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Heavily Republican Utah wins 4th House seat

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  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 8:58 p.m.

    Rebel you are almost guaranteeing a democratic seat in the SL district. The repubs in the legislature would be crazy to allow that to happen. I am not saying Southern utah doesnt get a seat but the salt lake valley will be split at least three ways.

  • Rebel-Aggie Provo, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    Give Southern Utah a seat, and let Salt Lake have its own seat, without including the rural. That's the best solution.

  • Kebert Xela Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    Grover:

    Not to bicker, but you're wrong on your statewide race number. Rampton (D) won in '72, so obviously got the majority there. Matheson (D) won in '76 and '80 again had to get the majority.

    Conversely, Stewart Hanson (D) lost the '92 Governor's race with 23% of the total vote. In '08 Springmeyer (D) came in South of 20%. I think Utah votes more for the candidate in many instances than people want to admit.

    I personally hope they carve it up so that we get a slim majority Republican in all four districts.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    To Tom in CA: Not to worry about your financial problems. Your new governor, Jerry Brown, will step in and do to you what Obama has done to the rest of us.

    Get your check book out and get ready to pay more than your "fair share".

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    "Consider" this: I have participated in Utah elections since the 70's and I cannot remember a single election where the Democrat has had more than 39% in a Statewide election. More significantly, I can't remember a single time where they have polled less than 30%.

    This leaves two choices for the majority party. One would be to try to surgically carve up the four districts to improve the chance of electing a Republican in all four. The other would be to carve out a "safe" Democratic seat so that the other districts would only have a fight in primary.

    The legislature has chosen the second path when setting districts for themselves. This past election showed that very few seats were closely contested. The few Democrats that won (22%) all won by huge majorities which is a strange result in a State with so many Republicans.

    Anyone who thinks four safe Republican seats are possible when roughly a third of the State votes Democratic is smoking more than Lucky Strikes.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Dec. 22, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    XelaDave whines about the high rate of incumbent retention (@10:11am Dec 21) and also praises Iowa for having the most competitive elections in the last 20 years thanks to their particular redistricting model (@11:00 am Dec 21). XelaDave has defined competitive districts as being within a 5% margin of victory.

    Ive tracked Iowa Congressional elections from the 1980's, so lets look at some facts for the last 10 election cycles (20 years):

    10 election cycles X 5 districts = 50 Congressional elections

    Number of incumbents who were defeated by non-incumbent challengers: 2
    1994 Greg Ganske (R) over Neal Smith (D)
    2006 Dave Loebsack (D) over Jim Leach (R)

    Thats a 96% success rate for the incumbents in Iowa. Most of the turnover is due to incumbents not seeking re-election.

    Over this same period there were only 6 contests within a 5% margin of victory (12% of contests).

    In at least half of the six close contests, the closeness of the election had more to do with the partisan swing of the national mood than because of the way the districts were drawn.

    My point? The brilliance of Iowa redistricting is overblown.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    Why do we have so many people who choose to live in Utah and then spend so much time complaining about local culture? Do some people just like to be miserable?

    I'm not a "love it or leave it" kind of guy. But neither do I believe in being miserable. I've lived coast to coast in this nation. It is a big, beautiful, diverse nation. And in liberal areas, nobody gives a rat's behind about what the minority conservatives think.

    In such areas I would face heavy prison time just for owning, much less carrying my gun. How many people have gone to prison in Utah because we define marriage as one man and one women, or because we tax booze a little heavier than in Nevada?

    Within broad limits, majorities do rule in US politics. The majority of Utahns do not want this State to look like NY, or Nevada, or Cali, or Massachusetts. So it isn't going to.

    If you be happy despite not being the political majority, cool. If not, stop complaining and either convince the majority to accept your views, or find someplace where your views are the majority.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    If Utah moves any further to the right; the state is serious jeopardy off "falling off the map".

    The only way to get back up will be to climb back up the left side.

