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Utah Jazz rise, but don't shine in loss to Wizards

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  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    The Jazz could go 0-5 on this trip if they lose tomorrow. By the way "your Hall of Famer genius" was such a genius using Elson ahead of Fes last night was he not?

    For the excuse that Fes kills the Jazz from the line when he gets 2-maybe 3 or 4 shots and the most he costs them during a game is 2 points; here is my comment:

    hee hee

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Jan. 18, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    here we go again...with the no time on the clock excuse...just face it...the entire team was a mess...so far...they all of them are performing below expectations...at the start of the season...i was expecting a career year for CJ...but...he was a disappointment...Al Jeff...showed some brilliance...but still not enough...everyone showed some flashes...but on the next few games...vanishes...i wish they could bring back their desire to win...at all cost...physical and hustle plays...clockwork offense...and solid D...there's still another half of basketball to play...

    OT: im praying the Chicago Bears wins against the Cheeseheads....i admit the Bears had a very easy schedule...but still...im dreaming they win one...

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 18, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Doc good to see you have become a fan.

    As for you Iowa......CJ is always in the right place on offense. He is not the problem. The problem is Jerry should run the offense around him while he is on the court. Instead Jerry puts his shooters as the 4th option with 2 seconds on the shotclock.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Jan. 18, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    When Deron complains that "we don't know the plays", that's troubling after half the season has elapsed. With AK and Milsap having been around for years in the same system, I have to assume he's talking about Bell and Jefferson. How long is it going to take the newbies to learn the system? Jerry said recently that "they still have to learn to play together". Will they learn by playoff time?

    And, though he has been around for six years now, I wouldn't be surprised if C.J. still doesn't know the plays. For all his impressive talent, I'm not sure how "basketball smart" he is.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Hey Dustin C...no offence...but i think it was their defence and our lack of defence

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    If cj had 20-30 shots a game the Jazz would be in the finals every year. Kobe and Jordan are nothing compared to cj. cj is the best player in division maybe the whole western conference. If Sloan would isolate cj every time down and let him take it Jazz would be leading the west.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 18, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    So much Whining!!!

    This is the NBA. You know, the world's best basketball players. Every team has good players or they wouldn't be playing in the NBA. It's hard to win on the road period.

    Again, when Jerry doesn't get CJ involved in the offense, the Jazz lose. It's simple math. Give CJ the ball and the Jazz win. Freeze him out and the Jazz win. 10 shots is not enough for the talent that CJ possesses. He needs to take around 20 shots a game for the Jazz to win.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Jan. 18, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Wondering if anyone can comment on the purported rumor that this team has tuned out Sloan and it started last year?
    What do Deseret reporters and those fans that go to alot of games think of the truth in that rumor?

  • Dustin C Torrance, CA
    Jan. 18, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    I really think the jazz should shake up their starting line ups. Milsap is great but he is too short and big Al plays a lot better at 4 position. Why don't we start memo instead of milsap? That way we are taller and memo is more of a scoring threat than milsap. Slow start was caused by the defense. It was offence that slowed down the team in the first quarter.

  • Jazzman72 Springville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    This is typical Jazz. They started off the season well, but they'll be limping into the playoffs as a fifth or sixth seed if they're lucky. The Jazz have rarely pulled off any trade deadline trades. I see them hanging on to Kirilenko through the season, and then re-signing him in the off-season. I would hope they don't re-sign him for any more than $5 million per year over three years. His best days have passed him by. He would best serve as a mentor for Hayward and Evans and an extra punch coming off the bench.

