Say it ain't so Joe!
Sweet. Another thing for Y fans to whine and moan about in their jealous
insecurity. It's another story about Utah; get ready BYU moths the flame of
success is burning on the hill in SLC so you better come with your dribble
oozing with jealousy. Welcome back to the U Coach Chow. PAC 12 is so much
better than quitting I mean independence.
...And the Utes can't afford to buy out Boylen's contract.It seems
that the Utes are spending all of their money on football. Now if they can pull
Lavell out of retirement, they will have gotten the band back together.Let's just remember Dr. Hill as the man that put Utah basketball on the map
with Majerus, and put them back in the closet.
This is the way to make a splash going to the Pac12. Both these guys have Utah
ties, and experience at pro and elite college levels. I love it. Can't wait
for the announcement.Veritas.I think Hill will do
everything possible to make as big a splash for bball as well.
Wow. If Norm Chow comes to Utah I would be ecstatic! I really hope this happens!
Veritas Aequitas Utah was pretty successful overall in B-ball before Majerus
(NIT and NCAA Championships). Majerus maybe took them the furthest in recent
history but overall the record is pretty solid. But I agree with you that Dr.
Hill has made two very poor B-Ball coach hires.
Isn't he the guy that BYU fired?
Many elite basketball programs are looking to rebound right now North Carolina,
UCLA and Arizona among them. Utah will get back on track as it has in the past.
Utah has been through this before. Don't be too hard on Chris Hill for past
hires. He was turned away by many big name coaches when Majerus left simply
because they didn't want to follow the big guy.
I think this story is interesting in that it may spell Whittingham's desire to
move away from the spread offense, and towards more of a West Coast offense.
The next few days should be fascinating.
Chow is a decent guy, but he hasn't fared well as a coordinator at UCLA.
Conference records of 3-6, 3-6, and 2-7 don't inspire much confidence.
I think I am good with Chow and Davis. They are just coming home
since they both played at graduated at the U. Great hires from Coach Whit and
the perfect move going into the PAC-12. Doman could be a decent
hire, but I will go ahead and say that a recent track record of QB's such as
Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart is pretty solid. Davis worked
for Barry Alvarez, Pete Carroll and Nick Saban over the years. I
would say Utah's offense just got a major upgrade with experienced Coaches and
back to back great recruiting classes.
Welcome back to the Beehive State, Norm. It'll be fun watching your Offense
Addendum: Overall records of 4-8, 7-6, and 4-8 at UCLA don't inspire much
confidence in Coach Chow as of late either. I suppose there is always a
possibility that he will suddenly perform better against the same opponents.
This is a great move. Experience, recruiting, Pac 10 knowledge, Etc.
Hawkeye79 is right. The shine is off of Chow and has been for some time. U are
welcome to him.U are getting pretty desperate aren't U?
Yep he's another BYU retread. You guys are welcome to him.
Serious? Really?Isn't he ready to retire?Well, it really doesn't matter who coaches--the problem the U has
in the PAC what-ever-it-is--NO depth. Two or three injuries and
they are done.That isn't going to change for about 10 years...if
ever...ask Arizona and Arizona State...
First class comments from some of our bYu brethren about a coach that was a huge
part of their program for over twenty years.
Utah has had great recruiting classes. They have had more talent than BYU, based
on the number of players drafted. However, they have also
underperformed with that NFL talent. The recruiting season is not over but I
see no compelling reason why Utah will be much better next year than this year.
Experienced coaches can help if it is a matter of changing Xs and Os
and game adjustments. Younger coaches like Doman can help because of
personality, attitude and relationships with younger players in spite of lacking
experience. I suspect Utah will be decent as they have a lot of
talent. Since the South PAC is weak Utah may do reasonably well next year. They
are going to need all of the depth they can recruit. Chow and Davis
may help in recruiting CA? That alone is a big positive. Utah should
start picking up a few recruits who would normally go to USC (due to NCAA
Hmm. As a BYU fan who had no opinion about The University of Utah before moving
to Utah and meeting the people who pretend to be Ute "fans," I would
be pleased to see this happen. I really don't think Norm Chow is what he still
convinces some hapless employers that he is. I was mixed on whether
or not The Utes could do okay in the PAC-12. This move seems looks like a
mistake I can get behind.
Rock Of The Marne What makes you think BYU fans will even care if
Norm Chow returns to Utah after more than half a century?Talk about
I'm not sure why there is negativity from the BYU fans on Chow. He hasn't done
well at UCLA but if you follow college football you will also know they have not
had the players. When he joined they had the youngest offense in the country.
