VeritasI knew that BYU was denying the initial report. I think they
are just spinning it. I tend to believe the initial report, which, was reported
and is documentation. You can chose to believe what you want to, I
will believe what I want to. The reality is we don't know what the
"fact" are. I refer you to the last paragraph of my post.
The whole point of my post was to point out the lunacy of slam saying the Utah
program was have managerial issue, and the interpretation of the situation
around BYU's offensive changes does not change the ridiculous nature of slams'
assertion.Now, Veritas, if you would like to address discuss things
with me in a civil, mature manner that's fine, and I enjoy good discussion.
However, if you are going to continue to move the discussion away from the
point I am trying to make just to prove that you are the home of "truth
and justice" then I have no desire to discus things with you because it
will be fruitless
pocyUte | 2:50 p.m. Jan. 18, 2011 Pocatello, ID grandslamsReally, your coach just fired his whole offensive staff, then said they could
reapply.===I read your source...pocyUte | 5:02 p.m. Jan.
18, 2011 Pocatello, ID Veritas, ResidentpocyUte | 5:02
p.m. Jan. 18, 2011 Pocatello, ID Veritas, ResidentDecember 20th D news. Offensive staff could be overhauled."On
Monday night, Brett Pyne, BYU's media relations director for football, offered
to clarify the situation."Any reports that BYU football coaches
have been released from the staff are inaccurate," he said in a statement.
"BYU head football coach Bronco Mendenhall has begun the evaluation process
of the recently completed season. As part of the process, Mendenhall met with
offensive coaches and indicated a restructuring of the offensive staff is being
evaluated. Mendenhall told the coaches this includes possible changes in
assignments and personnel. The review will continue after the holidays and has
no specific timetable.""===Why not read the article
and stick to what happened, instead of making up facts on the run?Life gets easier when you deal with reality.======I
hope Utah get's the recruit from USC...Give USC some motivation.
Frankly, I'd rather have an over-achieving 1-star walkon who's fully committed
to Utah, than a prima-donna 4-star recruit who is basing his decision on who
showed him the best time during his recruiting visits.Players, not
stars, win games.
Surprising number of BYU commentators. Hmm...I think it is very
unfortunate to for Utah to have such a flaky kid "commit". Then
again, that's probably how they roll in the PAC-10-soon-to-be-12. Good luck
I could have sworn I selected this from a Utah link?Did I not see
the area that states that the comment board is looking for responses from the
independent little brothers down south?There is a great article for
you regarding the MWC looking to add some teams. Perhaps the cougars should try
and get in that power conference to upgrade from the WCC/WAC! USC is
dirty and Henderson will be a Ute.
Interesting to see all the ybU cougar breaths stressed about the Utah program by
posting on a Utah article. I guess they should be worried.
"Well I decided to look that up. And I was actually surprised with how many
ATHLETES with offers from BCS schools opted to be Cougars"IMDABONB,Fun little list you have. Since the anouncement of independence
how many offers from BCS schools? You know the PRESENT 2011 class?I'll wait for your response....I'm guessing I'll be waiting a long long time.
Dear Utelogly. BYU did not have many positions open due to early commits, so
statistically Utah may have more recruits. HOpe your logic prepares
you to play eternally in the Las Vegas bowl as the 4th place team in the PAC 12.
Can't wait to see Arizona State put a beat down on Utah next year...and
Arizona...and SC...It's coming. Ute fans ready?
Well normally I would not respond to these ludicrous attempts at fact. But this
was just too much.... Hedgie: "How many tds
football recruits have had any interest from major programs?""Crickets crickets crickets"Well I decided to look that
up. And I was actually surprised with how many ATHLETES with offers from BCS
schools opted to be Cougars. And many of them are actually not even members of
the LDS church. Go figure?In 2010 alone, BYU had 9 commits with
offers from BCS schools. Below I have the athletes name and a short
list of offers from BCS schools. Joshua Quezada- Standford,
Washington, UtahToloa'i Ho Ching- WisconsinAlani Fua- Ohio State,
Arizona State, Oregon StateJordan Johnson- UconnTayo Fabuluje-
Arizona, Arizona State, Arkansas, PurdueJake Heaps- Oklahoma, LSU,
Tennessee, ect.Ross Apo- Missouri, Nebraska, Texas, ect.Zac Stout-
Nebraska, Arizona, WashingtonGraham Rowley- Stanford, Colorado,
WashingtonHurts a little doesn't it?
