3 point shooting & boards - massive disappointment tonight - trade for a
better 2/3 and trade a big man 4/5 for what currently have. The only players not
to trade DWill & Millsap - everyone else lets see what we can do to improve
A despicable performance by the Jazz. Although Sloan has made strides this year
with adjustments, lineup changes and rotations, his biggest bugaboos always
occur.Not guarding the 3 point line. Scott Layden talks a good game
saying how the Jazz have to recognize the 3 point shooters yet the players do
not. Nor do I think SLoan addresses it.I understand Millsap was
out. However, real good teams pitch in. They have but not tonight.If the Jazz ever scout and watch game tape, such as last night, that I watch
the team we play next, they get paid to do such things.Anyone with
intelligence would have known Johnson and Crawford have been hot and filling it
up. So the Jazz give all kinds of cushion and leave corners unguarded. Only
Gordon and Kirilenko tonight showed an effort to play D. Kirilenko was the lone
bright spot, he played well shooting and defense.I have said for
people that understand the stat a PLus 10 for the season means you had a good
season, That is Road wins-Home Losses. Now it is only Plus 4.It
does not get easier the next 2 games with 3 point threats.
The Jazz are not going to win a title or even come close unless they scout teams
in the East that might be willing to deal a longer, athletic big. Evans is not
ready this year to be that guy. He has to become more diversified in his
game.Elson did nothing tonight. You need a #2 averaging 15 ppg and
we do not have that. CJ Miles, as expected went back to garbage tonight
Does anyone else think that the Jazz need to shake things up somewhere? Flat
starts, no tempo, ugly games. The Jazz get whooped on there home floor, that
just can not happen. Nobody fouling hard, setting picks, making statements. NO
GRIT! Tired of watching this team get out hustled. This game was a joke! AK
actually played okay in the loss, for once he was a bright spot in a terrible
team effort. I was in my seat booing the product I paid good money to watch. I
think we need a trade to shake things up. We need a shooter or two.
Kevin O Connor was as creative as he will ever get this offseason. He will not
pull any deals and I will bet the farm if I had one on it. Sloan is never going
to be in my mind close to Jackson, Holtzman, Riley or many others level. He is
a good not great coach. The fact is he will never defend the corner, Scott
Layden talks about it, but I wonder if SLoan listens or ignores his advice.A long athletic wing is needed and either that or a #3 about 6'7 to 6'9
long, will D up hard and score 15 points per game. In the past John Salmons was
a type that would have helped in that area. I admit they are hard to find.
However, this team is an enigma. They play well on road against good sides but
gets offset by losing to these teams on the road. The Jazz have not even gone
to San Antonio or the Lakers yet, or Boston or New York or Chicago.After 36 games I still do not know the pulse or direction of a very talented
There needs to be a new word in the dictionary called "Jazzsistency."
It would mean inconsistent but relate to any sports team that's not playing to
their full potential night in and night out.
The Jazz need to wake up. they dont even look like they are enjoying playing.
Its sad. And they need to learn that you can all of the sudden come back in the
fourth. they have been lucky. But you cant get in those situations in the first
place. They are not communicating or playing like a team. I dont know how we
beat the Lakers or the Heat. They need to make some serious changes. I dont care
what it is just do it and play like a team. No Defense in that game. WAKE
UP!!!!!!!!!!! Millsap was hurt but that should motivate them to play better as a
TEAM. come on jazz im getting sick of this selfish playing. Ur starting to lose
ur fans. Meet as a team and work HARD.
Sit on this game for a while and you will have a chicken because the Jazz laid
an egg. They seem to be doing that a lot right now. It is almost as if the
intensity level from the first 15 or 20 games is gone. These horrible starts are
now, IMHO, the sign of a team unlikely to be anything more than a first-round
playoff exit.Will fans get on Millsap for sitting out? They would
have jumped on Boozer.
Al is too soft to be bigman cannot properly post up. Without Millsap it was hard
for AK. He cannot guard opposing 5 players same time. Zone defense against hot
shooters isn't smart idea. And the end Deron runs this team he should be
accountable. When AK was hot never feed him and Sloan taking him out.
