@I M LDS 2 - 9:40Perhaps the LDS culture you live in is different
than the one I grew up in, but all my life, in Primary, Sunday School, Young Men
and Seminary, the message I recieved many times was, "You can be in the
world, without being of the world."In other words, there is no
way we can ever expect to live in a bubble. No matter how hard you try, filthy
entertainment is going to find you and come after you. The important
thing to remember is, instead of just saying "NO - NO - NO" to
everything, you have to seek after things you can say "YES" to. Hence
the last part of the LDS Church's 13th Article of Faith."If
there is anything viryuous, lovely or of good report or praiseworthy, we SEEK
AFTER these things."There is strong, positive entertainment out
there. It may not be easy to find, but it is out there.
I watched the show before I heard all of the negative press on it, and I WAS
FLOORED! I could not belive what I was seeing, and I couldn't believe that the
producers were promoting this as a "real" teenage drama. It was
filthy, no better word to use. I say that less that 5% of teenagers have this
kinda of a life as their "reality". I am relatively open minded about
most things, but this show left me with a sick, pit, in my stomach that comes
back every time I think about it.
You may be able to just censor the channel, and your kids may never find it. But
what about your kids' friends? I hope you know who they are and their standards
because they might be the one saying, "Hey, my favorite show is on. Let's
watch it." Believe it or not, you kids will be subjected to bad language,
drug references, sexual references, and even homosexuality just by going to
school, reading the newspaper, and hanging out with friends. Kids don't have to
seek out these things. They are a part of our world, and you can't just turn the
world off, or change the channel. I hope you know your kids' friends, and your
kids well enough that someone has the courage to say, "I'm not comfortable,
can we watch something else?" Because we've all been there, and we all know
that is one of the hardest things to say to a friend.
Ann is right - and this kind of program is doubly illegal - for its content, and
because of the fact that the "actors" are underage.
Patriot, no I don't. I want to keep programs like National Geographic Explorer,
the Smithsonian Channel, CNN, FoxNews, ESPN, CNBC, PBS even BYU TV, but they are
all bundled with MTV. I am not foolish enough to cut off my leg because my toe
hurts. The switch does just that. I don't want to be subsidizing LoGo, MTV, or
several of the other channels.That said, the internet based TV is an
interesting alternative I am using more and more.
@Tom SmithThis has nothing to do with censorship. Child pornography
is illegal in any form, whether on the internet or television.
You do UtahBlue, it is called the off switch.
This is why we need a la carte offerings from the cable companies. The
technology is there, and I really don't want one red cent of my money going to
support programming like this.There is so much of good value on
cable, it is too bad it has to be tarnished by junk like this. We need to have
the right to opt out of these channels.
This is one thing that disturbs me about the Church. We spend so much time and
rhetoric focusing our attention and the attention of our children on how
horrible, evil, wicked, and disgusting "the world" is. It is as if we
are trying to scare our children away from "the world" in the vain
hope they will be scared [back] into the Church.Think about it.
First off, that is a completely untrue, distorted view of the world. Democracy
covers the earth more than ever before in human history. Health and welfare
around the globe is better than ever in history. Despite the problems we face,
which are not to be trivialized, on the whole, the children of God are far more
healthy, prosperous, happy, and righteous than ever before.Despite
what paranoid commenters write, most LDS kids probably didnt even know about
Skins. Mine didnt until they read Deseret News. Perhaps I should shut off all
access to Deseret Media?A distorted and disproportionate
overreaction to things like this is what promotes fear, distrust, anxiety,
isolation and arrogance among the Saints. That isnt healthy or right
Mom With A Mission,You wrote: "What ridiculous comments! Saying
that if you don't allow something in your own home, your kids will just seek it
out in other places is ludicrous!"Why is that ridiculous? It
is true."If you allow it in your home, you are just condoning
it. People use the same stupid argument about under age drinking."I have read my own comments and the comments of others, and none of them I
could find suggest what you are accusing them of.Please tell us, who
on these comments has written anything close to: "I forbid you to watch
this trash," then making it accessible to them?I will try to
repeat my point. I never condoned anything. I merely pointed out that you cannot
possibly restrict your children enough to keep them away from this stuff. That
doesn't mean I watch "Skins" for FHE!I also pointed out
that children are harmed by paranoid parents who honestly believe we live in
"the complicated mess of a society we live in."That
promotes anxiety, fear, distrust, and paranoia. And it is not true.