Loyalty issues. Better dump the kid or look like hypocrites. Is this so hard?
What is wrong with this Ute football program? I thought going to the
PAC-12 was to be nirvana?It pains me (gag) to see this juggernaut of
a BCS Bowl Busting go down so hard. (thud)
Hmmmm...isn't USC in trouble with the NCAA??? How good of a time did they show
this kid. His definition of "Commitment" is pretty strange...May be that there are more deserving kids for the scholarship...winning
"at all costs" probably isn't really "winning" -Whitt has a lot more of the facts and he will make the right decision.
Not sure what is meant by all the "tricks" USC put out. Uh, this is a
team on probation for a reason.If it's "tricks" he's
after, perhaps he should consider the good ol' SEC.
Outside of Ryker is BYU even attempting to recruit a 4 star player?
@ManBearPig,Yeah, I know exactly what you are talking about. Stars to me
are a 50/50, not entirely accurate. Henderson actually won't the SPARQ award.
But nonetheless, I would steal a recruit from Utah if I could to keep the once
"non-AQ" down.@Ducky Boy,I'm glad I could make your
fat belly laugh. I'm told I'm a comedian. Peace Homie!
@Ducky"The truth is that USC, like BYU, is a school that kids
litterally dream about playing at as they grow up."Keep
spinning it. The truth is only kids in Utah County. Everywhere else? Well not
so much, here's a sample.Utah Recruits According to Rivals:20111. Ryker Mathews 4-star OL (BYU)2. Harvey Langi 4-star RB
(Utah)3. Isaac Asiata OL 3-star (Utah)4. Nate Fakahafua 3-star WR
(Utah)5. Travis Still 3-star WR (Utah)20101. Bronson
Kaufusi 4-star DE (BYU)2. Ricky Heimuli 4-star DT (Oregon)3. Joe
Kruger DE 3-star (Utah)4. Algrenon Brown 3-star RB (BYU)5. Chris
Badger 3-star DB (Notre Dame)20091. Xavier Sua Filo 4-star OL
(UCLA)2. John Martinez 4-star OL (USC)3. Criag Bills 4-star DB
(BYU)4. Latu Heimuli 4-star DT (Utah)5. Richard Wilson 3-star TE
(BYU)If 2011 is the beginning of a trend then BYU is headed to
Division 2 status.
Mountanman: Do you mean no honor code like Max Hall and the part of
BYU's," Honor Code", #5 Respect Others ? What's with that ? Max
received an official reprimand from the MWC , but nothing from Bronco because of
the upcoming bowl game.Did you mean that Honor code? Ever think
that coach Kyle believes a bit more in free agency ? By the way
mountanman mountan is misspelled it's mountain.
Hey Cougar Fans, the large majority of Utah fans don't care about you anymore.
This is an article about a possible Utah recruit. We don't need
your spin or to hear about how great you think you are.
Utah and BYU are both great academic institutions. Unfortunately, a sizable
portion of their fans, mostly for Utah, spend more time hating the opposing
university, than supporting their own.The antics of many "Utah
fans" are, quite frankly, an embarrassment to a great universtiy.Kicking snow and dropping f-bombs on Bronco during his post-game press
conference are about as bush-league as it gets.
LOL and Giggles at my BFF Duckhunter!
Duckhunter - no question many LDS kids grow up dreaming of BYU. It is a great
institution of learning and a solid spiritual experience. Clearly it is not only
religious zealots that go there or Jake Heaps and Jimmer would have served
missions. Utah is also a great academic environment and for an LDS
kid can also offer a spiritual experience through the insitute program and the
LDSA. It will be different from the Y., but not every good LDS kid wants to or
dreams about going to BYU. Some even - gasp - dream about going to Utah. Many
great men and women have graduated from and cheer for the University - including
apostles and prophets of the LDS church. I know we all get caught up
in supporting our teams, but both have great merits. Especially given the PAC-12
and the Independent status now, there are great things to want at each school.