  • Rick Northport, NY
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Todd is right, the coach needs to accept the blame. The players must not "fear" the coach if that's what D-Will can say publicly. Coach's biggest problem is he doesn't think basketball is so important. Coach has a laid back attitude & that will not get you far in the playoffs ( ie: past 12 years). Too bad coach will stick around another 2 1/2 years to break ALL Time Wins Total for a coach. When you reach that age, everybody losses their drive & determination. Throw ontop of that, a loss of life the coach had to deal with in the early part of the last decade & you have a coach who sees the importance of basketball thru a different pair of glasses. Utah will never win with laid back Phil & coach, that's a given. Both seem to be very nice guys, but being nice doesn't win Championships. Hopefully Jeff replaces coach in 2013 & he will bring his passion & grit to the Jazz that will lite a fire in their bellies--promise ! I watched Jeff's career & his match-up battles with M.J. in the finals--Jeff is a winner !

  • H2OSKI Alpine, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Truly comical.

    toddfromsantanna blame sloans system for not defending the 3? Seriously? I have not checked recently but as of a couple of weeks ago the Jazz were #! in the league in 3 point defense.

    Yet here we have our resident expert blaming the coach for the players not guarding their own men on the perimeter or not working hard enough to get through a screen. Ya, that is the coaches fault.

    The of course we have Nunn singing the praises of Fesenko who misses his freethrows 2/3rds of the time!! 2 out of every 3 he misses!! Sloan would love to be able to leave him out there but hack-a-shaq begins the moment he steps on the floor. Then the opposition gets the ball back without us scoring anything.

    Stop blaming the coach for the players lack of effort and hard work. All the players know they can beat almost any team when they play defense the way they have been told and they say themselves the same thing about the offense.

    The players only have themselves to blame for losing a game like this.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    The Jazz were starting to look alive at the end.
    It was just too little too late.

    Too bad Sloan won't take a timeout when they are down 18-5. Coach of the Year candidates don't do that.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    The Jazz have peaked out at the halfway mark. They have the 8th worst record at home of the top teams in the west. Their roady record after this current 5 game trip will seal their doom the way things are going. The Smazz's start in Washington, D.C. was atrocious. Any team with a McGee or a Blatche type player gives the Jazz fits. And the Wizard guard Young.....what's a young killing them in the 4th quarter like he did? Come on. And now New Jersey tomorrow....I can't wait...with Boston, Philly and the Fakers...er Lakers to end the 5 game barnstorming trip...coast to coaster.

    I am troubled by the lack of intensity and inconsistency in this club. AK and the backups are not getting it done at the 3 position. And again, Watson needs to start at the 1 and move Deron to the 2. There is now backup at the 5. Okur is finished, trust me. The Jazz is too small, with no feisty, or nasty attitude that is needed to make up for their deficiencies in size.

    This team has peaked out and is heading down withou a change.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    Some of these cooments seem shallow. They are giving Jefferson immunity because he had a good game against a poor team.

    Bell and AK usually show up against a good team and play better. Jefferson is struggling to follow the ball when it goes up. He can't rebound for the life of him.

    When DWill says people don't know the plays he is not talking about AK or Millsap. When Minnesota traded Jefferson to the Jazz they knew he was a work in progress.

    He plays defense or rebounds but he does not do both on the same play. Jefferson gets lots of time playing but Millsap is ahead of him in ppm and shooting percentage and rebounds.

    Jefferson can't get to the free throw line as he does not drive with the ball in the paint. THat makes the Jazz live and die by the fade away or turnaround. Too often they do not fare well with that as a game plan.

    AK has achieved mediocrity this season and needs to go. The Jazz seem to have exceeded the playing level of Raja as well so KOC has some trading pieces and hopefully he uses them.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 7:11 a.m.

    They were so overwhelmed an honored, playing in the nations capitol on MLK day they forgot to bring their game. HAH!

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    Jan. 17, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    To BillM75, I agree with you, happy with Prince , Hamilton soso, but worth the risk and with championship experience.
    Need to look at all options - Kaman ! but does get injured - Clips want a 3 AK and we get Kaman plus Randy Foye

  • Utah Man Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    I am really pleased that Kevin O'Connor and the rest of the Utah Jazz's braintrust decided not to match Wes Matthews contract in favor of C.J. Miles. Just another blunder by the organization known as the Utah Jazz. Never take any chances. Never take any risks. Just happy to be competitive.

