The potential of great exposure is there. But, let me say this....New Mexico
State's access to ESPN was as good as Boise States in the past, due to the WAC
contract with ESPN. The reason Boise St was annointed the chosen ones and not
New Mexico State (or another WAC doormat) and featured so often was because they
were winning.If BYU starts out 0-4 next year (real possibility), is
ESPN really going to want to pump a 0-4 BYU team against a terrible Utah State
team on it's main ESPN channel. Probably not. They might get televised on
ESPNU on a Wednesday night or something, but nothing where there would be
"national exposure". ESPN only gets BYU's home games...and next year
the opponents for home games are WEAK (understatement), so the only way BYU gets
national exposure in this deal is if they are a winning team. The pressure is
on to beat Miss St, Texas, Utah, etc so that the exposure BYU so desperately
wants in this deal will be there.
BSU, welcome to limited TV and many black out games.BYU, welcome to
the exposure of the global TV network.Utah, good luck of finding a
TV station. (QVC channel might have open slot about 1-4 am)
Does Kyle let ARod go or does he pull a Ron McBride in Keeping OC Tommy Lee one
season too long? Utah's offense is a joke and Kyle's loyalty ARod
will cost Utah a decent season next year. Tommy Lee couldn't coach
his way out of paper bag and cost Ron his job. Kyle's got a BIG
DECISION to make!
While TV Exposure is 1 of many factors, it is clearly not the biggest factor.
There are many other teams in the WAC that received similar exposure, but not
the same success.I believe a weak conference and the ability to WIN has
been much more important. The next couple of years will determine if the UTES
are going to win and attract big recruits or lose and sink into obscurity. BYU's independence should allow them to schedule appropriate competition.
While I want to see them schedule big name teams, I also want to see them win.
It should be fun watching them find the balance.
Do you really think ESPN would have put them on TV if they didn't think BSU was
doing something people wanted to see. There are tens of teams looking to air
time. Credit BSU with being willing to swallow their pride and play a schedule
that enabled them to get exposure.But I don't think many of these
players showed up in Boise to play in a location where many of their families
would not be able to see them play if they didn't firmly believe in the program.
ESPN is not what has these guys showing up to play in Boise. If is their
coaches, and the type of program they have built. ESPN is part of
the solution, but I don't think the Mountain is the problem. TCU has had not
problem getting national recognition. Nevada burst on to the national stage
this year without a deep ESPN contract. It is coaching and quality of programs.
ESPN will follow - not lead these programs.
bigutefanThe Utes did lose to some very good teams, but the Utes
also lost big to an average Notre Dame, and were lucky they didn't lose to Air
Force, SDSU, and BYU.Wynn's status as Utah's starting QB was already
drawing criticism from Utah fans and it's doubtful six months of rehab on that
injured shoulder is going to improve Wynn's timing, accuracy or confidence next
season.Heaps was by far the more poised and confident of the two. An
off-season of mastering the offense and honing the timing with his receivers is
going to make Heaps and the BYU offense scary good next season.
The answer to the questions are.....because Boise is experienced. When you have
a QB that has started for three years, and the entire defense returning from the
previous year, chances are you are in rhythm and are a pretty good team. The
Utes lost to two of the best teams in college football this year. No shame to
that. Notre Dame is a storied program. Utah didn't start the season on the cover
of Sports Illustrated, ranked in the top 5 or was even predicted to win the
conference. Utah had a great year. Jordan has only played a handful games more
than Heaps. By the time these two players are seniors, watch what difference it
makes in how well the team operates. Give credit to experience, it's nothing the
Utes can't get or will have.
Re: BSU Fans,I've loved watching BSU's rise to national prominence.
It reminded me of BYU's rise during the 1980's. The Bronco's offer a great brand
of football, and have developed a national following. It's too bad
that BSU will come to a MWC devoid of it's top tier, as they've bolted for
greener pastures, and to be throttled by the MW's horrid tv contract. That
national following will struggle to watch BSU, until that contract goes away.I was hoping the see the MWC become the wrench in the works of the BCS.
But I've watched how the BCS works, they wait until a non-AQ team rises, then
they invite them to the party, thus ending the threat (excepting BSU and BYU).