Both will attract great talent albeit different kinds of talent - as it should
be. Utah has the advantage and the broader pool to select from and its move to
the PAC-12 only makes the pool larger. BYU gets more exposure and will get
better as well.
Veritas, ResidentDecember 20th D news. Offensive staff could be
overhauled. The initial reports were all were let go (a report that was also
picked up by multiple news outlets). Speculation (which I heard from my cougar
fan friends) was that Anae had leaked to Harmon. Either way, you guys can spin
it how you want, but I think it went down the way it was initially reported.
No, Veritas, I don't feel an apology is in order, but thanks for
being condescending. You can apologize for that if you want, but I don't really
careThe whole point of my post, however, was to point out the
ludacrous assertion by grandslamsthat the Utah program is suffering management
issues because of a recruit and changing around the offensive staff when BYU has
had some staff turnover itself, handled in a rather unorthodox way, and got it
handed to them by a very bad football team AND lost head to head to that team
with "management issues." The BYU fans posting here are the ones in
@hedgehog...Each of those names had info. I meant that I didn't have
more posts allowed to comment more, thought it looks as though I'm not limited
to 4 anymore?Anyway, I looked at plenty recruits and there are
plenty of "big names" listed with our recruits. Say what you want
about a poor season or whatever else, but let's not act as ignorant as you
clearly have.USC your new rival... hahaha. Maybe Washington St.. but
I'm sure USC couldn't care less about you coming in.
Actually wedgie BYU seldom competes with anyone for recruits. Most of them just
grow up dreaming of being Cougars and accept the offers in their sophomore years
of hs. It is schools like utah, that no one grows up dreaming about playing for,
that have to compete for recruits.
Cougarblue,99% of all students select BYU because of religious
reasons. Just stating a fact. Go ahead and claim academics or whatever else but
the bottom line is zealot reasons. No need to be defensive about it.
The truth is the wedgie and christina b are a fair representation of a large
segment of the utah fan base. If I was an lds ute "fan" I would feel
extremely embarrassed, humiliated really, to know that I sahred an association
with bigots of that stripe.
LOLI knew all the ute "fans" would get wound up over that
one. LOLBut of course it is the truth, all of it. No one grows up
dreaming of playing for utah. I see "commits" bailing for
schools that haven't "won 2 bcs games" or "can go to the Rose
Bowl or bcs title game" and that are litterally on probation and can't even
go to any bowl game. Don't they know the utes are in the pac10! They should be
running to the hill shouldn't they? whittingham should be turning them away if
you listen to wedgie.LOL
Resident2 "I don't have enough space and time to post
more."Wow, you had the opportunity to use 400 words and all you
could come up with was Jack heaps and Rose Alpo? that's four words... No, you
had plenty of "space" just couldn't think of anymore than two players
from LAST YEAR.Just deal with the fact the tds competes against USU
and Idaho St. for recruits and leave it at that.The fact that USC is
the Utes new RIVAL must be soooo depressing for the tds.
Oh, hedgehog, name calling now, Religious Zealots (too bad you can't spell it
either) My, my how the hate comes out. No one who knows me would
even of think to call me a religious zealot and I attended there. They know me
as a faithful member of the LDS church, but I have never forced my religion on
anyone and do not run around spouting about the church and trying to make it a
focal point of every conversation. You are looking through the world in a dark
glass. Lighten up hedgehog you will live longer and enjoy life
more. Get rid of the hate.
It would be great to have him join the Utes. Of course Utah will try to pull all
the stops to get him here, but if he also doesn't show committment to hard work,
then he won't be of much value to the utes or to the trojans. His
chances of making the NFL are probably equal at both schools as both run very
tough defenses that rely a lot on the corners. There are some recent CBs and
safeties in the NFL that can bear witness to Utah's program.
I'm thinking it's time to ask the Utah nation (Chris B, Uteology, Hailstorm,
UtahCountyUte, VegasUte) to start putting up solid, fact based conclusions, not
selective facts...Just a thought...
Wow, honesty is just not considered by these young men. I will commit to you,
but with the fingers crossed behind his back, I will continue to go look at the
other schools at their expense and see if I have a better time at that school.