He hasn't had a single year with a healthy quarterback to work with. And the
Oline has been atrocious due to young players and injuries. It takes both
players and coaches to succeed and UCLA has not had the players. I think this
is a good hire for Utah and will help them in a number of areas. I'm just
surprised to see Chow accepting it as he seems to be about retirement age and
there are better things to do than move back to SL and coach the Utes.
Wow! Expect to see the Utes go more into the air from the spread offense.Yes, Norm was at BYU. But, he was also part of the team that brought
the BCS Championship to USC. As well as winning seasons for the NFL Titans. A few things worth mentioning!
Norm Chow?Really?While you're at it Utah, I hear that
Chris Pella, Roger French, Dick Felt, and Ted Tollner are also available.Wow, retread hardly applies.Chow had lost his mojo all
through the 90's at BYU. His play calling became too conservative and stale.Just hope he does not zone in on a pet qb ala Kevin Feterik, it will set
you back 10 years.He fell into NC State with Rivers (not his
recruit), he fell into USC with Palmer and Leinert, again (not his recruits)And when the cupboard is not full, we saw what he did at UCLA.He's all yours Utes. Good Luck.
Seems to me Chow wins when he has good players, doesn't win when his players
aren't as good. Gee, go figure.For all Yewts who think he is your
salvation, don't forget what your misguided arrogance had you believing 8 games
into last football season - Rose Bowl, undefeated season, national champtionship
to name a few.Chow will do well at Utah if you have good players,
not so well if you don't.
The BYU faithful look down on Coach Chow and I cannot understand why. They keep
churning through O coordinators and continue to criticize their own. I am not
100% sold on the hire either, however Coach Chow has done his best work after
leaving the Y. In my opinion that is why the cougar fans dislike him so much. It
is clearly a case of sour grapes. The move could really pay off if Coach A Rod
stays and mentors under him along with Coach Johnson. The two young coaches
could really benefit from his experience and knowledge. Let's face it the man
has a ton of knowledge to impart, and the recruits love him, just ask Langi
about his excitement level.Go Utes
BugoffWith a questionable QB, even if Wynn returns healthy, new
running backs, and many other holes to fill, the Utes will be lucky to win 8
games next year.
So bring in Chow and does this not mean that Whit was not satisfied with the OC
from last year. So let me get this straight if this happens is it good for the
program but bad when Bronco did it 2 weeks ago. I may not be the brightest bulb
in the box but is it not the same. I want the Ute fans to explain this I think
it will be very interesting to hear the spin on this.
I've never been able to figure out Norm Chow. He is the golden boy when he had
heisman winning quarterbacks. But he is horrible with average QBs (0 points last
time his team came to Provo). So the question I've always had is does Norm make
the QB or does the QB make Norm? His experience and recruiting will
only make them better. I think it is a great move. Besides, I couldn't run away
from Neihuisel (sp) fast enough. That guy is a train wreck.
Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without! That Whit is sure a frugal
Norm Chow? Really? there is a reason why this guy bounces around the past few
years. I think this would be his 5th stop since he left the Y. RED FLAG!!! As a
U fan, why do we have to always hire ex-BYU players and coaches? I hear Roger
French and Dick Felt are available. Maybe LaVell could become our D-line coach?
Keep A-Rod as OC, not Chow!!
Norm has a home in Provo still, I believe. Good luck to him, and to
the Utes 51 weeks a year.
Glad to hear Chow is coming to Utah. Great news for both Ute and Cougar fans.
It will help Utah sell season tickets as they face a 6 win season. It will
help the Cougars every time they play Utah. Mr. Chow seemed to disappear at
UCLA. I am hoping he can do the same for Utah. Further, the BYU fans will
know what the Utes are going to run on every down. It's a good thing for
In addition to Stanford, Chow has officially interviewed for the head coaching
jobs of the NFL's Arizona Cardinals; and, the NCAA's North Carolina State
University, the University of Kentucky, and the University of Hawaii.Chow was a candidate to replace Karl Dorrell at UCLA, but withdrew his
candidacy soon after interviewing. Chow was also considered to replace June
Jones at the University of Hawaii.Has Dr. Chow given up on a Head
Deaar DC. Norm Chow left on his own will to seek what he felt were greener
pastures. Get your facts straight.Hedgehog, wonderful play on
words.Utah needs some serious help. They continued their slide
downhill the second half of the season. Only because one player did not do
their part and allowed someone to block the field goal did Utah beat BYU. Utah
will be better with these two coaches. Still, BYU will be better.
One thing which is great is that we will have our kicker back and he
consistently put them in our through the endzone, which eliminates kick returns.