"Societies" around the globe are better than ever in history!
What ridiculous comments! Saying that if you don't allow something in your own
home, your kids will just seek it out in other places is ludicrous! Perhaps they
will see it other places, but the little voice in the back of their mind will be
constantly nagging at them that it is wrong, and their parents have forbidden
it. They will probably feel, at the very least, guilt. If you allow it in your
home, you are just condoning it. People use the same stupid argument about under
age drinking. What nonsense! It is our responsibility as parents to set
guidelines, and to follow those guidelines with our own actions. Saying "I
forbid you to watch this trash, then making it accessible to them is a double
standard, and is very confusing for teens who are still trying to figure out how
to navigate the complicated mess of a society we live in. Get a backbone, set
some rules, and stand by them!
To Tom Smith:Back off of America! It happens throughout the world.
Freedom of Choice is a great blessing. If you feel America is the problem,
there's many other countries that would take you in.
So this television program is going to be legally censored while the internet is
saturated with porn. Good old American values!
"Besides, who are you to think you have the final say, at all, on what is
moral and not."A tax-paying American citizen, who last time I
checked, had the right to vote and participate in the democrat process. That's
"You must listen to far too much conservative talk radio if you think your
comment was clever."I actually can't stand talk radio. Hence my
acknowledgement that conservatives don't have a monopoly on morality.And if you don't beleive in subsidizing immoral behavior, would you support
drug tests for welfare recipients? Would you support the elimination of all
federal funding for abortions? Would you support a cap on how much assistance
you can to support children born out of wedlock?
Umm, if it is illegal for someone to have pictures of naked teenagers on their
computer, it is equally illegal for MTV to broadcast video of naked teens. This
is not rocket science. ANYONE who supports this in anyway is sick and
completely without morals, plain and simple.
I am one of the people who has actually watched the show and yes I am one who
would have not known anything about it except I read the Dnews online! I find it
ironic that a church owned newspaper would be giving free advertising to such a
bad show. By bad I mean it is very distasteful,and it is stupid. Too bad the
Dnews promoted such a thing. Maybe next time you could find something more
positive to say about teens. (Take a few lessons from one of your own
three11stu | 12:27 p.m. Jan. 25, 2011 Saratoga Springs, UT "...somebody saying that they know a movie is bad ONLY because it is
rated R is not doing their job as parents....Parents, make decisions for
yourself, and don't let the government tell you what is good for your
"Conservatives don't have a monopoly on morality."No, they
don't. But at least they don't support abortion and subsidizing immoral
behavior. Zing!Good heavens, Independent, you think that you got a
Zing! in there? You must listen to far too much conservative talk radio if you
think your comment was clever. By the way (and, yes, I am giving
your comment way too much credibility by responding to it) supporting abortion
is about supporting a woman's freedom, and making sure that government (or
religion, or you) will not have control over her body. It's her body, not your
property. You (nor the government) have no right to walk into the doctors office
with her if she doesn't want you there, no matter how much you may want to.And what immoral behavior can you possibly imagine Democrats subsidize?
Besides, who are you to think you have the final say, at all, on what is moral
and not. For some of you others, you do realize that this is not the
first time underage sex and drug use has been portrayed in the media, right? Not
by a long shot. Good heavens.
Penguin Inc, believe it or not, some Democrats have standards too.
