@Muss and SolomonYes, it is true BYU played tougher teams in 80s
when dominating the WAC only to lose in the bowl game.BYU in FIFTEEN
games vs ranked teams has won TWO.Utah in FOUR games vs ranked teams has
won THREE.However, to say Utah hasn't played anyone is not true.
When you compare both teams bowls in the MWC you see a clear trend, Utah is
playing better teams (4 ranked teams) and winning. So if you're going to say
Utah has played anyone then you have to say nor has BYU in the MWC.
As was stated previously, BYU has played more ranked opponents in bowls, than
Utah has played bowls, yet Uteology cluelessly argues that Utah has played a
"tougher" bowl than BYU.It's not even close!BYU has played TEN bowl opponents ranked in the Top 15.Utah has
only played THREE bowl opponents ranked in the Top 15 (Washington State just
UteologyRanked Bowl OpponentsUtah (AP Coaches)Washington
State (9-3) #15 #17USC (8-5) -- #25Arizona (8-4) #20 #20Pittsburgh (8-4) #25 -- Alabama (12-2) #6 #6Boise State (11-1) #10
#10Only 6 of 16 (38%) Utah bowl opponents finished in the Final Top
25; 2 of them just barely, #25 in ONE poll each
UteologyHere's the record without your biased spin.Ranked Bowl OpponentsBYU (AP Coaches)Oklahoma State (9-3) #14
#14Navy (9-3) -- #17Indiana (8-4) #19 #16SMU (8-4) #20 #20Ohio State (9-3) #12 #12Ohio State (9-3) #14 #11UCLA (8-3-1) #14
#14Penn State (8-3-1) #15 #14Texas A&M (9-3-1) #15 #13Iowa
(10-1-1) #10 #10Kansas (8-4) #22 #23Ohio State (10-1-1) #11#10Kansas State (9-3) #17 #17Tulane (12-0) #7 #7Marshall (13-0)#10
#10Louisville (11-2) #17 #16California (8-4) #25 #2517
of 29 (58%) BYU bowl opponents finished in the Final Top 25; 16 in both polls
BYU's MWC Bowl games:2010.#89 (6-6) UTEP 24 BYU 52 (6-6) opponent
dropped to #??2009.#16 (8-4) Oregon State 20 BYU 47 (10-2) drop to
#302008.#50 (7-4) Arizona 31 BYU 21 (10-2) rose to #412007.#41
(6-6) UCLA 16 BYU 17 (10-2) drop to #452006.#32 (7-5) Oregon 8 BYU 38
(10-2) drop to #372005.#31 (7-4) California 35 BYU 28 (6-5) rose to
#292001.#23 (10-2) Louisville 28 BYU 10 (12-1) rose to #171999.#11
(12-0) Marshall 21 BYU 3 (8-3) rose to #10
@CGSorry not true. Here again is the proof Utah has played better
bowl games...In bowl games played in the MWC (8 overall for both
teams):1. Utah has played two top 10 teams, four top 25 overall.
Record 3-0 (Boise TBD) 2. BYU has played no top 10 teams but three
top 25. Record 1-23. Utah 8-0 vs BYU 4-44. #16 BYU lost
to a #50 team and in 2 of its 4 wins barley beat a #41 team and demolished a #89
team.2010.#10 (11-1) Boise 24 Utah 38 (10-2)2009.#35
(8-4) California 27 Utah 37 (9-3)opponent dropped to #462008.#4
(12-1) Alabama 17 Utah 31 (12-0)drop to #72007.#59 (8-4) Navy 32
Utah 35 (8-4)drop to #742006.#47 (8-4) Tulsa 13 Utah 25 (7-5)drop to
#652005.#24 (7-4) Georgia Tech 10 Utah 38 (6-5)drop to #412004.#19 (8-3) Pittsburgh 7 Utah 35 (11-0) drop to #252003.#31
(9-3) Southern Mississippi 0 Utah 17 (9-2) drop to #51
Before you annoint Heaps with the 2011 Heisman, take a look at another true
freshman performance in a bowl game against a better team than UTEP. 26-36 338
3-1.Wynn put this up against Cal last year. If Heaps can do this
against good teams, he might just well be as advertised. But UAB QB threw for
20-28 272 3-0 against this UTEP team. Do get too excited yet.
Can't wait for this game on Wednesday.BSU 42Utes 10
SoCalUteLosing by 7 at what was essentially a home game for UCLA is
hardly "getting wasted"Bottom line: BYU is still 10-1, #23
in both polls, with a #9 RPI.What have U got with your 7-3 record an
a home loss to Oral Roberts(4-6)?back to footballWhy are
you whining about BYU beating a mediocre team in a bowl? Utah fans
have been beating their chests for years about their bowl record, even though
the vast majority of Utah's bowl wins have come against unranked,
mediocre, bowl opponents.