Jack will be better and the return to the attitude that we do not drop passes
at BYU will mean they move the ball. It just looks great for BYU.As
for BYU "quitting" that is a typical Utah troll comment. I guess Utah will be happy to play each year in the Las Vegas Bowl because
that is where they will finish each year in the PAC 12 as a 4th place team.
Must gall those who accused BYU of only making it to the Las Vegas Bowl.
I'll take Chow any day over an unproven Doman as an offensive coordinator. All
these negative posts sound a lot like more jealous little brother syndrome!!
BYU fan here:Chow's a great hire for the U, in my opinion.
Definitely an upgrade. Ol' Rock of the Marne needs to chill out. A
little too riled up there man.Anyways, last time Chow came to BYU
was a few years back with UCLA. BYU won 59-0. So, yep: no problems here!
Im a BYU fan and I think the hire of Norm Chow would be great for Utah. His
offense is great, his recruiting is great, and he can develop quarterbacks. I
appreciated his time at BYU and was sad to see him leave. I wish him and the U
luck in the Pac 12 and in all there games except when you play the Cougars.
Another great move by the best coach in college football, Kyle Whittingham.Let's face it, Norm Chow loves Utah, but he wasn't treated
professionally at BYU. At BYU, Norm was subjected to prejudice and racial
slurs. This was even reported by the Deseret News in 2003 in the article
"Racial Slur Elicits Apology At Y". If any of you are
interested in the treatment Norm received at BYU, I would encourage you to read
the above article. Norm certainly deserved better treatment from BYU.Let's hope that Norm's return to coaching at Utah can erase the bitter taste
left in his mouth from his previous experience at BYU.
Good luck, Utes! This will give you the clear advantage over your new conference
rivals (Washington St)... Heck of a move.Yawn.P.S. When
will they unveil the name of your basketball arena? Can't wait to see the shiny
new words "Jimmer's House".
Resident1 - The name of the BYU arena has been "Andre Miller's
Playground" for years.
@UU32I can see where you'd say that, but we've nicely worked past
that. When your basketball team can do ANYTHING at all, we'll let the
"Jimmer's House" title drop. Until then, the MC North will be a fun
venue for BYU.
A norm chow as Offensive Coordinator PAC10 team came to Provo and lost 55 to
0.Just kidding - this is a big pick up for Utah. He is a great Man
who get amazing quarterback to play for him and he has won a 3 Heisman Trophies.
Winn is not the guy, and Utah will still struggle next year. Utah's offensive will struggle because of a weak offensive line and an
freshman running back (who will be amazing eventually)
@ rock of marneHave fun being the bottom dweller at the pac 12.
Some white boy lit you up for 47 who can't even dunk and your football team was
demolished by an non ranked team in their bowl.
Relax boys, it;s only a rumor.
This would be a huge get for the U. I really dislike the U, but this guy will be
great for them. He will find good QB's and make them great. I bet the first
thing he does is bench Wynny and find a QB that will play the QB spot in the
right way. Good luck to the U. This would be a huge pick up for them.
Hey Utah, while your at it, I hear Gary Crowton is available. Little brother
always goes to big brother for mentoring, help and advise. Shows how well BYU's
influence has been on the U! Oh by the way, Jimmer's still scoring!
Hey Norm,I thought the "pay for assistant coaches was comical at the
U"?(2003) What's with all these ex-BYU players and coaches coaching up on
BYU fans could very well be in a simlar position to Kyle was shortly. Kyle went
for the young position coach as his OC, and it just hasn't worked out
consistently. Donko is now trying the same approach. Granted, playing an
independent schedule that consists of half WAC teams is nowhere near the
competition of the Pac-12, so perhaps that will negate Doman looking overwhelmed
right away.This is a perfect scenario for Utah. A-Rod and BJ can
learn from a nationally respected OC for 3-5 years until he's ready to hang it
up. Instead of being left to learn on the job from each other, they now have a
strong leader to learn from.Not to mention how this affects
recruiting. Do BYU fans remember all of the top Utah football players who
picked USC or UCLA the last decade? Do they remember who the lead recruiter for
almost all of them was? Because Utah fans remember very vividly, and that coach
is now part of the U.
@ Hawkeye79 and Bluto,As a Ute fan, I am not sure how I would feel about
Chow coaching at Utah, but you two canceled out each others comments. Chow
didn't fare well at UCLA, but he didn't have any talent. As Bluto says, Chow
does very well when he has talent.Well, guess what, The Utes have
Talent!!!Having said that, I don't really know how good he is at making
adjustments during the game.Whatever happens,Go Utes!!!
