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  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    wildscallions | 1:38 a.m. Jan. 26, 2011
    Springville, Utah
    can i please point out that utah was still invited to the 16 team power conference...
    ===

    Which is why it was reported that Utah would not get in if they went that way, and Colorado was invited, but Utah was not until it appeared that there was no other option?

    Geez, kids, line up the facts.

  • Sammyg2 springville, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    texas texas tech oklahoma oklahoma st colorado and utah

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    wildscallions | 1:38 a.m. Jan. 26, 2011
    Springville, Utah
    can i please point out that utah was still invited to the 16 team power conference...
    ===

    Which is why it was reported that Utah would not get in if they went that way, and Colorado was invited, but Utah was not until it appeared that there was no other option?

    Geez, kids, line up the facts.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Uteology | 7:24 p.m. Jan. 25, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas
    @Buster

    No, here's how ESPN shows it:

    TEAM.........CONF......OVR
    TCU..........8-0.......13-0
    Utah.........7-1.......10-3
    Air Force....5-3.......9-4
    SDSU.........5-3.......9-4
    BYU..........5-3.......7-6

    ===

    I understand your frustration. When facts don't line up, you need to resort to misdirection (Buster?), and pulling in misinformation.

    There was a three way tie for third in the MWC.

    My stats come from the MWC site.

    So, no, at 7-6, BYU tied for third in conference, because that is how conferences work.

    Why can't you just deal with reality?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Uteology | 7:24 p.m. Jan. 25, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas
    @Buster

    No, here's how ESPN shows it:

    TEAM.........CONF......OVR
    TCU..........8-0.......13-0
    Utah.........7-1.......10-3
    Air Force....5-3.......9-4
    SDSU.........5-3.......9-4
    BYU..........5-3.......7-6

    ===

    I understand your frustration. When facts don't line up, you need to resort to misdirection (Buster?), and pulling in misinformation.

    There was a three way tie for third in the MWC.

    My stats come from the MWC site.

    So, no, at 7-6, BYU tied for third in conference, because that is how conferences work.

    Why can't you just deal with reality?

  • wildscallions springville, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 1:38 a.m.

    can i please point out that utah was still invited to the 16 team power conference so regardless we have always been wanted by the pac so sorry for byu that they had to settle for independence hoping one day for an invite somewhere else good luch in the wcc

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    @dknight68

    Is that the best you can do? That was barely even legible. Sounds like you should request a refund on that university of utah education.

    LOL

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 25, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    @Buster

    No, here's how ESPN shows it:

    TEAM.........CONF......OVR
    TCU..........8-0.......13-0
    Utah.........7-1.......10-3
    Air Force....5-3.......9-4
    SDSU.........5-3.......9-4
    BYU..........5-3.......7-6

    I can only assume that ESPN doesn't think a 7-6 teams is better than a 9-4 team. If they were equal I would assume they would be in alphabetical order, but their not.

    So, yes at 7-6 you were the 5th best team in the MWC.

    I hope you go to more games then you have user names.

  • dknight68 Ogden, ut
    Jan. 25, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    @duckhunter
    From the level of insight in your posts I doubt you were around to see the 1984 championship year if you were you are a bigger embarrassment than I thought, you said a few days ago that Mormon Utes should be embarrassed by our fellow Utes but the truth is I am embarrassed by my fellow Mormons who call themselves cougars and post vile things on these pages, people such as yourself. Now to talk football you laugh endlessly at the Utes but the truth is your beloved Cougars lost to the Utes in fact they had 2 wins against teams with a winning record Utah had 4 including the y-ners. They start the season next year playing 5 winning teams, I think you can pencil those in as losses unless of course your alumni are in the replay booth, oh right they fired him!! As far as recruiting the last 5 years 2 or 3 out of the top 5 in Utah went to the pac 10 this year 4 out of the top 5 but they all committed to Utah. Sucks to be you! As for championships when we get ours we will have earned it.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Uteology | 7:57 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas

    "SO why do you, a fan of the 5th place MWC team care what happens to Utah."
    ===

    Three teams tied for third place.