  • trapdinutah South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    The new district boundaries will do exactly what they are intended to do - keep those in power in power. Utahns were somehow able to differentiate between the evils of having one party in power in Washington while living in a one power state. The more I study politics in Utah, the more it appears to mimic politics in the Soviet Union in the middle of the last century, or in Germany in the 1930's. You vote for the party in power, or you are wasting your vote. The arrogance and conceit of those in the party in power are inconceivable. There is actually more evidence of evolution in Utah than there is of a democratic process. I am looking for a bill in an upcoming legislative session banning the creation or continued existence of any political party that does not begin with an "R" and end with "epublican".

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Outside Salt Lake county, the most democratic county in the state is Carbon County. Both counties currently dominate the second district. Conservative poster child, Jason Chaffetz (I am still mad he missed that field goal), lives in the current second district but ran in the third. Why? Because he knew he couldn't win in the Democratic leaning Second district against an incumbent like Matheson.

    Look for the legislature to redistrict so Carbon is split off and put with St. George and Ceadar City. and more of Utah county is put in Matheson's district.

    Look for Matheson to run for Senator as he sees a greater opportunity running state wide rather than in a gerrymandered district. He will campaign on being forced out of his district and Utah needing more diverse representation. Matheson, I think, would beat Hatch and most other Repubs in a state wide race. The only way he doesn't win is if Chaffetz runs as the republican candidate, even then it will be close.

    At the end of the day, all representative districts will be held by Republicans.

    Arguing about gerrymandering is a mute point and useless exercise. The above is what will happen.

  • Tired Of The Mess Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    Wow, I see so many libs whining, why? You have had two full years with a stacked D.C. to fix things, (change you can believe in) and all your party still can do is blame the GOP for being the party of no????? Yet you had the majorities in everything? Its a wake up call to everyone, especially the Utah libs who are in such denial, that real change that actually matters in the long run is near at hand, either embrace or file papers for Chinese or Cuban citizenship-the time is now due to the major importance

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    Good luck to all the would be candidates who will run to the right of right. Just wait until you have some diversity in the Congress, instead of the arrogant abuse of power you weild in the Utah legislature. And this coming from a Republican. In my view you have left the grand old party and become uncompromising radical ideologues, who are incapable of listening and learning because you already know it all. Can't wait to see what you get done in Washington. Good bye to all that power you wield so arrogantly.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2010 6:08 a.m.

    This does make Republicans happy. Is there one single Democrat alive and breathing that thinks redistricting in heavily populated Democratic areas like California or New Jersey wouldn't try just a tinsy-winsy bit of gerrymandering to favor their party?

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Dec. 22, 2010 12:05 a.m.

    Congratulations Utah for your sanctuary policies brought in all those illegals that helped you gain seats. If it were not for illegals we would have shrunk our population like everyone else. But, oh no not only did you allow them in, you allowed them to take our jobs and our money to support their anchor children and imbed themselves into our society and gave them money to drive Escalades.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:55 p.m.

    The word gerrymander (originally written Gerry-mander) was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette newspaper on March 26, 1812. The word was created in reaction to a redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under the then governor Elbridge Gerry (pronounced /ˈɡɛri/; 17441814). In 1812, Governor Gerry signed a bill that redistricted Massachusetts to benefit his Democratic-Republican Party. When mapped, one of the contorted districts in the Boston area was said to resemble the shape of a salamander. The exact author of the term gerrymander may never be definitively established.

    Gerrymandering is almost as old as our country and will be around probably till the end of this great nation. I find it interesting that the party out of power is always the one who complains.

    Stop complaining!!!!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    @B

    And Chaffetz and Bishop have accomplished exactly what - a lot of bluster and nothing else. Talk about a delegation that has been absolutely worthless.

    The rest of the country is in the year 2010, Bishop is stuck in 1861 and Chaffetz has waged war on public employees to save .3% of the deficit. Wow, I'm impressed.