  • Fuzzbrain Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    The thing about Deron Wllliams is he's still gonna get his 20+ points a game if the Jazz make a trade for a better shooting guard. But if they managed to bring in somebody who can put up double figures every night at the SG, DWill is going to get more assists & the Jazz are going to win more games. I think the slow starts & falling behind in points has gone way beyond just the lack of focus or not executing their plays. The Jazz need another player that can break down the defense & create his own shot; or at least use the screens to hit an open jumper. If they add more scoring, they won't have to play such a perfect game everytime to win.

  • funkylizard Athens, GA
    Jan. 17, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    Every team loses. The sky is not falling. Chill out and get excited. The west is paper thin with the Jazz guaranteed to be a top 5 seed. Denver and Portland are no longer contenders and the Jazz are 27-14. No one expected this at the season's start. Let Memo get up to speed and after the trade deadline, we should know how far this team can take us.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 17, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    If Okur plays defense the way he did today we are weaker. I will bash people making 18 milliion a year which day after day makes making any possible roster moves next to impossible.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    Jan. 17, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Same old story. Jazz lose > bunch of non sayers storming to post. I don't think some of these posters real fans just jealous scams trolling. How good team is doesn't matter will lose some games specially to subpar team. Look at Lakers ,Dallas and Boston.

    I have ? from Todd, Who is your defensive, long, shut down defender if trade happens. You just bashing AK.
    JAzz weaker with Okur? Yo kidding me . OKur wins a game my dear expert.
    Today Ak took only 4 shots made 2 of them. When your PG is best scorer this team not gonna win championship.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 17, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    Sloan rarely makes game adjustments or studies tape. Everyone said how "they told us so" when AK and Raja recently had good games. I will still trade Kirilenko and expiring contract first and foremost if it got me some defensive, long, shut down defender. No one tell me AK is because he is not.

    As many of us predicted on this site, the Jazz are much weaker with Okur in and not Fesenko. Everyone focuses on what Fes cannot do, it is the things HE CAN AND DOES more that make a difference to win or lose the basketball game.

  • GaryS Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 17, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Arggghhh! It was the one game a year I get to attend in person, and the Jazz laid a huge egg.

    Both teams took lots and lots and lots of shots. The score belies the poor shot selection on both sides.

    However, the Wizards weren't afraid to attack the basket. The Jazz were very tentative and wanted to shoot, shoot, shoot from outside. 20-footers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Come on! This persisted until the last few minutes, when they staged a small comeback. They actually almost pulled it off, but a late 3-pointer sealed it for the Wizards.

    Give some credit to the Wizards. They did not play like the terrible team their record indicates.

    Finally, I told my kids to remember that they were there on the historic day when the Wizards scored 109 points--because they may never see it again (and since we only go to Jazz games, I hope they don't).

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Wombat, the trade works if OKC throws in Daequan Cook...and it's a horrible trade for the Jazz. Why strengthen our division rival? The pick will be high 20's = worthless.

    And Washington would never trade McGee (esp for that junk), he's their 2nd best player other than Wall. They want to build around those two and Young. Blatche is mediocre and his contract lasts another FOUR seasons after this one.

    We need to gamble with Rip & Prince for AK & Raja if the Melo deal falls through. Would cost the Jazz 5.6mil in cap/tax, but ESPN says +5 wins. Throw in Fes & Price and it only costs the Jazz 500K.

    Gotta gamble, we don't have near enough to beat LA, SA, BOS or MIA in a 7 game series, and DWill knows it better than anyone.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    We need a shooting guard, right now its like tghe Jazz are starting 4 against 5. No wonder we have slow starts and no energy, because the 2 guard "Bell" should be coming off the bench, not starting for a playoff team. Had Bell gone to L.A, how many minutes would he be playing? I like Bell, but he should not be our starting 2 Guard anymore. I can honestly say that our sluggish starts are because of Bell and AK. Mostly Bell though. D-Will needs some support in the back court to help him out, Mathews was perfect and Brewer was decent, but Bell is not cutting it!