My guess is that BSU will eventually be invited to join a BCS conference,
provided they can continue their success. Good luck in future seasons.
Does ESPN exposure help in recruiting? Yes. How much, well you decide:According to Scouts over the last decade the average class rankings
are:1. BYU 46.672. Utah 68.223. TCU 70.784. Boise
72.11So it seems it is BYU playing with less exposure on the MTN
that has the best recruits. As the article mentioned Utah has more
NFL talent. The NFL draft picks over the same period:1. Utah 272. TCU 242. BYU 204. Boise 12One would think that with
a decade of exposure on ESPN they would have better recruiting classes and NFL
talent.So could it be that Boise by playing in a ONE team plus a
bunch of cupcakes conference has more to do with their success then exposure due
to ESPN?Boise has done great, just like BYU when they dominated the
I grew up in Boise back in the 50's and 60's and have lived in Idaho all of my
life. I believe that there are few places in this country that are just special
in some hard to put into words way and Boise is one of them. The kids who come
here to play ball understand this. Coach Petersen has said as much himself
numerous times. And the community does not have any professional teams for
competition either. At whatever level they have played at they have always been
one of the best and I do not see this changing anytime soon.
To OU812Your stats are not correct. Navy has defeated ND 3 of the
Boise State is clearly the loser in this shakeup. If they would have known that
BYU, Utah and TCU were leaving the conference; there is no way they leave the
WAC. And if BSU doesn't leave, neither do the others.BSU will wilt
into medicrity over the next few years. They needed the media attention to
recruit even more than BYU or Utah. And, I don't understand the
debate between BYU and Utah's moves. Utah is clearly in a better place by
joining the PAC than they were in the MWC. BYU is clearly in a better place by
going independent than they were in the MWC. I just hope the
rivalry continues. BYU's gotten a couple of lucky breaks to win some close
games. This year, Utah got a couple of lucky breaks to win the game.The other loser in this shakeup is The Mtn. I heard about 70% of their ad
revenue comes from Utah and Dallas. With BYU, Utah and TCU gone; this ad
revenue will dry up and the station will be backrupt within a couple of years.
To answer Teddy Bear 's question, the number is very small. In fact I don't
recall any top player from Utah in a long time. Most of Boise's players come
from California, Arizona, Oregon, a few from Washington and now Texas with a
smattering from Canada. We even have two to three from Europe. We have several
who were recruited by Utah and BYU but they were not from there.
Boise has been a fun team to watch. This article was well written and thought
out. The bad news for BSU is the MTN Network. It is not good for BSU or anyone
else, just ask BYU, Utah, TCU or even Air Force.As a non-follower of
BSU, I have watched them more the last few years than my team BYU, or Utah,
because they have been on TV. I am sure that has got to help big when it comes
to recruiting. That is about to end. Lastly, I have actually been
on that blue turf. the field itself is terrible, like playing on felt carpet.
It's an old field. Seriously, how can a team be taken seriously when they play
on a field affectionately called "Smurf Turf." It is more distracting
than anything. Do I care what color they have? Not really. But grass seems to
work for everyone else.
Boise gets better players because they actually run awesome plays.They also play to win and go for it on 4th down, run fake punts, and count on
their players to pull it off.BYU made the right decision mixing up
their coaching staff. Get someone in here who can be a bit more creative. Utah is solid but they still need to play to win.
Now someone please present an argument for why the PAC is better situation to be
in? And please do not refer to the PAC as "The Conference of
Champions" They have not won a NC in football since 2004, and that was
taken away. Since it is obvious that Utah could never have a chance
as an Independent. They are doing the best thing possible in joining a BCS
conference.Here is what I see... Conference=LimitationUtah will have nearly every limitation they
did in the MWC (Besides the obvious AQ Status). Will make more money, and
*might* receive better recruits, but that depends solely on how Utah performs.
Utah will be competing with the likes of USC, Standford, Oregon, and Cal. All
of which have much more to offer than Utah does. And Utah is still limited to
conference play. I just dont see how this is any better than
Independence? I agree it is a big move and I congratulate Utah for the ability
to make it. It is a much better option than the MWC.