  • B Logan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:11 p.m.

    Hey CHS 85

    Maybe you don't remember what happened last spring when conservatives took a look at the worst congress in history and took action to remove one of the problems. Bob Bennett, as well as the establishment, was shocked to have lost before he even got to the primary. Compare that to the voters of Mass. who kept the same senator for nearly 50 years.

    As far as the other members of Utah's congressional delegation: Hatch is also on the hot-seat with conservatives. Chaffetz is still new. Bishop has been there long enough and Matheson is going bye bye soon. My guess is that after the next election, only Chaffetz and Bishop will remain out of 5 you mentioned. That is change we can believe in.

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 7:34 p.m.

    dear jmt utah not gerrymandered? the liberal sorry i mean conserative wall street journal called utah one of the worst gerrymandered states in 2000.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    YAY!!!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    @Naked Truth

    In local politics (I realize this is a national seat), the conservatives have absolute domination. Their agenda of state guns, message bills, keeping education spending the lowest in the US, and control of every "moral" aspect of our lives is rammed down our throats every year.

    Their congressional leaders both resigned last year, yet they continue to have absolute domination in Utah. I guess a couple of bad apples don't ruin the whole bunch, right?

    If your minority party candidates can't get anything done, why do you keep voting for them? Isn't their job to get things done?

  • LaughingOutLoudAtYou WEST JORDAN, UTAH
    Dec. 21, 2010 3:38 p.m.

    Partisan finger pointing is EXACTLY what both parties want. Reading this message board confirms that you have all fallen for it. PT Barnum was right.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Dec. 21, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    Don't burst your phony bubble Utah, Florida will be the "LARGEST" swing State on the planet also. We are still #1. Why try harder?. We got more extra seats in Congress, that it'll make your bored heads spin off. Because there is a Santa, and we are more smarter here, ys think?.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    When Democrats do it, it's called gerrymandering. When Republicans do it, it's called reasonable, rational, representative, responsible government.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    CHS 85,

    Uneducated, hick conservatism, huh? Isn't you that illustrates your lack of education in trying to lump the 4 GOP Utah Congressmen as being part of the ineptitude of the current Congress? You clearly don't understand how a minority in the House or Senate can do very little to enact law, particulary with the advantage the Democrats currently have in both houses of Congress.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Dec. 21, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    With an approval rating in the teens, Congress right now is about as popular as Julian Assange at the State Department's Christmas Party or Sarah Palin at The Nation's editorial meeting, or President Obama at a Federalist Society convention. This Congress, which likely will come to a close this week, accomplished more, legislatively, than any other Congress since the 1960s (the Great Society) or the 1930s (the New Deal). Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., released his annual "Wastebook:, discussing 100 spending projects that squandered $11.5 billion of public money this year. The examples include $1.8 million spent on gathering and displaying historic Las Vegas casino signs and $165,000 given to the University of California at Santa Cruz to help its library digitize its collection of materials from the Grateful Dead rock band. During these difficult times when families are struggling to make ends meet, the federal government can best assist hard-working Americans by keeping their taxes low and not burdening them with higher debt. Congress is like Jay Leno saying "It has been raining hard here in Los Angeles. We have gotten so much water, illegal immigrants are literally coming in waves."

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    Those who claim Utah's 2nd congressional district (currently held by Rep Matheson (D)) is gerrymandered are forgetting two little facts.

    1-Matheson has continued to hold the seat quite handily.

    2-Neither Matheson nor the Democrat party in Utah nor anyone else even filed a single lawsuit attempting to challenge Utah's 2000 redistricting plan. Not a single suit in federal court even filed.

    So whatever the WSJ, or local commentators may want to opine on the subject, those who really know the difference between a legit district with legit reasons and partisan (or racial or other) gerrymandering were not willing to spend any money to even challenge this district's boundaries.

