It will be interesting to see what the Utes do with the two other OC's.Roderick rejected an offer from Bronco earlier this week. Hoping he sticks
around, Chow could really teach him a thing or two.I'm sure UCLA and
USC are not happy about this. Talk about having first hand knowledge of your
competition.Big Get for the Utes!!
It will be awesome to see him carve up the unathletic defense that little
brother puts on the field.
Big time programs hire big time coaches.Non AQ programs hire
unproven commodities and hope for the best.It's the natural order of
What a great pickup by the Utes. Mendenhall gets Dupaix and elevates Doman,
while Whittingham adds Tim Davis and Norm Chow. In terms of experience and
know-how it's night and day. Big advantage to Utah.
Glad to have Chow and though I admire your devotion to the Utes Hedghog and
Chris B., please don't bring BYU into as it has nothing to do with them accept
he used to be the OC their (a long long time ago). To me doing so is sinking to
their level as they tend to obsess about all things Utah. We're moving on, no
reason to look in the rearview mirror, PAC 12 should be our only concern now.
I'm very interested to understand what type of offense Chow will run. I say
this because the Utes just had a visit (today) from Mike Eubank - 4 star
dual-threat QB. He's 6'5 220 4.7.Why would they bring in a dual
threat 4 star ( with several big name offers) if they plan on the pro style
I think Chow is a great hire for the Utes. He will bring a lot of experience to
an already energetic coaching staff. Let's hope he still has some innovation in
him and can pass it along to the younger coaches.Also, it's
interesting how the comments of the previous "fans" focus on how this
hire will affect BYU. I don't think any BYU fans are losing sleep over this
hire. The last time a Chow offense went to Provo they put up exactly 0 points
against that "unathletic defense". It's apparent, even after all the
changes the past year, that Utah will still judge the success of their season by
how well they do against BYU. Little brother indeed.
To Rock: Amen, my friend. This is about Utah and the future of Utah football
in the PAC 12. Like the hire and looking forward to next year. Go Utes.
Nice last time the Cougars played Norm's team the final score was 59-0 advantage
BYU. Oh Ya with Max as the QB!I expect more of the same starting
washed up has been. good luck with that ute fans...
Isn't it amazing how someone has to try and tear down someone else to give them
a superiority feeling. Psychologist's say small minded, insecure people do that.
This is a great selection for Utah. Time will tell if he still has
What is with Utah taking all of BYU's former players and coaches?Could it be a long history of success vs. two good years?Anyway I
know Norm and his family. Good people.It will be interesting to see
how this all plays out.
I wish Chow well and that is a hard one because I wish the yewts failure. And
that is only because of their fans. Max Hall spoke the truth about them.
It will be good to have Norm back. We can now have a great offense to go with
the defense that has done so well for so many years. This will really help with
PAC-12 recruiting as well.
Didn't BYU fire him? And he ran the worst offense in the country last year.
Why is this a big get for the Utes? They just picked up yesterday's news and
think it's the future. And, of course, without fail, yet again, etc,
etc, Hedgehog, Chris B and Howard continue to prove, day in and out (although
Chris B actually posted a somewhat thoughtful comment after BYU beat Utah in
basketball, but apparently that was a fleeting moment) that Max Hall, no matter
if he starts in the NFL or ends up selling phones in the mall, was correct.
Hey, JoeSchmoe, rivalry banter is great, but don't you think it is a bit of a
stretch to say Utah has had only "two good years?" If you mean the
2004 and 2008 undefeated seasons as Utah's "two good years," then BYU
has had exactly one "good year" in its entire history, and that was 26
years ago. No, sir: 9 of the last 10 bowl games and two undefeated seasons and
several 9-win seasons along with 2010's 10-win season all count as "good
years." So do all of BYU's 10-win seasons and other good years. Gotta give
credit where credit is due, amigo.