RE: Balan... seriously? You're gonna talk about 'arrogance'? This coming from a
fan base that made up 'Quest shirts' (I'm sure you still wear yours proudly) and
chanted 'BCS' when breaking huddles? Everyone knows that ybu is the perennial
pre-season National Champions right!?
Norm Chow had such a good record at UCLA! He is going to have an ever better
winning percentage now that he will have Jordan Wynn going up against the exact
same teams! Go Utes! Go Jordan Wynn's mustache!
Re: J. Newey.... "What is with all the ex-ybu players and coaches up on the
hill?" you ask... Its pretty much common sense... They've all seen the
@SoCalUteYou're right. It takes real talent for Wynn to trip over
himself when pulling back in the pocket. He also has a great sense for the
sidelines. Good relationship with them too. I think they've become his favorite
go-to players when he's in trouble. Very talented... Yep.All that
talent really fared well against TCU, Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State.
@Ute4lifeI know the light you're talking about.. They call it a bug
zapper. Utes see the light, follow the light, and ZAP! You're down 40-0 against
Once again, the U looks to big brother for help righting the ship. Getting quite
a few of the Y alum and past coaches up there aren't you? I don't blame you. I
hope Norm is successful there and that he can help keep utah competitive in the
PAC.Norm Chow was an innovator at BYU. He was on the leading edge because
he was at BYU under Lavell Edwards who was himself a hall of fame level
innovator(I give some credit to Norm for Lavells and BYU's success). Reality is
that the rest of College football has caught up with Norm. He is just one of
many peddling the same style offense. Defenses have evolved and adjusted. As was
mentioned above, he will likely be successful if he has good players, less
likely if he does not. Norm is not the difference maker he once was. Look at his
teams records since he left the Y. Good luck Norm. It will be good to have
you back in the state.
When I read about Norm Chow this morning, I immediately got on Cougar Board to
see how our disloyal, unrealistic fans were reacting. Sure enough, there are
dozens, maybe hundreds, of comments denigrating Norm Chow and ridiculing Utah
for hiring him. Norm Chow, Dudes.Norm Chow is one of, if not the
most, successful D-1 offensive coordinator in the history of the NCAA. He is as
much, if not more, to thank for BYUs past successes as LaVell Edwards.
Everywhere hes gone hes brought success with him. Hes coached several Heisman
winners and honed and refined BYUs commitment to and expertise in passing the
football. The entire NCAA, and the NFL, now uses Chows offense or derivatives
of his offense. He is football genius. Norm actually graduated
from Utah and played there as a student athlete. He is not only a great
offensive strategist and organizer, he has always been a Ute. Now, hes going
back home to where the fans wont turn on him after a QB throws an incomplete
re: J1234 ... Is that the same bug zapper that sent Brandon Burton sailing
through the air to block your boyfriend's field goal attempt?
If Norm helps the U move from a spread offence, then all the better. The spread
offense is too slow at developing. These days to compete at the top, you need
to be quick...particularly if you don't have the size of your opponents!
Oregon,CU, BSU...they all have quick offenses that help offset the size of the
power house teams! They can play at the top level, because their plays don't
take an ice age to develop. That said..until the U get's Wynn to more...then
it's going to continue to be easy for opponents to corral him. Let me guess
what he's going to do???? Oh yeah...sit in the pocket that is getting
overwhelmed by the other teams huge line and blitzes!!!!
TJ et al...All you zoobs keep referring to yourselves as 'big brother'. Are you
really that insecure? Do you really feel that small next to the PAC-12 and two
BCS wins under our belt? Keep telling yourselves you're big brother... but as of
this last season... you're probably closer to little sister in the State of Utah
considering you lost to BOTH teams up North.
"He is as much, if not more, to thank for BYUs past successes as LaVell
Edwards."Norm was a big part of BYU's success, but he was a
tradesman; LaVell was the architect.Even a tradesman, however, needs
raw materials to work with and Utah's offensive cupboard for next season is
nearly bare.The main reason Norm Chow left BYU is he wanted to be a
head coach and BYU wasn't willing to offer him that job. His track record since
he left BYU shows that BYU made the correct assessment of his potential as a
head coach. Like Gary Crowton proved, being a great offensive
coordinator doesn't necessarily translate into being a great head coach. They're
completely different skill sets.
Wow...now that would be something that the Y would have a hard time living down.
