TH,I'm also crossing my fingers that Keith McGill doesn't get wooed
by OSU... he visited on Friday...Come on Keith make the right
Thanks for the info Hedgehog.... Utah's recruiting has really jumped by leaps
and bounds over the last few months. If Raven's is as good as you say, he can
look at a great track record of Utah CB's (Sean Smith, Brice Mccain, Eric
Weddle, and now Brandon Burton) and see he's got a great opportunity to showcase
his talents in the Utah defensive system and make it to the next level.Naked Truth... Please don't try to compare yourself with Texas. Texas / Idaho
St would be televised on ESPN because its Texas. ESPN will televise your games
with Idaho St, NM State, Ut St, etc, etc, etc, on ESPN360.com the same thing
they've done with Boise St. The difference is that they will allow for BYU to
broadcast on BYU TV. Something the MTN wouldn't allow. This is great for BYU
fans, but it won't mean anything for national exposure. Most football fans
nationwide aren't going to be looking on direct tv for BYUTV. Dont
get me wrong, the exposure will be better, but it won't compare to Utahs. Don't
Floyd Ravens a Cornerback from LA took his final visit to the Utes on Friday.Ravens is a 4 star / 8th best CB in the nation/ 120 best player in the
nation.Crossing my fingers! If the Utes can sign this kid he would
be an automatic starter and the shut down CB they're looking for next year.
"Until last month, how many ND fans wanted Holtz back?"huh?"You see when you go 7-6 and lose to all Utah teams....
you think back to better days."Sorry, you couldn't be further
from the truth. BYU fans were very encouraged with the progress BYU made during
a rebuilding and are already getting excited about the prospects for next
season."most if not all BYU fans would be doing cart wheels in
Chow wanted to come back to Provo."The vast majority of BYU
fans have absolutely no interest at all in having Norm Chow return to BYU. I'll bet you couldn't find 10 BYU fans who would be even the slightest
bit excited about having Chow back.
re: Naked Truth | 10:18 a.m. Jan. 14, 2011 Sark also took a sure #1
overall pick and made him a mid 1st rounder at best.For the record,
Norm could not do any worse with the U than the recently retired Dan Henning did
with my favorite NFL team.
@Naked TruthDid you just seriously try compare Carrol/USC success
with Bronco/BYU success as a mid-major? Fact: 56-21 but only 2
wins over ranked teams vs 2 wins in ONE yearFact: Doman's coaching
abilities are not in demand anywhere besides Utah County vs Sarkisian went from
USC to a head coach in WashingtonWhat exactly are Doman's
"intangibles in recruiting"? Building a team of mostly Utah county
players will only get you so far, like maybe Vegas.
Re: Th, Go ahead and try to diminish the ESPN deal all you want, the
guarantees are there for exposure. Of course ESPN is not going to put BYU/Idaho
State on the flagship, just like they wouldn't put Texas/Idaho State on it
either. They want good matchups which has everything to do with BYU, like it
does their opponents. What Utes won't aknowledge and what they try to bury in
the sand is the fact that BYU will get much more $$ with their ESPN deal than
with the mtn, along with much more exposure and the ability to broadcast games
locally and on BYUtv when not on nationally. The kicker is they'll get more TV
revenue than Utah, at least the first few years in the Pac-12.
This is great! Chow isn't coming to Utah to be a long term OC. He's
coming to probably mentor ARod and give hime some better ideas on play calling,
and using the talents he has on offense. Chow is old at 65 but is still a great
resource especially adjusting into the PAC12. Chow will be able to land some
recruits that we may have missed on. As for Truth Machine, you read
way to much into the ESPN deal. Yes BYU will be on ESPN the first 4 games, but
it has a lot more to do with Texas, Ole Miss, Oregon St, and the big rivalry
than byu itself! The rest of your WAC conference games will be on
ESPN360.com.Sadly, you will play and win the WAC every year and not
even get a trophy for it.
Hedgehog calling other people "trolls" ... now if that's not
"Still brown nosing your sellout Meyer, huh?"Resident,well, I see your one of those "classy" ones. Typical.Yea, you'd be hard pressed to find a Utah fan you doesn't appriciate what
Coach Meyer did for the school. We celebrate his achievments and rooted for him
at Florida and will root for him in the future. You see, Utah fans are loyal and
appreciative..even when "sellout" Meyer left for a better opportunity.
TDS fans are not capable of such rational thought. If you leave Provo your a
trader....I guess thats been taught since birth.