Cougarblew,Psychologist's also have a term that discribes the TDS
very wellSeparation anxiety: is a developmental stage during which
the child experiences anxiety when separated from the primary caregiver.TDS fans are witness to the seperation:Head to head 2-3 and
6-9BCS bowl wins 2. tds 0Recruiting..... child
please.And now a NATIONALLY respected OC hire.I know it
hurts but the process was put into play when the Utes and not the tds were
invited to the Conference of Champions.
Awesome!! PAC 12!! BCS!! Norm Chow!! Go Utes!!
@DCUtah hiring Norm Chow is "yesterday's news" (to quote
you), yet your first thought was to come over here and post about it?Your insecurity is showing.
Welcome home coach!To the BYU fan wellwishers I say thank you, and
good luck to you.To the BYU fans spewing their venom I say, would
you rather go into the season with one of the all time greats and veteran OC
like Chow, or into the season with someone who has never been an OC in his life?
Speaking from experience, I will take the former. I'm not saying
Doman, or Roderick or Schramm won't be good at some point in time, but there is
something to be said for experience.
The best way to describe this get for Utah is epic win concentrate.
HedgHog - How do you know Eubank visited this weekend? According to Rivals he's
committed to AZ St and doesn't even list Utah as a choice.
Too bad that Cougar fans can't be gracious enough to offer a simple congrats to
the Utes for landing an offensive legend.Sad....
While Cougars fans are busy being twitterpated by Jimmer the Utes are quietly
putting together a monster football staff and a major college recruiting class.
ManbearpigIt's been reported by mulitple recruiting sites (including
rivals) that Eubank made the visit.Utah brought him in when Derrick
Brown decided to visit Washington
And to DC and Mohokat, you prove that all you can do, along with Max, is make
sweeping generalizations. Are you choosing to disregard the intelligent
comments from Ute fans, or so blinded by hatred that you actually miss them?
Please, do tell. Maybe if you stay on your own teams' blogs that this wouldn't
be an issue. And if you complain about Ute fans that go on your boards, than
you're just lowering yourself to their level. If you come to our boards, show
some class, as Max referred to it, and say something nice. Whatever happened to
the golden rule anyway? And to all the BYU fans saying nice things, I give a
heartfelt thank you. I still want my team to beat yours to a pulp, but thank
you, I have nothing against you as a fan or person. God bless.
Congratulations?I'm surprised someone has not said predictable
offense and leftovers in the same sentence.
Too bad for Norm that he doesn't have any athletes to coach next year. And a
very mediocre QB.
Cool....now all he needs is a QB!McMahon hasn't graduated from
college yet...sign him up...what are you waiting for Rice Bowlers!!
Strange move for Chow, he must have been on his way out at UCLA anyway. I'm
wondering how he could think that a mediocre future with a bad offense is a good
move, unless he plans to retire soon. And Utah seems very willing to play with
bigger money for coaches. Strange move indeed.
Congrats to Norm Chow, legend that he is. It will be interesting to see his
contribution to the offense. Kyle will put his all of Chow's talents to work.
To the Ute Fans. Why is BYU even brought up in this blog. They
have nothing in the article. Give the boys in blue a rest!
Eubanks did visit Utah this weekend and he is currently a soft commit to ASU
right now. He is also planning on visiting UW
BYU's recruiting class is horrific. A bunch of guys with single offers. How can
you expect to win and go to a BCS bowl as an Independent with avg. talent coming
I wish him well, as a Cougarfan. But, I am hoping that his lack of success over
the past three years has to do with the knuckle head he was working for, and not
because the game outgrew him.
I think Chow is a great acquisition and a great fit for Utah. He was getting a
half million/yr at UCLA, You think Utah is at least matching that? Anybody know?
hedgehog | 6:09 p.m. Jan. 22, 2011 Ann Arbor, MIWhy would they
bring in a dual threat 4 star ( with several big name offers) if they plan on
the pro style offense??----------Let's see... BYU ran a
pro-style offense with Chow as coach back when they had a dual-threat guy named
Steve Young as their QB... I think Norm will do fine, I wish him
and the Utes good luck... 51 weeks a year
I am a big ute fan, and wondering why the offense fell off the map the last 4
games of last year. Maybe, they heard rumors in early November that Utah had a
chance to get Chow if all the pieces of the puzzle fell together? If that is
true, the offensive coaches threw in the towel. That would explain the drop
off. Roderick has probably been offered the recievers job if Chow came. That
is why he turned down the TDS. Would you accept a position under Doman or Chow?