All of this bickering is pointless. Both BYU and Utah fans present good
arguments as to why there team is in better shape than the other. But lets look
at the facts.If Utah had the option of going Independent, you bet
your bottom dollar they would. However, they lack any substance of a National
Fanbase, and have no program tradition or history pre-2005. Thus: No ESPN
deal.Going independent and going to the PAC are equally risky. But I will tell you why being Independent is a ultimately a better position to
be in. Independence=Freedom! BYU will have the freedom
to do its own thing. Freedom to schedule games all over the country with teams
in every conference, which means quality opponents and more exposure. Freedom
to recruit players in the South, South-East, and East Coast (See exposure).
Freedom to make and keep all revenue $$$, the freedom to grow and reach a whole
new potential! Essentially, the Freedom to control there own destiny. The goal was to increase exposure. Not to win a Championship or BCS game right
off. Exposure will allow the program to grow into bigger and better things!
I'd be interested in seeing a list of players that were heavily recruited by
Utah/BYU and opted instead to attend BSU in the past 3-4 years. If the list
isn't very long, then one can argue that recruits aren't opting BSU over the
Utah schools at all; that is is a different recruiting base all together and
doesn't have an impact on Utah or BYU. I think BSU gets a lot of Texas and Cali
RE: DH48I'm wondering the same thing for BSU. Though the Mtn has
expanded into some new territory it won't be the same. Here's hoping that the
Bronco momentum will be enough to lead them away from the MWC soon enough or a
complete disaassembly of the whole broadcast nightmare into something better.Had Utah and BYU stayed in the conference and some of the bottomfeeders
gone to D-2 the MWC might have been something and eventually gotten AQ
status.Well things will work out for BSU and BYU. Not sure what the
Utes are getting going to the PAC-12. Looks to me a 6-6 season at best. It's
certainly not with any momentum they thought they would have!BYU by
far is the big winner with ESPN and BYU-TV rebroadcast rights. Crank up that new
HD studio baby!
@ou812 and utefan123LOL Wishful thinking on your parts doesn't make
a truth. Keep wishing and suffering as your wishes aren't granted. LOL
Hey @ UteFan123, when does BYU play on Tues/Wed nights? I checked BYU's 2011
schedule, you know, the first one where they play as independents. I only see
Saturday games, plus two Friday games that BYU insisted on. Also, I don't see
any WAC teams on BYU's schedule in 2013 on. Pay attention, this isn't August 31
anymore. A lot of things have developed since then.Also, since you
haven't been paying attention, I'm sure you missed the fact that BYU is one of
only a handful of athletic programs in the nation that are financially running
in the black. All of the extra money BYU will be bringing in will certainly be
nice, but they were doing just fine financially even in the crummy MWC.Also well documented, BYU and Utah only meet head-to-head on a handful of
recruits each year. Sorry you are so clueless...I wish you well as
a fan of your program, but as an anti-fan, you have some work to do.
Most Y fans hate the mtn and MWC and Hair Thompson more than utah. BYUs
broadcasting facility is way better than the mwc's and ESPN will borrow BYUs to
help with the games. Texas visits to learn how to do it, glad I'm a Cougar right
Alternate there were far less BYU fans then UTEP fans and BYU only sold 2500 of
their allotted tickets to the bowl. Nice try though. BYU will
struggle in the next few years against the revenue Utah will receive not only
from the PAC-12 revenue deal but also the BCS bowl money. Utahs
recruiting has already picked up thanks to their Pac invite. Scouts has Utah
receiving commitments from 3 of the top 5 in Utah and ranks their class 40th
(BYU 54th) if Utah lands Langi that is 4 of the top 5. Utah will
continue to out recruit BYU and because they are a BCS program will be able to
add depth. Face it BYU fans your admin panicked knowing they were not going
anywhere in the MWC and with Utah going to the PAC-12 they had another knee jerk
reaction. Have fun rubbing your nickles together and playing on Tuesday and Wed
nights against your sub .500 teams.
BYU fans thinks everything will be fine with this independent contract. How's ND
doing? They were on top of the college football world when they got this
contract with NBC. Now they struggle to beat Navy, whom they hadn't lost to in
50 years. I see the same happening to BYU. There is good publicity and bad
publicity. BSU beat some pretty impressive teams on national TV. I don't think
BYU has it to beat the Texas' and so forth on national TV, but as Lavell used to
always say, "we'll sure try."BYUs big games were on ESPN back in
the day. Remember, Detmer made ESPN his personal playing ground, but it still
didn't amount to an elite, NC contender team. UTAH can go 11-1 or 10-2 and if
the chips fall right, play for the NC. BYU, much like BSU, has to run the table
to even get mentioned. If they lose to Texas, they are not worthy, if they beat
Texas and lose in the WAC, like BSU, out of the picture. EDGE Utah.