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    The Spazz lose to the Wiazards? Oh that is just soooo funny, I'm going to be laughing all night about this one. Haaaaaaaa haaa!!!

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    As far as I am concerned; this loss is directly credited to Jerry Sloan for over looking Washington's length and then failing to make the proper adjustments to counter their superior length advantage.

    In plain English why wasn't Fes put in their to body up to their bigs and give us a chance to rebound and defend the paint? Elson is a 7' dish rag.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Jan. 17, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    no excuse for losing this game but lazyness. as much money that they hauled to the bank off that game no excuse.

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    Jan. 17, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    Saw a comment from OKC on espn, that they need Milsap - would a possiable trade work- Milsap for Green & a 1st round draft pick - would help with $, Green can play the 3 or 4 and we get our draft pick back! We then need Blache & McGee from the Wizards for Memo & Elson - can only ask I suppose - KOC needs an open mind and be creative in the next few weeks if we are to improve our list

  • Chuck Nunn Logan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    Rebounding ... rebounding ... rebounding ...

    The Wizards come at you with a lot of size. You have to block those long riders off the boards, and one of the guys who can put a body on someone doesn't even get off the bench. Fesenko ought to have played in this one. When Sloan tries to marginalize him, it doesn't work out well for the Jazz. Even if Fes isn't grabbing the board hinself, he's usually got a body on his man so a teammate can come up with it. The shooting? Everybody goes through slumps the ball goes in or it doesn't. But rebounding is something a team has more control over, and getting beat consistently by double digits in rebounding is going to get you in trouble, just like today.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Jan. 17, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    miles needs his diaper changed again,3/10 grand total of 8 POINTS,he`s lazy and worthless

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Elson, Memo, AK47, OUT!!! Bring someone to help DWill and Big Al. Millsap is good but not always, same thing with Miles.
    Bring someone better to build our UTAH BIG 3!

  • Soccerbum29 Richfield, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    What is all of your problems??? I mean holy cow, the jazz lost to a bad team, we are doomed to eigth place!!!! You fair weather fans need to realize that sometimes your team just doesn't play well. period. I mean look at the Lakers for goodness sakes! They lost 3 in a row TWICE this year. The Jazz have only lost 2 consecutive games ONCE!! We have a good team that has some issues, but heres the thing, EVERY TEAM DOES!!! Every elite team this year has dropped games to below.500 teams, we arent that special in that regard. Stop being doomsday fair weather fans and support the JAzz like fans are supposed to. Count yourselves lucky that we have such a consistent team every year.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Awful. I never felt once the Jazz would win today. When I talk about does "sloan and his SLoanaholics" watch film, everyone should know even Billy Barty that you do not leave Nick Young from SC open for a corner 3. Good teams shadow guys, this defense Sloan runs is a joke. Period. Young missed a couple but buries that shot and has since College. Li had field day with 5 wide open shots from his sweet spot.

    The Jazz outside of DWIl and AJ did little, no on else played up to par including CJ. Fesenko should have been used over Elson who again did nothing and does nothing to thwart the paint play of the Wizards, you allow Blatche a role player to play like a star.

    The Jazz had few plays of good defense. You do not win giving up over 50 percent shooting.

    Now the next game becomes a must with harder road trip to follow and hope OK City loses tonight.

    Slow starts are catching up to the Jazz because if the bench then gives you a run just to get tie or small lead of 2, we could be up 10 and control

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    AGAIN...we don't need Memo and Kirilenko, sell them, we get more cash for BETTER players!