I just want to get something right here. I heard the story of Aaron Roderick
being offered in the other paper and thought it a little fishy. So I checked
into it deeper. No offer was made to Roderick. He was invited to interview
when word that Chow was being sought came out. He was one of many LDS coaches
approached and asked if he wanted to interview. He said he was not interested
at the time. Nothing more. He was an employee at Utah and still is at this
time. Nothing more. Let's not spread the rumor/claim further.
Rock Of The MarneThe irony of you telling Hedgehog and Chris B.
about "fans" who obsess on their opponents made me laugh out loud!
Welcome home Coach Chow!!
Not sure if this will help the UTES but I did like Norm when he was at BYU. Good
luck and hope it helps the offensive problems that were lacking at the end of
the season. Only time will tell.
Win/win/win/win. Great for Norm as the article explains, great for UCLA, great
for Utah, great for BYU. Rarely does something happen like this where everyone
This is a good move by Whittingham. BYU Salt Lake ( Utah) will really benefit
from Chow's knowledge and recuriting ability.Neuheisel is so over
rated as a coach. I bet his contract doesnt get renewed at UCLA. He might even
be let go next year if they have another year like this past year.Congrats also on Utah basketball turnaround. It looks like a average year will
keep the current coach in place.
eh tu brute?actually at this point i prefer doman, who although
unproven, is on his way up. chow has seen better days, mostly at
byu/usc. still wish him luck though, even if it is the u.
I wish coach Chow, the best but honestly, Ute fans crack me up! Howard S. are
you kidding me? Did you forget Chow came from BYU? As long as he has great
players, he does great. Last year? Not so much. Chris B. I hope Chow helps
the Utes carve up BYU's defense just like he did the last time he went up
against them. Let's see, what was that final score again? 59-0 even with those
superior PAC whatever they are now athletes.
Chow is a good offensive mind; as the pac 10 knows. I'm not sure he has evolved
with the game enough over the years. I'm sure Lavelle could hang out in the
"calling booth" and let them know a thing or two as to what Chow is
thinking. Get over yourselves already; Swoop and Coug fans. This game is still
fun in spite of you.
BYU Salt Lake???That is some funny stuff. So you want to claim Chow
is a Cougar because he Coached at BYU and at the same time you want to claim
Whit, Roderick and Sitake as Cougars since they played at BYU, even though then
have spent more time on the sidlines at Utah than they did at BYU. Add to this
that Whit and Roderick both had opportunities to Coach at the Y and decided to
stay at the U. Can't have it both ways folks, but perhaps they all
know BYU is a sinking ship and want to get on the bus to the Conference of
Champions. Just so we are clear, BJ, Scalley and Davis our new
O-Line coach all played at the U as did Chow. Simple math would tell you the
majority are in fact Utes. And by the way...Scoreboard in the
following; 17-16, 2 out of 3, 6 out of 9, conference affiliation Coaching and
This is fantastic news!! I can't wait for next season to begin. What I don't
understand is why so many Zoobs are commenting on this article?? Keep trying to
convince yourselves that Doman is an upgrade to Anae I guess.Chow's
Pac 10 experience will prove invaluable next season and is a tremendous upgrade
to the coaching staff.
It's kind of interesting it takes alot of former BYU Coaches and players to keep
Utah a winning program! I hear Crowton is available! Chow is overrated. Look at
the offensive stats at UCLA the past few years and they have great athletes. I
can't believe Kyle is going to dump the spread offense that got him to 2 BSC
bowl games! Good Luck!
