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Published: Friday, Jan. 28 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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Emajor
Ogden, UT

DJ,
I think you are getting a little ahead of yourself here. I'm not fond of Sandstrom's proposed legislation, but I doubt it will significantly harm the economy of the state. There are other more obvious problems with his proposal.

We already have an oddball reputation anyway. This is just something else to heap on the stack.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If Utah passes an Arizona style law, it deserves the fallout. I don't want that to happen. It is hard enough to get enough money for education, we are on our road to recovery. Our legislators have decisions to make, I sincerely hope they make the right ones.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

If we believe in law, then laws must be enforced. If we believe that justice is blind, then all offenders must be prosecuted.

On the other hand, if we believe that some offenders should be exempt because of the color of their skin, or because of their place of birth, or because we like them, then why have laws? Why not just admit that 'anything goes' in Utah?

We have laws for a purpose. They protect us and our property from those who neither respect us or our property.

When people enter this country illegally, they show contempt towards those who live here. They show contempt for our system when they use our schools without legally paying the taxes that support those schools. They show contempt for our hospitals when they use the emergency rooms without any intention of paying for those services. Guess who pays for those services - yes, you and me in higher insurance premiums and higher co-pays.

Without respect for our culture, there must be laws. Without enforcement of those laws, we show preference for one criminal over another.

Society cannot function when everyone decides for himself which laws he will obey.

JNA
Layton, UT

Here's another headline:

Welcome to Utah! We don't care if you break the law

Esquire
Springville, UT

@JMA, here's another headline: "OK if Utah employers break the law". Focus on those creating the jobs for undocumented labor. Sandstrom is doing no one a favor.

KM
Cedar Hills, UT

Our old slogan, "Utah the greatest snow on earth."
Our new slogan, "Utah the anything goes state."

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

I just got back from a week-long conference in Arizona. Things looked reasonably busy down there to me. And the Border Patrol presence looked about as heavy as over in Texas.

In any event, Utah needs to do what it can to get rid of illegals. The proposed bill that places penalties on not using eVerify sounds like the appropriate way to do this. If illegals can't get a job, then it should be easier for them to go home.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Sandstrom's bill is indistinguishable from the first Nuremberg race law. (Remember those old WWII movies ... "Your papez, pleez?")

Question
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How is it "Destructive"? What does the law actually destroy?

I don't know much about it so I'm seriously looking for answers.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

IT'S TIME THEY GO Utah, this sounds more like Lady Gaga's love on the rocks for ill gotten gains then it does with activist liberal compassionate citizens of Utah County, that trys to ignore any tougher legislation than Arizona and the law's of the land, for their own ill gotten gains, when two word's pop-up of illegal immigration, or, deport illegals, or call ICE. Not only that, but people from all over the world come to Utah to enjoy its beauty and associate with friendly, welcoming neighbors, then over stay their visa and don't go home either. Utah is a "melting-pot" for this type of illegal action's of breaking the law. It's now "Utah the anything goes state." They think they are above the law. They are not. They are scared to death to say papez pleez, and buy off the Border Patrol presence and ICE, with not only with destructive legislation the rest of America has to pay for, and cover it up with these illegal's are oppressed, hungry and in need and are welcome in my home hogwash. Just deport them. It's that simple. "MY-VIEW."

LOL
holladay, utah

In any predominate-leaning culture, people have the tendency to think alike, look alike, dress alike, talk alike ...
When things take too hard of a right turn a one-step-closer-to-fascism exists and the scapegoating runs rampant.
Thank God the area is more of a melting pot than some might care to believe and more and more people are speaking out against injustices including those pertaining to race.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"How is it "Destructive"? What does the law actually destroy?"

FREEDOM.

That's what it destroys.

Where in the Constitution does it give the federal government or the states rights to let policemen question people's citizenship?
Please repubs, find this for me.

Anytime we give this type of power to others it puts us on a slippery slope.

What happens next? Can they then stop anybody if their voice appears different? What if they're wearing veils or have long beards?

Do we really want racial profiling? Where does this road lead us to?

I know, and it's certainly not the free America that our dear Founding Fathers imagined. You Repub nutcakes are trampling the constitution and destroying the American dream.

Give me freedom or give me death.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LOL | 11:21 a.m.

About the, "they all think alike, look alike, dress alike, talk alike"... comment you made at 11:21.

You said...
"In any predominate-leaning culture, people have the tendency to think alike, look alike, dress alike, talk alike"...

WOW... that just sounds so laced with bigotry to me. You probably don't even realize how bigoted stuff like that sounds.