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    I am starting to lose faith...They just do not have that give it my all guy on the bench.....Are we Jazz fans doomed with the good, but not good enough for the rest of our lives.
    I think there is one diffence between the NBA, NFL and MLB....In the NBA, there is never really that opportunity for the underdog to win it all. I think they should revert to making the opening round a best 3 out of 5 series. I think it would make pro basketball more exciting or a round robin pro tourney...Something different..We all know the league wants the Heat, Celtics or Laker's to win it all. Its dissappointing.

  • duke5 vancouver, wa
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    Another consistant and great scoring effort from Bell and AK. Trade deadline in about 5 weeks?

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    I think KC is looking for a pro basketball team. Maybe the Jazz should move there.

  • jazzbball Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    BOOOOOOO!!!!

    Thanks for that effort fellas.

    Hey Millsap, that was awful. Thanks bud.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    boYlen must have put is two cents in before the tip-off.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    It looks like we can count on D-Will and Al Jefferson to bring their best effort every single game.

    The difference between a good Jazz team and a great Jazz team? Consistent performances from Bell, AK, Millsap, and Miles. Bell, AK, and Miles need sports psychologists to convince them to play hard and contribute every day. Coaches need to help Millsap learn to play alongside Al.

    It's weird seeing us get outrebounded night in, night out. If we could just decide to play defense on every possession, I suspect the rebounds will come. We're giving up a lot of open shots!

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    @LT YBU

    Obviously you didn't watch the game and the 15 LBS you are talking about is Deron's strength. He had 28 and 11 with 2 TERRIBLE wing players in Bell/AK. If you gave Williams a slasher he'd average less turnovers and more assists. Why do you think he was upset when they lost Brewer.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    Millsap, AK, and CJ Miles go for a combined 9-27 from the floor!!!

    That ought to expain most of it. The rest can be explained by the fact these softies gave up 108 points to the Wizards.

    Just shows these guys have still not matured to the point they understand that you win with defense.

    Their shots weren't falling so they don't play defense...just like the junior jazz.

    If you want to win a championship then it should be just the opposite. Hold the other team to a respectable total at least even if you are having an "off" day shooting it.

  • LT BYU Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    I hate to say it but I think Deron is a step slow this year. He is REALLY bad on defense. I think he really needs to make some changes. I would guess 15 lbs. would be the perfect place to start. I love DWill but he is not the same this year.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    They came out lazy and nonchalant, DWill and Big Al
    are the only ones that came to play.
    CJ didn't attack and shot the 3 to much, Milsap didn't shoot well or rebound well. Bell shot poor, AK didn't get to the hole like he does when he plays well.
    The whole team except DWill & Big Al stunk, they didn't come out like they really wanted to win.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 17, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Let's see......

    Bell, AK, and Millsap played a combine 97 minutes and scored a total of 22 points.

    Three point game, Millsap misses shot and then goes down and fouls.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    Expect to lose when you dont run the floor hard or set screens, dont finish. Bell 2/8 with 5 points. We need our shooting guard to give us double figures every game no matter what. Where was AK? The bench didnt have the energy either. Bell has had maybe 5 good games out of 41 so far. AK maybe 10 decent games but nothing to write home about. The Jazz as a team need to focus. Each game from here on out could effect our standings in the playoffs. The Jazz seem to put it together for a couple games and then they stumble. When this team comes out sluggish they suffer. I still think we need to bring in a higher caliber 2 guard to run with D-Will.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Jan. 17, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    I`m not the least bit surprized,in fact I had a gut feeling this would be a loss...oh well,same old Jazz

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    Note to KOC - Need ATHLETES! AK and Bell are not going to get the job done with a PG like Williams. Need somebody that can finish at the rim!

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 17, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Just another Jazz egg. This team is just like "cotton". There is no fabric toughness what so ever from top to bottom. Where's the effort, desire, intestinal fortitude, anything that defines a man? What some pretenders that talk the talk but can't walk the walk. And don't give me the A.M. start, get up and get ready just like practice softies!

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    The Wizards? Really guys? Come on...you're better than that! Seems like most of the guys struggled & didn't shoot that well today. And where are the rebounds?