Utah should tell him right up front. Either you commit to us or you go find
some other place. IT is one thing for a young man to make a decision and then
once at that school realize how much was put into enteraining him and it is not
the right fit for him athletically. Then he can decide to change schools, but
to commit and then continue to make visits is just plain dishonest. Anyone who disagrees needs to go take an ethics course. That is a major
problem with your country. too many do not even think about ethical behavior.
pocyUte | 2:50 p.m. Jan. 18, 2011 Pocatello, ID grandslamsReally, your coach just fired his whole offensive staff, then said they could
reapply. Spin that one.===Actually, rather than spin that...
Document your assertation.When did Bronco fire the whole offensive
staff? Seriously, document that...Then, ask for the spin.If you can't, then an apology would be in order...I'm talking to
@pocyUte Actually, that's not what happened. Good try though..
UU32 | 10:41 a.m. Jan. 18, 2011 Bountiful, UT Will the kid score the
same on the SPARQ when he weighs more than 165? Sounds like he needs some
maturing - both physically and mentally. Then again, who doesn't need that at
18? Bronco would definitely pull the scholarship. But then again,
Whit is not Bronco -- thank goodness. ===But, then again,
Bronco would not have been laughing while his players went across the field to
"taunt" the visiting players at the BYU-Utah game...Sometime soon, BYU fans, will need to realize that Kyle Wittingham, who was
offered the job at BYU, is not the same "Kyle" that played at BYU. His
desire to turn every Utah football game into a streetfight is not what we want
represented from the state.Let Kyle take that "mentality"
to USC, and see his players get beatdown, and then let Utah get a coach that
knows football.The Kyle you think you see is not a collge football
coach...He's a high-paid professional putting on a show for the
@HedgehogI don't have enough space and time to post more.Just because you are ignorant does not make you correct. Sorry.Why
would he pick Utah anyway? Didn't they get stomped by the
"cheerleaders" of Boise State?
@ HedgehogRoss ApoNotesDecommitted from Texas June
2009 for BYU... Committed to Texas February of junior year... Texas.. sounds like a big named program to me.
@hedgehogJake HeapsNotesCommitted June 2009...
North Carolina, UCLA, Notre Dame, Oregon State, Colorado also in final 10...
Holding 25 scholarship offers (June 2009)... Hopes to enroll early... 2008:
Completed 203 of 312 attempts (65.1-percent) for 2,910 yards, 38 touchdowns and
four interceptions. Rushed for seven touchdowns. Washington ESPN Rise Gatorade
Football Player of the Year. Class 4A Player of the Year. Class 4A First Team
All-State... 2007: Completed 202 of 336 passes (60.1-percent) for 3,095 yards,
31 touchdowns and seven interceptions... Rushed 95 times for 409 yards (4.3
average) and 14 touchdowns... Also recruited by: Miami-FL, Washington State,
South Carolina, Arizona State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Duke, Boise State...Any of those sound like big name programs?
grandslamsReally, your coach just fired his whole offensive staff,
then said they could reapply. Spin that one. This is after he tried a 2 QB
system, and fired one of his defensive coaches, then took over the defense
himself. You guys get dominated by USU, barely make a bowl game, lose head to
head to the Utes, and you're saying it's the Utes program that is in
disarray.Look in the mirror my friend.
@ hedgie What is with you and the "Crickets crickets
crickets"? You should really do something about those sounds in your head!
They are causing you to hear other voices also. I really like all those athletes
on your BB team too. Oh and let's see a # 5 team in FB goes down to nothing by
the end of the season....That was a team full of athletes too. I
really think you need to go back to that shrink you saw during the summer, I
know he still has your record.
At Duckhunter - hahahahahaha. Utah County goggles.
Mountanmann: Need a tissue? No one on our roster has a DUI how bout the
Duckhunter: BYU doesnt have one recruit besides Ryker Matthews that has a
BCS offer.. and your comparing them to USC (yikes).Do you wear a helmet to bed?
These utah spins are hillariouos. This kid just called you out and you are
saying it's ok. Great stuff! Hey, your head football coach is hiring people
without telling his current staff they might be out of a job or a demotion.
You're ok with that too. Utah has some serious management
issues...the program is imploding and ute fans are in denial. Utah is not a PAC
12 attractive school. You are now going to need to sell out to this kid to get
him or he's gone if he doesn't get what he wants. Hillarious, an 18 year old is
taking you down.
