Yeeeee Hawwwww... As Hot Rod would say " You gotta love it baby"
Not only were the Jazz outplayed this game,butt they were outcoached.I think the
Captain is dead on in his assumption that Fesenko should be getting more playing
time.The Blazers used thier "Fesenko" (Camby) to their advantage for
most of the game.None of our guys could stop Aldridge inside.That,and with Camby
killing us on the boards,it was just too much for us. I am beginning to think
that Fesenko should be starting,at least against certain teams. I'd like to see
Big Al and Fess playing together more. Fesenko would be ok playing inside on
offense in this situation because he would never get double-teamed with Big Al
also in the game. Jerry got outcoached this game.The Jazz simply didn't have
enough beef inside to win this game,and the story will be the same when they
play the Lakers or Dallas.
We probably should have kept Matthews.
only if we wanted to compete for a championship we should have kept mattews
Last season was beatiful because of Matthews. I was upset when we lost him this
summer. Matthews is one of the best players this franchise has ever had. Right
now D Will Al Jeff and maybe Milsap are the only guys I would take ahead of
Wes...I would put Matthews in the Milsap/Jefferson category...maybe just a hair
below those two guys.Good Luck Wes!You are a true
PROFESSIONAL...we were lucky to have you if only for a breif period of time.
well add the blazers to the list of teams that simply have the jazz number each
time they play (and the list just keeps growing with each loss the jazz have
Bad choices in offering late to Milsap and apparantely not offering to Matthews
which I cant believe, has really cost the Jazz. It makes me think that they
really arent as good as I thought they were.
I could rip Sloan and you guys know I would. However, I do not. These slow
starts he does not plan and DWIL was right, they are wearing on the Jazz
mentally much as physical. I am not going to say it always comes down to JERRYS
"toughness".The key is Portland hurts him because of long
lean guys like the Lakers will also. Batum, Camby, Aldridge are very tough
matchups. I hope Evans can develop quickly because to combat this partially, we
may need him more and he is improvingThe Jazz just have to
"stay around 1st place". OK City will likely beat ATlanta, but we
could tie them come Saturday. Fes did great except for the free
throws and couple of bad shots. He was in there when Portland did not score for
6 1/2 minutes. The thing that hurt is the Jazz themselves only scored 8 points
in that time. Not getting 6, 7 point lead then was costly in this game. It
would be great if Utah had a quick, springly d guy 6'10 or 6-11 but we do
not.I knew a catch. Fes would not get the time, Elson healthy
Without AK it's not good defensive team. Al is too soft, Deron occasionally
plays defense... Yesterday everybody was jumping Hayward wagon. He may looked
good against fella rookies but you can't buy experience. After couple years
will see who he is. Al and Millsap not very good combination because AL soft he
need side-defender bit Millsap not that good. Any big plays better with Fes at
least defensively. Game was winnable too many To's doomed Jazz specially
The Jazz took the older Bell over the younger Mathews and that is only one of
the reasons why I can in no way root for the Jazz.The Jazz let Eric
Maynor go. They let Weslie Mathews go. The overpaid for Kirelenko and Boozer.
They let Ronnie Brewer go. I realize pro sports is a business, but
it's a business I choose not to support.
The Jazz did not "let Matthews go"! The Jazz organization loved Wes
just like we all do. Portland ripped him away from the Jazz with a financial
offer that the Jazz could not match. It's a simple as that. If you've ever had
to run a business you often have to face tough decisions about what you want to
do, but some things don't make sense financially. If you can't support the team
because they have to make tough decisions sometimes, then so be it. But in this
case at least don't rip on the team because "they let Matthews go" so
that they could replace him with an "older Raja Bell". If the Jazz
make bad financial decisions then eventually none of us will have a team to
support because they will not survive. I support the Jazz, and believe it or not
I support Wes too and hope he does have a great career. He's a great kid!
There's one reason why Wes Mathews is doing so well and it isn't because of his
athletic ability. He is a good player because of effort, desire, and heart! He
does not quit and will not. We just don't have too many players on this Jazz
team with that same drive. As for letting him go, well that isn't exactly true.
The mistake was not offering him a contract, and letting some one else make the
first offer and finding out it was more than we could pay. Why didn't we offer a
decent contract to him of about 5mil and let him know how much we liked him and
wanted him to stay, instead of going the bidding route? He liked it here and I
am sure money didn't drive this young man like it does so many others. Thats the
Jazz mistake. That will happen with Fess also if he isn't traded before seasons
end. Do not trade A.K. and take on another big contract in return, better to
just let him go and say happy trails. 18 mil, what a gaff! Oh well.
Most of the team looked tired on the second night of back-to-back. Hayward
especially made some very silly fouls in the first half, it looked like he just
didn't have any legs. Those things happen when you're tired. He played 44
minutes in LA. DWill & AJ also looked tired at times.