Let's have a "block the show" campaign - and have the responsibility
to "block" all shows that we may think are even a "little"
What about the garbage on Channel 13 -- Fox. The "conservative"
station.Or what about Two and a Half Men on Channel 4. I stopped
watching Channel 4 news because of ads for that crud that accompany their news
broadcasts.My TV is pretty much locked on Channel 7.But
then, I really am . . . . and old man. (Sigh)
My shorts are in a wad because it is people like LVIS who think that movies are
the only thing that comes with ratings. TV, Music, and Video games all
have ratings. Just because it is there doesn't mean that your children have to
watch it. By somebody saying that they know a movie is bad ONLY because it is
rated R is not doing their job as parents. This show comes on at night, and
carries a TV MA rating. Parents, make decisions for yourself, and don't
let the government tell you what is good for your children.
what is causing so much of my frustration is with the choices of writers,
producers, actors. satan wants to win this generation over so they are weak. he
is winning as long as we allow this in our homes. for example the video
'firecracker' from perry pushes homosexual acceptance. parents need to be strong
and show their children what is right and wrong with the world. my youngest
believes that homosexual and lesbians are making good choices. gads, i am so
sick to my stomach over this. HOLD TO THE ROD, HOLD ONTO YOUR CHILDREN ! do not
believe that byu students all make right choices. so many there are from lds
families with NO standards
three11stu | 11:02 a.m. Jan. 25, 2011 Saratoga Springs, UT To LVIS:
Really, the TV show doesn't come with a rating? Last I saw, it is rated TV MA.
If that is not a rating for you, then I don't know what is. I get
his/her point--that all anyone in Utah preaches is 'don't go to R-rated' movies.
If it's broadcast on TV, then it must be ok. Don't get your shorts in a wad. And, his/her overall point is made. It's simply a response to 'bikerdog'
claim that there must be some sort of hypocrisy going on in this thread.
Hutterite"Look, a long time before this stuff is racy or bad or
raunchy or whatever other euphemism we try to use on it, it's bad. Real bad. We
need to watch it for that reason firs, and so do our kids."By
that rational, we should smoke pot with our kids and go binge drinking with our
kids before passing judgement. And then, if our kids like it, we should be
Where's the "outrage" over Jersey Shore? That "show" is
reality based, allegedly, unlike Skins.
To Seek,Your paranoia and fear-mongering about "the world"
will do more damage to your children and their ability to work well in society
than most anything else.Good luck with that.My 5
children are turning out just fine. I let them decide. They don't need me
playing policeman and big brother and watching over their shoulders and
restricting their access to everything as if they are helpless. They know what
is right and wrong and they choose accordingly, and it is working great!No paranoia or fear-mongering necessary!
Thanks, DN.I will check it out so I can judge the show myself.
@Jase of Ace - that would be why they are being investigated for producing child
porn? This isn't a Utah prude thing - this is violating federal law. You know,
the kind that get you sent to federal prison for a decade or more...
You know, the really funny thing is, this show's been airing on BBC America for
years and nobody noticed it. I don't know if the "Americanized"
version is so much to talk about--what few moments I saw of the original were
full of teen angst and less skin than the advertising leads you to believe.
("Skins," as any golfer will tell you, isn't about nakedness.)Will we be watching it at our house? No--wrong demographic. But will it be
talked about now that morally-uppity activists have elevated it to the public's
consciousness? Certainly. So, thanks for not letting the show die a quiet death.
By making it controversial, you've given it NYPD Blue status--a must see for
There is a difference between teaching correct values and letting your children
choose and facilitating inappropriate things coming into your home. This is why we don't have cable in my home. Just like why we don't have
certain magazines in my home either. It is NOT a matter of
controlling my children but rather providing them with a good home environment
-- which is my job as a parent after all.
To LVIS: Really, the TV show doesn't come with a rating? Last I saw, it is rated
TV MA. If that is not a rating for you, then I don't know what is.
Oh take your prudish opinions and hit the off button if you dont like it.
bikerdog | 9:38 a.m. Jan. 25, 2011 North Ogden, Utah "There is
not one complaint like all of the above, when a Chain Saw Massacre Movie is
advertised in this newspaper. What does that say to all you people?"Well, not much, really. First, people do compain. Second, if it were an
article on the movie, there would be, I'm sure, plenty of posted comments.
Third, the movie comes with a rating. The TV show does not. Fourth, people will
generally watch a movie one time. A TV show is repeated every week.