Utes, Have you tried recruiting from the penal system? Just a suggestion, since
they would fit right in at your school. Hey, no honor code!
Maybe he has too much class because he doesn't want to throw beer at opposing
players or curse out their wife or children. Or maybe it is because he doesn't
enjoy starting fights with opposing players before games!
Ducky,"The truth is that USC, like BYU, is a school that kids
litterally dream about playing at as they grow up."Correction:
ATHLETES dream about going to USC, religious zeloits dream about bYU.How many tds football recruits have had any interest from major programs?Crickets crickets crickets
Keep spinning ute "fans". LOLThere are a couple of ways of
looking at this. Obiously, like the philanderer, this kid never really was a
"commit" and utah has never been more than a fall back consideration.
Also it is obvious that he still considered USC to be a more likely
contender for just about anything than utah even with a no post season
punishment hanging over their heads. Better to go 10-2 at USC and not get into
the post season than to go 5-7 at utah and not get into the post season. The truth is that USC, like BYU, is a school that kids litterally dream
about playing at as they grow up. No one, not one single kid, dreams about
playing at utah as they grow up. The utes have to convince a kid that he doesn't
really want to attend the school he dreamed his whole life about playing for and
come and play for them instead. The utes will not be getting any
real upgrades in the kids they sign, the top ones will still ignore them other
than a few that have some kind of connection to them already.
re: hawkMy point was how far Utah has progressed in the recruiting
war. Not certain how you define "legitimacy" (your word, not mine)
but your point of winning those battles would be additional proof of our
progress. (Remember that February 2nd!!!) additional thoughts:When Bronko retracted a scholarship because a Y commit visited another school,
I was appalled! I had the same reaction when Coach Whit did the same to
Philander!! Then I leared the detail. Coach Whit is upfront with recruits. If
they commit and take subsequent visits he will continue to recruit their
position as they may change their minds. (Sounds like rational position to
me!!!) Philander "was not up front" with the U and took the visit to
Mississippi without notifying the U. It was for this reason his scholarship was
revoked.Another exampe of how far the U has come in football
reputation was when a four star recruit, committed to a SEC school, decided to
reconsider. He researched schools who had a history of sending defense backs to
the NFL and chose to vist the U. He contacted us not vice versa!!!!Circle
Will the kid score the same on the SPARQ when he weighs more than 165? Sounds
like he needs some maturing - both physically and mentally. Then again, who
doesn't need that at 18? Bronco would definitely pull the
scholarship. But then again, Whit is not Bronco -- thank goodness.
All this talk of "pulling scholorships" is ridiculous. These kids are
18 years old and are making, perhaps, the most important decision they have made
thus far in their life. I can understand second guessing that decision and
making sure, through other visits, that the decision you made was the right one.
The kid is apparently good and BYU fans (mostly the ones calling for Whitt to
pull the offer) really don't know the first thing about athletic, highly
recruited athletes that haven't dreamed about BYU since they were 10....since
they don't consider BYU as a school of choice.This kid will realize
that Utah is DB U...just look at the NFL players that Utah has produced at his
position. The style of defense Utah plays prepares these kids for the NFL and
if he dreams of making it someday (which recruit doesn't), then Utah will
prepare him better than anywhere else.
I'm more concerned about landing Floyd Raven ( 8 ranked CB in the nation / 120
ranked player in the nation)On paper it appears Raven could be the
shut down CB the Utes need.
I'm pretty sure Whit has a better grasp on recruiting than the rest of us. Each
person's situation is different, and if Whit automatically pulled schollies from
guys who tripped after commit, I think he'd have a bit of a harder sell. The
Philander situation was different. He wasn't open with coaches in his plans to
take more visits, whereas I believe Henderson has. Plus, Utah gets the last
crack at him, and I'm pretty sure after he takes his visit here, he will stick,
along with Pomee.Calic coug: It's always good to talk smack about a
team that won 3 more games than you did, beat you head to head, and didn't lose
to Utah State.
Pull the offer and let him go to USC. Make a committment in life and stick to
it Mr. Henderson. Oh, by the way, when Coach Kiffin gets fired in three or four
years for destroying not only your team but further tarnishes USC's reputation,
don't come running to us.