So you're thinking that Jazz stood around last season waiting for it to end so
they could have a bidding war with other teams? I give the Jazz more credit than
that, after all they were the only organization that saw the talent in Wes
before anyone else did. I know they were talking new contracts with Wes before
the season ended but I'm sure it was his agent telling him to hold out for the
other big offers coming his way. And who could blame Wes for doing that. It
doesn't make him a bad guy to hold out for the best offer. I would guess that
the general public hears about 1% of what goes on behind the scenes and just
think the Jazz were sitting on their hands regarding getting Wes a new contract.
I'm sure they wanted to work it out, but again it comes down to a business
decision. And, the team would be the first to admit they make mistakes, but let
the team that doesn't make any mistakes cast the 1st stone.
I'm not as concerned about this one game as the Jazz playing soft at home. 6
home losses used to be a season's worth. Cut that in half and the Jazz would be
2nd in the West. They actually have a better road record! On the one hand it
is great they are good on the road -- they weren't for YEARS during the
Stockton-Malone era -- but come on, guys, defend the house.
I love how so many people talk about the Jazz like they are the only team that
makes signing and drafting mistakes. Look at Portland with Roy and Oden. Look at
the Bobcats with Morrison. Even the 76ers with Evans right now. The reality is
you just can't predict who is gonna be a great or healthy player because it
relies so much on the player and how hard they work and how bad they want it.
It just seems Jazz fans should be happier to have a team that is
this good while so many other teams struggle. Or maybe just the people who are
upset post here. It is frustrating at times but I enjoy watching the Jazz cause
they always compete and are always successful. I mean how many teams besides the
Celtics and Lakers win championships? It is very rare, not that I don't want it
but be realistic. Not saying we shouldn't want the Jazz to be the
best they can be but realize how lucky we are to have a competitive team EVERY
I am trying my hardest to not have "the end of the world mentality"
most Jazz, BYU, and Utah fans have here in Utah after a loss...But, it is really
hard when your team just doesn't look good consistently. If we would put up a
fight for 4 qtrs instead of 2 or 2 1/2 then I wouldn't be so dramatic like
everyone else on the message boards. Come on Utah, just work hard and play a
full game! It will be amazing what will happen.
There isn't anyone on the Jazz that can guard my mother. Wes Matthews going off
with 30 points....for the love of pete..give me a major break. And Alldrige
nearly 30 and Camby 20 plus rebounds....come on man. If a team can't defeat
teams like Portland, at home or on the road, they have no business contending
for anything in the NBA. Okur, Kirilenko, and Miles have no heart. Fesenko
should be playing in Europe or anywhere else. This league and this franchise is
horrible. What is wrong with Williams? The is something bothering him. He is
not the same.As I have always said....the Jazz is nothing more than
entertainment. Kobe Bryant and the Lakers are finished....trust me.
No one here is in crisis mode or panicking over one loss. However, trends that
are bothersome will be discussed on this forum. Paul Milsap is not a weak
defender, he gets burned at times. However, i watched him vs Blake Griffin
Wednesday Night and he burned Jefferson more than Paul by far.On
Brandon Roy, you can consider it unfortunate, he has had serious injuries. He
has hardly been a bust though. He is young hope can make it back. No one
thought Grant Hill would come back and he has had a stellar career.The Jazz losing at home is the only bugaboo of the season. If they are
winning this division, cannot afford more than 3 home losses the rest of the
season. That should have the Jazz finish at 54-55 wins which they will need to
win the division.It was to great for Fes to be doing so well.
However, You should have known it "was a catch why". We find out
Elson has a bad toe, so likely vs Memphis, Elson will be back and Fes will
Anonymous, we need to get your mother a tryout. If she can score and play
defense I'll be pulling for her! It's a long season with teams going through ups
and downs all the time. It seems worse for Jazz fans because we pay so much
attention to them, but all teams have their struggles. In a way, that's what
makes sports fun to watch.
Bell should be coming off the bench, he is a pump fakin' machine who should just
take the open shot. We need a 2 guard that can give 15-20 pts. a night and all
the guards needs to rebound more. I think Air Gordon and Evans can replace AK.
Use the trade exceptions before they expire and swing a deal with one of many
teams looking to dump salary. WE NEED A HIGHER CALIBER SHOOTING GUARD. Obviously
we should have kept Mathews but it is time to lick our wounds and up grade that
position so Jazz fans can stop thinking about woulda shoulda coulda kept
Mathews. Bell was a bandage on an open hole in this roster. Now it's time to
make a move to make this team better. This team is close, but so far. We need a
2 players that without doubt that deserve more playing time are Fesenko and
Evans, and Elson who I did not know had a toe injury. Specifically on most every
night it's a matchup thing with whomever we are playing. What I don't see and
like is our team changing up or trying to matchup. Milsap guarding Aldridge?