Eh, I guess I'll have to watch it to see what all thus fuss is about. And to all you parents out there worried that this show is going to destroy
your kids lives if they happen to catch an episode of it (or even, it seems, an
advertisement for it, good heavens!) relax, your kids will be just fine, they
will survive (goodness, of course they will). No need to scare them with
fantasies of the devil. They will be just fine if you love them, and talk with
them, and spend time with them, and realize they are intelligent and good. I shudder to think of some the blow outs that would happen if some
parents found out their child had watched this series (this is the devils work!
This will turn you into a sex crazed drug addict! The horror!) the screeching,
and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Oh my. No, no, I hope that most
of you are far better parents. This series is not the end of civilization as we
know it. And things really aren't that bad out there. Relax. Teach your children
well, and know they love you.
"Conservatives don't have a monopoly on morality."No, they
don't. But at least they don't support abortion and subsidizing immoral
I caught about 1 minute of this show last night while channel surfing. If you
ever need something to completely destroy your confidence in humanity...
This is just the begining.
There is not one complaint like all of the above, when a Chain Saw Massacre
Movie is advertised in this newspaper. What does that say to all you
I'm not sure what's more disturbing, that the makers of this show (presumable
mature, supposedly responsible adults) didn't, at some point, stop and say,
"Hey, this is really exploitative and maybe even wrong. Let's not do
this," or that there are people out there (as seen by a few postings here)
that see nothing wrong with teenagers destroying themselves and being filmed
while doing it.I'm truly stunned. And I hope such behavior and
attitudes will always stun me. God help me if I ever can justify any of this
kind of behavior.
I M LDS 2 | 5:38 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011 Provo, UT "The only hope
parents have is to recognize that when YOU get fanatic about such things, you
send a message to your kids that 1) they lack the ability to make wise decisions
without you looking over their shoulders (if you don't trust them, why should
they trust themselves?)"They are kids. And what they don't know
about life, decisions, and consequences could fill volumes. As a parent, you
better be looking over their shoulders. "Just chill out and let
your children live THEIR lives. Their lives are not YOUR lives to live for them!
Your obsessive, controlling demeanor toward them is doing more harm than
good."Yes. Of course. That's why teen suicide rates are up.
That's why teen drug use is up. That's why teen pregnancy rates are up. That's
why schools are so much safer today than a generation ago. That's why we have
more school shootings today. All because parents today are obsessive and
controlling. Yeah, right.
I thought Penguin's comment was funny.
Penguin that was a cheap shot and uncalled for. ADvertisers not sponsoring is
the right thing to do. Ignore it, I suspect it will soon be cancelled.
I've never had cable tv and probably never will. I have better things to do
with my money and time.
"Your kids will just go somewhere else and watch it."Not
likely. We do teach our values, not just lock them up. We've got our TV
blocked, you can't watch anything worse than PG without entering the parent
code. And, we know where our kids are, who they are with, and what they will be
doing, and when they are expected home, at all times. They know what's out
there, why it's bad, and have been taught tools to get themselves out of bad
situations. And they've internalized good values. THEY complain about it if
they see commercials for stuff like this. They expect us to keep them safe, and
not just physically.It is possible to raise good kids. Even with a
TV in the house.
This is so far over the line, it is time to move the line back. The
Supreme Court's definition of porn includes a reference to "community
standard." That just doesn't work any more. One person's PG is another
person's R. To be safe from offensive material we might once have chosen to
move to a place with higher standards. That no longer lets us escape modern
media. A "community" is no longer a town, broadcasting region. My
"community" is now those I text to and those I have friended in
facebook--not necessarily the guy next door. Yet we all share exposure to the
to the same broadcast and internet media. How can the old definition of
"community standard" do anything but force us all to be exposed to the
lowest common denominator?Also, "adult entertainment" does
not mean "appropriate for adults." I am an adult, and I find
"adult entertainment" repulsive and destructive. This show, if it is
anything close to what is described above, is going to promote addiction and be
responsible for more crimes against children. That is reality. That is not
Teach your children what is right and wrong.Let it be re-inforced at
Church.Talk openly with them.Do all you can to be home when they are
home.Don't blame others, even a TV station.You are responsible to
teach your kids.They are responsible for their choices.Be Happy.