I am very excited for Norm. He is a class act and I'm sure he will be happier
at Utah than he was at UCLA.For the delusional Utah fans (hedge and
chris b) who think he will carve up the BYU D, may I take you back to 2008 which
was the last time BYU played a Norm Chow offense. The score of that epic match
against UCLA was 59 - 0. Maybe your definition of carving up is different than
mine.And for you who like statistics, I suggest you look beyond your
2 BCS wins for solice. The last time I checked, the objective is to win a
championship. That statistic is still BYU - 1 National Championship, Utah -
0.I do think it's interesting that BYU and Utah each won 3 MWC
football championships plus we shared one. However, if you look more broadly at
the nine major sports both schools compete in since the MWC was formed - BYU has
won 51 mens championships, Utah has won 13. PAC may claim to be the
conference of champions, but those stats reveal who is the shool of champions.
Question, why is this board overrun with BYU fans and their 1/2 cent? Why not
just worry about your team? Obsession comes to mind as an apt word to describe
many Y fans on these boards when it comes to Utah.
"Question, why is this board overrun with BYU fans...?"Simple answer that even you should be able to figure out pebble.Norm Chow coached at BYU for 27 years! Norm was a great coach in
his time for BYU and I'm sure he'll be able to help the Utes improve their
offense. It's just too bad he doesn't have much to work with at QB.
UCLA year in and year out have better athletes and Chow couldn't get a winning
season out of his defense in 3 years. But I am glad he found his
home again. Wish him success until he plays BYU. He will bring some needed
maturity to Utah's offense.And BYU fans will be just fine with Doman
as OC. His finest days are ahead of him. Chow's may be behind him. We'll see.
Glad he joined the Swoops and at the same time the announcement made that
season ticket prices will increase along with student fees. Brilliant move!
I still think that Norm was a success at BYU because he was on the cutting edge
with something new and because he had Lavell E. He is now just another OC
peddling the same thing as 100 other guys. He will have success if he has good
skill players, if he doesn't have them Ute offenses will struggle. I wish him
success and would love to see him do well in the PAC. Most Ute fans I know are
pretty classy. Most of those who are not post here. Sad to say there are several
fans from the other shcool who do the same. You people are like yappy little
dogs always barking at cars. The cars don't stop but the yapping continues.
Re: Chris BYou mean the same unathletic defense that held the Utes
to 17 points?Last time Norm Chow tried to outscheme Bronco, the
result was 59-0. (See BYU-UCLA 2008).Aside from the unnecessary
shots at BYU, this is a good pickup for Utah. As BYU continues to get better
athletes on defense, and Utah's offensive scheming improves, the rivalry should
continue to be competitive.
Great pick up! The experience of playing in the PAC-10 alone makes this a great
move. A-Rod and Shrum now can learn from one of the best in college football if
they choose to stay.Its funny how BYU fans call Norm a has been yet
the best their program can do is DuPaix. @BluCougThe last time BYU beat Utah by more than 7 points was when Norm Chow was at
BYU, so keep dreaming. Oh wait that was also the last time BYU was relevant on
the national stage (see 1996 for details).Go UTES!!
Three of the last five, daggers to the heart, Uteology!But, keep on
spinning if it makes you feel better about yourself.It'll be
interesting to see how Chow's offense functions without a QB.
B Doman will innovate circles around N Chow. One expensive whoops.Goog
luck Utah in the PAC 12.
Just as with Coach Whit, any true blue Cougar fan who knows the Y's wishes
nothing but the best for Chow (& Whit). Your contributions were terrific and
we have no doubt that you will continue to succeed. I live far from my alma
mater and have no particular rooting interest in Utah but I will always follow
ex-coogs and classy one's at that. All the best to Chow, Whit and the team.
Welcome Norm! We look forward to a great offense.
Chow will bring an offense that will better compliment the Ute D. We play a
professional style D that prepares the defensive players for immediate impact in
the NFL, while our O has been lagging behind with reliance on one or two players
succeeding in a great coaching scheme. With a more professional
style O, the Utes will develop their offensive players better for the NFL and
will eventually lead to recruitng more talented players.And Chow's
salary will be public record as he is now a state employee. GO UTES
and welcome Norm!
I'm not so sure about this move....