    San Diego State 5-3 .625
    Air Force 5-3 .625
    BYU 5-3 .625

    Been following sports long?

    When we mention that you use false logic, and selective stats, this is what is meant.

    Enjoy...

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    Uteology | 7:57 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas

    SO why do you, a fan of the 5th place MWC team care what happens to Utah.
    ===

    Because I go to the games.

    What's the weather like in Fort Worth?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 24, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    @Ducky

    You had an easier time winning a NC then making a BCS game. Go figure!

    Enjoy the 84' championship and let the big boys compete for real NC, in a real title game.

    Go UTES!!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 24, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    @Buster

    Utah will not do better in the PAC, than they did in the MWC unless the PAC is worse than the MWC.

    -----------

    Think for a second.

    Do you agree that the MWC is better then the old WAC?

    Yes?

    Then how was Utah, a horrible WAC team, able to be one of the top teams in the MWC?

    Could it be better coaching? Better recruits?

    Ahhh... yea consider your schooled.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    @uteology

    BYU already has a National Championship in football. I'd love to see them do it again but they've already been there and done that. We don't have to hope it might happen some day because it already has happened.

    @uu32

    1st season of independence and to tell you the truth the schedule isn't that bad. There are a couple of good teams (texas and ucf) a couple of decent teams (oregon st. and mississippi) a mediocre one (utah) and some average to below average ones.

    Not much worse than a MWC schedule we have seen the last decade. Of course it is already getting better in future years as BYU has deals with Texas, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Georgia Tech and quite a few other great teams already shceduled. We will unfortunately have to play a bottom of the pac utah team each year but we schedule teams like that to pad our record a little bit.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @UU32

    Always humored by those that criticize a hastily put together first season for the Cougars. Everyone knows the challenges of putting together these schedules at short notice.

    I would not worry so much about BYU bub. Utes and Colorado were 'plan B' for the PAC-10. Remember they had grand plans for a 16 team super conference and it didn't happen.

    6/6 or 7/5 forever at best. Viva Las Vegas!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    Duckhunter, You are correct that it will be tough for the Utes to win consistently in the PAC and that it could be a long year for the Utes next year.

    But BYU's season will be very short -- Mississippi, Texas, Utah and UCF. After that only Oregon State. Everything else is pretty pathetic. I am sure at this time next year you will be talking about the great 9-4 season the Cougs had and how they improved so much by the end of the year because they won 6 straight to end the year, including a record breaking bowl game performance by Heaps against Western Michigan in the Little Ceasar's Bowl in Detroit.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    Keep telling yourself that uteology but the truth is utah will seldom even win 8 games. That is the high water mark for utah going forward. Those sorts of records will leave res an empty wasteland with all of the utah "fans" latching onto whoever is doing the best at the time.

    LOL

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 24, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    @Veritas Aequitas (Buster)

    Pick a user name and stick with it.

    SO why do you, a fan of the 5th place MWC team care what happens to Utah. Shouldn't you worry more about the lack of talent in your 2011 class and no experience with your new coaches?

    If Utah has a 0.02% chance at a NC then I guess then the probability of BYU winning is even worse since they haven't gone undefeated in 26 years.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 24, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    GACougar | 1:39 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011

    Someone please tell me how they are going to better compete in the PAC than they did in the MWC.

    -------

    Here's two reasons:

    A) Utah is starting to get better recruits, class rankings over the last decade went from around 80s to now 30s. Top talent from the state usually went to PAC-10 schools, in 2011 Utah took 4 of the top 5.

    B) Utah has started to develop more NFL talent, we became the best mid-major behind TCU over the last decade.

    Now I think you would agree that IF those trends continues then Utah will be able to compete in the PAC-12.

