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Condoleezza Rice at BYU: Improved education should be among top priorities for U.S.

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  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Jan. 15, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    It is our fault for all the the problems we face. We elected them. If you want good governemnt, elected someone NOT seeking office. Go to your meetings and listen to people who don't really want to, but will serve when called on. Look for people who have the ideals you think would make the best representative. Then you will have good governemnt.

  • Heidi71 Kearns, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    What a wonderful speech by a wonderful woman! Luckily my children are being educated at home where they get real history lessons. Where their elem. school would be teaching about taking care of the environment and appreciating diversity. Yes, we do learn those things too, but I'm glad that my 3rd grader is learning about the revolutionary war and my 1st grader is learning about classical Greece.

    And I love Rice comment about how the arts are also important in education.

    But did not like the photo and feature of the 15 BYU students who protested this special guest. Case in point at where our educational system has failed. They have no sense of history, are not well-informed in current event and that so-called "peace" symbol is offensive. It originally was the symbol of the upside-down crucifixion of the Apostle Peter. I think it's a symbol of hate.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Jan. 14, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    Pagan:

    Perhaps if we were better educators (parents especially) our children would find better ways to solve disputes than killing one another.

    Worf:

    I agree that we can have better education on less money. It starts at home. Instead of letting our children have unlimited screen time, lets push them outside so they can discover the real world. American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children under 3 not have ANY screen time -- zero. How many children in the US under the age of 3 meet that ideal?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Blah blah blah! We can have better education on half the money. We need leaders who are frugal.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    ...and everyones' bias came out. Sad state of our nation where there seems to no longer be any common goals. What goals and aims there are unfortunately have taken a partisan tilt to the extreme (thanks much to those who make millions profiting from such divisiveness) where everybody blames everybody else for what is wrong but never points the fingers back at themselves. Will mock, disdain, and blame even if we have scant evidence to back it up. I think our forefathers would be ashamed at what we have become. We have time to change from this path, question is, will we?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    @Anonymous Infinity

    "get back to pro business and private sector"

    I hate to interrupt your ranting but I'd like to note that 3rd quarter corporate profits were at an all time high. If Obama is anti-business... he's not doing a very good job of it.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    The best evidence of Condoleeza Rice's assertion that America's education system is failing can be found just by reading the responses to her remarks here.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    'This issue is about saving our nation from ignorance. It transcends political rhetoric and wars.' - metamoracoug | 9:42 p.m.

    If your children are dead, how can they learn?

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    Sounds like she did what she always does, give a lot of lip service and double talk. Rice is the last person to rely on any advice from, she couldn't even run a day care center.

    What does imporved education mean? Spend more money on wastes in education? Improved eduction is teaching educations, not job training for business. It's time for eduction and business to part their ways so eduction does become the primary objective of all schools and the teachers in them. That is what teachers want to do, educate not job training.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    ashcroftgm,

    A couple questions:

    1. Can you find a period of time when climate was not changing?

    2. Is the heat from the sun a constant?

    3. Could you provide evidence of how carbon emissions changes weather?

  • ashcroftgm Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    I found Rice very impressive; I particularly liked her viewpoints on education. However, I must question her party's commitment to education; it seems that the GOP is currently more interested in national defense budgets than in education budgets. She also mentioned the Bush administration's commitment to national security, yet she neglected to mention that the Bush Administration totally ignored one of the biggest global threats to security: climate change. Climate change will displace more people and cause more social upheaval than any amount of religious radicalism, yet the Bush Administration ignored the overwhelming consensus on the issue and refused to take action to limit carbon emissions. One thing that this article didn't mention, but which was included in this speech, was Rice's advocacy of decreased financial regulations. This advocacy on her part seemed absurd to me, as it was a lack of regulation of over-the-counter derivatives/credit default swaps which caused the banking crisis. Yes, we should not over-regulate, as this will stifle growth, but where no regulation has previously been exercised there is an essential need for effective rules to ensure financial security.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    Let's finish the job! Get government out of Afganistan and education. It's just that simple.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    It seems that we have missed one important point of Ms. Rice's presentation: education and democracy are inseparable. Unfortunately, even our "educated elite" are no longer able to think for themselves (conservative, liberal, or any flavor in between).