No doubt, the same Y haters that are talking about what a great hire Chow would
make for the U would be saying it was a stupid hire if he was going back to
@ UteologyDon't you go confusing opinions for facts. Even though
Carrol(HC)/Kiffen(OC) may have been great mentors for Sark, Bronco/Anae have
been no slouches, going 56-21 during their time together with multiple top-25
finishes and offenses ranked consistently in the top-10.Anae needed
to go, not because he was a failure but because the program needed a change.
Doman is certainly capable of running the offense and his intangibles in
recruiting make his appointment as OC a no-brainer.
@Hedgehog"As I said, most if not all tds fans would be doing
cart wheels in Chow wanted to come back to Provo."You really
shouldn't have left middle school. You could have learned so much!"tds".. haha.. Still brown nosing your sellout Meyer, huh? You do
know what happens when you follow a person from behind that closely and they
Norm - Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
"How many Oklahoma fans would want Barry Switzer back? How many Florida
fans would want Steve Spurrier back?"Truth machine,Until last month, how many ND fans wanted Holtz back? You see when you go 7-6
and lose to all Utah teams.... you think back to better days. As I said, most
if not all tds fans would be doing cart wheels in Chow wanted to come back to
Provo. Instead you got D'oh!manLOL
Interesting points there hedgehog. Good to see your still in touch with
Bringing in Norm Chow to mentor A-Rod and Brian Johnson for the future is a
great move. It's really that simple.@NakedThe
difference between Sarkisian vs Doman is one gained coaching experience under a
great coach/system while the other under did not. @SwoopUtah
isn't having recruiting problems without Chow:1) Currently on Rivals
#31 (TCU #27) 2) Of the top 5 in state player, FOUR picked Utah
SkippyDid you take a poll, Skippy?NOT a single BYU fan
I've talked would want Chow back at BYU. He was great for BYU while
he was here and the vast majority of Cougar fans appreciate his great
contributions to BYU football, but we're past that and it's time to build for
the future.How many Oklahoma fans would want Barry Switzer back? How
many Florida fans would want Steve Spurrier back?Times changes. BYU
fans have moved on.
The tds trolls need to wise up.I will assure you that Dr. Hill is
looking at hiring Chow for just the short term ( 2-3 years). Why you
ask?1)Chow holds more knowledge of PAC12 football than any current
coach in america.2) Chow knows how to run a PAC/BCS championship offensive
system3) Chow is a household name for every 5 star athlete in AmericaI'd view him as a "consultant" if you will....a very expensive
but worthwhile consultant.Now move along tds trolls, go talk about
the obscure coach you just picked up from Navy.... but don't tune into ESPN for
details... Unlike Chow, they don't cover irrelivant coaches.
Skippy;Not all Y fans would be on board if BYU were considering Chow. He
was a great coach at the Y with Edwards and on the cutting edge of a new type of
wide open offensive play in the NCAA but his time is past. He is now just
another peddler of a very common product. If Utah can get good players then he
could be successful. If they can't get the players they likely won't be
successful. I like to see Utah win against every team but BYU. For Utah's sake I
hope they find someone else. I think Norm chow is past his prime. Look at his
teams records since he left BYU. If he does come to SLC, I hope he does well. He
utahcountyuteTypical fuzzy math from a Utah fan. Only four games
were mentioned, therefore, the early record will be 4-0, including, of course,
the first of annual beatdowns of Utah by Jake Heaps and company.It's
a good thing Utah starts the season with Montana Girls Prep; it would be so
embarrassing for the Utes to begin their illustrious PAC 12 era 0-4.On a positive note, at least the Utes will survive their September 24th date
without a loss.
utahcountyute, Ah, so BYU is going to start 1-4 next season too? I
sure hope for the sake of your fragile egos, that one win isn't against Utah!Wait a minute, yes I do!
@ SwoopWith all the BCS money flowing into the program, hiring Chow, and
upgrading the pay for all the other assistants should be a no-brainier.Didn't we just read that the U accumulated over $500 million in fundraising
recently? Speaking of fundraising, my daughter just sold 55 boxes of girl scout
Oops. I need to correct. I meant to say I doubt most other cougar fans would
"All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for
the Y job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be
to have Chow. Go figure! "I wouldn't be and I doubt most other
cougar fans wouldn't be either. I was happy to see Chow leave when his ego
became too big to fit into the stadium.
Nice post Hailstorm@ Truth MachineSo what you are saying
is that byu faithful get the opportunity to watch the cougs go 1-4 on ESPN in
"All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for
the Y job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be
to have Chow. Go figure! "Are you sure about that?
