Comments about ‘Sen. Luz Robles' bill could become national model’

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Published: Thursday, Jan. 6 2011 12:45 a.m. MST

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Ajax
Mapleton, UT

I find the instant antagonism witnessed here against the many advantages of the Robles bill disheartening. I would think that with the recent attention on the harmful consequences of bullying we would be more cautious of those in our society and our state legislature who misconstrue and manipulate the law to rationalize vindictive agendas needlessly harmful to others.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants, whatever you want to call them are not going to leave this country because of tougher laws. Senator Robles idea is different and innovative. Perhaps, her idea will not get very far. But, it is interesting to see a State Senator proposing a law that may actually bring individuals out of the shadows. Some of the complaints against undocumented immigrants is that they don't pay taxes, that they are not accountable to the system, etc. It seems that senator Robles is attempting to confront a problem proposing a legal solution. Vinegar is not working, perhaps is time to start using honey. Amnesty is not a dirty word, actually is a beautiful word that civilized and enlighten people created to prevent further deterioration in a bad situation and give hope a second chance.
I for one am glad that regardless the result of this proposal, hopefully, a smart and humane dialogue will start. Even the vociferous and angry voice of the "righteous" is being expressed through these coments, it's a beautiful thing :)

Thriller
Saint George, UT

"Robles' bill creates a system that would give illegal immigrants already living in the state a legal avenue to work."

What's next? Giving murderers a legal avenue to murder? Car-jackers a legal avenue to car-jack? Robbers a legal avenue to rob?

Some innovative thinking is necessary to deal with illegal immigration but this is not it.

bodgerdlue
Kearns, UT

What I find interesting about this is that when it comes to following imigration laws that have been on the books for years people in this state cry "It's the law, so you shouldn't violate it." Yet when it comes to laws on federal lands the cry is "Tyrany!!!"

Clueless
Rye, CO

I`m sure it`s all good when these folks are roofin your house or tending to your chores.But the thought of them learning English and becoming citizens? does racist ring a bell hot rod?

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

"Would it make a difference if these 'illegals' were beautiful,blond haired,blue eyed danes,from lets say Denmark or Norway? I`m sure it would.You`re showing your true colors again utah."

And in making that statement you show your own bigotry towards an entire state and it's people.

The answer to your question about the race of an illegal is a resounding no. It would make no difference to me.

This issue, for the majority of us is not about race, even though some in the pro-illegal crowd continue to try to make it so.

I've stated this before and I'll state it again and again, shame tactics will not work. We Utahns are way beyond being ashamed of wanting our laws enforced and fairness re-established.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

I find the virulent rejection expressed by many of the fair and balanced Robles bill astonishing. Recently I have observed that whenever immigration matters are discussed there is an immediate onslaught of tired comments clamoring beyond reason for the prompt and unconditional punishment of all "illegals". Only later are these curious attacks tempered by a diversity of more responsible opinions. Likely what we are witnessing is an organized response by a relatively small group of shills of the radical, supremacist-tinged right attempting to spin their message as the majority view.

Bazinga
Taylorsville, UT

In an effort to by openminded about this issue...this is what confuses me.

Say an illegal alien registers to have a work permit, giving them a legal right to live in Utah. What would happen to this person if the Federal government decided to do their job and enforce Federal laws?

Obviously, this law goes against Federal law as much, if not more, than Sandstrom's bill (or AZ's law). Where is the outcry that immigration is a Federal issue?

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

In principal I like Senator Robles bill. In reality I find it hard to believe it could be in anyway constitutional.

Congress has the right to control immigration. It is congressionally approved immigrantion laws that allow people to work in the United States.

Thus it would be over-stepping its legitimate role for a state to grant working rights to people. In fact, due to the wording of the constitution since 1808 the Federal Government has had the uncontested right to determine who can and who can not enter the United States and under what rules such can be done.

Senator Robles' bill is a good idea, but it has to be done by the Federal Government.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I would have to say that the claim that people who oppose undocumented immigration do not do so because of hate of Mexicans is undermined by the words of some commentors here.

Still, Senator Robles' proposed law represents much greater conflict with federal power than Arizona's law ever did. In Arizona they just said they would aid the federal government in identifying and detaining people who were not legally here, based on federally formulated rules. Senator Robles is trying to have the state of Utah say "we know you are here in violation of US law, but we will proactivly grant you a right to work, the central issue in federal laws".

What next, will Robles propse the "international students funding freedom act" which would change the rules for international students working in Utah?

