Published: Monday, Dec. 27 2010 12:00 a.m. MST
Cause for concern is also that as we increasingly accept homosexual behavior as
teach that it is normal, we increase the numbers of people who believe they were
born gay. New research has shown that genetics play little role in homosexual
expression. Environment creates homosexuals or illicits homosexuality. Activists have been loudly pushing certain concepts upon us, and these
concepts are harmful. They do their own research, misrepresent facts, hire
protestors, work in shifts on Newspaper comment sections, etc. There is
much information about this available. Check narth etc. Crafting Gay
Children is an interesting article for propaganda efforts (a little biased, but
good information).I know many wonderful gays, and have gay family members
that I love, but, through research, I now feel they would be happily married in
eternal procreative relationships if it were not for propaganda efforts
(activists were trained in Utah by a leading Canadian activist, ex-Mormon,
anti-LDS propagandist, who publishes attacks on Mormons and Joseph Smith in
Newspapers and other media, and helps run worldwide anti-LDS hate groups). Love gays, but promoting it is not compassion, it ruins lives: increases
violence, death, suicide, addiction, prostitution, etc. Again, check narth.
"From my point of view, I'm feeling increasingly like a minority in our
country. Not because I'm black, but because I am a Christian."Oh for Pete's sake! Four out of five Americans identify themselves as
Christians. That's a minority? "As a Christian, I believe in
the truth of traditional morality as transmitted to us through our biblical
sources."No, you don't. Fortunately for civilization, American
morality is sharply at odds with the "morality" of the Bible.The Bible sets rules for owning slaves, and never once says slavery is bad.The Bible describes the circumstances under which rape is OK, and never
says that rape a crime - except as a property loss to the husband or father.The Bible says that women may never lead or instruct men, that people of
different religious beliefs must be killed, that eating shrimp is an
abomination, that women mustn't wear pants, that fields can't be planted with
two crops...If you're seeking a basis for your bigotry, you'll have
to do better than citing the Bible, because Christians have already wisely,
sanely, chosen to ignore most of the Bible's "morality."
Birth or choice (it's birth, I never chose to be straight) it doesn't really
matter. What people do in their bedrooms is not my concern. As long as it's
consentual adults, it's none of our business. If you want to go impose your idea
of morality on others, then go find a country that's like that. Iran could be
one, they've got that theocracy thing going on.
"And I believe, along with George Washington, who stated this clearly in
his farewell address to the nation, that religion and traditional morality are
critical to the maintenance of our free society."But even
George Washington hired a known homosexual, Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, whose
military training methods at Valley Forge were largely responsible for
Washington's subsequent successes in the Revolutionary War. Washington promoted
Steuben to Inspector General. He became an American citizen. The
German-American Steuben Parade is an annual parade held in numerous cities
across the country. Some of Steuben's training methods are still used today.
Bravo to Star Parker for identifying the root cause of our decline as a nation,
our immorality. Things will not improve economically. Our nation will continue
see an increase in natural disasters as we abandon God's standards. When it is
bad enough Americans will repent.
I sincerely doubt there will be any problems following the repeal of DADT. All
of our allies have successfully and uneventfully integrated Lesbians and Gay men
into their militaries without problems. And most American military personnel
already say they serve or have served with Gay soldiers without any problems.For what it's worth, I really don't care if any soldier, Gay OR
Straight, is disciplined or booted out of the military because of inappropriate
conduct when on-duty. That's not what's at issue here. A qualified soldier
should not be at risk for losing his career simply because of who he's dating on
his own time. Under DADT, if Sgt. Mike is dating another man off-base, and his
commanding officer is informed of this and asks him about it, Sgt. Mike can
either lie or tell the truth. Either way he is jeopardizing his military
career.Hold all soldiers to the same standards of professional
behavior, regardless of their sexual orientation, and the military will be able
to do its job just fine. We don't need DADT to accomplish that goal.
Morality is, of course, the elephant in the room blithely ignored by this
administration.Christian morality includes tolerance of others'
failures, even acceptance of those benighted by ignorance, heretical teachings,
even corrupt self interest.But it does not countenance the sliding
scale. It does not reinvent or redefine moral values to satisfy political
expedience or to curry favor with one or another voting constituency.That was the beauty and strength of DADT. It permitted service by those whose
strong suite was service and love of country, without justifying or exalting
moral weakness.DADT was all good LGBT soldiers asked. But it was
never enough for selfish, officious, unpatriotic LGBT activists.Their goal was never limited to equality, but to use the law to dictate moral
redefinition.This administration is courting disaster by its
implementation of this ill-considered and ill-advised DADT repeal.If
it requires, not merely tolerance and acceptance of otherwise good soldiers who
won't abide Christian morality -- as did DADT -- but rather, requires embracing
LGBT immorality, it will destroy the military, and ultimately, the Nation.
How sad that Ms. Star, who identifies herself as a Christian, should think that
"better understanding about other people and cultures/more diversity/less
racism" is our ultimate undoing. Sensible people know that
being gay or straight is not a choice, and neither is right or wrong. It just
is. It's like eye-color or handedness, and just as innocuous.Perhaps Ms. Star would better represent her faith if she were more concerned
with caring for the poor and the sick, and less about openly gay soldiers being
allowed to die for our country.
"Yet, at the same time that Americans are increasingly at ease with
homosexual behavior, the public says that the nation is not in good moral
shape."Wonder why?Our banking system almost
collapsed our economy in order to make huge profits and bonuses. Many are
morally bankrupt.Our politicians vote whatever way will increase
their campaign donations. Many are are morally bankrupt.Our
corporations will lie, cheat, steal and kill to increase their bottom line.