    I feel very fortunate to have been raised by parents who -- though not college educated -- felt it was important for their children to seek higher education. I believe Ms. Rice is attempting to work much good by raising the expectation that education become a greater priority. You know, perhaps spending millions of dollars on star teachers instead of useless, unproductive athletes. We have no problem shelling out thousands of dollars for a football game, but complain bitterly when our child's teacher asks for a box of kleenex.

    This issue is about saving our nation from ignorance. It transcends political rhetoric and wars.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    I'm guessing that over 90% of you respondents didn't go to the speech nor watch it live on BYU TV. I did go the the Marriott Center and attend the speech live. The whole jist of this speech was, to succeed in spite of your circumstances and surroundings. She gave ample examples from her own life as well as her parents and grandparents. Her message was to be optimistic, and that she'd never play Carnegie Hall.

    One thing she said was that due to the edumacation system, we are growing a generation of unemployable people who won't have the skills to compete in the current and future markets and will have to rely on the government. Not something we want.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    @Moderate

    "The United States has a job to help wounded states heal not just because democracy is morally right, but also because it's practical for the health of a global community" - Condaleezza Rice.

    You forgot the part where the top thing Republicans want to cut is foreign aid. So apparently that means the only form of helping wounded states heal is via invasions.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Wow, we've gone from finishing the job in Afghanistan to a 100-year-old socialist conspiracy theory. Way to keep things no point!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    Ok Sokol, believe what you want! Other men and women will keep you safe.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    @MajMarine

    With all due respect, the one thing that I see that might be a little twisted is your understanding of the limited powers of government. The U.S. government is empowered to "PROVIDE for the common defense" and "PROMOTE" (not provide) welfare.

    Please stop trying to force me to pay for your college education, health bills, food, clothing, housing, tickets to Disneyland or whatever else you feel is your entitlement by virtue of being a U.S. citizen. I'm doing all I can just to take care of my own family's needs.

    If you really need something from me, please ask. I will do my best to accommodate you. But remember this. I'm not very good at taking orders from strangers.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    Dear Sokol:

    Excuse me. What is bankrupting the country is the plethora of liberal social programs hatched over the past 100 years, including the income tax amendment to the Constitution. And the liberal dominated Congress has exacerbated this issue since 2006, led by Pelosi, Reed and now Obama for the past 2 years.

    Hopefully, the conservatives will take control of the Senate and the White House in 2012 and get back to pro business and private sector and downsize the government, including states and communities, who have also run amuck.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Mountainman: that is such nonsense...Stop letting people scare you about the boogieman aka Taliban. I have no personal gripe. We could send in 100 Green Beret and 100 sharp shooting mountain men and have these twerps anihilated. I believe we are in some messy quagmire for oil and for Haliburton. This is worse than Vietnam. I think our politicians really do not care what the people want... We need to be out of these dumb, pointless wars that hawkish conservatives push on us.. I am a conservative, but
    believe a beer summit is in order and cheaper.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    @MajMarine:

    Steal from the "rich" and give it to the "poor". How about those morals??

    I presume your solution for the "homeless, jobless, and hungry" is to TAKE assets from those INDIVIDUALS willing to WORK HARD and PUT THEIR NECKS ON THE LINE, and then GIVE those ASSETS to those who are UNWILLING to do the same - do I have that about right??

    Set me straight.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Re: Sokol..Why are we fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq?
    Because there are evil and designing forces on the earth that want to murder you and make you convert to their religion so your wife and daughter will have to wear burkas. If we don't stop them, they will succeed! God bless the USA and those men and women who protect it!

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    LP Grad--it's not hateful or pessimistic to question the rhetoric of someone who was part of a neo-con faction which lied to and mislead a frightened American people into a misguided and illegal war. Dr. Rice is an intelligent person, who's political game playing has helped to cripple our standing in the world community. PS--Do you notice how I'm disagreeing with you without being hateful? We have a President who expects that of us now.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    Britt was quoted in the last paragraph of the article as saying "someone who is intelligent is leading".