    Even if we win 8 games playing a PAC-12 schedule you have to admit it is much, much satisfying then winning 10 to 11 wins playing mostly a WAC schedule.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    @Veritas

    Well I suppose .02 is twice as likely as .01 but it still means it will never happen. Also I think you are off in your assesment of 7th place in the pac10 for the utes. That would mean there are 5 teams worse than they are and I just don't see it. I can only think of 2 that I would consider to be worse than them next year, colorado and washington state, and to be honest with you it wouldn't shock me if they lose to washington state.

    I think that at best they finish 9th, and only that high if they beat ucla who I think they will be on par with. Those two teams should battle it out for 9th-10th. The rest are all decidedly better than utah will be.

    That isn't a knock on the mwc conference either because I don't think they would finish any higher than 6th-7th in that conference either if they were still in it next year. Boise, TCU, BYU, Nevada, SDSU, Air Force and maybe even Fresno would be better than utah will be next year.

    Looooong year for ute "fans". LOL

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    Do you want to know something Hedgehog?

    Between Utah's colapse from #5 to unranked in the AP, and BYU being a national power in footall and basketball (football --top 25 4 of the past 5 years, and also recieving votes just like Utah this year-- And we all know about basketball...), it gives you something to do, and keeps you off the streets...

    My advice, watch KWhitt and Dr. Chow rebuild Utah football into a consistent team.

    And keep posting. It's just that many more cars with hubcaps....

    Fun to be had for all.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    ute chute:
    Also, you said, "Welcome to the PAC, the U of Wannabe's!!!"

    Don't you have to be in the PAC to welcome somebody in the PAC? Sounds like you are the "wannabe".
    .............

    ute-chute | 5:45 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011
    Beverly Hills, CA
    .............

    Yes, Sir...

    Welcome, wannbe. Prove something here, then post...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Utah Utes football: Norm Chow eager for new opportunity...

    ... too bad there's little to work with!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    hedgehog | 5:54 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "(whoever chose Hedgehog as a posting name? Come on...)"
    Veritas Aequitas.

    ===

    It's latin for "Truth Justice". (see "Boondock Saints")

    You are welcome to use either concept when you post... I know the concept is foreign to you, but google truth, it will add to your "street cred"...

    I am open to sharing the concepts with you, babe.

    Feel free to use either....

    But, as long as you post the biased misinformation under hedgehog (A defense that all species of hedgehogs possess is the ability to roll into a tight ball, causing all of the spines to point outwards. However, its effectiveness depends on the number of spines, and since some of the desert hedgehogs evolved to carry less weight, they are much more likely to try to run away and sometimes even attack the intruder, trying to ram into the intruder with its spines, and rolling as a last resort.)

    It's all on you kid, spines and all...

    ... good day.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    ute chute is still jealous that Utah beat BYU this year. It's obvious from his posts.
    Scoreboard: 17-16
    2 out of 3
    6 out of 9

    Also, you said, "Welcome to the PAC, the U of Wannabe's!!!"

    Don't you have to be in the PAC to welcome somebody in the PAC? Sounds like you are the "wannabe".

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 24, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    "(whoever chose Hedgehog as a posting name? Come on...)"
    Veritas Aequitas.

    maybe I can borrow on of your several posting names? You know, when you need to change you view point or agree with your other handles.

    Pretty sad.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 24, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    Chow is a fossil.

    Utes would hire anyone at this point to bring the program respectability.

    Went from fifth to unranked in the AP last year? Wow, we are so scared of the Utes and their bird mascot.

    What a pathetic joke.

    (Class way to handle your current OC's. At least Rick showed the guy the door).

    No new talent to choose from? Where is the next Urban Meyer? Were you excited to pick this guy up at the coaching DI?

    Come on, this is serious football, and you grab the guy getting fired by UCLA?

    Even Rick N. didn't want the incopentent ego that couldn't get through the door.

