@MapleDon:"So, while it's not okay to break one law, it's okay
to break the other?"I know what you mean. I like to rob banks
but the sheriff seems to have a different viewpoint. If he were truly fair he
would look the other way whilst I come out of the bank with alotta someone
else's money. Even though I promise to spend it which would have the desireable
benefit of stimulating our economy.
"Immigration reform is a complex problem in need of innovative
solutions."Would reform include deportation? If
you are not interested in illegal immigrant deportation then there is no need
for reform. Just let the immigrants mill around with no jobs or nothing to
occupy their time.Any reform without deportation is amnesty so why
bother.And controlling the borders won't do it. Fully 40 percent of
illegals come here on visas but overstay. They forget to go home.
Immigration reform is not a complex problem in need of innovative solutions.
Mexico gives a shining example of immigration.
Continued:"tribes" should read "bribes".Ripping up downtown to accommodate an old-fashioned tram system making
travel more troublesome, transferring from buses onto trams and disrupting
downtown traffic, increasing the cost of public transport greatly.
Assessing the State Government's accomplishments over the last three decades:1. Big expensive pumps in the desert in case it rains too much.2. Steady increase in sales tax percentage charged(except for food;
kudos for that).3. Steady increase in illegal immigrant population;
nothing done about it.4. Refusal of State government to outlaw
gifts / tribes to its legislators.
It seems I have read editorials for the past two years telling us that
immigration is a Federal responsibility. That puts you on both sides
of the fence, and straddling the middle on this one.
The Utah compact is a public relations smokescreen to confuse people into
thinking illegal immigration is acceptable like legal immigration. Do you really want a major change in this country based on a falsehood?
I think it's awesome to have a guestworker program when our federal government
has paid out over $330 billion in unemployment benefits in the last 3 years.
That number, by the way, does not include costs for other welfare programs the
unemployed rotuinely qualify for, like school lunches, Medicaid, food stamps,
Herbert is exactly the type of "strong leadership" that has gotten
this country a $1.3 trillion budget deficit, a $900 billion trade deficit, a 10%
unemployment rate, stagnant wages for the middle class (even during the last
boom), and 11 million illegal aliens living here.Insanity, it's
said, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results. Herbert's "solution" - basically to kowtow to big business
interests - is the same thing we've been doing for decades. This country already
has about 40 different classes of guestworker visas. Adding one more in Utah
won't solve the problem. Enforcement will.
A guest worker program after being told that's it's a Federal responsibility
would inflame the situation. It's a slap in the face to Utah's
100,000 that are out of work. Where is your compassion DN?
Mr. Governor, if you would like to be a one termer, then go ahead with granting
amnesty to the illegals in the form of this "comprehensive reform".
Go ahead and cave in to the LA RAZA open borders lobbyists (including the
Sutherland Institute and the Chamber of Commerce) who want to import more cheap
labor.The voters are watching all of you, and we will send you (and
Orrin Hatch) packing, as we did to Chris Cannon and Bob Bennett. We
are sick of the crimes and the degradation of our home values that these illegal
mexican gangs bring us. And wWe can no longer afford the financial drain on our
children's education, health care and welfare systems that these leechers bring
One more DN propaganda piece proclaiming that our immigration system is broken.
This one however, is clearly aimed at convincing the Governor to ignore the will
of the constituents and sign legislation aimed at changing policies for illegal
immigrants. You can always tell a liberal piece by the politically
correct phrases they use; people of goodwill (illegal aliens), abusive and shadowy activity (arrests and deportation, low wages), reasonable policy addressing immigrants in Utah (amnesty), meaningful
innovation (waivers that allow illegals to continue to come to Utah and take
jobs legally), etc...We don't need immigration reform, we need immigration
enforcement.Governor, where is the compassion for American Citizens? Who
is listening to them? Will it be you?
Until life becomes uncomfortable for the illegals, they are not going away. Our
legislature and governor have already proven they will not be tough on illegals.
I will be surprised if effective legislation is accomplished in regards to
illegals this year. Many of our legislators do not live in neighborhoods with
illegals, so they are clueless as to the day to day effects it has on many
citizens. Our generosity in Utah through charities and lax enforcement of laws
will just encourage more illegals to come to Utah.
The Des News certainly has thrown down the gauntlet for this governor. Herbert
is encouraged to lead in a reform effort surrounding illegal immigration,
similar to what Tommy Thompson did for welfare reform in the 90s? Good luck.