    And for anyone to claim Utah's 2nd is among the top 2 has never looked to Illinois or Cali. There are three districts there that put Utah's 2nd CD to shame.

    Democrats are a minority in Utah as the GOP once was. Political realities will reflect that until the Democrats appeal to a majority of voters. It would take gerrymandering and other unethical conduct for the minority party not to lose most battles.

    People need to deal with reality.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    @Anonymous Infinity

    "We have had all this liberalism jammed down our throats"

    Perhaps there are those of us in Utah who are tired of all the uneducated hick conservativsm jammed down our throats.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    You must take a look at the map of the Luis Gutierrez district in Illinois.
    It is the 4th district.
    It looks like a pair of pliers! The beauty of it is that it is 74.5% Hispanic. How weird is that? Cook County is 19.9% Hispanic. Chicago is 28.1%
    THAT'S gerrymandering, folks! Utah politicians are amateurs.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    re: Naked Truth | 12:58 p.m. Dec. 21, 2010

    **You're up in the night if you believe that the Wall Street Journal "has never been accused of being a liberal paper".**

    They now are owned by Rupert Murdoch and on the side of the angels so its irrelevant (note the sarcasm).

    "What are you going to say next? That Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are best friends?"

    Why no that would be BillO & KO. Again, sarcasm.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    And we didnt' have to get the 4th seat as a countermeasure for a DC seat! I kept telling people to just wait until after the 2010 census and we'll get that 4th seat without having DC get a sure-to-be democratic seat.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    XelaDave,

    You're up in the night if you believe that the Wall Street Journal "has never been accused of being a liberal paper".

    What are you going to say next? That Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are best friends?

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    Glad we are getting another seat in Congress. Please pull Lehi away from Matheson. I'd like to be represented by someone that shares my views. Really glad that my state reps are those that share my views and will redistrict this state so that a state that votes over 60% Republican can rid itself of Dems that pretend to be Conservatives. Please oh please.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    CHS 85

    We have the worst congresses in recent history because of people like Pelosi, Reid and their liberal minons, including the mainstream media who egg them on.

    We have had all this liberalism jammed down our throats especially after the electorate sent the message to stop it in this so-called lame duck session following the election. This is appalling.
    The republicans did not do this after the democrats took over the Senate and the House following the 2006 election. You liberals are all alike.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    The Wall St Journal which has never been accused of being a liberal paper declared Utah and specifically the 3rd Dist. the 2nd most gerrymandered distict in the country- Ill. has the number one (17th to be exact)- so to claim that Utah is not gerrymandered is simply to ignore the percetption that is clealry had of the state- and even if you do not like that look at the map and try and justify the lines on anything other than gerrymandering- good luck

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    No matter the party that will benefit it's about time this happened!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    I can't believe some of you are serious.

    After looking at Matheson's bio, he differs very little from "the norm" in Zion.

    He IMO will be the only reasonable person representing Utah in the next Congress.

    Its a travesty (sarcasm) that he represents Utah's "most liberal" district where only **about 70%** voted for W in 2004.

    I saw very little (ontheissues dot org) that states he is Nancy's lapdog. He won't support Pelosi as Minority leader which speaks volumes.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:07 p.m.

    It's about time we are better represented at the Federal level for this state.

    God help us if more people decide the CA style of politics is the way to go. WE NEED more conservatives in every politcal party. WE NEED conservatives to stand up and speak up. No longer should they be silenced by the radical left, that have paralyzed this nation and hidden the city on the hill.

    The United States is the greatest nation in the world. There is nothing wrong in being the greatest. I don't see other nations contributing to humanity, protecting the weak, defending free people, and creating democracy and liberating people so they can make their own decisions.

    What other nation in the history of the world has done this?

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    That's too bad. We do not need more conservative extremists in the house. We have plenty.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Eliot | 9:49 a.m. Dec. 21, 2010
    Santaquin, UT

    To your comment. It's nothing different from what happens in democrat controlled states. Any party with that advantage will use their advantage.