    The problem is, Britt, Rice is no longer leading and Obama and Hillary are!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    If Afghan troops entered the shores of the U.S. in a "peace keeping" mission in order to make America a more stable and free "democracy", I suppose I too could be compelled to consider hiding in caves and banding together with so-called terrorists.

    Let me make it perfectly clear that I do not condone any form of violence, foreign or domestic except in the right to protect one's self in the pursuit of life, liberty and property.

    If we are truly rooting out terrorism against U.S. interests, we would not only occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, we would have to maintain troops in virtually every country in the world including Canada, the UK and Russia.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Gosh, how was Afghanistan "wounded"? And just how will we know that the "job" there has been finished? So far, we've put Kabul under the rule of some big-time thieves and done precious little for the rest of the country. I propose a sticker for the president's shaving mirror: "Afghanistan has NEVER been successfully occupied. They neither asked for, nor especially desire democracy. We went there to route bad guys from some caves, and they got away. When the Afghans want to change their country, they'll tell the guy peddling new bombs to go home and call Coca Cola to come take his place. And the country has no oil, either."

  • LP Grad, BYU Alum Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    I wish the DNEWS wouldn't publish little 4-paragraph snipbits of articles, then go back and finish the whole two or three page story later in the day. The headline and body of this article are totally misleading.

    Rice, while she did mention Afghanistan briefly, did not go into an hour-long speech about the merits of the war. That was not the purpose of her speech, and I wish that all who were NOT in attendance today would refrain from commenting until they've read a transcript of what she said.

    Dr. Rice focused mostly on being optimistic in our goals and on working for a better, brighter America. As she said, those things that once seemed like impossibilities now in retrospect, seemed inevitable. To think that the USSR would fall and Obama would go to a NATO summit in Latvia, and to think that a black girl from Birmingham could become USSOS, they were impossibilities not too long ago. Progress is made from dreaming big and working hard. Her message was to have hope, find your passion, and go as far as you can go.

    Please don't tarnish her remarks with pessimistic, hateful diatribe.

  • MajMarine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Moderate | 1:17 p.m. Jan. 13, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    "The United States has a job to help wounded states heal not just because democracy is morally right, but also because it's practical for the health of a global community" - Condaleezza Rice.

    Really? The Republican position is that we must heal foreign nations, but healing American citizens (i.e. health care) is NOT morally right, and is NOT practical for the health of the our national community? What a twisted philosophy to place the well being of foreign nationals above your own citizens"

    What a twisted line of reasoning. Before we even begin to discuss the false premise of your argument, what, exactly, is your point? BTW--is it morally right for anyone to be homeless? Jobless? Hungry? (Fill in the blank)? Give me your list of 'moral rights' and then, please,tell me how you propose to ensure that we all sh are equally in your 'moral rights'.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    The American dream is dead to only those who are in the industrial military complex - Cheney, Bush, Rice ...
    Things will never be like they were post WWII when the world was terrified that they too may get their civilians nuked by another twisted administration. (Even Eisenhower, a Republican, condemned the Truman administration for deliberately killing civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
    The good ol' days of America are gone leaving the smartest or most well-connected achieving the American dream. But if tax dollars were to be spent on R&D for say, green industry ... who knows?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    '@Pagan - Term limits caused them to not finish the job, not the people involved.' - Johnny Triumph | 1:22 p.m.

    9/11 happened in 2001. 7 months into George W. Bush's 1st presidency.

    The US invaded Afghanistan on 10/07/2001.

    George W. Bush left office in 01/20/2009.

    That leaves almost 7 years to complete Afghanistan.

    And yet, the call continues to go out for Obama to finish it in 2.

    The claim of 'term limits' causing Bush not to finish Afghanistan is false. At this point, he had more than TRIPLE the time for Obama to get us out of Afghanistan.

    And failed to do so.

    Igualmente | 1:12 p.m. does bring up a good point. America has been in S. Korea since 1954.