I hate to admit it but it would serve us right. One of the biggest
admistrative blunders ever in BYU sports. Despite what anyone has to say about
Norm Chow...he should have been Lavell Edwards replacement. Crowton...
although another good Offensive Coach was the wrong person...and there still
remains today little doubt about the mistake that was made at the time.If this were to be true Kyle Whitingham has pulled off one of the greatest
sporting coups of all time. Neuheisel...UCLA's present Head Coach has a bad
knact of making every program he takes over a disaster area. Look what he did
to Colorado...then again at Washington and now UCLA despite having Chow . Coach
Donahue would have given Chow a freer rein to run the Offense. Neuheisel micro
manages and runs assistants crazy second guessing their every decision. Pete
Carrol at USC utilized Chow very effectively while Carson Palmer and Lienart
were qb's there. Carrol's problem was his ego. He couldn't handle that Chow
was seen as the Master and he the apprentice.
I think Jamie Hill might be available as well.Seriously though, Chow
would likely do a fine job. It would be interesting to see what happened as
Welcome home guys! Back where you belong!!
Where's Stockton ???What makes you think Chow would be a good head
coach?Chow was a good OC at BYU, but I seriously doubt that BYU fans
will be losing any sleep over Chow becoming Utah's OC.If it works
out for Chow at Utah, we wish him well. Having Chow as Utah's OC won't affect
BYU in the slightest.
The Yewets will do very well in the PAC-12. There isn't any Pac-12 team they
can't beat, on any given day of the week. There is no differecnec between the
MWC and the PAC. The Yewets will lose to BYU, but play in the
conference championship game and give the UO a run for their money.
I fully disagree with True Blue's assessment...largely because Chow was never
given the opportunity to be a head coach and too much was made by some of the
local media of unsubstanciated rumors that Chow was not a people oriented person
able to relate to his players. Most of that malarky was made to seem real by
local media because Chow sometimes would refuse to talk to them...especially
when the team would lose... He didn't like the media and you can't really blame
him. A certain BYU basketball Coach I remember didn't like the local media
either especially when a mountain was created out of a molehill over a remark
that 13 million people would be disappointed if a certain rcruit picked Duke
over BYU. We all know how that turned out don't we???Anyways...there's no way anyone can make an assessment like that since Chow
has never been a Head Coach. Crowton was given that opportunity. If Jim
Harbaugh does take his Offensive Coordinator with him to the 9er's and Mike
Johnson is out and headed as rumored to UCLA...then just where does that leave
Some posts on here regarding Boylen. You will love this; he was at Alta High
last night watching the Alta VS Lone Peak game. As far as I can tell, there
were TWO D-1 prospects on the floor last night. I believe one is a freshman and
the other a sophomore. BOTH of which have huge ties to BYU. Does Boylen really
think he'll be around in two years to have these kids??? Even if he is, he needs
to be looking elsewhere. The chances of landing them are next to ZERO. And
yes, I am a Utah fan. No wonder they keep losing on the hill. GO AFTER KIDS
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE AT LEAST A SHOT AT GETTING!
@ TrueBlueLosing sleep??? Easy to say with Utah heading off to the
PAC. The rivalry will never be the same... especially due in part with any
scheduled games between the two schools being moved to the preseason. And forget
National Championships don't even bring them into the equation. They shouldn't
be anything more than just an after thought until the preseason is long over and
regular season play is around the halfway mark. Even being independent. That
time slot in late November was always a magical time...especially when a
conference championship going either way was riding the line. I think you
greatly underestimate the situation. Norm Chow still has the ability to bring
sleepless nights to more than just us oldtimers.Scoobie
Where's Stockton,Great points. I think you hit a very painful nerve
with the tds. Deep down, most feel Chow would have been the coach to bridge the
gap after lavelle left. "Differences" occured and I think most tds
fans hoped it would never come back to haunt them......BOO!
@Ute4lifeYou're right, it took Burton's block and a blown call for
your OVERRATED team to beat a bad BYU team.My boyfriend? Wow, that
is a very mature Ute comment. P.S. Who said I was a BYU fan?
"Chow was never given the opportunity to be a head coach"Chow has been gone from BYU for over a decade. How many head coaching jobs has
he had since he left BYU?More importantly, how many successful head
coaching jobs has he had since he left BYU?If he's head coaching
material, why is he coming to Utah to fill the same position he held at BYU over
a decade ago?
@Rock of the Marne It's Nationional Championship...you need to drop
the s. We have loooonnnng ago conseded that Utah does indeed have an NCAAM BB
National Championship trophy collecting a lot more dust than our 84 football
one... but come on that was back when they were still using peach baskets for
rims. The old NIT was sort of used as a measuring stick National Championship
wise but it had a very limited field... unlike the former previous 64 and now 65
team NCAA tournaments of today. And just how many NIT banners are hanging up
north??? BYU has a bunch hanging around...but we don't make a big thing out of
Dr. Chow was key to BYU's NC, and many individual awards.His
seperation from BYU was handled poorly, but is what it is, and things have
worked out nicely for Dr. Chow.The chance to return to coach where
he played his college ball is always an exciting thought.Has anyone
heard if the deal has even been done?