    Pay his salary for us...

    Thanks for picking up our leftovers off the curb, and paying us for the priveledge...

    Welcome to the PAC, the U of Wannabe's!!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Sorry, I do disagree with you.

    Utah has a much better of winning a NC than when they were with the MWC, and if you are honest with yourself, you will agree...

    Utah has gone from .01% chance of winning a NC to a .02% chance.

    Honestly, winning a NC out of the MWC will never happen, without a perfect storm, a lightning strike, and Craig Thompson shaving his head, all in line with the stars, and Chris B. and Hedgehog becoming HUGE BYU fans...

    Now, it can happen, without Chris B and Hedgehog (whoever chose Hedgehog as a posting name? Come on...) becoming BYU fans... (Thank you Larry Scott)...

    What Dr. Chow brings Utah is the necessary knowledge not to be embarrased in the PAC-12.

    This is not a slam, but what I feel is an honest assessment. I do not see Utah in the contest for less than seventh in the PAC, and at best, the Vegas Bowl... But at least now Utah is in competition for the Vegas Bowl bid...

    Without that push... They would be Boylen's Basketball team.

    (Disregard Dutchman... Too much bias)

    Agreed Dutchy?

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    uh patriot...Chow still owns a home in provo and returns often. I'd advise you to think before you post but you are a utah fan so it makes little difference.

    Also whittingham doesn't "hate" BYU, that is also laughable nonsense. He keeps a BYU helmet in his office at Utah. He had it on display in that rivalry documentary on pbs a couple of months ago.

    I attended hs with his brothers and know them personally.

    The "hate" in the rivalry is really only a product of the fans then it is mostly just from the ute "fans". BYU fans play along a bit because most of you guys are so classless but in truth most of us care very little about utah and once they slip into pac10 mediocrity and you "fans" crawl back under your rocks we'll go back to ignoring them just like we did for 30 years.

    LOL

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Correction

    It wasn't only 2 of USC national championships that were split/ties it was actually 6 of them. So in reality they have been clear cut champs 4 times. Still a great accomplishment but not quite as good. Also of the 3 NT's the PAC10 has "won" in the last 20 years 2 of those were split. Washington's in '91 and USC's in '03 which they split with LSU who won the one you covet (BCS) while USC was relegated to not even playing in the bcs title game and simply got the AP anti bcs vote.

    In otherwords the bcs has very little respect for the pac10 so your "clear line to the national championship" is even more funny in light of those facts.

    Keep dreaming but that is something BYU has that utah will never have. Ever. LOL

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    @dutchman and kh

    I knew what you said dutchman. Sure the pac 10 is a bcs conference but the university of utah will never win a national championship in football. It will never happen. The fact you seem to think they will is laughable. How many teams in the pac 10 have actually won a national championship in the history of college football? Let me fill you in.

    California in 1916
    Stanford in 1920
    Washington split one with Miami in 1991
    USC has won 10 of them (although 2 of them were ties)

    In otherwords other than USC (most of those were 50+ years ago)and the tie for Washington, none have won one in 100 years.

    So go ahead and dream but the truth is utah has no more of a chance of winning one now than they ever did.

    They will never win one.

    LOL at the assertion that they will.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Chow hates the Y just like Whitingham does. Not that it is any big deal but when he got turned down for the head coach job after Edwards left he hasn't set foot in Provo again except on the opposite side line. No surprise he went to the U. No better way to stick it to your old employer than to try and bring him down.

  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    I agree Chow is a huge pick up for the U. He will be an asset in both offensive schemes and recruiting. However I do not think we will see his influence until 2-4 years down the road.

    Coming in next season Norm Chow has very little to work with. Especially since the cornerstone of his offense is a talented passing Qb. Every great season Chow had at BYU and USC was anchored by a great QB. His list of pupils includes Steve Young, Philip Rivers, and Robbie Bosco, as well as Heisman Trophy winners Ty Detmer, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart.