All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for the Y
job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be to have
Chow. Go figure!
Everyone is talking about having Norm Chow fill the OC position, but Utah really
needs to fill the AC position, which Chow has also done. Why not have Chow as
the AC help Roderick learn how to call and run an offense better, and be there
as a reference for Brian Johnson as the QB Coach, which Norm has done as well?
Truth is, Whit and Bronco don't like "meddling" with the
offense, so in my view it is best to have a guy who can lead the other side of
the ball without having to be directed by the HC. As an AC he could be the guy
that "meddles" and theorizes on the offense, as well as be a great
recruiter.Norm can do that and he's proven it before when he worked
for coaches like LaVell and Carroll that allowed him to lead. If
you put Chow as the AC, the U could justify paying upwards of $400k for an AC,
since Whit makes over $1.2 mil as the HC.
This continues the strong tradition of having great o-line coaches at Utah.Ron McBride, an o-line coach, started the long trek toward the BCS. He
found and coached great players, like Jordan Gross, who have been devastating
blockers.McBride brought the Whittinghams to the Utah. They teach
and preach crushing people on defense with outstanding linebackers.McBride loved speed on offense and defense: Steve Smith, Kevin Dyson, Andre
Dyson, etc.All of today's final preparations to move into the Pac-12
rest on the outstanding work of Ron McBride. Anybody remember 34-31?
Swoop, it is about money, but not as bad as it would appear. Chow is being
shown the door by Neuheisel, and part of his contract with UCLA is that he will
be paid by UCLA the difference between the salary of his new job his UCLA
salary. Utah could essentially pay him a dollar/year for the next 2 years, and
UCLA would have to make up the rest. Obviously it isn't that simple, and he is
probably negotiating a buyout, but, I'm convinced he will be here by Monday.
Interesting that Ute fans are dissing on Doman as a poor choice for OC. I seem
to remember another former, successful BYU QB that is now a head coach of a
Pac-10 school, who also started out in the coaching ranks as a QB coach, before
becoming a successful OC. Who could that be that I'm talking about?Sark became the OC at USC in 2007, 11 years after finishing his career at BYU.
Doman becomes the OC in 2011, 10 years later. Both were considered very cerebral
QB's while in their playing days, that could read defenses with the best of
them. That's the only reason why Doman was even able to hang in the NFL for
parts of 4 seasons. I think BYU will be just fine.
TheHailstormYour post was hillarious. Completely detached from
reality, but hillarious.You'll see a different picture when BYU
opens next season with four straight nationally televised games on ESPN.Utah fans will even be able to participate in one of those games, thanks
I agree that he will be a upgrade on the OC we have now. With Chow you get pro
style offense. You get great experience. You get a proven recruiter. Utah needs
someone to help take us in the PAC 12 conferance.If you have read any of my
posts. I have said over and over again its not the QB its the offense
philosophy. Go pro style not a lot of teams runing that kind of offense, and you
will have a lot of QB's out there to choose from. Get it done already.
The problem with Chow may turn out to be just how much he has forgotten!
Look at hedgehog, calling out the trolls. Oh the irony...I'm not
sure why Ute fans are getting so excited about hiring Chow. Is it because he
once coached at the Y and this is a chance to stick it to their rival? Well then
that figures. Utah is going to have to pay through the nose to get him to come,
like 300% more than they've ever paid an assistant. It's risky, especially since
Chow could be on his last legs as an OC, given his recent track record at
UCLA.If so interested in former Y coaches, you coulda had Crowton
before Maryland nabbed him. Actually woulda been a good hire. Gary is a great
OC, just not so great a HC.
I'd be surprised to see Norm Chow coaching Wittingham's offense. I am not
drinking the Kool-Aid of BYU offensive coaches past, as the refreshing relief
for Utah's current inconsistent, unimaginative play and coaching.The
Utes have always had a respectable and sometimes renowned defense. If
Wittingham has a weakness, it springs from his greatest strength; his natural
affinity for defense - and lets be fair, Wittinghams undefeated 2008 team was a
defense oriented team. He does need a offensive coaching help.But is
Chow the answer? While Chow whould certainly upgrade the offensive IQ on the
coaching staff, I understand there is good reasons for his current situation -
personality, inability to inspire or connect, inability to coach speed, stuck in
the 70s football mentality, outdated offensive schemes. Regardless
on your take on Chow, the Utes need immediate help on the offensive side of the
ball, but I am not sure Chow is the end all to the Utes offensive woes. Not by
a long shot. And while Chow is a interesting idea, Witthingham should not go
backwards in time to solve the problems of the future.
