@pkiap1868Yes, you do need independents to win in Utah. As an example,
Utah County has 112000 independents, 105000 registered republicans, and 36000
registered democrats. Without the independents, the republicans would not win.
@pickaf- The Dept of Energy was established back in the 70's to make us energy
independent. That sure failed. As for the Dept of Education it takes $1.00
away from each State, launders it and returns $ 0.50 to the State with a bunch
of provisions. The other $ 0.50 goes to a bunch of Washington stooges.
@Confused- So you don't know? You could have said you didn't know rather than
blaming unions...@Ritchie- The power of the states do not and cannot
override the power of the federal government. And do you even know why the
Dept. of Energy and Dept. of Education were established?
I see a lot of sour grapes in some of the comments above, but the Gov made a lot
more sense then the stuff I heard the night before and he did it in half the
time. In case some of you folks don't get the big picture, the Federal
Government has limited powers, which they have grossly abused. Read the
Constitution and the Federalist papers. For starters Obama could abolish the
Departments of Energy and Education, because they don't belong on the Federal
level. Privatize the Post office, because they are all losers of money
laundering offices. Send the left wing tree huggers back to California.
why is that whenever someone says that the Feds did something slight of hand
(declaring lands as protected without public input) that the first thing
liberals do is point to what Bush did?Even if it is true, Two WRONGS
don't make a right.
PIkap1868"For all of you the claim that California and its politics
are "messed up", please name me on thing that makes it "messed
up"? "How about the fact that they are 460 BILLION dollars
in debt (not all caused by the illegal immigration)How about they
are paying their teachers, employees with IOU'sHow about the fact
that they are so unionized that they can't even think about covering the retired
For all of you the claim that California and its politics are "messed
up", please name me on thing that makes it "messed up"? Other
than the illegal and liberal meme... @Rox- Do you really have to
ask that question?@VST- Utah is the most Republican state in the
country. So by saying that it was mostly the Independent voters is an out-right
lie. @Rifleman- Utah in debt in the billions also, so gloating does
nothing to make your point. Furthermore, California's economy is one of the
biggest, if not the biggest, state economies in the country.
@Rox"Normal people look at Utah politics and either laugh or
cry."How do you define normal? I have a feeling I would be
glad not to fit your definition. And you want to observe some wacky politics,
look at California. Now that place is messed up.
You think so Herbert? Wait until the California illegals come pouring in for
jobs and welfare. Without strong laws passes this legislative session, they are
coming. I see the Calif plates now.
Re: other No need for Mike Lee to weigh in; DMN's resident Constitutional
scholar, Mike Richards will beat him to it.
Anyway you look at it we are in much better financial shape than our more
sophisticated neighbor on the left coast. California is $40 billion in debt and
trying to come up with new ideas to tax the working class.The day is
coming when California will ask the Federal Government to get Utah to pay our
fair share of California's debt.It must drive the liberals crazy.
What a bunch of noise. Why are most Utah politicos so odd? Who elects these
people?... the Buttars, Herberts, the absolutely inane senators and reps?Normal people look at Utah politics and either laugh or cry.
What is it these polliticans dont understand about our "Fedral Lands"
Herbert complains that there was no public input in the federal decision to
allow the BLM to protect non-wilderness designated lands,. But he overlooks the
fact that there was also no public input when Bush/Leavitt revoked these
protections several years ago. And, the lands are federal- and the federal
government has the power to protect them. Balanced management is needed-
something we never saw under Bush.And then he says he doesn't want
Utah to become a colony of DC. Does he object to the cities and counties
becoming colonies of the state legislature? I doubt it. In the news today, the
legislature is trying to engineer a state takeover of all local school districts
and possibly make the Governor the Superintendent of all state schools. Perhaps
we should change the constitution to make the Utah State Legislature take over
the powers of the US Congress. I am sure that Mike Lee, with his great and
narrow understanding of the Constitution, could find a way to justify this as
what the founders of the Constitution had intended.
The governors remarks would have been stronger if he had added the words
"and esponsibilities" each time he mentioned "states
rights". It's my thought that politicians, like the rest of us, need to
keep in mind that rights and responsibilities are mutually important. Flo
It's one thing to have some of our more right wing elected officials make
pronouncements against the federal government, but I find it down right
embarrassing for our governor to be spouting anti-federal government rhetoric.
It is particularly puzzling since Utah receives more money from the feds than we
collectively pay in federal taxes. If Mr. Herbert wants control of
federal, of federal land in Utah, is he going to reimburse Washington for the
cost of administering those lands for the last 100 years? This whole
situation is like a kid who lives in his folk's basement, whining about his
The nuclear assertion was the big surprise in the speech. We'll need to look at
Utah's water budget -- how much water is agriculture willing to spare for a
nuclear power plant?
I think the governor is jumping the gun on this article. Who and where has there
been any improvement in the economy of Utah? So far everything has been going in
reverse and headed for more losses.Losses in earmarks alone is going
to kill this state and the government can't keep handing out tax free
development to business and illegal alien employees who don't pay any taxes and
worse then poverty income jobs and call it growth. Utah hasn't even felt the
affects of national recession and dollar devaluation yet. He should not be too
anxious to lie and back himself in to a corner before the hens start laying some