    The U simply does not have a QB that can run a Norm Chow offense. They also are lacking experience in the receiving corp and will likely be starting a freshman RB. The only real bright spot I see for Chow in 2011 is the O-line, which is looking solid.

    In the next 2-4 years Chow's recruiting and experience will show up in the program. Expect great things in the future.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    To restate what Veritas Aequitas wrote, I think both O.C. hires are good for both teams. If you are honest with yourself, you would know that age 64 is not all that old for a coach. It's a good age for the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, and it is a good age for any coach with a track record of success. I personally don't know how any OC could work under Rick Neuheisel, and the situation in Tennessee was anything but ideal. Chow will do just fine at Utah and the program will be better off because of it (as will Aaron Roderick, who will have a great mentor).

    Brandon Doman will do just fine at BYU. Sure he's young, but coaching is a balance among knowledge, character, personality, and communication ability. Obviously Doman possesses the latter three in abundance, and with his experience, the knowledge is not bad, either.

    Let's keep in mind that the BYU fans that were pining for Chow a decade ago are probably different individuals than those that are ridiculing him now. Let's not assume that everyone in a single fan base feels the same.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    So. CalReader,

    I was comparing coaches in general not by position. Many pundits claim that a coach (again generally speaking) are past their time and then they end up somewhere else and do great. That is the nature of the industry. I believe Chow will succeed at Utah because he is back in an environment that will support him and let him do what he does best and that is coach offensive football.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Come on, we need to get serious.

    Dr. Chow is a great pickup for the U. He knows the PAC, and can help Utah revamp their offense. I for one think he deserves a little respect. The pettiness sounds a little whiney.

    He is a much better asset to Utah heading into the PAC. DuPaix is great for BYU.

    Both schools are getting out of the same sandbox, and going to be running in different circles.

    Allow each program to improve. It will make watching local TV just that more fun to watch.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 24, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    So cal reader.

    It was, but I put it in there because it was in the time frame you had mentioned.

    I understand people thinking that the game may have passed him by, but if that is the only concern people can come up with, I'll take it. People were saying that about Sloan 5 years ago, and even though the Jazz are struggling right now, I think he has shown the game hasn't passed him by.

    Obviously as a Utah fan, I'll put as good an outlook on it as I can, but, I really do think it is a great get for Utah. I'll take the potential of him adding stability to the staff, being a mentor for our young coaches and tapping into his experience to get the most out of the players on the team over an unproven commodity anyday.

    I'm a fan of Roderick, but I don't think he is ready for OC duties to get the team over the top. I don't think anyone can come in and wipe away all offensive struggles, but I think Chow gives Utah the best chance to be great.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    "The point is that a state school should in no way promote or demote any religion. It is not the role of the school to improve the world view point on anything other than the school."

    I am not trying to provoke an argument I just need to point out that the University of Utah has a chair to fund scholarly research of "Mormon Studies" as do some other Universities. From the web site it is known as George S. and Dolores Doré Eccles Foundation Fellowship in Mormon Studies

    The first of its kind in the nation, the Tanner Humanities Center's Mormon Studies fellowship provides a doctoral student funds to spend a year researching the history, beliefs, and culture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) and its members.

    Do you call this promoting religion? I do not know.

    GACougar,
    You did not factor in future recruiting which is already improving with the PAC 12. Utah is out recruiting Arizona, Arizona St, Oregon St and UCLA.

    The Hailstorm,
    BYU is not in Rival's top 50 rankings.

    So. Cal

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Jan. 24, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    pocyUte2 re: Vince Young NFL ROY.