USC won the 2003 AP National Championship
USC won one BCS National Championship in 2004. In 2003 LSU was the BCS national
I wish that the naysayers and false profits of the Y would look at their own
program first. No DC , Doughman as OC and now no QB coach! LOI signing
day is close by and a disassembled staff does not bode well for the next year.
Maybe we'll hear the old excuse of it being a rebuilding year again , and again,
and again. They have a great Basketball team , but the football team is in
shambles. 16 recruit with verbal commits, 12 from Utah and 6 from Utah County.
They are and not even listed in the top 50 for recruits this year. That alone
should keep their coconuts busy without subjecting themselves to the criticism
that they spread about the Utes, Coach Kyle, and staff on the hill. The
blue bloods tell of all of the great money that they will earn by going
independent, yet they can't afford to shell out a few clams for some newer ,
better, and seasoned coaches. What's with that ?Like with Bronco's
interviews it's hard to figure which side of their mouth they are talking from.
hedge, it doesnt matter how much a jockey knows if he has a slow donkey under
him. The talent on offense at the U is very average and chow knows this.
Instead of "Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship."Perhaps one of these other Casablanca quotes would
fit better for the Chow situation:"Of all the gin joints in all
the towns in all the world, he walks into mine." "I stick
my neck out for nobody." "Round up the usual
suspects.""Here's looking at you, kid." or"We'll always have Provo."
Money is the main issue.Chow is the highest paid assistant coach in
the country making $640,000 per year with incentives, guaranteed. If he quits
UCLA he loses all of that.Utah's highest paid assistant makes about
$140,000. Utah can't afford the $500,000 difference, so they'll have to wait
until Norm is fired.UCLA wants a 49ers coach as their new OC, but
they can't afford to keep Chow on as a position coach.It's a high
stakes game of chicken with Chow and UCLA. Chows is not going to walk away from
a $1 million ($500,000 for two years), so UCLA and Chow will have to come to
some sort of compromise, or Norm will be staying at UCLA.How long
can Utah afford to wait with recruiting season in high gear?
And the tds trolls are praying Chow doesn't end up at the U.Chow has
forgot more about football than Doman knows about football.If BYU
could afford Chow, they would have went after him.
Most success in coaching is not only the coach's own ability but who he works
for. Chow worked great with Lavell Edwards and Pete Carroll, not so great with
Jeff Fisher (Titans) and Nuehisel (UCLA). Nuehisel wants to install a pistol
offense and sent his offensive coaches to Nevada last summer to learn it first
hand from Chris Ault. This must of come as a surprise to Chow who has always
been a pro set type of coach. I think Nuehisel and Chow rubbed each other wrong
but it is interesting that UCLA still signed Chow to a new contract extension
just recently. Whittingham and Chow go way back to the days Kyle played and was
a graduate assistant coach at BYU. As Humphrey Bogart said to Claude Reins in
the movie "Casablanca", "I think this could be the beginning of a
Sounds like chow is going to take his chances at unemployment rather than coach
at the newest door mat of the pac 11-1/2. . . .wise choice. Not much talent left
on the hill...
Good hire by the Utes.
@Real Bass. Wow, with those kinds of analogies you should go into politics.
While I don't disagree that Chow would be better served just retiring into the
sunset, the comparison seems a stretch. Chow went to USC (after a year with
Philip Rivers) and ended up turning around Carson Palmer's whole career. He
then took Matt Leinart and made him a star as they won an NC Both Palmer and
Leinart credit Chow for their success. Chow arguably had more success with USC
than at BYU. If anything your analogy applies when Chow went back to UCLA after
being at USC. Coming back to Utah where he originally went to school and lived
most of his life is a little different from Favre going to the Vikings.
Note the parallels between Chow and Brett Favre. Both left the teams that they
made their names with under unfavorable conditions. Both bounced around other
places with varing degrees of success before tying in with their home boys most
hated rival. In the end both will fail miserably with the hated
rival and limp off to obscurity... Or Chow could turn the u down and maintain
his sanity. You think you have a problem with Y fans now, just tie in with Wit
and co! Don't walk all over your legacy! Stay in California.
Good pick up.
Great pick up by Coach Whit. We truly have a great head football coach.
Sounds like an upgrade to me
Well that half of the story turns out to be true...so one down and one to go.
Tim Davis will be a great fit!!!!!Go Utes!!!