Pretty good story about a game I didn't want to know the ugly details of. Kudos.
What a waste of money for my tickets. Time for Watson to start and move D-Will
to 2. Trade Memo and CJ and get someone who wants to and can play. This team has
no heart and soul and badly needs a trade to shake things up. I for one am very
disgusted with this present team.
This same group set the league on its ear earlier. Don't throw the baby out
with the bath water. No doubt they have been playing without big effort as a
team. Perhaps some therapy?
That game was a perfect storm of bad events.I'm concerned about the
slow starts, inconsistent play, and Jerry's reluctance to change things up.The team needs player and rotation changes. Looking back at history we
know that nothing will really happen.There will be no league or
conference title anytime soon. The Jazz just won't make the necessary moves.
DWill will be gone in two years and then it's back to square one.The
wheel is wobbling . . .
Jazz only have one 100% percent mentally tough player . Championship teams have
atleast 2 and sometimes 3. Jazz have 2 75% players and the rest are 50%ers or
less. That means they are going to be a very inconsistent team all year. What we
see is what we get. There are 2 other players that are 90%ers and when they come
in it has been a huge spark. But they play in the shadow of d-will so it is hard
to keep them on the floor. Maybe we should go to mambe-pambe land and see if we
can get some self confidence for some of these jack-wagons. Jazz are a good team
but far from being a great team on the mental side of things. I still enjoy
watching and will all year long.
Went to the game last night. Yes, the Jazz played terribly, but Atlanta was
just hot. I mean they just couldn't miss! You have to give them credit for
doing a great job.
Add a Kobe,D-Wade even a Paul Pierce to this team,then we could at least contend
for a title,I know it`s not gonna happen,but that`s how far we are away...
ATL was hot? NO, they had wide open looks all night long, the Jazz rotation was
terrible, perimeter defense is terrible, and the Jazz dont have a shooter
outside of D-Will and our bigs are soft as Charmin. Our big guys need to foul
hard, set hard picks and dunk on some heads to get the tempo going. MAKE A
STATEMENT! No energy, focus, passion, hustle, grit, or fight in that team last
night. I am worried about this team, mostly because we are so close yet so far.
Being a Jazz fan has been hard come playoff time, I for one would like to see
this team make a real run at a title. In order for that to happen, I think this
team needs a wake up call or a shake up call.
Watching the game last night, the thing that stood out the most from the Jazz
was the selfish play. Starting with Deron Williams on down through most of the
team. Guys were taking it to the hole them selves missing layups leaving team
mates wide open on the wings. This was a very ugly selfish played game from
start to finish.Are we ready to shake up the slow starting, starting
what exactly is a non-wrapping long line,?
One of the problems you have is they are not getting enough production from Al
Jefferson, even though there have been games were he has gone for 20+. I don't
think he understands the offense and he is always trying to take the ball from
the left (never from the right) side and settle fo a jump hook. I worry about
his toughness and that he doesn't understand how to run the high screen-roll.Without Millsap in the middle it was hard for them to open up anything
inside.Last night the Hawks were simply on fire and couldn't miss.I
also think, and when they brought him back i appauled the move, that Raja Bell
looks like he isn't much of his former self. I like Raja but maybe time for a
change at the 2 and bring Raja off the bench.Bottom line the Jazz look
discombobluated and those games they stole on the road earlier in the season,
won't be happening so much the rest of the season. they better get there act
I'll second the selfish play comment. Does anyone else remember when we had an
open 2 on 1 fast-brake with CJ with the ball and Hayward running the floor. CJ
kept the ball and missed a poor shot, when one simple pass would have been a
breakaway dunk for Hayward. Even the announcers called out CJ on it.The other thing I noticed is the horrible defense, starting with DWill.
Playing zone he constantly allowed his man to split the guards at the top of the
key. Would rarely cover the open 3. The same can be said for almost every
player with the exception of maybe AK, Hayward, Fes and Evans.
