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Published: Monday, Jan. 3 2011 6:13 p.m. MST

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Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

No surprises here!

We'll simply not fund Obamacare and repeal it in 2012 with the next (Republican) president.

Citizens want IMPROVEMENTS to their health care delivery systems, NOT 16000 new IRS agents!

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Obama is destroying our country, and even more Democrats will be thrown out of office in 2012.

Maybe we will survive until then, but health care has been irretrievably broken now, and will be bad even if Obamacare is repealed.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Republicans 'vowed' to stop healthcare reform.

Now, they vow to repeal it.

How effective.

As for improvements....

* 'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09

Line:
'By the numbers, Alex (Lange) is in the 99th percentile for height and weight for babies his age. Insurers don't take babies above the 95th percentile, no matter how healthy they are otherwise.
"I could understand if we could control what he's eating. But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'

* Insurer revoked HIV Patients coverage Reuters 03/17/10

I will grant you healthcare reform is not perfect.

But it is better than being dropped from your insurance if you find out you have a terminal disease.

Like cancer.

'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...'

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Fortunately, the American people have more common sense than many senators.

Congress will simply zero fund this monstrosity, the House will vote to repeal and the American people will see who is really on their side--not the Dems.

The American people have the right to self determination. They don't want Obamacare. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have no concern about what the people want. They are only concerned about their own leftist agenda. IT'S SCARY.

We need TRUE health care reform and not this disaster known as Obamacare.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

re: Pagan

Your anecdotal stories are wonderful. I don't think anyone says the current system is good.

Anyone with a brain though ought to realize that the massive govt reach that they call "reform" is nothing but a road to higher taxes and more debt.

I'm not sure how you live at your house but most people, unless their liberals, should try to live within their means. Translation? If you don't have the money then you shouldn't spend it.

The government gets its money from us and they are nearly bankrupt so how is it the govt can mandate all this coverage when there is not money to provide it.

The curent system is no good but obamas is worse.

We need health insurance just like life insurance. You pay according to risk and you are guaranteed coverage as long as you pay your premiums.

You are as bad as the silly liberal politicians that have been bought off by the special interests.

The reality is we do not have enough money to cover every single heath issue. That is unaffordable but then again that is what seems to appeal to democrats. Just print more huh?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Pagan | 11:30 a.m." how about this:

"Medicaid cuts: teeth pulled, transplant called off" - Deseret News

"In Illinois, a pharmacist closes his business because of late Medicaid payments. In Arizona, a young father's liver transplant is canceled because Medicaid suddenly won't pay for it. In California, dentists pull teeth that could be saved because Medicaid doesn't pay for root canals"

"Medicares Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate" - The Independent Institute

"In its 2009 National Health Insurer Report Card, the AMA reports that Medicare denied only 4% of claimsa big improvement, but outpaced better still by the private insurers. The prior years high private denier, Aetna, reduced denials to 1.81%an astounding 75% improvementwith similar declines by all other private insurers, to average only 2.79%."

Seems like your life is at risk more with Government insurance than with private.

Kimber
Salt Lake City, UT

Our Health Insurance Reform may be repealed by the house right now, but it will never be repealed by the Senate and it won't down the road either. It isn't perfect (and the Republicans don't have a perfect solution either) But it's a start and will take us on our way to better health insurance coverage. The biggest thing people don't understand is that it is mostly about denying people coverage due to pre-existing conditions and about the hardship and sometimes, even bankruptsy due to medical bills. This is not civilized in the greatest country in the world! Many other countries already have provisions for these things and we need to catch up to them if we want to continue to be that advanced country.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I don't think anyone says the current system is good.' - Anti Government | 11:54 a.m.

'Seems like your life is at risk more with Government insurance than with private.' - RedShirt | 11:56 a.m.

Anti Goverment, meet Redshirt.

Who argues that private health insurance is 'less risk' (better?) than goverment....

when medicare covers 45 million people, and Aetna covers 13 million.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Can people stop using the words "American people" as if all American people believe one thing or another. State your belief and be done with it, but don't lump me in with your beliefs!

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Sorry GOP (freshman), it's the "Baby-Boomer Retirement Wave" that's in charge in 2012 also. Eager to show who's now in charge, the House's new Republican majority plans to vote to repeal President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul before he even shows up in their chamber to give his State of the Union address. You paid your Medicare taxes all those years and think you deserve your money's worth: full benefits after you retire. Nearly three out of five people say in a recent Associated Press-GfK poll that they paid into the system so their benefits shouldn't be cut. But a newly updated financial analysis shows that what people paid into the system doesn't come close to covering the full value of the medical care they can expect to receive as retirees. Consider an average-wage, two-earner couple together earning $89,000 a year. Upon retiring in 2011, they would have paid $114,000 in Medicare payroll taxes during their careers. But they can expect to receive medical services from prescriptions to hospital care worth $355,000, or about three times what they put in.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

"Where there is no vision the people perish. " Our current system has bankrupt too many businesses and families. Congress has good health care.

facts_r_stubborn
Kaysville, UT

Extreme ideological politics buy us very little. I'm a conservative who also recognizes the fact that health care costs are eating the middle class alive.