Just so you all know, Norm Chow played his college ball at the U.I
always love it when cougs claim that they made college football and that the
"program" formed these coaches into what they are today. dillusionIf that's the case, why is Bronco your head coach and not K Whitt, who
turned the "program" down?chew on thatIf Chow
does get hired, it is an interesting situation. I think that the Langi decision
and Chow being hired go hand in hand for some reason though.I guess
we will have to see.
This guy has the best OC resume in the country, and it's a real coup for the
Utes if it happens. The odd thing is that given BYU's offense Chow would have
been the perfect hire for them as the premier pro style guru. He would be a
tremendous tutor for Heaps and while he was at USC I recall his saying James
Lark, BYU's backup, was one of the top five high school QBs in the country. At
BYU he would have the type of QB he prefers.Likely had no interst in
BYU, but in terms of a fit, that would have been the obvious choice.
I think the problem at UCLA had more to do with defense than offense. He would
be a great OC from Utah.I think Norm got into a similar situation at
BYU that Anae did and left. He certainly has had a lot of success and I believe
he would do well here.
Ute4lifeI refer to you as little brother for the same reason the Y haters
do it. Cause it get's under your skin. And of course, because it is true. BYU
athletics has been carrying the rest of the WAC and MWC schools for decades.
That is probably why you hate us. You mentioning insecurity is a big laugher.
You spew obsessed, jealousy inspired garbage constantly and then turn your other
face when you get it back. I personally do not feel small at all compared to the
PAC. I am sure that BYU will not either. They will be very successful as an
independent because they are nationally relevant. You have 2 BCS wins. BYU has a
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. All water under the bridge though, right? Keep telling
yourself your not little brother...After a couple of seasons in the PAC you will
be feeling more like the little sister in the State of Utah. Good luck with your
@williaryyou said;"Not to mention how this affects
recruiting. Do BYU fans remember all of the top Utah football players who picked
USC or UCLA the last decade? Do they remember who the lead recruiter
for almost all of them was? Because Utah fans remember very vividly, and that
coach is now part of the U?" Memo to misguided Utes....YOU'RE NOT USC OR UCLA!!! U plays in the 2nd smallest
stadium in the pac-12.They play in the Coliseum with 90k fans and
the Rose Bowl with 70k fans.They have Heismans, Outlands, Davey
Obriens, Doak Walkers, College Hall of Famers, Consensus All-Americans and NC's.
They are "Legend" schools, you know...like BYU.Start by winning more than 3 outright Conference Championships in 53 years, as
you have done, and it would be a good start.But remember, it takes
generations. Not just 2 BCSbowls in 6 years.Chow is a good man
and sent all his kids to BYU. He is greatly appreciated.It was time
for him to move on from BYU. Change is good...does He make Utah a
contender? Not likely
Rock of MarneUtah 1944 NCAA tournament championsUtah 1947 NIT
championsBYU 1951 NIT championsBYU 1966 NIT championsIt
appears that BYU's national championships were much more recent, and thus, much
more relevant than Utah's national championships.In truth, none of
them can be consider "national championships".In 1944, the
NCAA was the new kid on the block and considered the 2nd best tournament of the
day.That's why Utah played in the 1944 NIT first where they were
soundly beaten by Kentucky.By 1947, the NCAA had over-taken the NIT
as the more prestigious tournament, and has been ever since.Besides,
how can you claim a "national championship" when your ENTIRE regular
season schedule consisted of THREE games - two against Idaho State and one
against Colorado College?Utah only played 7 games in 1944 and
finished with a 6-1 record.Feel free to look it up if you don't
believe that.The vast majority of schools suspended their basketball
programs in 1944, and the few remaining teams consisted mostly of Freshmen and
Sophomores because all of the upper-classmen were off fighting a world war.
utahcountyuteYou're welcome to your opinion, but NOBODY considers
Utah the birthplace of the modern collegiate passing game. It certainly wasn't
developed or used at Utah while Chow was playing for the Utes. It wasn't used at
Utah State when LaVell played for the Aggies.LaVell Edwards was a
defensive coach before he became BYU's head coach, but it was LaVell who decided
to implement the passing game at BYU. It was LaVell who assembled the offensive
team that made BYU Quarterback U.There were lots of contributions
from many different coaches, including Norm Chow and Doug Scoville, but it was
LaVell's brainchild.To insinuate that Utah had anything to do with
the development of BYU's passing game is ludicrous.On the other
hand, numerous coaches who learned how to coach at the feet of LaVell, helped
build the Utah program into what it is today.