    Good point, but that was 5 years ago, and I think more on natural talent

    Dutchman re: "Here is a short list of coaches who others said the game has passed them by:"
    Charlie Wiess now at Florida (54 years old)
    Steve Spurrier now at So. Carolina (65 years old and a head coach; not an OC)
    Gary Crowton now at Maryland (53 years old)
    John Knox now at Denver Broncos (who? Do you mean John Fox? If so, he's a defensive-minded coach; not offensive)
    Mike Shanahan now at Washington Redskins (58 years old & what has he done lately?)
    Robert Anae now at Arizona Wildcats (52 years old)

    Ute fans are living in a pipe dream about Chow.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Where is the Y ranked ?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I said Chow had a direct line to a national title at USC (2) via the PAC 10 and now has the same direct line at Utah via the PAC 12. Understand now? Chow may not be at Utah long enough to see a national championship but when it happens Utah fans will make sure you know about it since the Utah County newspapers won't print anything.

    MoodyBlue77,

    Actually, Utah went from #31 on Rivals to #39 over the weekend because Utah still has 18 commits same as last Friday and many of the others now have 25 commits. It has nothing to do with Chow. As Utah finishes up their recruiting and gets to the 25 number or higher you will see the ranking go up.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Norm Chow is a great addition - especially given that the Utes don't lose B. Johnson or A. Rod (assuming that is the way it plays out). Dutchman is correct in pointing out that age and experience does not mean the game has passed them by. UCLA didn't work out because Rick N. forced Chow to turn to the Pistol offense and the butted heads thereafter.

    I do recall at the Y people were calling for Edwards and Chow's heads there near the end of their run. Then after two years under Crowton everyone was screaming to bring back the glory years. I even remember a number of my Y fan friends calling for a Chow hire. All of the sudden because the U hires Chow, "the game has passed him by". It is funny really.

    If Bronco had hired Chow to mentor Doman for the next 5 years Y fans would be loving it.

    Hopefully this translates to a bit of a jumpstart for the Utes in PAC. Definitely not the favorites to head to the Rose Bowl this year, but it helps for the future.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    TJ said: Like it or not there are many players at Utah who are good, active members of the LDS church and who represent themselves with the same standards as the "sunday school boys". (I love that nickname by the way. Thank you to whomever used it first.) The name Utah will always be synonymous with the LDS church. If you think this will ever change your dreaming."

    But that is not the point. The point is that a state school should in no way promote or demote any religion. It is not the role of the school to improve the world view point on anything other than the school. The fact that a good chunk of the students are LDS is irrelevant to the point that someone was trying to make earlier, which was that he hoped the hiring of Chow would bring more attention to the LDS church.

    Utah will always be associated with the LDS church, but as more and more people are exposed to the state, they will realize that there is more to offer here than just the LDS church.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    Jan. 24, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    "I think the Pac-10 is obviously a whole different deal. I think top to bottom is what makes the difference," Chow said. "The Pac-10 top to bottom, there are awfully good teams with awfully talented players and talented coaches . . ."

    And that is what should concern all Yoot followers. The Yoots, under the leadership of Whittingham, placed 1st in the mighty MWC just once in six tries. They placed 2nd in the mighty MWC just once in the other five tries. The other four years they were 3rd or worse. And that was in the MWC.

    Someone please tell me how they are going to better compete in the PAC than they did in the MWC.

    The Yoots should be very afraid for the future. While they may surprise us, their history in the MWC says they may not.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter, the PAC 12 conference does have a direct line to the National Championship. As shown by Utah, TCU, and Boise State twice each, going undefeated in a non-bcs league will not earn you a trip to the National Championship. However, Oregon in the PAC made it.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Hey Duckhunter, wasn't Oregon in the National Championship this year? Don't look now but everyone is laughing at YOU!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    @dutchman

    "A direct line to a national championship via the pac 12 conference."

    Bwaaahaaahaaaaahaaaa Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaa Bwaaahaaahaaa...

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    The adjustment at offensive coordinator has dropped the Utes from having the number 30 recruiting class down to #39. It's a risk you take when you make changes. Spread offense players can smell the changes coming.