Gary Herbert is no Thompson. He doesn't even wear red.
Governor Herbert's summit on the topic was a good sign of his leadership.
A very strange analogy. Illegal immigration and welfare reform have nothing in
common, except we stopped the abuse of welfare in the 90's. Is that your
message? That the Utah compact will stop the abuse of our immigration system?
That doesn't make sense.
Those who composed the Utah compact, needed to say the problem, before they
solicited signers. It does not deal with illegal immigration or offer a
solution, instead it tries to confuse the situation further by refusing to
acknowledge the criminal acts that the public is talking about. We
have legal immigration that the people endorse, we have illegal immigration that
the people object to. Go back and address the subject please. Let's hear what
you think about illegal immigration.
And where's the "Compassion" towards the millions of unemployed in
this country--who would be employed if it weren't for the illegals working for
Leadership? How about some leadership in enforcing the LAW? How about leadership
in defending our borders? How about stopping illegal immigrants from looting the
state treasury? How about standing up to open borders hacks like Robles and
Yapias? How about rejecting the Utah CON PACT that is nothing but a sell out to
special interest groups that want to exploit illegals and have the rest of us
subsidize it for them?
Why we need to even discuss guest worker programs, or import more labor is mind
boggling to me!We currently have over 22 million unemployed right
now in this country. What about them?Retraining them would not only
fill jobs with people looking for those jobs, it would get some family off food
stamps and our welfare dole.Seems like a brainless win-win for us.
To put it more simply, the Deseret News' editors are telling the governor to
accept the Utah Compact. To add fuel to the debate, the editors note that the
Compact was derived by "some of the best thinking."Why
does my heart tell me differently?Why do I feel inside that there's
more to this propoganda than "compassion," and the desire to
"keep families together"?I read what is going on in Mexico
where horrible crimes are committed because of the out of control drug cartels
(over 30,000 killed since 2006). I don't want that here. And I believe some of
these local "leaders" have other personal short-term interests that
they, sadly, allow to supercede any concern regarding the long-term safety of
our communities.My biggest dissappointment is with those
"leaders" who have preached the importance of our obeying, honoring,
and sustaining the law. One of their big gripes with the polygamists is that
they aren't obeying the law. The polygamists aren't our target
market. But, Latin Americans are. So, while it's not okay to break one law, it's
okay to break the other?
Consider the empty rhetoric that could be avoided in recognizing what we all
should know by now, namely that 1) being in our country without documentation is
not necessarily a felony, 2) undocumented Hispanic immigrants are not the
cause of the downturn in our economy nor of high unemployment 3) undocumented
Hispanic immigrants pay taxes, and 4) undocumented Hispanic immigrants receive
decidedly less rather than more of the benefits and advantages available to the
rest of us.Less well defined is the degree to which the undeniably
substantial contribution of undocumented Hispanic labor to our economy balances
the significant additional expense of health care and welfare services. Who
knows for sure? But regardless, I as a Mormon highly recommend the Catholic
heritage of natural law in meeting what I understand to be our obligation to the
less fortunate.Education for the undocumented is a notable exception
in the equation of costs and benefits. Rather than another expense to bemoan,
education is probably the only real solution to the Hispanic immigrant dilemma
of slummers and gangbangers.Certainly the call for a forceful,
unconditional expulsion of all undocumented Hispanic immigrants is a recipe for
disaster and is itself an uneducated response.
Herbert and leadership are about as opposite as one could imagine.Of
course, if you're a contractor in the state, you're probably really excited over
Herbert. You have 13 million reasons to be excited in fact!
Fortunately, the 2010 Utah gubernatorial election was just a "special
election" to fill the governor seat until the 2012 elections. (The
legislature provided for this situation after Gov. Mike Leavitt resigned and Gov
Walker replaced him.)The State of Utah has a opportunity in 2012 to
place a more qualified governor in at that time.
This will be the Guv's first full term! While he showed very little in the
leadership column last term, we can all hope that he will step up to the plate
now that he doesn't have to woo the big contributors for another three years.
Come on Guv. show us the walk, we have heard the talk!
About the only thing I saw Herbert do last year was backtrack on trying to make
it easier to hire illegals (SR71 special session), due to the election year, and
then bring all of the pro-illegal people (plus Sandstrom) to a room for a chat.
If this is the kind of leadership we can expect for the next 4 years, the
average Utah resident needs to get ready to be trampled on with regularity.