To illustrate... let me switch the target group from Mormons/Utahns... to the Black culture. There ARE communities where they are the predominate culture, right? Let's use Oakland California for example.

If you said (talking about Oakland, Compton, etc)... "They all look alike, think alike, dress alike, talk alike"... do you think you sound like a bigoted racist??? Obviously.

But just switching the target for your bigotry, generalization and stereotyping from race... to religion, or state of residence... makes it OK in your mind???

I don't agree. It's the same thing. Bigotry. Plain and simple.

It's the same bigoted thought pattern... just applied to a different group.

You seem to lecture people on the exact things YOU do.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Real Maverick | 12:13 p.m.

I didn't see "racial profiling" anywhere in the bill... Have you read it?

P.S. name calling (like "Repub nutcakes", etc)... never leads to a civil discussion of the topic. It just starts the name calling, rhetoric mongering, bickering match.

I didn't see anybody calling people names in here till you came along. Well... except LOL who sorta called us all "Racists".

Maybe we should just stick to the point, instead of calling people names.

And thanks for pointing out what it's destroying. Though I don't see how it destroys our FREEDOM.

You sound like the people who think every law they don't like is destroying their freedom.

I can't prove it WON'T destroy our Freedom... so I'll assume you are right. If it's going to destroy our freedom and the constitution... I don't want it.

Liberal Patriot
Holladay, utah

It takes an overactive imagination to pretend the modern American conservative movement (that bears no resemblance whatsoever to our father's and grandfather's brand of conservatism) is not the key player in vitriol and division.
Talk-radio pundits are making fortunes capitalizing on this.

conservOne
Salt Lake City, UT

"It takes an overactive imagination to pretend the modern American conservative movement (that bears no resemblance whatsoever to our father's and grandfather's brand of conservatism) is not the key player in vitriol and division."

Sure, Left-wingers NEVER spout death threats, insults, vitriol, etc. What planet do you live on?

We can show selective "compassion" to those chosen by the Left, and we can also throw out the rule of law completely and live in chaos. That's where we appear to be heading, anyway. The Left has been in power too long. Throw them all out.

20/20
South Jordan, UT

"Choose the Right".

If Utahns choose the right, they will support existing laws and the requisite enforcement.

If non-citizens choose the right, they will subject themselves to the proper, legal method of obtaining permission to enter this country.

Those who "choose the wrong", and those who support them, cover their actions and attitudes by shouting at those who "choose the right".

Thus it has ever been. Thus it will ever be. Derision and contempt from those in the "great and spacious building" may be loud, and they may pull many away from true principles. But this will never make their wrong into right, any more than shouting "It's dark" at noon will actually cause the sun to darken.

We're going to "obey, honor and sustain the law". If you don't want to, at least have the intellectual honesty to proclaim your intent to "disobey, dishonor, and subvert the law".

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"And thanks for pointing out what it's destroying. Though I don't see how it destroys our FREEDOM.

You sound like the people who think every law they don't like is destroying their freedom.

I can't prove it WON'T destroy our Freedom... so I'll assume you are right. If it's going to destroy our freedom and the constitution... I don't want it. "

See, many repubs rant and rave against TSA and how they force Americans to go through unnecessary processes to weed them out from terrorists.

Meanwhile, many repubs support legislation that will force many Americans to go through unnecessary processes to weed them out from illegals.

Why the double standard repubs?

See, anytime we give an agency this type of power, we're taking freedom away.

I have a little quote for you who support this type of legislation

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Ben Franklin

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Real Maverick | 3:59 p.m.

I know, I know... the Repubs out there complaining that everything they don't like is hurting their freedom and killing the Constitution are loony too.

BTW... Most Repubs don't rant against the TSA. I'm not a Rebpub, but I'm a Conservative, so I'm pretty sure you group us together... but I'm happy the TSA is there to protect me when I fly.

My position is... If you can search me when entering any Federal building (court house, office buildings, Smithsonian Museums, etc)... you dang well have the right to search people getting on planes.

Some complain that presumes everyone to be guilty.... BUNK... Is everybody entering a Smithsonian museum "Guilty"? Is every person entering a court building "guilty"?

It's just silly faux_angst if they have no problem when it's done at all these other places (Jazz games too)... and then they fall down kicking and screaming when it happens at the airport.

Patriot_Act too. I was against it when BUSH passed it AND Obama passed it.

Same for Bush's "Comprehensive Immigration Reform".

I don't change_positions based_on_the letters by the Presidents name.

LOL
holladay, utah

ConservOne sounds like he might be happier in Egypt with the rest of the anarchists who hate the government.

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