Well since both of Mr. Martinez boys could have gone to any of the instate
schools on full rides, two of which would have even allowed them to live at home
if they wanted to, I have a hard time feeling all that sorry for their
situation. They chose to go the more expensive route. They chose to go to
seperate out of state schools. You would think they would have taken
those factors into account when they made their decisions and then once made
simply lived with the consequences.One of my best friends attended
BYU on a full ride football scholarship when we graduated from high school. He
lived at home and collected his scholarship money. Frankly he was pretty well
off for all of those years. Mr Martinez sons could have easily done the same.Not much sympathy here.
I didn't read the story, just going to comment on the title/picture... how much
does it cost to go to school at USC or Cal? Is that not cashing in? As far as
I'm concerned, a world class education and chance to keep playing football/maybe
go pro IS cashing in.
I have had 2 brothers and a sister playing college basketball. As well as
cousins running track and volleyball all on scholarship. There meals are paid
for, tuition, rent, and most of them get a stipend of anywhere from $500 to $800
a month. I will tell you what. give me the $500 to $800 a month right know
without the other expenses I will live like a king. Yes they work for it but I
have no sympathy for the student athlete. And I have first hand knowledge of
what they get.
Is it against the NCAA rules to get a job mowing University lawns over the
summer or during the off-season? I completely understand that full-ride
scholarships don't provide enough money to cover 100% of college expenses (rent,
food)--I had to work part time to make ends meet at BYU where tuition is
relatively cheap.So, unless the NCAA prohibits student athletes from
working at all during the year then I don't sympathize with the lack of funds to
buy iPods, iPads, and Xbox360 subscriptions (stuff I never could afford at
school either).I also understand that the AD brings in lots of money
that other University schools might possibly use (though I'm not certain that it
is a fact). The Kennedy Center where I studied (international relations) seemed
to rely heavily on alumni donations and endowments. I'm not sure that AD money
funds as much as you think outside the AD.I'm all for a healthy and
wealthy AD because I love BYU football. And, no, I was never cut from a high
school sports team.
To all concerned.... Deal with it and live with it!!!!
The NCAA should put themselves on probation for lack of institutional
control.Are they really brain-dead enough to believe that USC is
going to sit idly by and watch Ohio State get preferential treatment without
doing anything?What about North Carolina and all of the other
Southern schools that are being investigated for agent involvement?The NCAA is painting themselves into a corner that could get very hard to
explain if USC or another school that's been hit hard with penalties decides to
sue the NCAA for blatant discrimination.
As a former NCAA athlete and a relative of a current NCAA athlete I can
personally say that a full ride scholarship, while extremely helpful in the long
run, does not provide the necessities of the day to day. Yes, that scholarship
will make future expenses better (i.e. no school loans) but it does not make
their current monetary issues go away. They do not have an income. Their only
source of clothes or food has to come from the school. Who wants to wear school
gear everyday and eat cafeteria food everyday? Only those students who have
families that can provide for them have luxuries of new clothes or gadgets that
anyone else can provide for themselves. Try living a day where the food you
eat, the clothes you wear, and the purchases you make are watched by people who
can afford practically everything. The honest athletes out there don't have it
easy, I can attest to that.
This ammateur athlete debate has been going on for years... going back even
before the time of Jim Thorpe. The rules are there for a reason...regardless...
and they are nitpicky for a reason...in order to attempt to headoff anyone
possibly trying to circumnavigate the system or use their status as a Student
Athlete for personal gain. Obviously as at USC and at Auburn there is disparity
over the interpretation of the rules. And as far as charity goes...that has been
used so many times as a cover to covertly funnel proceeds into the wrong pockets
that that is exactly why the rules are so nit picky. Charity is only one aspect
of the problem. There are all kinds of other issues. I still am not sympathetic
towards Mr. Martinez's view point or anyone else saying that these rules are
rediculously restrictive. That's the entire point...They're supposed to be. To
make it as hard as possible for the athlete, his parents, or anyone else to
misuse their status as student athletes. We have too many Art Schlicters,
Maurice Clarettes, Reggie Bushes and fathers of people like Cam Newton already.