Have Faith. Quit complaining.
If the FCC or Attorney General doesn't step in and DO something about the
"entertainment" material that is circulating over the cables and
satellites, then why have any regulations at all?The language and subject
matter that is being promoted as "mainstream" isn't really mainstream
until it's broadcast to 100s of millions of people over the airwaves. Culture, class, and modesty have been hijacked for pure "shock"
tactics. The quick attention getter -- look at me -- and then it's no longer
shocking until someone one ups the next guy and so on and so on. Our society is
really going downhill much faster than ever before.
Don't blame the messenger when reporters tell us about the filth permeating our
culture. Based on the turnout for the first episode, it sounds like plenty of
kids have already heard about this show. Hopefully this article will inform
parents about the depths MTV continues to plumb.
if you don't like it-change the channel. oh, that,s right, KSL won't even
broadcast Saturday Night Live...guess that's what You-Tube is for...
Well, you sure have given the show plenty of free publicity. I am sure many more
kids will hear about it now and tune in. Isn't this lesson ever learned?
This is par for the course for MTV, I don't think this surprises anyone. If you
don't want your kids to watch it then just block it on your TV.
Lets see, I started watching R rated movies when I was about 15, listened to
movies with parental advisory on them, and watched MTV growing up. And I still
do those things now, and I am almost 30. Am I messed up? No. I haven't gotten
any girls pregnant (besides my wife), haven't robbed a bank, or shot and killed
anybody. The reason is my parents did teach me what was right and wrong,
and I am able to process what I was watching and listening to. As other posters
have said, my parents blocked MTV, so we just went somewhere and watched. And
just because the show is on late at night doesn't mean anything, as people will
just DVR it. Honestly, I had no intention of watching this show, but
decided to see what all the complaining is about. It is filth, but the acting
and story-line of it is horrible. If your children have any good taste, they
can find better things to watch.
"When I was raising my kids and they wanted to watch MTV, I told them it
was Satan's Station."Good heavens. No wonder some kids are so
I wish I had a list of every business that advertizes on MTV for any show. The
public can shut down MTV if they refuse to support businesses that advertize on
MTV. Where can I get a list?
No offense to anyone. I don't watch the show. In fact, if you have MTV, you
have the ability to block any station you desire. It takes two minutes to do.
I think I blocked MTV on all four of my Directv receivers in less than five
RE: ChristyIt was just a little joke. Even if it WAS cheap. Sorry.
Just a little mirth.
Why is nobody metioning Glee here? When I was young there was not even an adult
show as bad as Glee is.Childrens shows now can be worse than adult shows
when I was growing up.Glee is really bad! How can any good parent tell
there children it is ok? It is full of content not appropriate for any child and
I wont even watch anything that bad as an adult. I do not watch TV shows
with sexual content and themes about gender confussion. Which means I never
watch television anymore.Whatever happened to great action shows like
MacGuyver,A-Team,and Renegade? I loved TV when I was a child. Now it is
just Reality TV and filth I have no desire to watch!
Trust me, your kids already know about this show. And if your kids are
teenagers, they'll find a way to watch it whether you block it or not. Try as
you might to shelter your children from the world, they'll find it. Your best
bet as a parent is to teach them right from wrong, and give them a good moral
compass to guide them with. Putting them in a bubble so they'll never see how
ugly the world is will only result in their failure in life, and yours as a
Good luck to the parents who are promoting "teach them, then let them
choose". If you aren't going to be equally agressive as the promoters of
this filth, you will most likely find your child enduring pain that they didn't
want or need and that has lasting, and sometimes lifelong consequences.I realize that the world is really a scary place for us to raise children in -
and that sometimes it is so scary that the response is "have faith - teach
them and then let them decide" but unfortunately I believe you will find
that parents of minor children must be much more aggressive than this in order
to protect their children from real harm.Teaching them, and letting
them decide, works great for things that are not life changing or dangerous, and
for children who are becoming adults (age 18+). But the purveyors of filth are
AGGRESSIVELY working to TRICK you and your kids into their hands. You better be
just as aggressive or they will take their casualties in the form of your
childrens' peace, happiness and wellbeing.
ya gezz penguin get it right. democrats cant afford cable/dish, you know that.