Why didn't BYU let Norm become the head coach with Lavell retired? Anyone?
I have always loved Norm Chow. Go luck to the U in the PAC and Norm Chow. I
wish you well in every football game, but one :) Several co-workers
are from NC ST and USC and, of course, they all love Norm Chow as much as I
do.I have always thought Norm Chow blossomed at NC ST and USC over
BYU because he had better athletes at those schools to work with. The U
generally gets better athletes than BYU, so I am thinking that trend will
continue. I just think UCLA was far enough down that they were rebuilding from
scratch, so it took that long. Good luck and best wishes. BTW, I had a soft spot for UCLA since Norm Chow was on staff, but now
that he is gone, I can go back to disliking all things around Rick Neuheisal. I
am not a Slick Rick fan. I sitll hold a grudge for what he did to Colorado when
I lived there. Every program he leads turns to ashes.
Norm could have been head coach at a Div 1 school. A Whit/Chow team will be a
real fun power to watch.
Could be a sweet time for Coach Chow to come to Utah and beat the Cougars a few
times at the end of his career. Still, this seems to me to be a strange hiring
by the U. I would have expected a younger coach with an up and coming resume to
relate to today's atheletes. The recruiting at UCLA has been dismal for the
past three years and especially this year. Perhaps, that is more indicative of
respect for the head coach than for Coach Chow, but it is still a concern.
Anyway, good luck Coach Chow.
Makes you wonder why Norm Chow has never been a HC? Makes you wonder why he has
been spotty as an OC?Maybe it was a matter of what he was expected
to do where.I'm sure Kyle understands the reasons, and will place
Chow in a position that they will use his strengths.As far as his
knowledge of the other PAC teams, his knowledge in that area will help the U.Great PICKUP here. There is no arguing that point.===Uteology | 1:53 a.m. Jan. 23, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas "Its funny how BYU fans call Norm a has been yet the best their program
can do is DuPaix."bradleyc | 5:57 a.m. Jan. 23, 2011 Layton, UT "B Doman will innovate circles around N Chow."The childish "my brother is bigger arguments" are getting
tired and old in this rivalry.Dupaix is a solid coach with ties to
the state, and comes from an indie school.Both are great pickups for
their schools as both schools head off in their respective directions...Good luck coach Chow. Love what you did for BYU.
Will the Utes change their offense? Norm's not a spread offense guy.Will the offense be pro-style? Will it attract quarterbacks who want to play
in the NFL?Will the Utes have to recruit tight ends?Will
it be a pass-first offense?At Norm's last 2 stops, he did not have a
single winning season.All these questions will be answered in spring
ball. Good luck to the Utes as they move into uncharted waters.
As stated by Coach Neuheisel at UCLA:"I've been looking to try
and put back together what I feel will be a formidable staff," Neuheisel
said. "One that will communicate with the players, one who will do a great
job out recruiting and sharing the vision of UCLA and our football program and
one that will get along really, really well with one another and check egos at
the door. And we will fly as we go down the road. So I'm looking forward to if
that can't be the case."Now that Chow is with the Utes, will he
"check" his ego in at the door, or will he continue his once every 2
or 3 year stints at each of his stops along the way in the past 10 years? not
seeing eye to eye w/ the bosses he has worked under since he ran out of Provo
pouting, after LaVell ended his tenure? Is it just me, or is this an unsettling
trend here? 27 years at BYU, followed 5 others in the last 10yrs? Could it be
exactly how his now former boss put it??? How long will he last here?
Fun Stuff. If the Cougs got Norm back they would be besides themselves with
MichiganCoog,Chow is almost 65 years old. He is here to help the
Utes transition into a BCS confernce and mentor the offensive coaches.I'm sure his tenure is no more than 2 or 3 years.It's a very smart
hire for several reasons.Mabye Heaps's publicist will be Domans
This is on a whole new level of Y STUIDITY. Are you belittling Chow and saying
he's a has been when he is known as an offense Guru in football? And now your
trying to beef up Brandon Doman as this next great OFF coordinator? DOMAN is
unproven same with that guy from Navy or whatever.Your not gonna have more
strategy on the field come Saturdays with two unproven Coordinators.