Where's Stocton??? who said anythhing about a free lunch, you earned your
education, So did I and these athletes have too. If they choose not to graduate
that's their problem, I'm sure years later they will regret that decision. A
huge percent of Football and Basketball players never go pro, as a matter of
fact most don't. You act like athletes are the only ones that don't finish their
educaton, there are students on academic scholarships that drop out, students on
govenment programs that drop out and yes even people on millitary benefits that
drop out. At that point the school no longer suppliments them just like they
don't for athletes that leave early. Its not like the school is paying for them
after they leave. If you have a problem with it blame the NFL or the NBA that
offer them millions to leave school, I'm sure if people in the millitary could
do it they would without hesitation.
Did none of you bone heads actually read the article? "Mr. Martinez"
doesn't want this money for himself! My dad is the one who he is trying to raise
money for. My dad died volunteering for the youth in the community! This has
nothing to do with his sons earning money for their football stuff. He wanted to
donate it for an auction to help a family in need. Merry Christmas to all!
I highly suggest you reread my statement there son. I gave no figures... your
the one dicing the info...You must be related to UTEOLOY. Yes... all things
considered... too many Student Athletes in Mens Football and Mens Basketball as
a group... (and I only chose Football and Basketball and not your choice of
"ALL NCAA Athletes") do not graduate considering the money and the
opportunity given them. and until "You've walked the walk and talked the
talk"... don't even bring up the government paying for my education...It
was a contract in which both parties kept their agreements. I earned as did
millions of other military servemen and women those benefits just like student
athletes are supposed to earn their scholarships with an obligation not only to
play and perform to their best abilities but also to graduate. I'm a retired
Officer with over 27 years in the military... but rather than argue the point
statistically let's just summize that no one owes you or I or Mr. Martinez and
his sons a free lunch... regardless of our talens hidden or otherwise...Can you
agree to that???
Need to make one additional correction...should have read:...The Army ROTC's
Simultaneous Membership Program allowed me to still be in the Guard...keep my
rank of Staff Sgt E-6 and be enrolled as a contracted cadet in the Army ROTC
program.Student Athletes should have to pay their dues just like
anyone else does. I personally don't see them as being abused or used by the
NCAA. They receive compensation....Many of them receive immense compensation
when you consider that many get very little actual playing time...but they are
there to back up those who play most. Just how are they overworked and
abused...because they have to practice... the possibility of injuries...How's
that different than say some stdent over summer break working a dangerous job in
construction. Mr. Martinez you need to quit whining and start letting your boys
grow up and figure out their own ways to finance their educations. Right now
both the Active and Reserve components of The Military offer up to $50,000.00 in
just educational money alone. I'm sure the California National Guard would love
to have both your sons. SCOOBIE
Where's Stockton..I would like to know where you are getting your information
sounds like your making it up as you go.90% of all NCAA athletes do not go pro
in anything and you can look that up. You mentioned you paid for your own
education then go on to say the Government paid for it. Congratulations you were
in the millitary so was I, athletes have to work for their scholarships,many far
harder than any summer job.Having intense training all year long is a bit more
strenuous than being a grounds keeper at some apartment complex. I admit they
get much more praise for what they do, is that your real gripe.
Agree wholeheartedly with Chris B. Sorry Mr. Martinez but you won't get my
sympathy either. Too many Student Athletes especially in Football and
Basketball do not graduate period...some never intended to in the first place.
That to me is a total waste of educational money and instructional time. It's
money that should have to be paid back as far as I'm concerned. And far too
many of those not graduating end up going to the pros. Athletes have it way too
easy. I paid for my own eduaction and had plenty of money so I don't know what
your gripe is. Four years in the Army with a year in Vietnam entitled me to
G.I. benefits. I joined the National Guard with pay while enrolled at BYU. The
Simultaneous Membership Program allowed me to keep my E-6 rank in the Guard and
enroll with a $100.00 a month stipend. I also worked as a groundskeeper for the
Osmonds at Riviera Apartments. and you know Mr. Martinez. I still had time to
play intermural sports and to play and coach city league baseball untop of that.
No sympathy for you or your sons
Athletes get "compensated" for their talents in various ways. Those
who receive full-ride scholarships get plenty. They don't have to worry about
losing that scholarship if heir GPA falls below any particular GPA (like those
who get academic scholarships). Most college students have to work in the
summers to earn spending money. Athletes get lined up with "jobs" as
well. This business with Cam Newton and the Ohio State players is a
joke, Saying that they didn't know is no excuse. "the parent is the
player" certainly spells it out for Cam Newton and selling stuff (rings,
etc.) is a clear violation as well.