I really like Kyle, I think he is a great coach. The sad fact is, you don't have
the skill players like you did a couple of years ago. You can beat your chests
and hire strippers all you want but that is the fact. Boise St should be in a
BCS Game and everyone knows it. They have many great skill players and you are
going to get it handed to you. As for the future, only time will tell. I a very
small way I would like you to win but if you are going to loose, the score can't
be high enough. LOL. You are cannon fodder.Jeff
What's all this Basketball stuff. This is a FOOTBALL game that the article is
about.Congrats Y'ners, you beat a very poor UTEP team that shouldn't have
even been in a post season bowl game.Oh, didn't you're cewgs get wasted by
UCLA on that very same day?Back to the important subject.Utes
24BSU 21Go UTES!!!
utahcountyuteOne or two or maybe even three years could be
considered a peak or, in Utah's case, a valley. But 5 or 6 years is definitely
more like a trend. Becoming a regular bottom half of the conference finisher,
and then bringing in a bunch of JC transfers to try to provide a one-year spike
in performance is no way to rebuild a program.Even with the new
talent, Utah isn't close to the level of SDSU, BYU, UNLV or New Mexico, which
means, even with the brief improvement, the Utes will still be fighting AFA and
CSU for 5th/6th/7th in the MWC. And this is supposed to give Utah
fans hope for Utah's move to the PAC 12 next season?Sorry, I don't
see it. Utah should have fired Boylen, and made a clean start to rebuilding the
program. Bandaiding a sinking program is just delaying the inevitable.Maybe Utah will have to go through a 1-25 "valley" before Hill gets
the message that Utah basketball is no longer competitive.
I think it's funny that Utah fans do the exact same thing in basketball that
they complain about BYU fans doing in football, living in the past.For Utah basketball, nothing since 2004 is relevant, but 1998 is like
yesterday, and even 1944 is relevant.For Utah football, nothing
before 2004 is relevant. 1996 is like so last century, and 1984 is ancient
history. Leather helmet era wins over BYU are okay, but thats it. Don't bother
even trying to talk about anything else prior to 2004.
SportoYour sample size is always a bit suspect. I wonder why? Oh
yeah, because you only include the years that better serve your argument. If you
are going to show a trend though, your sample size has to allow that.
Understandable though considering the years you would have to include for
byu.If you went back 20 years, you would see mts (like 1998) and
valleys in every elite program. Thankfully we have never hit a 1-25
"valley" like the cougs.Clearly, byu has had some HUGE
years recently. Will be interesting to see how they do this year. Will they
blame the 1st round exit on seeding, lack of depth, or lack of size and skill in
the interior? HmmmmmI wouldn't count the Utes out just yet either.
I find it funny when a BYU fan accuses Utah fans of living in the past. How
many references to 1984 do we read each day. Utah certainly has had
a rough stretch. BYU is a very good team this year, lead by a great player.
Utah is a team with better talent and chemistry than last year, but needing to
gel. I think that process is well under way considering they are already
sitting at 8 wins, more than half of last year's total. I submit that Utah has
reached it's nadir and both teams are in the same direction, BYU is just much
further ahead at this point.As an aside I think Clyburn is making a
great case for newcomer of the year in MWC.
utahcountyuteLiving in the past.Since 2006, when Dave
Rose became BYU's head coach, BYU is 137-39, Utah is 89-79.Digging
deeper BYU2010-11 10-1, 0-0 2009-10 30-5, 13-3
NCAA 2nd, MWC 2nd 2008-09 25-8, 12-4 NCAA 1st, MWC 1st2007-08 27-7,
14-2 NCAA 1st, MWC 1st2006-07 25-9, 13-3 NCAA 1st, MWC 1st2005-06
20-9, 12-4 NIT, MWC 2ndOverall 137-39, 64-16 Utah2010-11 10-1, 0-0 2009-10 14-17, 7-9 MWC 5th2008-09 25-8, 12-4
NCAA 1st, MWC 1st2007-08 18-15, 7-9 CBI, MWC 6th2006-07 11-19, 6-10
MWC 6th2005-06 14-15, 6-10 MWC 6th Overall 89-79, 38-42Utah has only played in one NCAA tournament in the last 5 years and Utah's
chances of making the big dance this year are practically nil.BYU
has played in four straight NCAA tournaments and already a near lock to be
playing in the Big Dance this year.Two programs obviously headed in
Glad to see Nostradamus and all you Utesies will be crying after getting
hammered this wed. And wondering if you'll ever get a bowl bid again in
the PA-theti-C-12.And Big J, yes BSU can be beaten just not by your
Ute team with Cain. 5 yard slants won't win this game. Oh but Shaky's mad, BSU
is "shak"ing in their cleats I am sure.
@utahcountyutebwaaahaaaahaaahaaaKeep dreaming LOL
Ducky"You won't beat any of the decent PAC teams and will not
beat them, or BYU for a recruit." (huh?)This is akin to saying
"my dad can beat up your dad!" as you are running home. Keep on
running, cause what you said will never happen either.The Utes take
recruits from PAC teams all the time as does byu on occasion. Not worried about
recruiting. Mark this down, the Utes will win their division in the
PAC next year and play in the PAC 12 champ game.BYU will finish 7-4
and play in the "whatever's left" bowl. Cheers.