UtahGal | 1:07 p.m. Jan. 23, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Fun Stuff. If
the Cougs got Norm back they would be besides themselves with Glee ===It's my understanding that Chow inquired at BYU, and was asked not to
re: hedgehog | 6:09 p.m. Jan. 22, 2011 "I'm very interested to
understand what type of offense Chow will run"I am too. Will
the pistol be incorporated. Whit IMO should let Norm do his thing. Part of UCLA's problem is that Neuheisel thinks he's knows what he's doing.
"hedge hoggs | 2:01 p.m. Beverly Hills, CA UtahGal | 1:07 p.m.
Salt Lake City, UT Fun Stuff. If the Cougs got Norm back they would
be besides themselves with Glee""It's my understanding
that Chow inquired at BYU, and was asked not to apply."===========Even if Chow did apply at BYU, he would be bringing the BYU offense to
BYU. What good would that really do?BYU needs fresh ideas a twist to
the offense.Utah needs an overhall. Kyle knows a good offense when
he sees it. If Chow can't check his ego at the door, Kyle will show the door to
Chow, after picking his brain.I'm not so sure that Chow had that
many options anyway. I'm sure Chow comes in with his ego already checked.K-Whitt needs someone that knows the PAC-10 teams, and this a a very
good hire for Utah.I'm glad they got him.
Howard S. | 5:56 p.m. Jan. 22, 2011 Taylorsville, UT Big time
programs hire big time coaches...............So taking
the cast-offs from a weak UCLA program is now considered a "big-time"
move?SAHHH-WEEEEETTT!!!Go Utes...We're now
"Big Time"...Any other fired coaches from failing programs
we can pick-up?
this is a good get for the utes because chow's body of work should bring a
little stability to an offense that struggled big time down the stretch.
WOW, there are quite a number of bitter cougar fans obsessed with the Utes.
Hedgehog forgot to mention BYU has owned the u since 1970 and it still has a NC
while the u has zero. He also forgot his signature statement...crickets,
crickets,cricketsNice job on getting Norm, I think he'll enjoy being
back in Utah.
You can thank Norm CHow for putting BYU on the map. Now you belittle the guy?
How skewed you BYU fans are. And then you try to sell dominance with 2 unproven
coord.'s? LOL good luck with that! Texas is going to lay the smack down on you
so bad next fall.
you'll be sorry!
If it weren't for their Cougar Connection, the Utes would not have any coaches!
All I see is class envy from both BYU and Ute fans. This has nothing to do with
class envy anymore. Both teams have gone their separate ways, lets get over it
already. As a BYU fan I am happy for the Utes to get a guy like Norm Chow, I
think he will be awesome at the U, and wish him and the ute fans alot of good
luck. Just kinda wish we didn't have a guy who cannot park his ego at the door,
and hires such crap as BYU did......Just sayin', but in the immortal words of
someone named Bronco,,,,,I am uneducated to ever even second guess his
decisions.....Enough said! Good luck Utes in the Pac 12, I don't believe it is a
case of class envy, as much as a jealousy of having a HC that is willing to
check in his ego at the door.........unlike Bronco, and who in their right mind
can truely argue? That's exactly why we at BYU will never get a BCS bid, we lack
the head coach and the assistants to get there.
Uh wwookie, you and pebbles post in every single BYU article then hypocritically
make statements about BYU fans posting in ute articles. You are both a couple of
trolls but whining about BYU fans doing the same thing you two spend all your
time doing is incredibly hilarious.While it is true ute
"fans" don't have any credibility anyway it doesn't help your cause to
be a hypocrite.LOL
Good luck, Coach Chow. This is another BYU alum who appreciates what you did
for the Cougars, and wishes you success in your new job.
Cool, I would love to see the Utes dominate the PAC-12. Norm has a great
history, and under a great coach like Whittingham I think they will do well.
Hopefully BYU's newbies also shine. It would be awesome to see two consitiently
strong football teams representing the Beehive state.