    Just look at what the democrats have done. They used their majority and power to force their agenda down everyones throat, whether they wanted it or not. Is that fair?

    So politics isn't fair. Move to a blue state if that is what you want. Or as can be seen over the past ten years, people are fleeing the blue states. Why would soo many people flee the democrat agenda? Probably because it's not helping them one bit.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    @Alex 9:37

    Oh, extremely happy.

    And, oh, we here in CA could use some massive amounts of conservative politics (note: I did not say Republican) - how else will we overcome $50 Billion in debt here??? The (D) way of governing has proven to be a complete total disaster with a (D).

  • Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    Wow...even more states where the residents can be counted on to vote AGAINST their own interests (and the interest of the American people as a whole)! The ultra-super-rich can stay in their walled battlements while cities, towns, counties and states don't have the resources to maintain the infrastructure. OK, the ultra-super-rich may have to endure bumpy rides in their limousines, but it's a small price to pay for aggrandizing to themselves even more than the Vanderbilts and Rockefellers ever dreamed possible.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    Utah gains one seat and Missouri loses a seat. No one sees the irony there?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    @Cats

    Didn't Utah have four Republicans and one Democrat in the "worst congress in history?" What does that say about Chaffetz, Bishop, Matheson, Hatch, and Bennett? Are they all lumped into the "worst congress in history?" Or do they get a pass because they (except Matheson) have a (R) after their names?

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    Yes, Cats, because we all know that the sainted Republicans are as pure as new fallen snow, and there is no corruption or monkey business in a one party state of either persuasion...

    cough, cough.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:23 a.m.

    Utah is NOT gerrymandered. This is nothing but politcal tripe. There are 4 Democrat strong holds in the State, Matheson gets three of them: Salt Lake City, Park City and Price. He doesn't get Tooloe because that would not even come close to working.

    If you want to see gerrymandering look in other states. The claims that Utah were gerrymandered were pushed by Jim Hansen because he lost his beloved fishing spot in St George back in 2001.

    Next subject please.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    Theoretically, each representative will be representing about 700,000 people. Do you feel that one person can represent the interests of 700,000? I don't, and I don't think the founders did either. The federal government is out of touch, and it's impossible for them to be in touch with these numbers. This country is too big and too diverse to be governed by one national government in its present scope and strength. Adherence to the doctrine of reserved powers would diffuse the contention and ensure our survival as one nation. Shifting the number of representatives from one state to another is not enough anymore to adequately represent the many diverse interests of such a large population. It's one size fits all, Wal-Mart government that represents nobody in its effort to represent everybody. If issues of social welfare and education were debated at the state and community levels, instead of the national level, we would all have a much better chance of having our interests represented. It's simple math.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    Yes!!!!!!

    This will give Utah and other conservative states more seats as well as more electoral votes. This is bad news for the Democrats and Obama.

    However, the real bad news for the Dems is that the people are now on to them. They have really blown it in what the Wall Street Journal has called the worst congress in history.

  • Spiff Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    A Gerrymandering we will go. A Gerrymandering we will go. Hi Ho the derry - o, a gerrymandering we will go.

    A balanced government instead of an unbalanced government is the only way. Thank you Mr. Matheson, your service was great for this state.

    Remember Utah Legislature, are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    Eliot- Mass gerrymanders with the best of them- not sure where you got that one other than expressing your NE bias- lets looks at Iowa (they do pick our next Pres. for us afterall- or is someone going to argue the Utah primary matters?)- so Iowa about 20 years ago passed a measure that required all districts to follow county lines or natural boundaries- since then they have had the most competative elections (margin of victory less than 5%) overall in the US and have some of the lowest cynicism scores in the country as well- just saying- but of course we here in Utah know better

  • Utah Girl Vernal, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    I am proud to have been one of the Census takers this past Spring. One of the bits of information I used to explain the purpose of the Census, besides the fact that it is mandated by law, is the importance of having an accurate count so that we can have that 4th seat in Congress that we should have had 10 years ago. I also have to agree somewhat with GWB above about finding a way to have the rural areas of the state better represented. I live in a rural area, and Matheson is our (not) representative. Rob Bishop has been more accessible and more helpful to us here than our own Representative.