Those coaches mentioned with all the rings...look at the players they had.We`ve
got Williams,then a step down to Millsap,Jefferson,another step down to AK and
Memo,then a big step down to the rest
It is getting harder and harder for me to watch the Jazz play. Turned it to a
much better BYU game after the first half of the Jazz game. These guys make
millions, yet they have a hard time getting motivated half the time. At least
when a college player or team struggles you can say it is only a scholarship and
you can even eliminate players if needed. In all professional sports you have to
suffer through and pay at least part of the contract before you can get rid of a
player. Pro ball would be much better if players would get paid based on
performance rather than potential.
Best thing I ever did. take my wife's suggestion to watch the ballet and turn
off my big screen before half time. Wow, what a terrible performance by men who
are millionaires and on the take from the fans.This includes the owners
and coaches too. I could see this coming earlier in the year. Where do we go
from here....try rebuilding again and scrap the season? We had false hopes.
If I were CJ I wouldn't throw the ball to Hayward either!!It was
pretty simple last night. Hawks were HOT, Jazz NOT............Jerry
is the one who allowed the slow start by starting a non-scorer in Elson. Stupid
move by him. It's time to start CJ and get some life in the 1st quarter.
1 of 2 options need to happen or else we will be seeing D-will leaving Utah.1) either need to change the starting line-up and get better starts.
There is no reason in the world that we should blow out teams that have half as
many wins as we do. We are giving bad teams a chance to beat us.2)
We need to make a blockbuster trade and get some real help to make us a deep
playoff team. I wouldnt mind seeing a trade but we all know that KOC is gonna
keep with his BOYS.
Houdini, the Jazz sum should be be better than most teams individual parts. I
hear what you are saying a Superstar who takes a team on his back. DWIL does it
some nights, not every night. I am becoming CJ'd OUT. I have said for weeks
Raja should be coming in off the bench. I watched Lakers in past, and saw Mo
Evans hit shots from corner. My point is the Jazz are slow to react to things.
The fact is even in man to man, DWIL will play way off his guy, the Jazz do not
get into ones faces defensively. The reason some nights they get away from not
guarding perimeter is because some players and some teams are not as good
simple.Against good teams, with good shooters, the weakness gets
exploited.Memphis handled OK City, good young team who would be a
playoff team in East and Houston with all the 3 point weapons are likely to hurt
us badly this weekend.
CJ needs to go, he is a cancer on this team.
You make some good points Todd.Bottom line,we are a second tier team.In the west
the championship goes through LA,Dallas and SA.As good as Williams is,I still
think Stockton was the best
I had the misfortune to attend this game last night. Best things about it:
hanging out with my daughter, sharing some (wildly overpriced) Russell's ice
cream, and seeing Hayward and Evans make some nasty blocks.I agree
with what someone early on page 1 said - the Jazz philosophy about guarding the
3-pt line needs to change. Sloan would rather play the %s and double down in
the post, but when a team gets hot like ATL was last night, he needs to be smart
enough to say OK guys, tonight we match up inside and out, and don't give their
shooters wide open looks. I mean, ATL shot 10 points higher % from 3 than from
2 for Pete's sake! Be flexible Jerry!!
Rip Hamilton for AK, anyone?I know AK didn't do too bad, but if you look
at the starting lineup, there's really no consistent perimeter shooter. Jazz
need someone who can come off that curl and make that shot every time. AK's awful at offense....inconsistent is the problem followed by an ugly
stroke.Rip would be amazing on this team.....even Ben Gordon would do...
I keep saying to you message boarders that the Jazz is simply entertainment
nothing else. Why even discuss the players this and that....it is fruitless.