@ UteologyI know my history ute! Thats why I brought up the Norm
Chow reference stating the last time they played Norm.With Bronco's
defense they way they smacked around the utes for 3 quarters this last game and
the complex of Norm's offense will lead to a BYU crushing the utes. Heaps will
slice the the utes up like swiss cheese. (See details of 2008 BYU vs. UCLA
game)The 1996 BYU team crushed the utes with defense while the
Cougars run wild like a leaky faucet through the utes D. Passing was a none
factor that day.
Hey '90sCoug, Chow played football at Utah, got his Bachelors degree at Utah,
his Masters at Utah and then his Doctorate at BYU and all of the sudden he is
only a BYU alum?
BlucougThat's all you got is 2008 BYU vs UCLA, 1996 and 3 quarters
of 2010? lolBottom line, Kwhitt is still the coach and makes the
ultimate decision. What Coach Chow will bring without a doubt is recruiting,
recruiting, recruiting and knowledge of two of the top programs in the PAC 12
historically. I just love to hear the byu homers rip on Chow. It
really makes you look even more bitter and jealous than previously thought. I
didn't think that was possible!
As we speak. Chow is visiting Mike Eubank ( 4 star QB)in California.If you don't think the odds of landing this kid just went up 75% your a
fool.Chow= Big time recurites.
Veritas"Even if Chow did apply at BYU, he would be bringing
BYU's offense to BYU. What good would that really do?"Think
the answer to that one is pretty simple: a lot. Offensive schemes are built on
the players that a coordinator has to work with. BYU built its reputation on a
west coast style offense of short, timed pasisng routes to set up the run
(typically draw plays) and the deeper routes. It played to the strength of the
typical BYU recruit and it still does (think Heaps: slow, weak physically but
very accurate). Chow is the master of that offense and has mentored a long list
of great QBs in that basic system.BYU has added small wrinkles to
that (as has Chow from time to time) by spreading the defense horizontally and
throwing out of shotgun, but that's as far as it's gonna go with the athletes
they have and are likely to have, and frankly I'm not sure it's helped that
much.Had he been willing to come to BYU, Chow would have been a
terrific add, but that was never going to happen.
Clearly another win for Utah...if even for only the short term. This helps with
recruiting, coaching knowledge, national exposure etc. This guy will rub off on
two young OC candidates that each now have a winning record with a couple of
years of OC experience. When Norm leaves, Utah can look within and find a
couple of good options that have potentially learned from their mistakes and
gotten better...if not we go get another big name as we just did. BYU has limited options - Find a mormon coach with ties to the school or the
religion...period. They don't pay well so coaches come for the
"experience." I'm fine with that -they come for other things besides
winning football...this truly is the difference moving forward and outside of
religious doctrine, As a U Fan,I prefer Utah's mentality. The church will
assume the TV money for more than just football...as is their right and their
belief. You're coaching staff is rarely if ever mentioned for an open
job...from Bronco on down. Like it or not there is a reason for this. We look
to win games and hire coaches as such
@fenderYou don't even know what you are talking about. You're just
spouting stuff.1st of all Heaps is neither slow nor weak. He has
very decent speed and an absolute gun for an arm. His arm is already NFL
strong.Frankly most of BYU's past qb's are anything that you
described. They actually come in all shapes and sizes with differing
abilities.McMahon had a huge arm, was very fast and athletic. Young
was extremely fast and ahtletic with an above average arm. Detmer was also fast
and athletic with an average arm. Bosco had a great arm but wasn't overly fast.