    Anyway, I'm glad our hard work going door to door has paid off in the numbers game. When will an election for the new representative be held? I know new divisions have to be made first.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Eliot- (Mass gerrymanders like crazy- and ohhh that never hurt Mr. Romney) look at Iowa (we do rely on them to decide who our next Pres. will be afterall- or are you arguing the Utah primary matters?)- they adopted a redistricting model 20 years ago that follows county and natural boundaries and have had the most competative elctions (less than 5% victory margins) in the country since then and have some of the lowest political cynicism scores in the country as well- just saying my friend

  • Hotrod Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    Rod: We have the same name, and Eliot Matheson has probably been the worst Congressman just for the fact of his liberal voting record (93% to the dems) and that he flat out lies about it. Saying "independent" I guess he is Bernie Sanders Independent.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    This should make EVERYONE happy who values representative government. Only rank partisans who hate the idea of their political opponents having voice are upset at Utah or other conservative areas gaining the seats to which they are entitled.

    As far as redistricting I have two observations.

    1-Democrat controlled States gerrymander so as to make Utahns look like a bunch of pikers. The Illinois 4th and 17th and Cali 34th come to mind.

    2-There are only two rational, possible ways to draw congressional districts in a State like Utah.

    One is to have a single rural district that covers most of the State, and then 3 urban districts. Nevada has used this model for the last 10 years.

    The other is to split the urban areas and have every district include both urban and rural voices. Utah has done this.

    There are both partisan/gerrymander and very legitimate reasons to support both methods. On which a person chooses to focus probably depends a lot on whose ox is being gored.

    But if you don't like how the legislature draws congressional districts, elect different legislators.

  • utahenergyideas Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    2,770,765 is the apportionment number for Utah to decide we get 4 congressional districts and 2,763,885 is the number of people in the state for redistricting with 6,880 people overseas not counted for redistricting. 2,784,572 was the 2009 US Census estimate.

  • Attack of the Republiclones Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    Divide Salt Lake four ways now...YIPEE! Even more cross-eyed Tea Party people representing us. Back to the early 1900s we go!

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    I agree. No more gerrymandering! Utah should follow the example of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and... oh, wait... well maybe not.

  • GWB West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    The question is actually whether they can split enough of Matheson's Dem leaning areas of his district off and join them into a strong Republican district without allowing a chance for him to get enough independent voters to win.

    What they should really do is make 1 district in Utah that is composed of all the rural areas so that there is a rural congressperson who can deal with issues that affect rural Utah. That way the rural people wouldn't get short shrift from the urban/suburban congresspeople.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    Go gerrymandering- and we wonder why American voters are cynical- you want real government reform then have competative races for the house- how do you get this- competative districts-otherwise you get safe seats and career politicians- that is why average house retention over the past 5 congresses has been 93%- ohhhh we knocked it out of the park this time with only 81% retention- show me anything where you can have a guranteed 81% return- and we wonder why elected officials do not listen- gerrymander away but please do not turn around and decry career ploitcians later in safe seats that never have to worry about re-election- you get what you pay for

  • Econ101 Farmington, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    We would have gotten the 4th seat even with 300,000 fewer people. We would have needed over 400,000 more people to get a 5th seat.

  • familyofsix Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:55 a.m.

    It certainly does make me happy. Congrats Utah, we now have a more powerful voice on important national issues! Great news.

  • Rod Provo, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    You betcha.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    What this means is that our Republican legislature will be able to divide the few Democratic voters in the state between four districts instead of three. Thanks for your service Mr. Matheson--you had a very impressive run.

  • Alex Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    This ought to make Republicans happy.