My next Sunday school lesson is going to be on "free agency and how to
enforce it." (sarcasm...) We need to be involved enough to know what our
kids are doing, but trust them enough to do what we teach them, and then let
them exercise their agency. Will some make mistakes? You bet. And
is that hard for parents to watch, when they know what the child is doing is
wrong and will only bring pain? Of course. But that's what our Heavenly Father
does with us, every single day. Let's follow His parenting example.
I imagine the parents television council people are apoplectic over this one.
Look, a long time before this stuff is racy or bad or raunchy or whatever other
euphemism we try to use on it, it's bad. Real bad. We need to watch it for that
reason firs, and so do our kids. If your kids want to watch, you might have some
issues to work through with them. If you're paying 1200 bucks a year so they can
watch it...recession? What recession? I like my digital peasantvision. If it's
not on that, we don't watch.
Wow, that a reputable newspaper should be posting a headline like this is
amazing. Boosting your own sagging circulation by your own style of
sensationalism? What a shame. And the suggestion by a reader that the kids
will find a Democratic household to watch it if it is cut off at (the
Republican?) home. Too much. I know that you have been advertising
"values" reporting, but really. Why not just report the news? I
don't have cable, but you now have me curious enough to look for a Democrat to
let me watch his.
It is not possible for any parent to ensure their kids cannot get access to this
show. Kids have friends, their friends have freinds, and even if you shut off
your cable, those friends have it.The only hope parents have is to
recognize that when YOU get fanatic about such things, you send a message to
your kids that 1) they lack the ability to make wise decisions without you
looking over their shoulders (if you don't trust them, why should they trust
themselves?), and 2) these things are more important (and therefore possibly
more alluring) than they otherwise might suppose.Just chill out and
let your children live THEIR lives. Their lives are not YOUR lives to live for
them! Your obsessive, controlling demeanor toward them is doing more harm than
When I was raising my kids and they wanted to watch MTV, I told them it was
Satan's Station. Trash has become so pervasive in our society with or without
cable/dish. Problem is there are some parents who are afraid of offending their
kids - that's where the problem lies most of the time.
Kill your television! The other TV shows aren't that much better than this
Who lets thier children watch MTV at all?
Penguin, such a cheap shot.This is one Liberal Democrat who will be
having a discussion with her daughter about this trashy show. That's all it is
-- trash. I don't want her becoming desensitized to it.I have much
more conservative friends who don't have any problem with their kids watching
South Park, or playing Grand Theft Auto, or listening to CDs with Parental
Advisory Warnings on them. My kids know those things are not acceptable to me.
Most sexually explicit and profanity laced PG-13 movies should be rated R as
far as I'm concerned. Conservatives don't have a monopoly on
I understand what some of you are saying about cutting the cable and dish. Some
of this stuff is just downright trash!!!!!!!!!!! I do not have cable or dish...
but I saw an add for this on the internet! So just because you do not have
TV/cable/dish you are still not safe. You need to have controls on your internet
This is pretty simple, if you trust your kids, talk to them about it, let them
know what standards decent society has, if you don't trust your kids dish and
cable services have a parental locking feature that is pretty effective.
At some point parents have to be willing to make some sacrifices and start
turning off the TV. If you don't have cable, you can't watch the program. From
what I have seen parents are too unwilling to stop watching our own
"favorite" shows. Some how we have all bought into this idea that we
must have cable, or dish or something. I will admit it was hard for me to at
first to not have all those channels, but as some point that choice has to be
made. Take charge of what comes in your home, and save yourself a hundred
dollars a month.
Don't you realize you've probably given this show the absolute best advertising
it could have possibly received? Just look at the headline. Kids who didn't even
know about it are going to be dying to see this show. Kids with no MTV will be
staying late at their Democrat friends' houses to see it. Oh great.
I was forced to delete some pictures taken of our young children on the subway
from our recent NYC trip because ads for this show were seen in the shot. What
a disgusting place we live in that will condone and accept such awful behavior.