Amen, sister! An excellent article, Amy!
Rodgers, mass boycotts have never worked and they won't work now. Lets see you
want everyone to stop watching TV and stop going to games. Ya I'm sure that will
work, maybe we can all stop going to the mall where we are all over charged and
lets stop getting gas for our cars since we know that's way over priced. And how
bout lets just lock ourselves up in our homes and stop being hiopcrites.
Chad.I agree I don't believe college athletes should be payed. Their college
scholarship is reward enough, but you trying to compare an athlete to a non
athlete is a joke. You sound like somone who got cut from the basketball team in
Jr. hihg school. These atlhletes, swimmers, runners, football players,
basketball players, put in hundreds of hours of work, blood sweat and tears long
before they ever even get to college, something that you never go through. They
represent their university and yes bring in revenue. Your arguement is you
should have equal benefits, my question is for what?. and yes, like it or not
athletics are a part of the college experiance had they have been from day one,
as much as you would like to you can't change that. I would suggest you go to a
school that doesn't have athletics at all that way you will feel more at home
and not so threatend.
The hipocrisy is in the fans themselves by attending all of these competitive
events and paying the outrageous prices for these "amateur" sporting
events. Stop going to the games and stop watching tv and things will change.
Will that happen? no.
@Chad SWho do you think pays for the new computers in the lab you do your
homework in? What about that new science bldg on upper campus? How else do you
think a university can keep the lights on...from tuitions alone?Make
no mistake, there is some serious hypocisy in the NCAA with how it treats it's
tier 1 athletes. It's those very athletes that cannot get a job because it
would be against the rules...nor do they have the time because of class and
practice and then games on the weekends. Last I checked, the
typical student did not have weekend commitments. I'm not sure the life of a
college athlete is as glamorous as you seem to think it is. Yes sure, there are
perks, but not as many as you think and you reap the rewards of those very
athletes each day you attend school.
Amy, a good article, but one critical factor was excluded - that the University
Presidents actually have control over the NCAA. What does that tell you about
the folks that are supposed to be caretakers of the academics and students?
They are the biggest hypocrites.
I believe the NCAA will eventually go the way of the Olympic competition.Remember when they, (the Olympians), were once denied making money?It's
impossible to monitor.
A full ride scholarship doesn't cover everything? Does this guy even realize
how ludicrous this sounds, considering most students on campus don't have any
kind of scholarship at all? Am I supposed to feel sorry for the full-ride
scholarship football athlete? The same kid that gets full-time tutoring for
free while I have to pay? The same kid that gets $1,000 in gifts from the bowl
game he plays in? The same full-ride scholarship athlete that walks around
campus like he owns the place, who gets to miss more classes than I do? These
kids are getting a quality university education at institutions that they
wouldn't otherwise be accepted academically.Don't tell me a
full-ride doesn't cover everything.
Excellent article, Ms. Donaldson. With good suggestions. As a member of a
university athletic council, I've come to understand some of the ridiculous
reporting requirements for schools participating in NCAA athletics. The NCAA is
a huge bureaucracy in itself.
The NCAA is a joke and everyone knows it. Cam Newton is the rule not the
exception. Most star college players are paid by agents while in school.There's no way to get the money out of college football but there should
be a way to distribute it more equitably with the players at all schools. Oh
wait, that would mean having a playoff so the money could go to the universities
instead of the bowls - fat chance!
Ohio State's athletic budget is $110,000,000. How much of that goes into
facilities, buffets for fat cat supporters, coaches, etc.What would
happen if they had a playoff distributed that to ALL D-1 schools, doubled the
stipend to athletes?Coaches' salaries would be reduced and people
couldn't have multi-million dollar practice facilities, but the games would
still be competitive, and they athletes could afford a thing or two.
Schools/University should be there for education. Sports can support
themselves. I can never understand why our priorities are so skewed. A college president makes far less than a football coach. People should
attend school to get an education. In Europe, if you want to play football you
work your way onto a club team. We cannot continue to sustain the current
model.Yes, the NCAA is hypocritical. Cam Newton and Reggie Bush are
no different. There is so much cheating in NCAA sports & recruiting- there
is no way to police it anymore. The NCAA is not interested in fairness or the
athletes, they are there to make sure the old boys system stays in place.