Obamacare did nothing to address the true cost drivers of healthcare. It was benefit side only. They also totally inaccurately made the private health insurance industry with a 1.6% profit margin the scapegoat for these rising healthcare costs.

To really get at the costs, we need state based reforms that fit the situations in each state. MA is not UT.

Having said that, it is very unfortunate that my party really is becoming the party of "no." We don't offer any realistic solutions anymore. We did have some pretty good market based ideas on how to slow rising healthcare costs.

Now all we can do is threaten to repeal Obamacare, with an eye to 2012 elections and gaining more power. Fine! But what is our plan to address the core problem? Before we repeal the democratic solution shouldn't we have a plan B?

Ultimately, the Republican, (tea-ed-off party) will not be successful if it doesn't have it's own detailed plans for market based solutions.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Now all we can do is threaten to repeal Obamacare, with an eye to 2012 elections and gaining more power. Fine! But what is our plan to address the core problem? Before we repeal the democratic solution shouldn't we have a plan B?' - facts_r_stubborn | 2:17 p.m.

THANK you!

Facts, your a self-identified conservative, I'm a self-identified liberal, and I completely agree with this statement.

Going forward from this, a state-by-state option would be very confusing and, at some points I'm sure, contradictory.

Perhaps a public option...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

facts_r_stubborn - I am with you. I have no problem repealing Obamacare, or amending it, so long as there is a better alternative. But you don't take away something, leaving a void for a couple of years while you figure it out. That would cause companies to have to retool what they are offering three time - and each time you change things up, it cost companies money.

The pragmatic way to deal with this is to repeal and replace those sections that don't work. We don't need revolutionary change, but evolutionary change.

I would love to see what the Republicans have in mind - as a package. Unfortunately up to right now, this grand plan only exist in someones head and there is nothing to look at yet.

Having a show vote with no plan is yet another battle taken where time would be better spent actually doing productive work toward a real solution, or on other initiatives that truly do need our attention.

Remember Jobs... that still needs to be fixed. This battle will do nothing to advance that issue.

facts_r_stubborn
Kaysville, UT

@Pagan,

I'm glad we agree on that point. Something for you to consider, though:

Unfunded mandates are not particularly effective historically. This is not a partisan issue. Utah has been heavily Republican, as we all know, since the 70's, but still the state legislature issues unfunded mandates to county and city governments. The federal government does the same to the states, and even several Democratic states are whining they can't afford the implementation of Obamacare.

I don't say the federal government should have no role in reforming healtcare regulation to encourage cost savings and availability of coverage. I do say they should not prescribe the exact method for each state. In other words, set the general expectations for slowing the rise in the cost of healtcare, increasing the number of insured, and basic benefits. Then, hands off and let the states flush out the details appropriate to reach the general federal targets.

It's federalism at its best and Jefferson and Madison would have been proud.

We can still do that without repealing the whole enchilada. Let's learn from the real world and adjust where needed.

Practical bi-partisan problem solving not blind partisanship!

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I'm all for full repeal of Obamacare however there needs to be some common sense reforms proposed for health care because it is horribly expensive and there are too many who need coverage that have a hard time getting it such as married college students and those who are out of work.

The Final Word
Alpine, UT

re: pagan

Yes, Medicare supposedly covers 45 million and it is, according to your own pathetic democratic liberal party, "on the road to bankruptcy.

So lets expand it for everyone!!!

That seems realistic to me. I mean we obviously can't fund what we are trying to provide now and obama openly admits there are billions in fraud in abuse while covering the measly 45 million. They can't control or monitor or stop it.

Democrats solution? Coverage for everyone!!!

I'm sure that would be real efficient and affordable. Not.

The whole concept is a failure based on the first premise. Yes, lets provide healthcare to over 300 000 000 people since we can't afford to provide it to the 45 million currently involved.

This is how democrats think and that is why the last 110th democratic congress in on record for amassing more debt than the first 100 congresses COMBINED!

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Obama's agenda is the magnet for unintended consequences. His isolation from reality, now and in his previous experiences, makes him vulnerable. The blinders that his rigid progressive views impose removes him from the real world. Pagan's cut-and-paste examples in the insurance industry are a telling.

williary
Kearns, UT

"The strategy is not risk-free for the Republicans, who won't have a replacement plan of their own ready by the time of the repeal vote."

Ya think? That's what the Republican party does best. They had how many opportunities to try and address Health Care under Republican control and did nothing. They want nothing done, period. Did they really want the issue addressed, they would have done so at the numerous opportunities they had. They blocked Clinton's attempts, did everything they could to block Obama's attempts, will (unsuccessfully) try to repeal Obama's attempts, and still have no answer themselves.

The party of NO in action!

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

So the democrat's biggest accomplishment last year was an attempt to improve health care for the non wealthy, while the republican's biggest victory was the extension of Bush's tax breaks to the those making over $200,000 per year.

As a middle class independent I'm having a hard time believing that Republicans have the best interests of the middle class in mind.

I skeptical about Obamacare but at least it is an attempt to help out the middle class. Can a republican please explain to me how giving the rich massive tax breaks helps the middle class?

Last elections I voted about 60% to 40% in favor of democrats, but if republicans don't start putting the best interests of the middle class ahead of the rich's I'm might just become a democrat.

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