Chow isn't going to Utah. If, as has recently been reported in the LA papers,
he was unable to work out a deal to return to USC and join a staff with Monte
Kiffin and Ed Orgeron, no way he's going to Utah.When you look at
the money some of the SEC, Big 10 and PAC 10 teams spend on coaching and,
consequently, the caliber of players they are able to bring in year in and year
out, you do have to wonder how teams as tightfisted as BYU and as poor as Utah
will ever realistically compete. Takes money to make money in most cases.
BrushowlWhat a cluesless, obviously politically motivated comment.
We're not talking Utah here. BYU has absolutely no
reason to hire a coach because of his family's political connections. Ben will
be hired solely because of his coaching skills and football knowledge.
Ben will get the job for one reason only, The Governor's little son-in-law needs
a job and Herbert wants his little daughter back in Utah County.
On August 2, 2007, Ben Cahoon kicked a game winning 22-yard field goal in
overtime in a 30-27 victory over the Toronto Argonauts. He replaced Damon
Duval, who had been ejected from the game.Sign the guy up...
A French Canadian newspaper is reporting that Ben Cahoon is retiring and coming
to BYU. It quotes Ben as saying he would only leave the CFL if he had another
job lined up. This past season marks the first year Ben didn't break 1,000 yards
receiving and he didn't want to wear out his welcome as the all-time receiving
yardage leader in the CFL.
@hedgehog, you are one argumentative dude. If I said BYU had better weather on
its campus than the U, I bet you'd have something to say about it.Did you dispute any of my facts? No.Now what are you saying?
That accountants at BYU aren't able to keep these Fund A separate from Fund B?.
"corporate pot" ??? What are you talking about?? Athletic funds at
BYU are separate from other university funds, period. Nothing to debate.Then you lay out your grand observation that the rest of the university
(and in turn the LDS Church) somehow benefits from the athletic program. Duh!!
This is true of pretty much every school that does well in athletics. I'm glad
we have you to point these things out to us.BTW, the weather on
BYU's campus IS way better than at the U.
Boy, the Hedge sure knows how to go off topic.===hedgehog | 11:24
a.m. Jan. 19, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI uhhhh, silly silly Raintime,"If you'd spend more time researching then trolling Ute
articles"From Hedge on a BYU article. Ute hypocrisy cracks me
up. (Although, I read all sports articles... because I'm a fan of
"sports"...)===I appreciate the way the coaching
staff is shaping up. I like how Bronco handled the need for change. It's too bad
that a disgruntled staff member had to leak it inaccurately to the press, but as
we see, Bronco showed class in how he handled the situation, giving everyone who
was ready to move on a chance to land on their feet.DuPaix is going
to be a stud. BYU has the (non-, per Ute fans) athletes and staff to make some
real strides in the future, and out of the mtn. debacle, so sports fans
everywhere can watch the teams play (regardless of Dutchman and Hailstorms
predictions of Wed. Night games... more misinfomation...).But that's
next year. Got tickets to the SDSU game next week. I'm smilin'.Props to Holmoe and Mendenhall.
We need to quit piling on hedgehog. After all he is only a hedgehog
hedgehogIf you'd really done your research, you'd know that Chow
makes $640,000 per year, with incentives, for the next two years. That's about $500,000 more than Utah's highest paid assistant. Utah couldn't afford to pay that much for an assistant even if they wanted to.
The $2 million Utah is getting from the PAC 12 Championship game will barely
cover the projected $2 million shortfall in the Utes projected athletic budget
next year.Chow gets NOTHING if he quits, but UCLA can't afford to
pay a position coach that much, and Chow isn't about to walkaway from $1
million, so we've entered a high-stakes game of chicken.Now you can
stop beating your chest about the vast financial resources the Utes have at
their disposal and face the reality that Utah is completely at the mercy of UCLA
and Chow negotiating a buyout, or Chow won't be coming to Utah.
Hedgehog, your obsession is showing agian. Could it be that your a little
jealous and more than a little nervous about what is going on down south of SLC.
