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Scientists include BYU professor Barry Bickmore

Published: Wednesday, Jan. 5 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

As a 'conservative' myself, I don't think the fight really is if the climate is changing or if man is the cause of it. I believe most conservatives are just apprehensive about government trying to fix anything because they usually make it worse. Unfortunately, leading conservatives have chosen to stake out the fight as being whether or not climate change is happening and if it is manmade. The question I don't think is asked enough is do we trust politicians and scientists(I don't care how much science they use, they still have political opinions) to do what's right for EVERYBODY? I would say NO! today, and NO! a thousand times. When I think about scientists and politicians that advocate heavy government restrictions to try to change something, I can't help but think of the Joker's words to Harvey Dent, "You know, theyre schemers. Schemers trying to control their worlds. Im not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how, pathetic, their attempts to control things really are."

Tooele, UT

So he's a conservative that voted for Obama? That's the most conservative scientist they could come up with for the article?

Salt Lake City, UT

Did the article mention that Emanuel's best friend is chicken little?

Salt Lake City, UT

'Emanuel is also a highly regarded professor of atmospheric science at MIT. And based on his work on hurricanes and the research of his peers, Emanuel has concluded that the scientific data show a powerful link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change.' - Article

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Scientists can claim "climate change, global warming, the sky is falling, etc.", just so we don't have to shovel bucketloads of money at them to "prove" their theories!

Make all the "claims" you want, just don't make me pay for those claims through higher tuition, government subsidies, grants, etc.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

No real conservative would vote for Obama. Calling ADW "deniers" extremist and voting for Obama are two major red flags that say "Hey everybody! I am a liberal!"

We the People
Sandy, UT

The Deseret News strikes another blow against conservatives. Not surprising, really.

Mesa, AZ

The weather and climates have never been constant. They are constantly changing and cyclying. The annoying aspect of this is that humans have caused it. That is ridiculous. We can do things to help keep the planet more clean;however the hysteria and the fearmongering from the global warming crowd is simply an effort to take more of our freedoms and liberties away and to make as much money as possible before everyone realizes that we will never have any effect on what the weather does.

Jaime Lee Bonberger
Houston, TX

I think it would help the cause of convincing the deniers if a few changes were made on the official faces and messages of climate change advocacy. For example:

First, get rid of the crack-pot spokespeople. Al Gore does more harm than good by his hyperbole and arrogance.

Second, educate the liberal politicians. It only hurts the cause when Harry Reid blames California wildfires on global warming. Such ludicrous exaggerations are latched on to by deniers and used for continued justification of their views.

Third, stop making specific dire predictions and warnings. Several years ago one of the British global climate scientists predicted that "within a few years" Britain would never see snow again due to climate change. The deniers are having a field day as the English enjoy record snowfall this winter. Past predictions of rising seas fall on deaf ears when coastline boaters see no difference at all in tide levels over 20 years.

Fourth, quit fudging the data. The East Anglia email fiasco was very enlightening and disturbing. While nothing substantial was uncovered with regards to overall model altering, the presence of impropriety in dealing with "undesirable" data set climate change education back several years.

Holladay, UT

Like several others above, I don't deny that climate change occurs. I suspect man has some element of influence on it, but the degree of that influence is tough to quantify because of the rapid pace of change in human civilization as compared to the relatively slow pace of climate change.

My real aversion though is to the politicization of the whole phenomenon by the left, and their attempts to demonize those who dare disagree with them.

Durham, NC

From Counter Intellignece we have

"1) If Emanuel voted for Obama - then he clearly is not a Republican or a consrvative."

I think this speaks to where the "conservative" party is heading. The list of litmus test the party is now creating before you can call your self a conservative is ever growing. Evidently you must now always vote party line, and second, doubt science.

Looks like I got out just in time or else I would have been excommunicated from the party. How in the world does the party elite expect to win national races when they keep telling people they are not pure enough.

Sounds like it is time for a real third party.

West Jordan, UT

I too am a climate scientist and work daily in the study and disaster prevention from extreme precipitation events. While I agree that signs appear to show the temperatures rising over the last decade, the climate is far too complex to attribute a rise in a trace gas to global warming. Co2 makes up only 0.037% of the overall atmosphere. This is a good reason to be skeptical. Another reason is that climate change science is funding by a politically active, liberally leaning, group. If the science were completely disassociated from politics. From the maturation cycles of the sun, the Earth's temperature should gradually increase naturally, but that too isn't widely considered as a cause for climate change because it doesn't help in a socialist political agenda. Forgive all this, but until I see better evidence and it isn't linked to politics, I will continue to be a climate change skeptic.

