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Published: Monday, Dec. 27 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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firstamendment
Lehi, UT

Cause for concern is also that as we increasingly accept homosexual behavior as teach that it is normal, we increase the numbers of people who believe they were born gay. New research has shown that genetics play little role in homosexual expression. Environment creates homosexuals or illicits homosexuality.

Activists have been loudly pushing certain concepts upon us, and these concepts are harmful. They do their own research, misrepresent facts, hire protestors, work in shifts on Newspaper comment sections, etc.
There is much information about this available. Check narth etc.
Crafting Gay Children is an interesting article for propaganda efforts (a little biased, but good information).
I know many wonderful gays, and have gay family members that I love, but, through research, I now feel they would be happily married in eternal procreative relationships if it were not for propaganda efforts (activists were trained in Utah by a leading Canadian activist, ex-Mormon, anti-LDS propagandist, who publishes attacks on Mormons and Joseph Smith in Newspapers and other media, and helps run worldwide anti-LDS hate groups).
Love gays, but promoting it is not compassion, it ruins lives: increases violence, death, suicide, addiction, prostitution, etc. Again, check narth.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

"From my point of view, I'm feeling increasingly like a minority in our country. Not because I'm black, but because I am a Christian."

Oh for Pete's sake! Four out of five Americans identify themselves as Christians. That's a minority?

"As a Christian, I believe in the truth of traditional morality as transmitted to us through our biblical sources."

No, you don't. Fortunately for civilization, American morality is sharply at odds with the "morality" of the Bible.

The Bible sets rules for owning slaves, and never once says slavery is bad.

The Bible describes the circumstances under which rape is OK, and never says that rape a crime - except as a property loss to the husband or father.

The Bible says that women may never lead or instruct men, that people of different religious beliefs must be killed, that eating shrimp is an abomination, that women mustn't wear pants, that fields can't be planted with two crops...

If you're seeking a basis for your bigotry, you'll have to do better than citing the Bible, because Christians have already wisely, sanely, chosen to ignore most of the Bible's "morality."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Birth or choice (it's birth, I never chose to be straight) it doesn't really matter. What people do in their bedrooms is not my concern. As long as it's consentual adults, it's none of our business. If you want to go impose your idea of morality on others, then go find a country that's like that. Iran could be one, they've got that theocracy thing going on.

silas brill
Heber, UT

"And I believe, along with George Washington, who stated this clearly in his farewell address to the nation, that religion and traditional morality are critical to the maintenance of our free society."

But even George Washington hired a known homosexual, Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, whose military training methods at Valley Forge were largely responsible for Washington's subsequent successes in the Revolutionary War. Washington promoted Steuben to Inspector General. He became an American citizen. The German-American Steuben Parade is an annual parade held in numerous cities across the country. Some of Steuben's training methods are still used today.

Sal
Provo, UT

Bravo to Star Parker for identifying the root cause of our decline as a nation, our immorality. Things will not improve economically. Our nation will continue see an increase in natural disasters as we abandon God's standards. When it is bad enough Americans will repent.

PolishBear
Charleston, WV

I sincerely doubt there will be any problems following the repeal of DADT. All of our allies have successfully and uneventfully integrated Lesbians and Gay men into their militaries without problems. And most American military personnel already say they serve or have served with Gay soldiers without any problems.

For what it's worth, I really don't care if any soldier, Gay OR Straight, is disciplined or booted out of the military because of inappropriate conduct when on-duty. That's not what's at issue here. A qualified soldier should not be at risk for losing his career simply because of who he's dating on his own time. Under DADT, if Sgt. Mike is dating another man off-base, and his commanding officer is informed of this and asks him about it, Sgt. Mike can either lie or tell the truth. Either way he is jeopardizing his military career.

Hold all soldiers to the same standards of professional behavior, regardless of their sexual orientation, and the military will be able to do its job just fine. We don't need DADT to accomplish that goal.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Morality is, of course, the elephant in the room blithely ignored by this administration.

Christian morality includes tolerance of others' failures, even acceptance of those benighted by ignorance, heretical teachings, even corrupt self interest.

But it does not countenance the sliding scale. It does not reinvent or redefine moral values to satisfy political expedience or to curry favor with one or another voting constituency.

That was the beauty and strength of DADT. It permitted service by those whose strong suite was service and love of country, without justifying or exalting moral weakness.

DADT was all good LGBT soldiers asked. But it was never enough for selfish, officious, unpatriotic LGBT activists.

Their goal was never limited to equality, but to use the law to dictate moral redefinition.

This administration is courting disaster by its implementation of this ill-considered and ill-advised DADT repeal.

If it requires, not merely tolerance and acceptance of otherwise good soldiers who won't abide Christian morality -- as did DADT -- but rather, requires embracing LGBT immorality, it will destroy the military, and ultimately, the Nation.

Christy
Beaverton, OR

How sad that Ms. Star, who identifies herself as a Christian, should think that "better understanding about other people and cultures/more diversity/less racism" is our ultimate undoing.

Sensible people know that being gay or straight is not a choice, and neither is right or wrong. It just is. It's like eye-color or handedness, and just as innocuous.

Perhaps Ms. Star would better represent her faith if she were more concerned with caring for the poor and the sick, and less about openly gay soldiers being allowed to die for our country.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

"Yet, at the same time that Americans are increasingly at ease with homosexual behavior, the public says that the nation is not in good moral shape."

Wonder why?

Our banking system almost collapsed our economy in order to make huge profits and bonuses. Many are morally bankrupt.

Our politicians vote whatever way will increase their campaign donations. Many are are morally bankrupt.

Our corporations will lie, cheat, steal and kill to increase their bottom line. Many are morally bankrupt.