    On the other hand, this should be Harvey Langi's dream come true. Coach Chow should be able to make him a great NFL prospect by combining his power running with plenty of chances to catch short passes out of the backfield.

    I expect Langi and Christopher to be the biggest winners in all this. Maybe Jordan Wynn--but we know he's very fragile.

    Utes must find another QB. Maybe the kid from Utah County can learn fast in spring ball.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    "Being in the PAC could even work against Utah when it comes to recruiting LDS kids when they realize what their conference represents"-TJ

    highly unlikely.

    This nonsense of "this could affect recruiting negatively" or "this could be huge for recruiting" is just getting out of control. Utah will continue to get solid athletes to their program. BYU will continue to get solid athletes to their program. Just give it a rest.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    "In my humble opinion, the game has passed by him."
    I am glad that you are humble. Here is a short list of coaches who others said the game has passed them by:
    Charlie Wiess now at Florida
    Steve Spurrier now at So. Carolina
    Gary Crowton now at Maryland
    John Knox now at Denver Broncos
    Mike Shanahan now at Washington Redskins
    Robert Anae now at Arizona Wildcats
    I believe Chow is finding himself at Utah in the exact situation he had at USC. A successful run by the way with two national titles. This is why the Utah situation is attractive to him and why for him it replicates USC:
    A head coach who is a defensive guru and wants him to run the offense.
    An offensive line coach he worked with at USC now at Utah.
    A QB coach who is young and was himself a QB like he had at USC.
    An incoming four star freshman running back he can mold into the system.
    A direct line to a national championship via the PAC 12 conference.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    "The name Utah will always be synonymous with the LDS church. If you think this will ever change your dreaming"

    TJ,
    Change is coming. And the postive "exposure" will even help BYU.

  • FlyingUte Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Why don't the Cougars worry about the Cougars and the Utes will worry about the Pac-12, Rose Bowls and National titles! Great hire for Utah and an excellent opportunity for Roderick, Schramm & Johnson to get some big time tudoring. About the comments of the game getting past Chow....yeah and Joe Pa and Bear Bryant and Lavell Edwards. Go Utes!!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Gov't and hedge
    Like it or not there are many players at Utah who are good, active members of the LDS church and who represent themselves with the same standards as the "sunday school boys". (I love that nickname by the way. Thank you to whomever used it first.) The name Utah will always be synonymous with the LDS church. If you think this will ever change your dreaming. Go be a Cal or Oregan fan if you want the majority of your peer group to be liberals with lower moral values. Being in the PAC could even work against Utah when it comes to recruiting LDS kids when they realize what their conference represents.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Don't fool yourself people. Norm Chow is a brilliant tactician. Utah will be well served by him. You will see their offense improve as well as the play of Jordan Wynn. He was my coach for 4 years. He knows his stuff.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 24, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    so. cal reader.

    I'd say helping Vince Young with Rookie of the Year was pretty good.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Jan. 24, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Good for Utah! As a Cougs fan, I'm glad he's with them! Please tell me one positive impact of his last two OC jobs-- for the Titans (NFL) and at UCLA. Can someone right a story about how the game has passed up Chow? I honestly don't see how he can still be claimed as an offensive force. In my humble opinion, the game has passed by him.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    "The Utah fans sure seemed a lot more concerned for the O staff at BYU when Bronco used a much more professional and OPEN process for shuffling his O Staff."

    Are you kidding? Humiliating your entire offensive staff by publicly forcing them to resign and reapply for their jobs and then going on a two week vacation to Mexico is not the more professional way of doing things. What school of management did you attend? The Mao Institute?

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Anae's teams in the past six years scored more points, gained more yards, and won more games than Chow's. Arizona is just fine. He got run out of Provo just like Norm Chow did.

    But, really, what could be more intriguing and spark more fan interest than to have Coach Chow come back? He's always been our kind of guy: audacious, tough, intelligent (Dr. Norm Chow), driven, ambitious, a winner, a Utahan.