Truth Machine,Thanks for the history lesson. So, Utah won an NCAA
Tournament Championship is what you are saying? Thanks for clarifying.So is byu's football NC really an NC? I mean, it wasn't in the BCS era. Does
it really count? hmmmmm
Truth Machine,Thanks for the little history lesson. I found a few
nuggets concerning your little *NC84 (that you seem to cling onto for identity.)
Would you like to "discuss" such nuggets or would you simply like to
"look it up"? Either way, it's pretty sad. Seem like the
"truth machine" is broken.
hedgehog:Here's a nugget and history lesson for your nugget. The
NCAA does not endorse a national championship in football. Because of this then
every national championship in colege football is mythical much like you claim
BYU's to be. That means that Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Texas, et al have never
won a NCAA national championship in college football. There are multiple AP
national championships in college football because that's what decided it for a
long time. Guess what? BYU's national championship was awarded by the AP just
like Alabama's and Notre Dames's before them. That means that it is just as
credible and your nuggets are most assuardly not made of gold but rather a more
Hedgehog,Let's look at the here and now: Your football
team exposed by TCU, Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State.Your
basketball team... No need to point out what's been happening at the MC North.
I'd like to see Chow retire in Utah. BYU can't afford him. If he did go back
to the Y we would be ecstatic. So, what is the word for these very few U haters
that claim to be Y fans and bad mouth Coach Chow. sounds like jealousy, so stop
embarrassing us. Norm Chow was great at BYU and unbelievable at USC and did
fairly well with the NFL. Sounds like a coach for the coaches.
J1234,"Let's look at the here and now:"hmmm,
do you really want to go there? I'm guessing you don't have an
mirrors in your moms basement- do you?This has been the ultimate
train wreck of a season/program for the kewgs.
utahcountyute | 3:09 p.m. Jan. 13, 2011 Cedar Hills, UT Just so you
all know, Norm Chow played his college ball at the U.===Seriously, this is fresh to everyone, except those who knew it during the
1970's.Hey, break the news on the '84 BYU National Championship
while you are at it....Really, BYU was NC in 1084. The Utes will use
it if it helps them...
@J1234... I just call em' like I see em'. And what I see is a typical ybu fan
making excuses for losing instead of manning up and accepting being beat by the
Utes. If you're not a ybu fan... please enlighten us all as to which team your
allegiance belongs to.
hedgehog and utahcountyutehere's the most important, indisputable
little nugget about BYU's 1984 National Championship:After careful
scrutiny for over a month and after carefully watching BYU prove their
worthiness in a gutsy win over Michigan in the Holiday BowlBYU was
voted #1 in every major national poll!PROVING that the majority of
poll voters believed that BYU was the MOST DESERVING team to win the 1984
National Championship.From the OFFICIAL NCAA websiteFBS
Football Championship HistoryYear Champion Selecting Organization 1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI 1984 Brigham Young AP,
FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI 1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI Notice, absolutely no difference in the organizations that selected
Oklahoma, BYU and Miami as National Champions.FIVE different
national organizations selected BYU as their 1984 National Champions.Drop by BYU's Sport Hall of Fame sometime to see the trophies, including one
of those crystal football trophies just like the one given to Auburn this week.
"Drop by BYU's Sport Hall of Fame sometime to see the trophies, including
one of those crystal football trophies just like the one given to Auburn this
week"Just the flakes,Actually Auburn got a much
differnt trophy. One which measured the two best teams in the nation. BYU got
nothing more than a goody bag for playing in a mid December scrub bowl against
a team with a .500 record.Very similar to what the tds did this
hedgehogHow do you know that TCU wasn't the best team in the nation
in 2010?BYU was measured in 1984 in exactly the same way Utah was
measured in 2004 and 2008.AP Final PollBYU 1984 #1Utah
2008 #2Utah 2004 #4BYU 1996 #5The Utes just didn't quite
measure up to being voted National Champions.Your misguided opinions
notwithstanding, even the BCS has seldom matched the two undisputed best teams;
in fact, in 2003, the team that finished #1 in the final regular season AP and
Coaches polls, didn't even get invited to the BCS championship game.
#1 is #1 hedgehogWho you play in your bowl has never been a criteria
for being selected #1 in the polls.
@ snackpack... if you think that in 1984 compared to 2004 and 2008 teams were
measured in the same way... you don't know football. You don't even belong on
these message boards.