You certainly sound that way. Insecure people are constantly looking for
attention, to prove that what they like is best and that what they hate is the
worst. Sounds like some of the people I knew in Junior High. BYU plays a very
exciting brand of football, they are nationally relevant and have a huge
national following. There is really nothing for you down there. Move along with
the other obsessed rubberneckers now.
Uh wedgie....BYU's athletic budget is approximately 50% higher than utahs. That
was reported in this paper this last year. BYU's athletic department also makes
a profit, unlike utah's which is in the red. BYU just got a raise with their
exclusive deal with the world wide leader ESPN. utah has virtually no income
outside of ticket sales for the next couple of years.In short BYU
could pay any coach they want to pay whatever they want to pay them and still
have twice the money utah has. Just the facts.LOL
uhhhh, silly silly Raintime,If you'd spend more time researching
then trolling Ute articles you would discover the Chow signed a TWO year
contract for 1mil. let's do a little math shall we. 1mil divided by two is
500k a year.Move along now, move along.
"Whether or not BYU will pay huge salaries remains to be seen, but it IS an
option"Rocksalt bYu,Wow, it sounds like the tds has
more money than they know what to do with? Literally coming out of you ears-
right?I wouldn't try to cash those imaginary ESPN checks quite yet.
As far as attempting to seperate Church and football....come on, it goes into a
"corporate" pot. How is "selling" the LDS church via
football not part of corporate mix?
@hedgehog: Never allow facts to get in the way of good reason.1.
Football is financially solvent and independent in earnings to the res of the
University. In fact, BYU football and Basketball pay for many, many other
programs with the use of one cent of tithing.2. K-whit makes 1.2
mill? Chow makes 1 mil. So, according to you, Chow would be offered 600,000 or
400,00 less than he makes at UCLA. And Doman makes $80,000? Again, I think your
facts are wrong.3. My hope for Roderick may be wishful thinking, but
I took no cheap shots at the U. It seems you, hedgehog, are a hater. I
encourage you to act independent of the way you interpret the way people treat
you. Why so bitter?
C'mon @hedgehog, go ahead and be a Y-hater, and go ahead and point out facts
about higher/lower salaries when you have them, but don't let your hatred blind
you from these facts:- BYU's athletic department is one of a handful
of programs in the country that turns a profit (i.e. there is money to
spare).- BYU's athletic department is about to get a huge raise (i.e.
there will be even more money to spare).- Not a penny of the widow's mite
(tithing) goes into BYU's athletic program, which would be a total misuse of
such funds anyway.Whether or not BYU will pay huge salaries remains
to be seen, but it IS an option.
"Unlike the U, BYU can afford to pay whatever they need, to get the coaches
they want. Whether they will pay is another matter."oh yes,
eventually the Y will pay the going rate or continue to live as an irrelevant.
Look for your yearly tithing to jump to around 11%
Both Anae and Higgins made decent moves that could be considered lateral ones.
It looks like they are being replaced by coaches with little experience. There is substantial risk. The offense should get a much needed update.
But there will be a lot less experience in those positions. There is
a very real danger of getting too many coaches who lack experience. Further, the
new coaches need to mesh in. I supported Bronco's approach to the
coaching changes and to changing the offense. However, there are risks and some
down side. Besides reducing experience, the slow moving musical chair approach
to the coaching changes tends to hurt recruiting. In the long run
the coaching changes should be positive. Unlike the U, BYU can
afford to pay whatever they need, to get the coaches they want. Whether they
will pay is another matter. I am more worried about the lack of
experience than I am about BYU not paying enough to get who they want.