    Rice's call too 'complete' the job in Afghanistan is only grandstanding.

    As 1) History shows us we will not.

    and 2) She did not when she was part of the administration that factually started Afghanistan.

  • gdanger Layton, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    What a bunch of baloney! Her and the other Neo-Conservatives have no intention of leaving Afghanistan! The continual Wars & Nation Building will go on under the guise of War on Terror. We should be more concerned with protecting Our Own Borders & Building Our own Nation! When will We as a people Awake to Our Awful Situation???
    SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Bring them Home!!!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    @Pagan - Term limits caused them to not finish the job, not the people involved.

    Interesting to see Rice speaking at BYU and yesterday the U announcing the Tuesday's with Morrie guy as their commencement speaker. What a disparity between the two institutions...

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    "The United States has a job to help wounded states heal not just because democracy is morally right, but also because it's practical for the health of a global community" - Condaleezza Rice.

    Really?

    The Republican position is that we must heal foreign nations, but healing American citizens (i.e. health care) is NOT morally right, and is NOT practical for the health of the our national community?

    What a twisted philosophy to place the well being of foreign nationals above your own citizens.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    We will never bring the troops home! Sec. Rice knows that if you bring the troops home, then you bring the war home. Fight the bad guys on their turf. Unfortunately, US military lives will continue to be lost in this cause in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, to protect us here at home. We will never retreat from liberating the captive around the world. We never came home from Germany, Japan, or Korea. We have bases still in operation around the world. Liberty will roll forth until it fills every corner of the earth.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    'At BYU, Condoleezza Rice says U.S. must complete job in Afghanistan' - Title

    You mean the job in afghanistan, that factually started under the administration you were a part of.

    That job.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Rice is a nice person.

    However, I continue to hear the calls of 'finish the job'...

    that others started and failed to finish themselves.

  • ljeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    The only useful question is: are we making more terrorists than we are preventing by contuing our occupation of Afghanistan? I'm not qualified to answer that question. I'd like to see the evidence.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Who is protesting Rice?

  • Murray Dad Murray, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Interesting headline "..complete the job in Afghanistan.."
    I agree that it would be more effective to promote peace and stability by building schools and sustainable agriculture than remote control bombing. It is, perhaps, ironic it was during Ms. Rice tenure as USSOS that Bin Laden made his escape from Bora Bora.
    Mission Accomplished?

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Why are people not drawing the conclusion that the huge expense of two wars over a ten year period by both a Republican and a Democrat has bankrupted our nation? As they say, we are a 'nation of sheep led by wolves.'

  • Question Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Are the people who protest Rice "Racist"? Or just those who protest Obama?

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    I too believe that the US should not be engaged in these wars for the purpose of nation building. On the other hand, I see a legitimate US interest in protecting ourselves from terrorist regimes, and Rice's linking the war in Afghanistan to this interest is not entirely without merit. I think the answer is to find ways to protect ourselves in our own country and to support democracy abroad through less costly means than military action. I don't think it was an entirely bad thing to oppose communist totalitarianism in Vietnam either, but as with Afghanistan, I think there are other ways to protect ourselves from and oppose evil regimes and their ideologies. One way is to not engage in commerce with the regimes or their ideological partners, and this includes oil, especially since we have plenty of our own right here in America. A little more isolationism and protectionism is exactly what America needs at this point in history.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Somebody please tell me as a conservative, why are we spending so much of our money, giving tons of resources and losing young American lives for a cause that is even more worthless than Vietnam. I wish conservatives would not always blindly agree with everything Hannit and Limbaugh say. I am conservative in so many issues, but this war is for nothing. We do not even hear about it. I am sick over these never ending wars. As someone who proudly is part of the John Birch Society, I totally condemn our war in Afghanistan.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    I liked the relationship she was drawing between optimism and entitlement-based thinking. It was interesting to think about the idea that entitlement-based thinking comes from a lack of optimism about the future and that entitlements may encourage pessimism, which creates a cycle.

    She also gave her parents props for the way her life turned out. (Not programs, policies, etc.).