Many are morally bankrupt.And you are worried about a gay guy in the
Star Parker put her name on her beliefs and while I totally disagree with her, I
respect her for not hiding behind an anonymous name.So far there are
about eight comments on this article, and seven of the eight, and perhaps all
eight, have not been willing to sign their own names. The comments have been
about equal on the pro and con side, but none are willing to put their name on
their comment.The Deseret News ought not to accept anonymous
comments. Joe Watts
Sal: "Our nation will continue see an increase in natural disasters as we
abandon God's standards."You're saying that natural disasters
are a punishment from God? What you are really saying is that God
kills terrified, desperate children in floods, earthquakes and fires because
someone opened a Victoria's Secret in the local mall.You are saying
that God _could_ prevent natural disasters, but either chooses not to, or
can't.Think carefully about that before you take it farther.procuradorfiscal: "But (morality) does not countenance the sliding
scale. It does not reinvent or redefine moral values to satisfy political
expedience or to curry favor with one or another voting constituency."Wrong, it absolutely does. Don't be so ignorant of history! We are hugely fortunate that religious morality _does_ undergo change.
Otherwise, we'd still be killing people for working on Sundays, not letting
people with birth defects into church and burning people at the stake for
heresy.The scariest people on Earth are those angrily demanding that
we strictly adhere to "God's morality" and shaking their fists at the
"immoral" 21st century.They fly airplanes into buildings,
To "Sal | 7:41 a.m." actually, the decay of the US can be summed up
with one word. Pride.Should there be "jobs that Americans
won't do"?What about the arrogancy of the elites in politics
and the media?Pride has even trickled down to the poor. Remember
the footage after Katrina with the people standing around wanting "their
check"?We are quickly approaching the point in the pride cycle
where catastrophy is immenent.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry for those who lack the simple introspection
that informs us that no one chooses a sexual orientation.And Ms.
Parker's opinion only illustrates that if anything can skew a moral compass, it
is religion. Bigotry hardly exists except in the name of God.
Homosexual behavior publicly condoned but morally unacceptable - Title
From my point of view, I'm feeling increasingly like a minority in our country.
Not because I'm black, but because I am a Christian. - Article These
two lines are very telling. 1) That 'minorities', like self admited
black people, cannot possibly make 'moral' choices. 2) That your
morality somehow makes you the 'majority' and therefore 'right' in many
regards. The color of your skin does not indicate what you
believe. Only as much as the claim that homosexuals cannot be
'moral.' Should a gay person be able to go to church? Should they be
able to follow doctorine? Should they be able to serve our
country? The answer is 'yes.' And yet, when some make
these attempts, they are labled as 'immorral' regardless of any actions taken or
not taken. Redshirt claims Pride is the downfall of morality.
Trying perhaps to tie this into the anual Gay Pride' parade downtown. Please review the 'days of 24' parade for other examples of pride. The military is not a christian branch. It is made up of many faiths and
peoples. Even those you may not agree with.
JW: "The Deseret News ought not to accept anonymous comments."I disagree. The focus needs to be on the messages, not the messengers.
Ideas transcend the people who express them, and should stand or
fall on their intrinsic merits, not someone's name.
'New research has shown that...' - firstamendment | 12:16 a.m. How
unfortunate then that this research dosen't have an: 1) Author
2) Date 3) Study That we can all find. Just the
claim that it does. 'If the rate of success is defined as the
percentage of clients with a HOMOsexual orientation who became HETROsexual, then
this survey found a less than 0.4% success rate.' - Religious Tolerance
website The Exodus International study was done in 1978. The year I was
born. It had a 0.4% 'success' rate. The other 99.6%, had no change.
'AMA meeting: "Don't ask, don't tell" said to hurt patient care;
repeal urged' - By Kevin B. O'Reilly - 11/23/09 'The House of
Delegates also said a lack of marriage rights contributes to health care
disparities that affect gay families.' - The American Medical
This is just more pointless drivel that is used to keep the illusion of a two
party system alive and our minds off issues that actually matter. My
opinion on this is that anyone who is willing and physically able should serve
the constituion by joining to military. You can serve the constitution or you
can serve the president. I wouldn't serve tyrants like obama and bush who lead
us into pointless wars and don't stand for the constitution at all/
I must agree that PRIDE is the greatest flaw in our nation's character. I agree
with Redshirt1701 to a large degree.There are many who are proud
that they are not homosexual and will not accept those that are. They may find
members of their family among the "sinners".Let's not be
casting stones. But rather be building bridges of acceptance, love and
'There is much information about this available. Check narth etc.' -
firstamendment | 12:16 a.m. I do enjoy checking Narth.
The National Association for Research & Threapy of Homosexuals. Essentially,
a group that tries to support that homosexuality can be 'cured.' As
if it was a disease. Let's look at Narth's boardmembers.... As one of their board members, George Rekers, was found to be in the company
of a male escort. An escort found on a website in April, 2010. 'A
Heaven-Sent Rent Boy' - By FRANK RICH NY Times - 05/15/10 Line:'61-year-old Rekers was caught by Miami New Times last month in the company of
a 20-year-old male escort at Miami International Airport.' Narth is
like Exodus International, and yet, Exodus' research only showed a 0.4% change
to change orientation. I wouldn't go to Vegas with those odds. Rekers has since resigned from Narth.
To "LDS | 1:58 p.m." you forget that there are those that are so
prideful that they think that the Prophets are "out of touch" and that
Gays should be allowed to marry, contrary to God's laws.To be
attracted to a person of the same gender is not a sin. The sin is the
homosexual relationship, and sex outside of wedlock.
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