This kid is playing Whit like a fiddle. Let's see if Whit believes in his
program by yanking the offer or if he's is desperate and caters to this kid.
He's already yanked one offer because the recruit went on another visit...does
he have the courage to do it again? The U program will be disgraced if it
allows this kid to challenge them to "make his experience better".
Hold on, Who am I sir, the BATTLE doesn't necessarily indicate the utes
legitimacy -- consistently WINNING the battles will indicate ligitimacy.
Typical Ute commit, who is really uncommited. Common Whit, be consistent. A
committed player taking an official visit to another school - pull his
scholarship offer.The entitlement this kid is looking for is
unbelievable. Almost sounds like he's looking for payment for his services.
Better make sure you "show him a good time" as that seems to be what's
important to this guy. He certainly seems to have his priorities in place.
He'd fit in well with the Utes.
Utah Boise State Score 3 26 1st Downs 8 23 3rd Down Efficiency
2-for-1315% 8-for-1844% 4th Down Efficiency 0-for-10%
1-for-425% Total Yards 200 543 Rushing Rushes-Net Yards
29-107 37-202 Average/Rush 3.7 5.5 Passing Comp-Att 10-24
29-40 Passing Yards 93 341 Average/Pass Play 3.9 8.5 Penalties-Yards 10-83 3-29 Fumbles-Lost 3-3 4-3 Interceptions
Thrown 0 1 Time of Possession 26:50 33:10 Nothing to do with
the article, I just like posting it.
"We all sat around and looked at all the talent in the room and said if
every one of us decided to come to SC together, there's probably a 90 percent
chance we could win a national title together."Ah, to be young
This would definitely be a huge pick up for the Utes. The Sparq Rating says
this kid is a legit athlete. Henderson had the top score of 134.79. TImpview high standout and BYU commit Colby Jorgensen is #8 on the list with a
The "battle" over Henderson is representative of the status Utah
enjoys now as a PAC-12 member. The 30th highest ranked recruiting class to
date. Of the 5-10 recruits Utah is still trying to sign they are also visiting
Oregon, Michigan, USC, Pitt, Texas A&M, to name a few. These are NOT kids
that claim those schools are interested in them (perhaps a form letter of
introduction) but kids those schools are fighting to have vist them with less
than 18 days until signing!!! And remember we have only been a PAC-12 school
for 6 months!!! Keep an eye on developments these next two weeks!!!
He says "I still consider myself a Utah recruit" and then he goes on
another visit? A 90 percent chance of winning a national title? Are the Trojans
still forbidden from bowl games? Not sure I would want that kid.
NewMexicoUte - don't be fooled by the number of stars this kid got. My guess is
you've not heard of the SPARQ rating (rates overall athleticism). Look it up and
look up Henderson's SPARQ. It is the highest in the nation. Higher than Reggie
Bush's was coming in to college. Higher than Tim Tebow's. This kid is definitely
a top recruit.
@newmexicouteLOL please that might actually be the most delusional
post any ute "fan" has ever posted on here. Thanks for the absolute
belly laugh! LOL
They missed the part of the story where he has said previously that he would
like to play away from home. We will see who he picks in a couple of weeks.
Let the competition begin on the recruiting front for the new Pac-12! And the
2011 season isn't even here yet. USC and UCLA are not just battling each other
for bragging rights in the So Cal area, they are battling Utah even for a 3 star
recruit and possibly even an offensive coordinator. Why would USC care about a
3 star interested/committed to Utah when they have committed 5 and 4 star
recruits??? Utah is a threat to the new Pac-12, especially in the new South
division. I have a feeling a new rivalry is brewing, and its not East of Utah
or in Provo, but in So Cal. They are well aware of Utah's past success against
the Pac-10 and two BCS bowl victories. They know what Utah is capable of and
they aren't stupid. They will fight to keep Utah from becoming a national power
in the Pac-12. Go UTES!
Wow, check out the entitlement issues. It's important that Utah show him a good
time, because that's what SC did? Sounds like high maintenance.
He should stay at the u. He'll play at the u and ride the pine at SC...take a
clue from Harvey.