Boise State has been a great program for a decade now. It started with coaching,
and that has continued even when Hawkins left and Peterson has kept it going.
Every year is different, but this year, BSU returned nearly the entire
starting line-up, so of course they are going to be good after getting into the
BCS the prior year. I believe they should have made a BCS game again this year.
So national coverage is only 1/3 of the story, coaching and recruiting are
the other, and since national coverage helps recruiting, it accounts for
probably 1/2. Utah and BYU both need to get OCs and BYU´s head
coach really should keep the DC position too, because he is not going to be a
great head coach if he pulls in a DC that doesn´t buy in completely to the
same defensive philosophy. Utah and Coach Whit are lucky in this regard as
Sitake, although somewhat still an aprentice, is fully committed to the same D
Philosophy as Coach Whit, which showed as the Utes held BSU to their fewest
points all season long.
"I am sure millions will be flocking to watch BYU USU, BYU New Mexico
St"Those are the very types of game Boise State used to move
from Div I-AA unknown, to national prominence.The big difference for
BYU is the Cougars already have a national reputation and national fan base, but
in addition to those WAC teams, BYU will also be playing teams like Texas, Ol'
Miss, Utah, and Oregon State in their first year as an independent, and teams
like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and Boise State in years to follow.All BYU needs to do is win. The exposure and ESPN hype machine will take care
The naysayers mocking BYU's home games next season are "conveniently"
overlooking the fact that ESPN also has tie-ins with other conferences, so don't
be too surprised to see BYU's games at Ol' Miss and Texas also broadcast on
ESPN.Along with Utah and CFU, BYU could have four ESPN games in the
month of September. A fast start could quickly propel BYU into the national
limelight, something the naysayers are dreading, which is why they continue to
pretend that the only teams on BYU's schedule next year are the remnants of the
WAC.On the flip side, Boise State is heading for the MTN, which
means the Boise State brand will disappear into the abyss.
The Mountain has been a total disaster for both programs. Both would have
flourished under an ESPN contract but lived in animosity on the Mtn. As a Bronco
fan I worry what will happen now. Joining the Mtn West was a major mistake.
Lifelong Republican makes a good point. BYU wanted more TV exposure and after
Utah and TCU leave, exposure gets worse. BYU had to leave for its own survival.
The sad fact is that the MWC is still saddled with the pukey TV contract until
2012 or 2013 as I recall. A little more money and playing on Saturday isn't all
it is cracked up to be. Face it: ESPN is hard to beat even if the money isn't as
good. As a Boise fan, I think we ought to consider going the BYU/indie route. It
can't be worse than WAC 2.0.
A few comments on Ute123's rant. The 2011 schedule looks a lot like the Utha
2010. Play some easy games and some hard games. I guess if you are a devout
Utah fan, it's ok for Utah to play a mixed schedule but not ok for BYU. It
appears now that if Utah and BYU had switched 2010 schedules, Utah would likely
have lost more than 3 games and BYU would likey have won more than 7. BTW Utah
has a very easy PAC schedule for next year. Each team skips two teams, Utah
misses Oregon and Stanford. The best of the PAC this year with young teams.
They also dropped Boise State for Montana State.So maybe you need to
critical of your own team also. On to the bowl game, you obviously
didn't go to or watch the game. UTEP's home is in TX not NM. The game drew
over 20,000 and more than half of those wore blue. Not bad for a New Mexico
bowl in an city that is expensive to fly to and a long drive in what was a very
bad weather week.
Boise is expanding Bronco Stadium to 53000 ultimately and I for one think we
will have a hard time getting that many people at $50 to $75 per seat (the
current rate) to watch us play MWC teams. The exception will be when we play BYU
and that only because of the large LDS population in Boise area. Aside from
that, we won't get 35,000 for even the best MWC teams. We don't put 33500 in the
stadium as it currently exists. The exceptions would be Oregon and other Pac 10
teams. For this old country boy, I can't see any real increase in the number of
fans who turn out until and unless we get some serious competition coming to
town and that won't happen in the MWC.
