on the unique father-provided benefits, like wrestling and rough-housing, activities where children learn self-control and appropriate expression of aggression.]

That's it? Two women are inferior parents because those kids won't get to wrestle and rough-house? Please tell me there was an error on your web page and the article was truncated.

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

...something we've always known. Can't wait to see RanchHands response to this.

pat1
Taylorsville, UT

Thanks for this article. It seems strange that we have to defend traditional marriage,which has been the norm since history began. Families with functioning mothers and fathers do the best.

truthlover
Milwaukee, WI

So rough-housing and wrestling with your father are required for a good childhood?

Also, is this part of the reason why conservatives hate Obama? I mean, he was successfully raised by a single mother.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

These people are experts. They know what they're talking about. Too bad it's not politically correct. It's not nice to hear that your lifestyle is damaging to children and society in general. Not when you just want to do whatever you want no matter if it's right or wrong. Selfishness is always a lot easier, isn't it.

We need to listen to these people. Our society is in serious trouble and the breakdown of traditional marriage is one of the main reasons. If we keep on this self-destructive path, there might not be much time left for us.

Rox
Salt Lake City, UT

Well there..W. Bradford Wilcox (if that really IS your first name) religion has nothing to do with this? Sorry... I thought you were at BYU.

IJ
Hyrum, Ut

Truthlover, I guess if you consider what is residing in the Whitehouse as successful. Just because a person rises to a social status does not indicate that they are successful. Many "successful" persons end up in less than desirable circumstances - suicide, mental institutions, etc. Success is an interesting label.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

As Emajor eluded to earlier, there is a serious lack of justification for this being causation, and not just correlation. It's just as likely, or probably more likely a result of economic factors, not the presence of two parents. You need to separate the results out by economic class. Is a child of a wealthy single mother more likely to go to jail than the child of wealthy married children?

It seems more likely that single parent homes are more common amongst the poorer populations. Also, poorer populations are more likely to engage in crime--why would a rich kid hold up a 7-11?

Here's an equally relevant hypothesis: people in Beverly Hills eat more organic foods and have a lower probability that those in Compton of going to jail. The result must be that eating organic foods lowers your chance of going to jail.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@Pat1: There is no evidence or data about marriage at the point where history began, unless you are trying to take something straight out of the Bible and apply it to Adam and Eve. If so, after that point, "traditional" marriage consisted many times of multiple wives. Not quite a "traditional" marriage. And the evidence about what the man's versus the woman's duties were, I'm sure, lacking.

@Cats: Are you telling us these speakers at this event are "the" experts, and that it is their/his word that is the end all be all on this matter? If so, we're in a lot of trouble, as the buy basically admits he's only guessing as to what children of homosexual couples will turn out to be. By the way, you use terms like "lifestyle" and "traditional." What lifestyle are you speaking of. Hopefully not a homosexual one, because the data is still not there to make a determination as to its effects on society, except the fact that the religous right want the evil government involvement to get involved. As some of us here in Colorado say: Focus on your own family!

Utah Mom
Orem, UT

Thanks for your research! If we just look around, it is not very difficult to see the negative impact non-traditional marriage is having on the future generation. If things continue as they are going without more support of traditional marriage and raising healthy, well-adjusted children, we're in trouble!!

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

Supporting the traditional family is the best way to make our society stronger. The breakdown of the traditional family unit is the greatest threat we have ever faced. Bigger than global warming or terrorism by far. I know I will be labeled intolerant or a hater or whatever. I've heard all the lies before so I really don't care.

silas brill
Heber, UT

@Cats | 7:29 a.m. Jan. 28, 2011

"These people are experts. They know what they're talking about."

Is that a fact? So then, you'll certainly accept the resolutions in support of gay and lesbian parental rights by the following professional organizations: American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Child Welfare League of America, among others outside of of the U.S.

Do these organizations count as "experts" to you?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Re: truthlover

"Also, is this part of the reason why conservatives hate Obama? I mean, he was successfully raised by a single mother."

If anything, Obama helps to prove Wilcox's point. Wilcox cited studies that show children raised by a single mother are more likely to be substance abusers. Obama smokes - smoking is substance abuse.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

I'm going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and blame it on editing. Because this guy did nothing but throw out assumptions of what data may show in the future based on current data that has nothing to do with same sex relationships.

What will the argument be when data does show that children in same sex marriages are just as well-adjusted and healthy as those in opposite-sex households? I suppose it will have to go back to the "God said so" argument.

john in az
tempe, az

"Wilcox cited studies that showed young men from single-parent homes were twice as likely than their two-parent peers to end up in prison, and girls whose fathers left before they turned 6 were nearly seven times more likely to become pregnant as a teenager than their two-parent family peers."

If you give a young man two Dads, does that make the young man 4 times as UNLIKELY to end up in prison?

Wilcox presentation is flawed, most of his comments stem on 1 adult role model in the home, OR two people in a uncommitted relationship.

Which means, that homosexuals in committed relationships should be just as good of parents as anyone else who wants to be a parent. And yes, I am drawing a big distinction, between WANTING to be a good parent, and some knucklehead couple who do not want to be good parents.

IF IT were not for religion, society would not have such a deep seeded aversion to homosexuals.

Ridgely
Magna, UT

Loved the part about "domesticating men" but didn't see a time line or a project completion date on that lofty goal.

I guess castigating lesbians for not wrestling with their sons, is a more attainable goal in the short term.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Ooh boy!! This article has certainly stricken a lot of nerves here. As I stated earlier, it's not fun to hear that you are living a lifestyle that is injurious to society. No one wants to hear that.

These people ARE experts who have mountains of research to back up what they say. Unfortunately for some, the research just doesn't support their alternative lifestyles as being beneficial to society. In fact, it does just the opposite.

Alternative lifestyles are not healthy for those participating in them or for society in general. Thousands of years of experience have taught us that traditional marriage and traditional families are what lead to a healthy, stable and successful society. civilizations who have chosen a different course have all crashed, burned and gone by the wayside.

I know you don't like to hear it. But it's the truth.

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