It won't make a bit of difference how many pratices they got and Boise didn't.
Boise is going to kill them. Just prepare yourselves for the humiliation ute
"fans". Also prepare yourselves for years and years of it to come. You
might beat Washington State occasionally and just might steal a recruit or two
from Washington State. You won't beat any of the decent pac10 teams and will not
beat them, or BYU for a recruit.
SportsfanBlind Homer? WOW!Let me just clarify some
things for you.Since 2000... the Utes have been to the NCAA
tournament 6 times. They made it to the 2nd round 3 times including to the sweet
16 in 05. I'm pretty sure, looking at our storied history, the Utes will be just
fine. Since 2000... BYU has been to the big dance 7 times, all 1st
round exits until last year when they beat a Florida team that should not have
been there in the first place. I just hope something gets done this year because
things don't look very bright with Jimmer and Emery gone next year.In regards to football. 7-6 (the sixth time in the last 10 years they have had
a six or more loss season)OUCH!, no top 25 finish, 2 - 3 and SCOREBOARD!Go Utes, beat the smurfs!
I find it funny that being 10-2 is considered a bad year by some. Is BSU a great
team? Sure, they are senior heavy. Can they be beaten? You bet. Ill be in Vegas
cheering the Utes!These are great times for being a Utah fan. We are
the envy of both BYU and BSU. The Pac-12 will be awesome and a great new
@Sports Fan. If the Utes have been in steady decline since 1998 what does
that make BYU? One win in the Big Dance since who knows when?? A 7-6 football
record. Who is this guy? Before you comment on the Utes look in the mirror and
realize your Cougars are terrible.
utahcountyuteNice spin, but only a blind Utah homer would try to
argue that Utah basketball hasn't been in steady decline since 1998.Bogut and Neville gave Utah a couple of brief glimpses of hope, but that last
glimmer of home was extinguished in an embarrassing first-round blowout in
Utah's only NCAA appearance since 2004.The Utah big game mystique in
football was destroyed by TCU in 2009 and 2010, and Boise State will shatter the
last vestige of Utah chest beating when the Broncos end Utah's bowl winning
streak with an embarrassing beatdown on Wednesday night.Heaps and
company are just getting started.What have U got for next year?
Certainly BSU is a great team. I look for Kyle and Co. to have a great gameplan
in place and the team to execute it well. I truly do think this will be Utah's
best game of the year, and the game to be a very good one.Go Utes
swoop Interesting since the Utes have been to the sweet 16 in just
the last 6 years. When was the last time byu was there. Oh yeah, like 1981. LOL.
Nice try.After next year when Jimmer goes to Europe, byu basketball
will be back to normal too. Just wait.Do you really want to discuss
where byu is trending in football? byu vs Utep, that's all I have to say.Cheers.
I would love to see Utah pull it off but I really think they are going to get
blown away probably as bad or worse than the TCU pounding. The last few games
have shown the Utes struggling on both sides. I'm thinking 54-3
Glad we're playing in Vegas.Glad we've got a decent record.Glad
we're playing a real team.Glad we have a shot at staying in the top 25 (or
ever seeing it in 2010).Glad our coach can lead (and speak).Glad we are not the TDS!
re: CBPapa | 6:58 a.m. Dec. 19, 2010 **Longest streak of
"delusion" in the country continues with Chris B's predictions.**The capital of delusional and denial lie about 45 miles south of RES.
I'll cheer for any Utah school unless they play my alma mater.Get er
No, silent lurker, you've got it wrong. We only like BSU in this game because
of their opponent. We're on every Ute opponent's bandwagon. Go Broncos!
Conference Championships in the last 50 YearsUtah 2010 = 6Utah 2020
= 5In 1998, Utah basketball reached its highwater mark and has been
in steady decline ever since.In 2008, Utah football reached its
highwater mark in football and now is now following the same trend as its
basketball team.Just like their bowl winning streak, Utah's best
will always only be 2nd best.Three more days until that ends
also.BSU 42 Utah 17
Funny how many of the TDS faithful are jumping on BSU bandwagon, perhaps because
they don't have one of their own to ride?
Utes will compete, this BYU fan says "go Utes!" hope you can pull off
the victory and do the great state of Utah proud!
rip em, Broncos!
Saw this on facebook and found it perfect for Chris B.BYU:UTEP as
BSU:utahSo long bowl streak. So long conference championships. Oh
wait they didn't ever win many of those anyway.Hello LV bowl. This
year and many more to come. (IF they are bowl eligible in the future).BSU 45utah 10
Boise State 42Utah 10Longest streak of "delusion" in
the country continues with Chris B's predictions.
Good luck Utah, I know I talk alot of smack on the pages but I would really like
to see a Utah win.. It hurts my toung to say it and makes my eyes squirt blood,
but GO UTES...
Chris B's 12:28am prediction of the game is a classic...can't hardly wait to
hear the gloating after the big event. Nothing but roses for the Utes from here
Utah 34Boise 24Longest bowl streak in the country continues.
The future is Roses for the mighty U of U