Neilsen was tall with a great arm as was Mark Wilson. Walsh was tall and slow
but had an absolute gun.I could go on but just spouting the same
"BYU players are slow, unathletic, weak, bs that ute "fans always try
to claim shows true ignorence of reality.You don't become a
perenially top 25 team with all the individual player awards, nfl players,
national champioship, etc. that BYU has if you don't have athletes. It is simply
dense, ute "fan" dense, to claim otherwise.
fender | 12:01 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011 Washington, UT No disrespect
meant to Dr. Chow, but I just think he was a better get for Utah, than he would
have been going to BYU.He can totally re-work Utah's offense, for
the better.At BYU, he just would have added, as you put it,
wrinkles.BYU could have certainly used Dr. Chow. I personally never
heard the rumor that I was replying to about (Dr. Chow inquiring at BYU,
although I am sure it is feasable that he looked at all his options). I just
think DuPaix brings more new cards to add to the deck at BYU. Chow
can help Utah prepare for the PAC, and that was probably more of an asset to
Utah than BYU. DuPaix probably fits BYU better right now...Either
way, I'm excited to watch both teams play next year...(Look at that,
a totally nice conversation about sports. That's the way it could be if more
posters wanted to be civil)...
uh onlyu...BYU almost always has some no mormons on its staff. They also pay
every bit as well as the university of utah pays. BYU's athletic budget is 50%
larger than utahs and where do you think that money goes?Frankly you
are just another no nothing ute "fan" spouting untruths you have read
ute trolls like wedgie and christina b spout before you.LOL
Why would Chow ask BYU about a job after being lied to after 27 years service,
not to mention the racial slur by the administration?
Eubanks is from my town. The kid is an absolute stud! some media has even
compared him to Auburn's Cam Newton physically wise. He will turn heads wherever
he goes. Not bad for my little alma mater producing such big names as Taylor
Martinez, Vontaze Burfict, and so on. This will be Centennial's 6th QB to have
signed a D1 scholarship.
"Frankly most of BYU's past qb's are anything that you described"hhmmm, tye ( tie?) Detmer??? He looked (lookes) like a twelve year old
@wedgieWho cares what he looked like since all he did was win the
Heisman and spend a decade and a half in the NFL.He must have been
pretty good. Maybe even a little better than brian johnson or alex smith huh?LOL
VeritasI completely agree with your sentiment. A shame that most of
what gets posted is personal and angry instead of a thoughtful and rational.
Not sure why discussion of a game provokes downright acrimony, but it seems that
it does. Anyway, appreciate your thoughtful comment.I'm a Ute fan,
but have coached kids on BYU's roster, so I follow BYU with great interest and
wish them every success. Will simply agree to disagree with you on the issue of
where Dr. (you are correct, he's earned that distinction) Chow would do the most
DuckhunterRelax pardner. I'm not a threat to the country's food
supply. If it helps, my wife would agree that I don't know what I'm talking
about most of the time. Blogging is pretty much all spouting off, don't you
think?I probably should have edited my comment, so as not to convey
something I didn't intend. By "typical" I was referring to BYU's
preference for pro style QBs. My comment was not intended to say that all BYU
QBs have been slow and weak: they haven't been obviously. I stand by my opinion
of Heaps. I give him full credit for having superior QB mechanics, which is why
he was so highly rated coming out of high school as a pro style QB. However,
scouting evaluations also said he needed to improve arm strength. It makes sense
given that his max bench is little more than two plates and his squat little
more than three. His poor core strength also necessarily means that he's
relatively slow, which is not unusual for a pocket passing pro style QB. He
could improve, if he'd get in the weight room consistently.
I have a feeling our buddy Norm is going to "Chow" on opposing
Duckhunter,Actually, BYU's athletic budget may be more for their
overall sports programs, but they do not pay as much for their football coaches.
It is a private school, so they do not release that info, but my uncle is a
professor there, knows all the ins and outs of the football program as he played
there in the 70's and 80,s, and grew up with Cecil Samuelson, and I know for
100% certaainty that Bronco, Anae, Hill, now Doman Dupaix etc. do not get paid
even close to what UTE coaches get paid. Even some of SDSU's coaches get paid a
lot more than the Y's coaches. The UTES made a great hire bringing in Chow for a
few years to help the transition into the Pac 12. All these ZOOBIES that say 3-5
try to spin it their way & how they want. It is 2-3, 4-7, 5-8, and 6-9. Next
year it will be 3-4, and 7-10. I can do it to. GO UTES!!!!!!!!!