"Can Utah afford Chow? Is Utah going to pay Chow as much as they pay
K-Whit?"Raintime,Utah would need to pay Chow HALF
of what K-whit makes. In other words, 5 times more than what bYu could offer a
Sometimes a subtraction is an addition.I would love to see Cahoon
@ 1984 for life: ".....I hope Aaron Roderick is at least offered an
interview or will take a look at the position at BYU."Again, my
stuck in time friend, I hope he would at least look at the position. BYU is a
more attractive place to work than you give it credit. But hey, UCLA just hired
an ex-49er coach, so it looks as though Chow will head to the U and that leaves
Roderick open for a move.But I'll use your logic on you. Can Utah
afford Chow? Is Utah going to pay Chow as much as they pay K-Whit? The worst thing about a Ute fan is thinking the Pac-17 makes them more
attractive than ...... other schools. They are not. A 40,000 seat stadium with a
very fickle fan base does not beckon too many people.Well, it did
Urban Meyer, but, ahem, he left after two years even after his many empty
promises. K-Whit stays at Utah because he has a young family and he is a very
good family man.The obvious choice for BYU is Ben Cahoon and we'll
see how it goes from there.
Aaron Roderick, Ben Cahoon come on man. I know Aaron has had D1 experience as a
coordinator and Ben Cahoon is great at what he does, but why narrow our choices
to those 2. How about Steve Clark the SUU offensive coordinator former BYU GA.
The offensive production the T-Birds have had since Steve's arrival is crazy,
and he coaches the Wide Receivers. He is a BYU guy who has playing calling
experience and obviously the passing system he and Paul Peterson have created is
terrific. Aaron Roderick's offense was at best terrible the last 3 games of the
year, and for Cahoon great players don't always make great coaches. However, my
gut says Ben Cahoon gets the job no way on Roderick, and Steve Clark will
continue to help turn SUU around. I did hear that he interviewed really well.
For all those who thought Coach Mendenhall handled his coaches wrong before
Christmas, it looks like everyone is doing exactly as expected. Each coach was
given the opportunity to evaluate their own position, what they could contribute
at a higher level and if not, they could look for other opportunities while
other schools had openings. Both Anae and Higgins contributed a lot at BYU and
now have moved on. No one was left hanging in the wind who didn't know what was
expected of them. No one was embarrassed by being fired. Coach Mendenhall
handled this very well and my hat is off to him. This program is in great hands
and I am excited for where it is going.
Joe Dupaix is the man! I have personally been to navy's spring practice and
watched him coach he is outstanding. BYU made a great choice, he can coach many
offensive positions and also has more passion for the game than anyone I have
seen in a long time.
I am Happy for Patrick Higgins. He made valuable contributions to BYU as Bronco
developed his program. Best Wishes at Purdue. As expected the people who
knew the handwriting on the wall was that they either would have to step up
their game or move on have moved on. Some injuries contributed to reduced
performance this last year with McKay Jacobsen's hamstring being the most
evident. But the lack of catches when hit in the hands was a major problem.Ben Cahoon should be the leading candidate as a superb technician of route
running and making every catch. Worries about his recruiting should be minimual
as he is outgoing, friendly and carries a blue ribbon career as a calling card.
An the excitement continues to grow.
This is a crazy chess match. Go Y
To RaininTime: and obviously if BYU came calling Roderick would run to Provo
for the privelege of working for Bronco and coaching at BYU. Maybe Andy Reid
could coach the wide receivers and Mike Holmgren could head up the offensive
line. I'm sure all three of these gentlemen would take HUGE paycuts just for
I like the idea of giving Roderick an interview, if he'll take it. I'm not sure letting Higgins go was a good idea. The problems this last year
were related to injuries (Ashworth), the lack of reps between Heaps and the
receivers (OC's decision), and the lack of production out of the tight ends
I think it will be Cahoon, but I hope Aaron Roderick is at least offered an
interview or will take a look at the position at BYU.Here's why:Roderick has D-1 coaching experience and can help our offense with more
crossing routes. Roderick has recruited to Utah, has played at BYU and would
already have some recruiting ties.Obviously Cahoon is a guy who goes after
the football and can catch it with the best of them. But can he recruit and can
he teach/coach? Roderick is a proven coach and recruiter.
Ben Cahoooooooooooooooon!Go Cougs!
It will be fun to see who repaces him.