Hmmm I wonder which is better playing San Jose State, or playing Montana State
(yes that's right, Montana STATE, not the perennial FCS powerhouse Montana).
I think that both BYU and Utah will benefit from their moves with greater
publicity. Even if the Utes struggle their first few years, they will still be
known as a Pac-12 school and that will help their recruiting. Everyone wants to
lump them in with Washington State as a loser school, but just remember as bad
as Washington State is we all know who they are.
This article is about Boise, not BYU or Utah.The sad point that has
been missed is that now BSU is exiled to the same mtn. network while still
playing in the WAC 2.0 (the new MWC without BYU, Utah and TCU. The point of the
article could be that it is the beginning of the end for the Broncos.
Look at BSUs roster - Lots of kids from Texas and the rest of the Bible Belt.
Without ESPN great football and the blue field, they don't get those recruits.
In contrast, only FSW broadcasts PAC games, not generally available in the Bible
Belt. So Utah gets exposure on the west coast, where 11 other teams are trying
to recruit, while BSU and BYU get exposure nationwide, including in Football
Nirvana - the South.Utah has taken a step backward.
Boise State fans have serious misgivings about The MWC. Namely, it isn't much
different than the WAC. We have even heard referred to as WAC 2.0 or Son of WAC.
Add to it the really AWFUL TV contract and many of think the move was the wrong
one. We should have stayed put and let the MWC recede into the sunset. There
really isn't much benefit for us. Can anyone tell us what it is if we are wrong?
Not so far.
UteFan123 says what he hopes will happen, not what he thinks will happen. How
sad when someones happiness is predicated upon the failure of others. How sad
that UteFan123 will remain sad for many years to come.Go Cougars!
Could it be that these yong men WANT to come to Boise because Coach Pete is a
class act coach, because Boise IS a great place to live AND because we HAVE used
the great marketing tool of the blue turf? Could it be that EVERYONE KNOWS
about the blue turf, the quality of life here in Boise and and the fact we don't
act like the Utes ....arrognat and conceited? Utes...you need to change
your image somehow. You are not very well respected. THAT is YOUR problem!
Seems ESPN has grown up a bit. They have scheduled BYU into...only two Friday
night games and both at the insistance of BYU. The games are prime evening games
too. Not the nightmare schedule the naysayers predicted. I am okay
with games during the week but I would rather leave Fridays for the high schools
as has been the traditional case. But shorting other teams practice time to
meet your schedule is also a tactic that Boise used to it's benefit.Either way, Utah will get on TV when the regional PAC 12 channel wants to
showcase their opponent not when they want to be on.ESPN will work
to make BYU a favorite.Great to follow the Cougars.
Utah has no one to blame but themselves.If they would have stayed in
the MWC, TCU and BYU would have stayed. Add in a good BSU team and get out of
the MTN deal and you have a pretty good set up.Instead they make a
hasty move for some quick cash and are now going to be stuck in the middle of
the Pac. Recruiting isn't going to improve as their teams rise to the middle of
the Pac. Attendance isn't going to improve except when one or two of the
premiere teams show up. Maybe USC or UCLA but is anybody going to get excited
when ASU comes to town?BYU and Utah are two teams headed in opposite
I am sure millions will be flocking to watch BYU USU, BYU New Mexico St and so
on. We just witnessed Samuelson and Holmoe;s independent blue print. Play below .500 or sub .500 teams from Conference USA and the WAC. In half
filled stadiums, while bringing marginal fan support (Sold only 2,500 tickets to
New Mexico bowl) to the visiting opponents stadium. Shows a great
recipe for success.Have fun being independent and irrelevant BYU fans could not
of happened to a better program
The key ingredient to Boise State's fast rise...winning and winning big football
games. The exposure wouldn't have meant a thing if they hadn't won ballgames.
Well Live Hard...we know that you will be one of the many watching BYU on ESPN
regardless of time slot...or your dubious but vain motive of being a detractor.