@HedgehogI love the whole "tds" thing. Most Ute fans I
talk to got really mad when Meyer left your program, yet you guys can't get
enough of his "tds" quote. "We hate him, but we'll quote him
forever." But, I guess if I had to argue with some ute fan in
middle school, that'd probably be the best thing he'd come up with to use as
well. I imagine it would go something like this.Me:
"You're team got exposed.." Middle Schooler (oblivious
ute): "No we didn't, but you guys are the tds!"Haha, way
to get under our skin... oh wait.By the way, remember when you're
talking about BYU's team this year and how bad they were, that you have to
remember Utah's pathetic performance against them. There was nothing more
satisfying (other than a win would have been, I admit) than seeing your chest
thumping "we should be #5 in the nation" get exposed by TCU, Notre
Dame, a bad BYU, and Boise State.Good luck in pac obscurity.
"Resident"... Can you please provide proof of fans etc. saying we
should be #5 in the nation? Exposed? Maybe... but I would rather be exposed by
TCU, Notre Dame and BSU than... shall we say Utah State?I'll ask you
the same thing I've asked all the ybu fans making predictions for Utah in the
PAC12... Did you find that crystal ball that you threw away when you predicted a
BCS run a few years ago when Bradford got hurt and you beat OU? How'd that work
out for ya? I'll keep my eye out for you in your "Quest" shirt... I'm
sure you still wear it proudly.
@blind4lifeLook it up, bro. Obviously nobody is saying that now,
you've been exposed enough.BYU exposed by Utah State? What are you
talking about? We weren't hawking some overrated ranking. Everybody knew BYU was
bad this year. I'm not denying it, am I?Plus, everything you say
against BYU's team this year makes your team look worse. 17-16... awesome win
over such a "exposed team against Utah State." Sorry, that just sounds
dumb.I didn't predict a BCS run... Sorry. Go ahead, find the
stories, read my comments... be my guest.When you're done... realize
it's "BYU". I'm sorry, but when trash talk resorts to
"tds" and "ybu" and even "yewties" (BYU fans) it
gets pretty lame. Hint for talking with the big boys: get over the middle school
talk. utahcountyute | 9:24 a.m. Sept. 22, 2010 Cedar Hills, UT
It is going to be fun to get to those final 5 games AFA,ND,TCU SDSU and
byu. Can't wait. You gotta love college football! Especially when
your team does not have a QB issue and has a great defense. Haha...
Resident... 'big boys'??? Seriously??? That's pretty pathetic in and of itself
right? When you are lil' fellas just gonna man up to a loss to your rival?
Instead of trying to dilute it? A win is a win. Bottom line is we own scoreboard
for the rest of the year. And as far as 'hawking overrated rankings' ... that
title is reserved for ybu. Everyone knows that - according to y fans - your team
is the perrenial pre-season National Champs. Good job on being a self-proclaimed
'big boy' though. Keep up the good work... lil' fella.
@blind4lifeHaha, good job trying to turn that one me.Anyway, I know we lost. We had that kind of season. Again, not denying it.
That's not even the point. Good try though. I don't have to man up to anything,
bud. I mean, look at the caliber team we only lost to by one point:"Chris B | 8:59 a.m. Sept. 22, 2010 Salt Lake City, UT Top 5
in no time.NC game here we come! I've been this team has a legit
chance to make it to the title game. Sure, a couple things have to fall into
place, such as Ohio State, Alabamba losing a game, but those conferences beat up
on each other in conference play that I don't see 2 undefeated teams. I think we
will jump Boise eventually through strength of schedule.I have
validation from Sports Illustrated as well."Hmmmmm.... My
favorite is the part where you guys would jump Boise. Instead you got worked by
Boise's "cheerleaders."Can't get over your fetish for
"ybu" huh? Pity.
@ resident (when you claimed that moniker were you thinking along the lines of
'resident moron')... you see... the difference between the post you looked up
(which illustrates that you have no life whatsoever in looking up posts from
September) and some of your fellow ybu fans is that we don't start talking about
National Championships until the season has actually started. When you print out
thousands of Quest shirts in the summer that is a clear illustration of the
delusion that you live in. Likewise... when a team wins two BCS games in a 5
year span there is more reason to believe that a NC is possible than when a team
hasn't even SNIFFED a BCS game. That said... the Utes pretty much wet the bed
after the TCU loss (up to that point it was a pretty successful season)...
there's no denying that. That loss got in their heads and certainly affected the
rest of their season. I'll continue to use ybu... deal with it... 'bud'.
Looks like Ute4life's been owned.Resident finds quotes to back up
his stuff and you, ute4life, just resorts to the same old stuff. It's ok, dude, using ybu just shows your own IQ. Not hard to see that.