    There will be plenty of sparks flying out of the coaching staff. Something to write about and fight about all the time.

    And Utah will quit playing a gimmick offense and get back to playing real football.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    AZ_True_Blue,

    First Lavelle Edwards (Utah State) and then Norm Chow (Utah). You had Utah State and Utah running your program for 28 of its most successful years. Sounds like you still envy those years. By the way, how do Arizona Fans feel about Arizona hiring Robert Anae as the offensive coordinator vs Utah getting Norm Chow as its offensive coordinator? Just wondering.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    "I hope it helps the U represent ... the Mormons better."

    Alaskan Coug,

    You're self centered and just don't get it. I assure you Utah will continue to distant themselves from such a statement.

    UofU has no religious affiliation and nor should it.

    Do you care how the U represents the Catholics? How about the Jews, Baptists? Of course not. No religious agenda at this school.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Roderick was offered a coaching Job at BYU- He declined.

    Roderick was offered a demotion as the WR coaching job at Utah - he accepted.

    Roderick played at BYU.

    Just saying....

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    AZ_True_Blue envy of what? a 7-6 record and never getting to a BCS bowl game and being a mid major independent; yeah sure.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    First Kyle, now Chow...if there was any doubt, it is now erased the Yewts have big time Cougar envy.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Why should the U represent the mormons better? it is a state school and should not represent any religion whatsoever. That is BYU's role, not the University of Utah. People chaning their impression of Utah and its people will be a biproduce of more exposure, but if anything it will dispell a lot of misconceptions about the state being a completely mormon state and people will realize there is more to the place than the LDS church. Besides, if someone is relying on athletics/sports to get an impression of a religion, they are missing the point.

  • Alaskan Coug Anchorage, AK
    Jan. 24, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    Good move for the Utes. I hope it helps the U represent the State of Utah and the Mormons better. I am so surprised that there is no big shout of concern for the current OC's and this very unprofessional process for replacing them. The Utah fans sure seemed a lot more concerned for the O staff at BYU when Bronco used a much more professional and OPEN process for shuffling his O Staff.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    " It is what it is "-- Coach Chow--
    If I were Brian Johnson , or for that matter, any member of the football coaches, players, or recruits I would be delighted as all get out to work with Norm Chow--even if it were only a few years.
    If you had an interest in writing detective stories and mysteries would you jump at the chance of working with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ? If you were a painter and could study with Rembrandt or Matisse wouldn't you love to learn from these masters?
    Perhaps you're a NASCAR fan and could go a few laps with Dale Earnhardt Jr. would you get behind the wheel?
    This, to me , is a great accomplishment and honor for the University of Utah to be able to pick the brain of a man who understands college football offenses and defenses. How many untold hours has Chow spent in the film room grooming to this day ?
    When he returns to his Alma Mater, all of those involved with the Utes will be so much better off by having him home and wanting to be where he is.
    I wish him the very best.
    Go Utes !!!!!

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    True Wazzup...he does seem to run that way.

    That being said, it will be fun to have him back in the state. He got a bum wrap for a couple years where recruiting left him little to work with. For Ute fans, you are about to get introduced to the delayed draw up the middle. haha Quarterback is in the shotgun, ball snaps, both running backs are...oh heck, I don't need to describe it to you, you'll see it soon enough. Over and over again. haha

    I'm happy he is at Utah. He is a class act and solid coordinator. I think the best possible aspect of his hire is he may get you a bump in relationships for PAC12 recruiting. While you can now put that on the resume but it is still about relationships. I'm sure he can help in that area.

    I think you will struggle this year but I bet you win 3 or 4 PAC12 games. I hope you do better, and of course I think you lose in Provo.

    Go BYU!

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    He may not have hard feelings towards UCLA, but he definitely has some hard feelings against BYU who gave him a job and resume for 27 years. Too bad he can't drop that!