Rock has made the point that exposure is everything. Chris Peterson is the
reason for that exposure at BSU. Over the years having coaches like Lavell
Edwards, Doug Scovil, Robbie Boscoe, Bronco Mendenhall and even Kyle
Whittingham...as well as his father are the reason that BYU, the Old WAC, and
the Mountain West started receiving the exposure in the late 70's and continues
to do so today... despite the BCS mentallity that we live with. These are
coaches with vision. Utah's entrance into that exposure market really started
when Urban Meyer left here at Bowling Green State Univertsity and took Utah to
it's first undefeated season and a BCS bowl game...and continues now under Kyle
Whitingham.Before Bronco Mendenhall and his administrative hired
O.C. Robert Anae... plays like the statue of liberty the hook and ladder the
fake punt were only part of BYU's play book. The double pass, the fumblerooskie
and others were also. Detmer would bring them all back.
This article is right on the money. With Utah's solid BCS wins, the only way to
account for BSU getting some better recruits there is exposure on ESPN. You
have to play on ESPN now in college football in order to compete.
@ Live hardHere is the beauty of the whole shakeup. BYU is one of
only two D-1 Football schools which have Independent TV contracts with a Major
Network.Notre Dame and BYU.BYU has an 8 year deal,
whereby ESPN has all home game rights to BYU's basketball and football, with
same day re-broadcasts on International BYU-TV.ESPN must carry at
least 3 home games but have rights to all. Most are predicting at least 6-7 of
BYU's games will be televised by ESPN next year.While all others
will be on their own National Network, basic tier.BYU has planned
this for 10 years and been building it for 5. Everything is in place.When U of Texas follows BYU's lead, then something is working right.It is just frustrating to the Ute Kingdon to realize that even after Utah was
invited to the Socialistic Model of a Conference, that BYU has still landed in a
much better place.BYU will not only better Utah in revenues, but
more importantly, they will have greater Access and Exposure.Utah,
meanwhile is about to join Washington State in the land of Obscurity.ByeByeRecruits
ESPN has helped generate BSU's national following. There some other factors
that have also helped.BSU plays an exciting brand of
football....they're fun to watch. Every game has some surprises.BSU
is easy to separate from other teams because they play on a blue field. People
fly from all over the US to experience a game on the blue field. Some take cheap
shots about the blue field, but from a marketing/advertising point of view, it's
worth millions, ask any marketing person.
Good article however it isn't just ESPN. It's the style of ball they play.
It's just plain fun to watch BSU play. It's the coaching staff that has created
a unique family culture. It's being in Boise where BSU is "it." In
Salt Lake, Utah and BYU can come after the Jazz and other venues many times.It's also the blue field, which turns out to be the best advertising in
the country. It's easy to bad mouth the color, but if you turn on the TV and
see a blue field you know "Boise State." Players come to play on the
blue and people come from all over the US to walk on the blue and have their
pictures taken there.In summary it is ESPN, but it's also other
things as well.
Kellen Moore and Petis were players Whit passed by.
More exposure is good for anybody. Competition is what the Utes thrive on.
Their biggest question will be whether kids offered by USC and UCLA would rather
come to Salt Lake. That's an unknown at this point.The Utes
apparently need a quarterback who won't be seriously injured by the fourth game.
Looking at the schedule, the current starter should not be expected to last
into the m onth of October.BYU risks the same outcome, but with a
better quarterback.Neither program can expect to overcome injuries
to win big games, because the rosters aren't deep enough. That will change for
both teams over time.Good luck to both teams and to their coaches.
Much success against the big boys!
Live Hard, read bad.Perhaps you should reread the article. Boise
State's willingness to play the Thursday and Friday games and the attendant
exposure is what enabled it to rise from D-II to one of the best programs in the
country in a very short period of time. Now BYU will have that kind
of exposure, but rather than starting from the ground up, they can build upon a
base of being a perennial Top 25 program -- averaging five top 25 finishes per
decade over the last 30 years, including four top 10's.The only
person who can see that exposure as a bad thing is a blinded hater. (Who,
ironically, will probably watch those games and will certainly comment on them.
BYU better be ready for whats about to happen to them in the next couple of
years. The first year is going to be critical for them. With the exposure
through ESPN they better not have a repeat of the debacle we had this year.Go Cougars!!!
And now every BYU game will be on ESPN.