And you are worried about a gay guy in the military?

Joe Watts
Holladay, UT

Star Parker put her name on her beliefs and while I totally disagree with her, I respect her for not hiding behind an anonymous name.

So far there are about eight comments on this article, and seven of the eight, and perhaps all eight, have not been willing to sign their own names. The comments have been about equal on the pro and con side, but none are willing to put their name on their comment.

The Deseret News ought not to accept anonymous comments.

Joe Watts

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Sal: "Our nation will continue see an increase in natural disasters as we abandon God's standards."

You're saying that natural disasters are a punishment from God?

What you are really saying is that God kills terrified, desperate children in floods, earthquakes and fires because someone opened a Victoria's Secret in the local mall.

You are saying that God _could_ prevent natural disasters, but either chooses not to, or can't.

Think carefully about that before you take it farther.

procuradorfiscal: "But (morality) does not countenance the sliding scale. It does not reinvent or redefine moral values to satisfy political expedience or to curry favor with one or another voting constituency."

Wrong, it absolutely does. Don't be so ignorant of history!

We are hugely fortunate that religious morality _does_ undergo change. Otherwise, we'd still be killing people for working on Sundays, not letting people with birth defects into church and burning people at the stake for heresy.

The scariest people on Earth are those angrily demanding that we strictly adhere to "God's morality" and shaking their fists at the "immoral" 21st century.

They fly airplanes into buildings, remember?

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Sal | 7:41 a.m." actually, the decay of the US can be summed up with one word. Pride.

Should there be "jobs that Americans won't do"?

What about the arrogancy of the elites in politics and the media?

Pride has even trickled down to the poor. Remember the footage after Katrina with the people standing around wanting "their check"?

We are quickly approaching the point in the pride cycle where catastrophy is immenent.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

I don't know whether to laugh or cry for those who lack the simple introspection that informs us that no one chooses a sexual orientation.

And Ms. Parker's opinion only illustrates that if anything can skew a moral compass, it is religion. Bigotry hardly exists except in the name of God.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Homosexual behavior publicly condoned but morally unacceptable - Title
From my point of view, I'm feeling increasingly like a minority in our country. Not because I'm black, but because I am a Christian. - Article

These two lines are very telling.

1) That 'minorities', like self admited black people, cannot possibly make 'moral' choices.

2) That your morality somehow makes you the 'majority' and therefore 'right' in many regards.

The color of your skin does not indicate what you believe.

Only as much as the claim that homosexuals cannot be 'moral.'

Should a gay person be able to go to church? Should they be able to follow doctorine?

Should they be able to serve our country?

The answer is 'yes.'

And yet, when some make these attempts, they are labled as 'immorral' regardless of any actions taken or not taken.


Redshirt claims Pride is the downfall of morality. Trying perhaps to tie this into the anual Gay Pride' parade downtown.

Please review the 'days of 24' parade for other examples of pride.

The military is not a christian branch. It is made up of many faiths and peoples.

Even those you may not agree with.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

JW: "The Deseret News ought not to accept anonymous comments."

I disagree. The focus needs to be on the messages, not the messengers.

Ideas transcend the people who express them, and should stand or fall on their intrinsic merits, not someone's name.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'New research has shown that...' - firstamendment | 12:16 a.m.

How unfortunate then that this research dosen't have an:

1) Author
2) Date
3) Study

That we can all find.

Just the claim that it does.

'If the rate of success is defined as the percentage of clients with a HOMOsexual orientation who became HETROsexual, then this survey found a less than 0.4% success rate.'
- Religious Tolerance website
The Exodus International study was done in 1978. The year I was born. It had a 0.4% 'success' rate. The other 99.6%, had no change.

'AMA meeting: "Don't ask, don't tell" said to hurt patient care; repeal urged' - By Kevin B. O'Reilly - 11/23/09

'The House of Delegates also said a lack of marriage rights contributes to health care disparities that affect gay families.'

- The American Medical Association

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington DC, MD

This is just more pointless drivel that is used to keep the illusion of a two party system alive and our minds off issues that actually matter.

My opinion on this is that anyone who is willing and physically able should serve the constituion by joining to military. You can serve the constitution or you can serve the president. I wouldn't serve tyrants like obama and bush who lead us into pointless wars and don't stand for the constitution at all/

LDS
Cedar City, UT

I must agree that PRIDE is the greatest flaw in our nation's character. I agree with Redshirt1701 to a large degree.

There are many who are proud that they are not homosexual and will not accept those that are. They may find members of their family among the "sinners".

Let's not be casting stones. But rather be building bridges of acceptance, love and humility.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'There is much information about this available. Check narth etc.' - firstamendment | 12:16 a.m.

I do enjoy checking Narth.

The National Association for Research & Threapy of Homosexuals. Essentially, a group that tries to support that homosexuality can be 'cured.'

As if it was a disease.

Let's look at Narth's boardmembers....

As one of their board members, George Rekers, was found to be in the company of a male escort. An escort found on a website in April, 2010.

'A Heaven-Sent Rent Boy' - By FRANK RICH NY Times - 05/15/10

Line:
'61-year-old Rekers was caught by Miami New Times last month in the company of a 20-year-old male escort at Miami International Airport.'

Narth is like Exodus International, and yet, Exodus' research only showed a 0.4% change to change orientation.

I wouldn't go to Vegas with those odds.

Rekers has since resigned from Narth.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "LDS | 1:58 p.m." you forget that there are those that are so prideful that they think that the Prophets are "out of touch" and that Gays should be allowed to marry, contrary to God's laws.

To be attracted to a person of the same gender is not a sin. The sin is the homosexual relationship, and sex outside of wedlock.

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