Note: A Radical by definition is an extremely liberal person. Revolutionary is an extremely conservative person. To hear politicians refer to conservative people with extreme ideas as Radical is just plain ignorant.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

As I read this article... I kept getting the feeling I was reading a Provda_propaganda_piece. Not shareing info... but tell me, what I (and everyone) should believe. Trying to convince me... not put information out there to use in forming my own opinion... but going that critical step further... trying to FORM the opinion for me... and feed it to me. And show readers what the only possible conclusion is.

I think I am quite conservative too. And I don't deny the science and concensus on warming. But I do reject all the hype and chicken-little religiousity that seems to go along with it in SOME people.

Sure.... warming is happening. And if it continues it could be a problem. But nature seems to have a way of turning things like this around (sometimes in cycles that are too large for us humans to see and comprehend because some of Earth's cycles are so huge compared to ours).

I don't know if this warming will be planet_ending (as some keep saying). The earth and humanity have survived many climate_changes. We adapt. The climate adapts with natural cycles. Like it cyclically adapts to El_nino and La_nina.

Chandler, AZ

Imagine you are a specialist in a field. You dedicate years of research to that field. Eventually you reach a conclusion that a drastic change is needed now to prevent more drastic and detrimental change down the road. You think "Good thing we figured this out now while there's still a chance to fix it. Better alert the media." You let the world know. Then, you spend the next decade getting slammed by politicians in your own party who believe whatever their electorate tells them to believe, and by the electorate who's only knowledge on the subject comes from their favorite political pundit.
I'd be pretty frustrated.

Salt Lake City, UT

Too many people have let Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh convince them that Global Warming isn't real. What do these guys know about climate? Why should we trust them?

Just because Al Gore made a horribly biased movie about it, doesn't mean it isn't real.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

His income is based on whether or not he gets to study "climate change" "global warming" "global cooling" and other faux sciences.

The earth has been covered with ice, the ice has nearly melted away in it's history. It's a cycle that has been going on for millions of years. Long before cars were on the road.

How can someone say they're conservative and not adhere to all conservative values and ideologies? Sounds like he's more of a centrist. That's like saying you're a vegetarian, but, found red meat refreshing and delicious and okay to eat. But, the rest of the meats are bad. You're really not a vegetarian at that point.

Salt Lake City, UT

'We can do things to help keep the planet more clean...' - DarenAZ | 9:35 a.m.


*Alaska Oil Spill: Trans-Alaska Pipeline Shuts Down 800 Mile Area In North Slope' - Huffington Post - 07/26/10

'Fourth, quit fudging the data' - Jaime Lee Bonberger | 9:40 a.m.

No data was 'fudged', only the constant claim it was.

*'"Climategate" Leak Report Vindicates Scientists' - CBS News - 07/07/10

'Independent Finding Shows No Evidence Of Wrongdoing After Examination of Climate Researchers' E-Mails'

Jamie, even YOU support no wrong doing...after you claim there WAS wrong doing.

'While nothing substantial was uncovered with regards to overall model altering...' - Jaime Lee Bonberger | 9:40 a.m.


*'Study says coal burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/19/10

*'Red air quality alert issued' - AP - Published by DSNews - 01/05/11

Lets DO something together to make our air better locally at least.

Not more abstract claims that Obama's a socialist.

Mr. Bean
SLC, Utah

@Fitness Freak:

"...just so we don't have to shovel bucketloads of money at them to 'prove' their theories!"

Yeah, and more bucketsloads of money at the government in the form of carbon credits and taxes.

Casa Grande, AZ

Well the problem is he just doesn't realize that he may be socialy conservative but shouldn't really be a republican. He should vote on issues as an independent as all patriots should do. Are you an American, Repulican, or Democrat? Choose one.

Somewhere in Time, UT

It's the ultimate in arrogance to believe that mankind can do ANYTHING to stop the climate from changing. We just don't have that kind of power.

What we need to do instead is say, "okay, the climate is changing. Let's make adjustments and get ready for it instead of trying to keep it from changing." That makes a lot more sense than trying to stop it from changing. It might even have some benefits. Actually, a thousand years ago the climate was warmer and it was VERY beneficial to the residence of mother earth.

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