Captain LI've recited my reservations about Heaps since Spring Camp
a number of times, so no point in doing it yet again. Heaps mania is in full
force and effect now anyway, so what would be the point? With respect to Doman,
playing option QB in high school hardly qualifies anyone to coach the run game,
as I'm sure he would be the first to admit. Even if he were (and he's not) an
expert on the option, it's just one method of attacking a defensive front.VeritasYour comment is a bit disingenuous, don't you
think?Color obviously has nothing to do with athleticism. I was referring
to the fact that 19 of 24 Auburn starters (including KR and PR) are AA. If you
choose to believe that's irrelevant, then that's your prerogative.
@BlueHuskyThere's a major difference between winning a BCS game and
beating:Oregon (7-6) W 38-8 @Las Vegas BowlUCLA (6-7) W 17-16
@LVBOklahoma (8-5) W 14-13 @Jerry's WorldOregon State (8-5) W 44 20
@LVBBYU's best team since 1996...A) In 2001 got smocked
by the only good team they played on the road: @Hawaii 72-45 B) In
2009 got torched @LES by Florida State (7-6) 28-54. So Bugoff is
right on, if BYU continues this trend they won't be beating anyone: 2-22 vs
final ranked teams in 12 years.As of today Boise and TCU are the top
dogs. BYU is not even in the same league, literally.
Ah, the joy of bein an armchair QB, whether you know anything or not.
Re BYU's ability to beat Oregon and Auburn:BYU pounded Oregon in the Vegas
Bowl. BYU beat Oklahoma in Dallas. BYU pounded Oregon State. They destroyed
UCLA. Could they beat Oregon this year? No. Ever? Sure. They did in the past,
they'll do it again.How about Auburn? Well, their defensive line
stuffed Oregon. I found myself wondering how BYU's huge line, triple-headed
running game, and a seasoned (say, Junior) Heaps would do. I think it would be a
good game. I was not overwhelmed with their offense. I don't see a pro QB there.
Could BYU beat them this year? No. In the future, why not?The
generalizations about BYU being too slow, too white, etc. are witless
comparisons to good teams having great years. BYU has had great years and will
again. The difference is that in the future, their great years will be seen
nation wide and they'll be playing in a good bowl game. It's gonna be fun.
Ben Cahoon is retiring AND has applied?Hire him, hire him, HIRE
HIM!That would complete all the changes we needed. Back
in the LaVell era, our receivers were known to be fearless and virtually NEVER
drop a pass. Don't know if it's true or not but someone once told me that back
then BYU trained their receivers by having them run full speed straight towards
a brick wall while a QB threw passes very close to the wall. The idea being, to
not worry about smacking into the wall but to focus only on catching the ball.
Period.Anyway, with Cahoon's PROVEN capabilities, since he actually
did put in an application (I didn't think he was going to retire since he wasn't
riding the bench and just took the CFL receptions record), I'd hire that guy in
about 1.8 seconds.
Ref: BugoffI guess that I watched a different game than you last
night. I wasn't all that impressed. Cam Newton can't throw the ball with
consistent accuracy and Oregon's Oline couldn't plow one yard when it mattered.
All of the high speed offensive coaching of Oregon became useless when a couple
of yards were needed.Perhaps BYU can't recruit speed but it can
recruit great line men like Riker Mathews who started the US Army Combined at
left Tackle (the best left tackle in the West?) as well as quarterbacks . BYU's pro style offense is more complex than the current spread offenses
but when executed properly, is much more dynamic. Next year as the tight ends
(Mahina, Holt, Mathews, Wilson, etc) and the new wide receivers (Apo, Phillips,
etc) with one of the best olines in the country (yes, Reynolds is back) BYU's
offense will be one of the best in the nation. BYU's front seven on
defense will also be one of the best in the nation. The Defensive backfield
will still need work. All said BYU will be better than either BSU
or TCU or Utah next year.
fender: What is it that makes you down on Heaps? Heaps poor play to start the
season wasn't all his fault, it was tons of dropped passes and play calling that
didn't take advantage of his strengths.Heaps has as good of an arm as any
QB BYU has had come in to the program and he has the mentality to be as good if
not better than any of them as well. I know that is saying alot, and only time
will tell but his talent and potential are there.Also what makes you think
Doman doesn't know the run game? Doman was an option QB in high school and
loved the run, what makes you think he doesn't appreciate the importance of the
fender | 10:41 a.m. Jan. 11, 2011 Washington, UT @BugoffI agree with most of what you say. I would add that BYU is several generations
away from recruiting Auburn quality athletes to Provo. The African-American
population in Utah County is less than one percent and there are virtually no
black owned businesses. No culture, no athletes.===What
does a person's skin pigmentation have to do with whether or not they are to be
considered an athlete?Did you learn it from Jimmy the Greek, that it
came from "slave" days?
Hedgehog: I kinda like Bronco's style LDS, yada,yada, football 5th on priority
list. You ought to try it. BYU will continue to get the non LDS athletes just
like they have in the past. Those non LDS athletes that appreciate BYU's
football program, its life syle and standards will still sign on to play for
BYU. BYU has more speed than people are thinking they have, there is alot of
good athletes in the linebacker, wide receiver, tight end ranks. BYU's football
team/program is on the rise and going independent and having the TV coverage
they will get will give them the exsposure they are looking for.
@BugoffI agree with most of what you say. I would add that BYU is
several generations away from recruiting Auburn quality athletes to Provo. The
African-American population in Utah County is less than one percent and there
are virtually no black owned businesses. No culture, no athletes.Without that BYU has to have a superior run game to hang with the big boys.