As I've said before, when an honest, objective analysis is made of all the
rosters you then should be able to come to a conclusion that the Jazz simply do
not stack up talent-wise with any team above them in the standings, as well as
some teams below them for that matter. Why worry about it. Just be kind and
tone down the rhetoric...be "civil" as our leaders are suggesting and
things will work out. Right! There are enough excuses to go around with
management and players without constantly pinpointing and finger pointing. I
still can't go with ballet as Elcapitan has suggested....sorry, that is just
unacceptable for me. There are just too many franchises in the NBA/NFL ( as in
a subfive hundred miserable Seattle Seahawk (SeaSkunks) outfit making the
playoffs....give me a break) and all the other professional sports leagues
across the country....too many games being played in these leagues....too much
money being paid to people affiliated with these leagues...etc., etc., Love.
someone said they had wide open 3's yes they did we have wide open 3's to. The
difference is they make their's we miss ours. I can't understand why so many
teams have all theses three point shooters and we have none.
This team is extremely talented as is. Their problems are all mental,
focus-associated. They still have a pretty good record, but they'd better fix
their issues or they won't after much longer. This is the year they can get
past the Lakers if they can just get their brains together.
I'm glad I tuned out to that game and found a real game to watch- utah @ AFA.
(j/k) sorry utes.The BYU @ unlv game was exciting, had athletes on
both sides hustling like crazy and actually acting like they wanted to be
there.I love watching the JAZZ overall, but this is exactly why I'd
rather watch college sports over these over-paid cry-babies any day.
Sloan should have played only AK from the starters and the second team. D-Will
forgot what an assist was.
Junior jazz games are a lot more entertaining than so-called
"professional" Jazz games. I'm glad I'm not wasting my time and money
watching that garbage this year. At least junior jazz is always free.
They all need to stop wearing those weird colored mouth guards too. At least
keep them in their mouths. Love them all, but I think they're spending all
their energy chewing on those things and they don't have enough left in the tank
for basketball. All that chewing and tension in the jaw...could that be making
the rest of their bodies tense? At this point ANY answer is an answer.
CJ Miles should be traded along with Memo and AK...Al Jefferson should come of
the Bench Behind Millsap...or get millsap of the bench...he is way effective as
a 6th man...since he will be guarding and be guarded by bench players...millsap
has first string talent with a second string body...Al Jefferson should work on
getting more Physical and just man-handle his way to the rim...if Kendrick
Perkins was not injured i'd grab him...CJ Miles...the 5 Yr inconsistent
wreck...should be traded...his style of play wont proper in the Jazz
system...trade him and a TPE for Brandon Rush and Tyler Hansbrough...then Trade
AK for Trevor Ariza or Shane Battier or Tony Allen + Xavier Henry + a
pick...Trade memo for Brad Miller...at least Brad Miller is meaner than
Memo...let Fesenko start for 5 games and see what happens...if we dont make
trades...then let Fes and CJ start the next 5 games for evaluation of their
talent...because you dont want another 5 years to bring out the supposed upside
of a former HS player...yep its you CJ Miles...
Every team other than the 96 Bulls has at least 4-5 horrible losses like this
per season. That said, unless Al really picks it up, we're going nowhere in the
playoffs. Good health would help too, and at least Sloan is trying to find a
mix.For a trade to shake things up, how about AK & Raja for Rip
& Tayshaun? ESPN Trade Machine says it's +6 wins for the Jazz, and would
save them about 5.5 mil this year. Detroit has to start rebuilding and this
clears most of their books and they're not going to be getting any great offers
for those two relics from the glory days.I've hated this trade
before as Rip has two more years left on his contract, but he's having a better
season and is 1.5 years younger than Raja so I've come around. We have to get
more dynamic on offense without losing too much on D, and those two would be
ecstatic to be back on a winner.I don't think Philly will trade
Iguodala now, and there's no other deal out there I can think of.
I don't understand why D-Will never gets any flack on here. He missed ten shots
ant had 5 turnovers. In the previuos game, he made three dumb mistakes in the
last five minutes. He plays no defense, he dribbles too much, and he walks the
ball up the court. Superstar? I just don't see it. Meanwhile, everyone rags
on CJ and AK, endlessly.
I see what you mean Ed. DWill is my favorite but he hasn't been as good the
last several games. A little out of sorts maybe. He DOES need to push the
ball. But I do have confidence that he and the team will get this figured out