Congress has the power to determine who has the legal right to work in the United States. Senator Robles bill might be a good solution if it was enacted by the federal government, but it does not work on the state level.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

I cannot believe the hardheartedness of most of these comments.

The world is made up of two types of people: scarcity-minded and abundance-minded.

The scarcity-minded are always afraid that there exists too little in the world for most persons to survive.

The abundance-minded know that there is more than enough for everyone.

Scarcity-minded people are afraid that they will end up having less than they want, so they hoard and hold on to what they think is theirs, never seeming to realize that ALL that they possess is a gift from someone who is all benevolent and loving. Nothing scarcity-minded people "have" truly belongs to them.

Abundance-minded people know that they will personally possess all that they need, IF they are mindful of the needs of their fellow man.

Scarcity-minded persons are the most selfish people alive.

Abundance-minded people are more interested in the welfare of EVERYONE than in themselves alone.

Scarcity-minded people are pessimists.

Abundance-minded people are optimists.

Scarcity-minded people call themselves conservatives.

Abundance-minded people couldn't care less what others label them. They know we are all children of the same Creator.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

While Federal Amnesty of undocumented immigrants is clearly constitutional, state amnesty would seem to be the state taking a federal role.

The debates about federal "amnesty" and related bills center around what should be done, and what the government is capable of doing, and how much of a police state we want.

In the state context there is another issue. Does the state have the right to set up an alternative policy? The answer is no. The state can not pass laws that would make it so Jose Contraras and his family can stay here if the Federal Government is determined to deport them. Federal LAw trumps state law, so Utah can not start issuing purple cards as alternative forms of working right to the federal green cards.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

How sad it is that some people are so presumptuous and closed-minded as to suggest that only people who agree with their preferred policy can be considered responsible. Disagreeing with your opinion does not, of itself, make another person irresponsible.

The easiest way to spot someone who is politicking is to find someone who claims that they have cornered the market of responsibility, integrity, or any other virtue.

Bobo
Magna, UT

I am kind of wondering what element of the illegal issue will actually be resolved through this kooky bill.

Near as I can tell, all the elements of illegals will continue.

The magnet of legitimizing some illegals will certainly draw many many more to Utah.

The Sutherland Institute has sold us out for their cheap labor sponsors.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I will have to second the contention that this bill is not bi-partisan. The Dream Act was, at least in its early days, much more bi-partisan, and that died because not enough Democrats would support it.

The Dream Act also died because the concerns expressed by Senator Coryn were never addressed. At least if he speaks the truth than Senator Coryn would have supported the Dream Act if it allowed for zero arrests of the beneficiaries.

Persoanlly I think the Dream Act might have passed if they had lowered the minimum age at entry to 14 or 13, 15 is high to be claiming these are children with no choice in the matter.

This bill would be in general a fairly good one on the federal level. However as a state bill it does not work.

Lastly I have to say that the statement about partisan politics killing federal immigration reform needs a lot of balance. During the 109th congress the senate had a bi-partisan group moving forward immigration reform, but it was killed as much due to democrats like Stabenow of Michigan voting against it as by Republicans opposing it.

BigPoet
Beaverton, OR

This bill still rewards previous illegal activity.

Carson
Provo, UT

I hope everyone contacts their Legislator and encourages Him/Her to support Rep. Sandstrom's bill. We must make E-verify mandatory state wide. Dry up the Jobs Illegals hold. Stop ALL the State freebies Illegals receive. Pass laws that will cause these people to self deport!

Tom
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think that Senator Robles ideas are worthy of discussion. The only way we will ever solve illegal immigration is through allowing enough legal immigration to meet economic realities. In the early 1960 50% of American citizens did not graduate from high school and may have been willing to do some of the jobs these individuals are doing. Presently 10% of American citizens do not graduate from high school. There are not enough high school kids in this country to pick all the fruit and shear all the sheep and do all the landscaping and cleaning in hospitals and hotels and many other areas. We need to realize that these individuals are and can have a greater potential to be an asset to our country. I see many positive comments posted here among those who can not see the workableness of the punishing only solution. If you believe these people are real human beings then it is time to come out of the shadows and sign the Utah Compact.

The Rabbit (in Spanish)
Salt Lake City, UT

I have some rhetorical questions to ask...

1.) What if the illegals don't follow the rules of this law? Will there be consequences then?

2.) At what point should the consequences of breaking the law, be harsh enough to deter the crime itself? Is a free ride back to Mexico really a punishment?

How about if we fly the illegals to Antarctica and let them begin their return journey from there?

jim l
West Jordan, UT

When you invite someone to sit down and eat at your table it is called chairty. When it is forced upon you it is called a tax or slavery.

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