Heaps may be great (although I'm not a believer), but teams like Auburn will eat
him alive without a credible run game. They will need to rely on strength and
technique on the O line. They will have Reynolds next year and that's a start,
but they need a few more like him. They also need another back like Unga who
runs downhill and can dish out some punishment. Equally important,
they will need an O coordinator who understands the run game and that's not
Doman, so they need to pick up a skilled run guy, if they can, who can mesh with
Bugoff has the right idea, but I unfortuantely misses the real point -- coaching
matters greatly when you have 2 and 3 star athletes instead of a bevy of 4 star
athletes. Watching both teams in the BCS faux-championship bowl, we saw two
innovative offensive minds at work on both sidelines. They were stymied
somewhat by very good and very fast defenses (both of which looked like TCU's
defense), but that is the way BYU must play in order to level the playing field.
When Lavelle worked the passing game to near perfection in the late '70s, and
then the '80s and '90s, it was BYU's edge against teams with superior talent.
Their defensive schemes could not adjust fast enough to handle it. Now, it is
not only precision -- which Bronco preaches every day -- but speed. It is
fast-break offense, with superior conditioning, that throws off defenses. It is
the 2010 version of the Lavelle aerial show of the '80s. It's not just
no-huddle, but no-huddle at breakneck speed -- 80 plays a game. And BYU can do
this with good coaching and superior conditioning. It is the only way to
It's all about recruiting. So get coaches who can SELL the University and the
program. No clue if Cahoon or Drage have that type of charisma or not but I
know Wong does. Just look at how he has raised money for his little ole high
school. Plus the dude can flat out coach. And we need more help getting the Poly
kids now that Anae is gone. Bringing him on is a no brainer. Do it please
before the Yewts nab him.
Hedgehog,Looks like we need to add being afraid to jeasous and obsessed
regarding how you feel about BYU. BYU will continue to be a top 20 program most
years with the athletes they recruit and the coaches they hire. Good young men
with charactar who are also good athletes. It is a matter of class. You wouldn't
Still Blue after all these yearDo we know that he and Weber (and the
other coaches) haven't had frank discussions about the future of BYU football?
My guess would be that everyone knows where they stand. But again,
not being actually part of the program, the most any of us can do (Yes, even you
hedgehog) is guess and speculate. Ultimately, we will read about what the
results are, but it is very unlikely we will ever know the entire process.As for me, I trust Bronco's decisions. He strikes me as a contemplative
person who acts rather than reacts. And I laugh at the thought that
football should be the first priority in ANYONE's life and the attempt at a
certain troll to play the race card.
BYU is unique in its mission. BYU's mission effects which coaches and recruits
are acceptable. BYU looks for good men who are good football players and
coaches. The good men part comes first so BYU will lose out sometimes on highly
skilled athletes. Just being LDS doesn't make you good and not being LDS
doesn't make you bad. BYU will contine to attract good young men regardless of
race or religion. The past 30 years have shown that there are plenty of good
men who are also good athletes as BYU has been very successful. Not that anyone
cares but I hope BYU never changes.
Thanks Hedgie for your brilliant assessment. Actually Bronco's wife usually
makes the bed that Coach sleeps in. BYU is a great place for Black assistant
coaches and Black players if they buy into the special place called "happy
valley" by many that live there. I liked Coach Hill but things didn't work
out. Good luck Coach Hill in finding the right place for you. Good luck to all
the coaches and players this off season.
My only concern is "why is Bronco keeping Weber guessing?". I liked
his strategy initially, but its gone on too long. If he wants to get rid of
Higgins, he's got options. He may need Wong to recruit the poly's. But Weber
is a darn good coach. And what about Reynolds? is he still on or off?
Eric Dradge would be an awesome coach, as well as Cahoon. Lets hire one of them.
As the new offensive coordinator, I am concerned that Doman is biting off too
much, by wanting to retain his QB coaching duties as well. It may seem like a
natural fit, but being new to the OC job, I think that he needs to focus on his
new role and the overall offensive scheme.
We will never no how well BYU compares to other top flight programs until there
is a playoff. I stand with Bronco and the men of BYU.
An assistant with head coach experience -- at any level -- would be helpful for
Bronco. His biggest weaknesses are:1- situational decisions: punt
or go for it; run the clock down or take a few stabs at the endzone; etc 2- managing coordinators3- unified game planning. Offense and defense
strategies can't be done in independent vacuums, they have to take into
consideration a team's overall strengths: ball control against a team with a
prolific offense and quick buy small defense, for example.
While watching the Auburn/Oregon game I kept thinking about the BYU coaching
staff. Auburn had the better overall team. Oregon had
brilliant coaching. I kept comparing Oregon's coaching to BYU's
predictable outdated approach to football and wondered if BYU would ever be able
to get back to greatness? BYU has yet to defend a good spread
offense well. It is not just the offensive coaching that needs dramatic
improvement. I understand BYU has recruiting limitations and also
runs a pro set as that fits the type of players they can recruit but there has
to be some innovative changes for this program to move forward. Bronco deserves to choose his own coaches. But there has to be some new
approaches.I seriously doubt that any of the BYU teams of the last 5
years are capable of playing with the current teams of either Auburn or Oregon.
Bronco has to demand more of the coaches and also recruit more
talent from a national/international talent pool. Independence and
the TV coverage will open up the recruiting. The coaching has to carry the team
until more speed and talent can be recruited. Compare BYU to