Give me a break! And while at it whats this 55% foul shooting from Milsap about?
He should do much better than that. Come on Paul your better than your average!
last year everybody me included said boz diden't play defeance they sure played
better last year. looks to me like they are using milsap to opean up underneath
for al. millsap is at his best underneath. defeance is nogood not many rebounds.
fes and evens played 100 percent better def.i would put sap and al coming off
the bench and start fes and evens if nothing else send a message
I think we are starting to see the big difference between--talented players who
like to win--and gritty, hard nosed and talented players who simply can't stand
losing. I think the Jazz have plenty of the former and few of the latter. Yes,
they show a good side of themselves when they are coming back from a 15 pt
deficit,--they execute and play like they need to play in order to be
successful. But they are quite content to show up the next night and play lazy,
sloppy ball until they are on the verge of being embarrassed. Well,
I would have been embarrassed last night. A team is decimated and comes into
your crib and beats you badly and then you have a chance to do the exact same
thing to them a couple of nights later--and you come in a roll over. During the
first part of this season the Jazz looked like fighters. Now they are looking
fat and happy to be where they are. More than happy to take nights off for tiny
little tweaks and tummy aches, with a general--"let somebody else do
I loved how Fes hustled and controlled the paint and limited how much Portland
was able to score but Sloan messed up by not having some offensive players in
the game with Fes, he had Evans, Watson, Price, no one that could be depended
upon to score. Fes did a good job of helping make stops but he didn't have
anyone to score, I know that is repeating myself but that is the point.
Fes can be a better offensive player than he is but it will take time and for
now while he is on the floor he needs offensive players on the floor with
him.As frustrating as CJ's inconsistency is, it is nice to have him on the
floor, he is a threat and demands attention and can be a big lift offensively.
Hopefully he will be feeling better and be able to play Sat.
The Jazz wanted to keep Mathews, but Portland front loaded their offer and with
the Luxury tax doubling that sting, it just did not make sense. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to look back and say we should have matched
it. I suppose eating all that money for 1 year might have worked out in the long
run, but Portland made it a tough call and too hard to swallow in the end.On the other side of the argument, I can't remember the last time any
Jazz rookie EVER had the rookie season Mathews had, it sure looks like that was
no fluke and Yes he is just getting better. Mo Williams and Wes Mathews were
obviously two players they should not have lost, but you can't win them all. Go
maybe they should trade for matthews, that would be kind of funny. I really hope
the Jazz make a move this year though. What is with all the trade exceptions if
you don't use em?
It is becoming more evident that the so called starters in the front court, (
Jefferson, Milsap, Kirilenko/Hayward ) are very weak defending and rebounding
down in the low block. This is the primary reason for the slow starts. I would
like to see Milsap slide over to the 3, Jefferson to the 4, and insert Fesenko
at the 5. Kirilenko/Haywood could back up Milsap at the 3. Memo can be the hired
gun off the bench (When healthy), shooting from the 4 position along side Toes
(Elson)at the 5. As much as I like Milsap, he is not long enough to
play the 4 against the top teams in this league.Happy new year Jazz
and Jazz fans!
Sometimes i get the feeling that we should have kept Matthews. But. He could
just be on a roll right now. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple of
games he falls flat. It's a little bit like Gordon Hayward's games. Two games
ago he was RED HOT. I'm pretty sure that other teams though weren't thinking to
themselves "man, i wish we had him." He was just really feeling it
that game. I think that we as fans should stop wishing and start supporting the
actual team we have. They need it.
So two teams in SLC lose in basketball, that's life.
BRuss: I like the idea of Milsap at the 3 some of the time and more time as he
would adjust. We need Fes's defense and energy, we need to make stops to start
the games. We have been falling behind and everyone is looking at not executing
the offense but playing better defense and getting stops would allow the
starters to get off to a better start.Fes needs to have 2 or 3 offensive
minded players on the floor while he is on the floor. With consistent playing
time I think Fes's O would improve but it will take time. He still hurries and
rushes his shots and has no confidence in his foul shooting.Hopefully
Hayward will continue to be more assertive and have more success thus becoming
more of a contributor.CJ needs to come back ready to attack the basket and
not rely on the 3's so much.Would love to see Evans get more playing time.
Cap,Good comments. I agree. C J and his hair trigger early on the three is
hurting his game. He is very good attacking the basket and good things happen
when he does. Then when he gets into a rythum going for the hole, his outside
shot begin to fall when taken in the rythum of the offense. I also
believe Fesenko and Evan's assests are very needed on this team. Both of them,
in the right minutes, at the right time.Doctor J, I hope you enjoy
San Diego. Happy New Year everyone!
You know guy's Fes is raw, and doesn't have a whole lot of playing time so far.
If he is alloted more playing time, when situations occur, ( such as us getting
ate alive in the paint ), I believe his production will increase along with his