This is why BYU will not advance through the NCAA tourney
As happy as I am that they lost I have to say what a good start to the season.
As a UCLA alum I have never been prouder. No seniors, players transferring,
etc. This shows that the UCLA program is on the way back. The Pac 10 is young
right now because so many players leave early for the NBA. Byu and Utah fans,
just check the rosters. By the way, the Pac 10 respects both BYU and Utah's
programs, but you guys still act like the redheaded stepchild. Oh, and don't
talk about UCLA just being athletes....they shot it well, rebounded, defended,
etc....deal with it
Overrated. Mark it down - utah finishes the season with as good of a record as
byu. Ucla is not even that good but again we see what happens when speed and
athleticism meets byu
Didn't UCLA lose to Montana in their last game? Hmmm maybe the Zoobs can at
least be competitive in their new leage (whatever it's called).
I just came down to turnovers. We didn't take care of the ball. There's no doom and gloom here, just a loss.UtahDerek and Cris B.
had to wait until our 11th game to come on and predict the end of BYU
basketball. Silly trolls.
One ncaa win in 20 years. See ya in 2030 tds. Lol.
UCLA played a great game...and BYU's inside weakness was exposed. They will
have a great season, but will struggle against teams with strong, athletic
inside men...which UCLA has. They had their chance when they got back to within
2, but hurried their next two possessions.Don't know how anybody
(except a die-hard UTE fan) could think they will end up with the same record as
Utah...unless their starting 5 decided to quit...but think the Utes have a
corner on that one.
Unfortunate loss, against a UCLA team which played a great game. Hopefully
they'll learn some from this game...like not passing inside to Anderson! :o(
He can play some defense and is good for 5 fouls...but offensively he just
doesn't have the hands...oh well...
BYU's loss was a result of poor preparation (with a bad decision to give the
team three days off), poor coaching (with no apparent consistent game plan), a
weak interior defense (partially related to Hartsock still suffering from his
concussion), a horrid game on the part of Fredette (who made numerous
turnovers), few assists (with only two in the entire first half), and weak
rebounding overall.BYU's weaknesses were predictably exposed by a
great coaching job and good play by the Bruins. The Cougars will need to do a
gut check and show whether they have the courage, the brains, and the talent to
beat tough teams. I hated watching this game, I saw the loss
coming, and I hope the Cougars avoid such disappointing play in the future.
Chris Collinsworth was a huge disappointment, shooting threes like a shooting
guard. Davies and Emery played well in the second half, but Fredette
Games like this, win or lose, will help prepare the team for the post season.Cris B, as much as I like the Utes, BYU is still much better. BYU should
finish second in the MWC and Utah 5th.
There's some pretty big talk on here from some of you yewts considering your 7-3
record which includes a stellar home loss to 4-6 Oral Roberts. Last I checked,
10-1 was still better than 7-3 and BYU's RPI of 5 going into today's game was
just a little better than Utah's 114. Don't get too excited over today's loss.
BYU will still win 30+ games and finish the year in the top 20 - both
accomplishments that Utah won't come anywhere close to.
Passing was awful and people need to learn how to play defense!
Hey Chris! Give it a rest.Your tired diatribe through football
season was a monotone drone of no account. "Oh how the Utes are sooo
great!" Sorry pal, but if they come within 30 of Boise it will be a great
moral victory for Utah. Anyone who watched Cane in that last game saw a
rendition of the back-up 9th grade QB thrown to the wolves. It's going to be a
nightmare.Oh, by the way, same in B-Ball.
BYUSpiker.Facts zoob BYU cannot beat long athletic teams away from
provo. Its a fact. And if this is supposed to be the self proclaimed best team
in BYU history than you should beat a mid pac 10 team with NO senors. There
freshman and sophs destroyed you today. I am sure you guys will win 25 to 30
games. But when the tourney comes you will be done in the second round if you
can get past the first just like last year.
Coach Rose said it in the days leading up to this game that UCLA's big men and
their inside game would put BYU to the test. They did. UCLA played a litte
better than usual today and BYU played a little less. Good game anyway. Playing
catch up is not nearly as fun as leading the whole way. Reading
some of the posts above, I see some respect from from UCLA fans. Thanks for the
good remarks. I see some from the usual critics that have a love/hate
relationship with all things Cougar. Where do these guys come from. What do
they do when they are not criticizing BYU? Do they have any life at all? Go Cougars.
Good thing you are moving to the WCC next year
RE: AK CougarWe don't criticize BYU we criticize their fans. When comments
are made about running the table and Jimmer being the number one overall pick in
the NBA draft it becomes too easy!
The mountain west has some good teams but it was UCLA's night. BYU can't beat
anyone good away from home.
After an afternoon and evening of Christmas shopping, I settled down in front of
the TV to watch my recording of the game. When it started, I noted that all
three referees were similar demographically. I stopped the recording and erased
it. When I checked the results on-line, it was exactly as I expected. I'm sure
glad that I didn't waste my time watching the game.
Typical BYU b-ball/football team: big hype and wins until quality competition
comes along. If BYU played in the PAC 10 or an East Coast conference, they would
have had 5 losses already this year and would NEVER get 25 wins a season. Want
proof? How many time has BYU made it past the 1st round of the NCAA's or won a
BCS bowl? We are a HORRIBLE team against anyone with a lick of strength or
coaching. Jimmer should be first team All-American for Div 2A. He's weak against
quality competition. Shame on BYU for getting their heads so big
after playing weak teams...AGAIN.Fredette is NOT Big Time - 2 years
from now, no one will even know who he is!!!
Watched the game replay. Athleticism!??? UCLA players took 3 to 5 steps on
almost every play. I know I counted. Were these nba refs. What a joke!
Hay Ute fans at least BYU will make it into the big dance. Of course that realy
doesn't mean anything to the BYU haters who only pretend to be Ute fans. Its so easy to get the haters going. Like taking candy from a baby.
Enjoy your empty lifes.
Three reasons why this is not a bad loss:1. Not having the play of
Noah Hartsock could have been the difference.2. Seven point loss playing
an away game is not indicative of a weak team.3. Cris Collingsworth
alittle rusty after sitting a few weeks could have been the difference.
And then there was 1... undefeated team in the MWC. SDSU 12-0.
Hey Lyle in Randolph...when you say the refs were "similar
demographically," what exactly does that mean? It sounds like code for
something that might not be politically correct. Suggesting that the game was
decided before it even began due to the selection of referees...does not speak
well of BYU fans. And you wonder why so many folks dislike the Cougs? Which
officials would you care to see on Tuesday night at Weber State? We wouldn't
want them to be partial to the Wildcats. That never happens in the Marriott
Center. One loss and the sky is falling in. Give us a break. Now I know why
Lavell hated doing that call in radio show after all those football games.
Cowboy up Cougs...and show some intelligence.
And the trend continues: Great against the small fish like UTEP and like a fish
out of water against quality programs like UCLA, even though UCLA is not that
strong this year.
I think we saw what it will be like for Jimmer in the NBA, tough to get his shot
off against quicker, taller athletic guards. Unfortunately, no coach in the NBA
is going to allow him to shoot those prayer hook and scoop shots he gets while
being the star at BYU. Too low percentage against better players in the NBA. But
to each their own.
@ASSo when was the last time that SDSU beat BYU???? Wasn't it like
three years ago???
To all you haters out there. Reggie Jackson said it best..."They don't boo
UCLA is not a great team, even at home. It looks like the cougars
will have a great record at home, but only play average on the road,Hope they can still make it to the big dance if this trend continues.
Congrats Cougars on a great start so far this year but I wish that the BYU
preseason could have more quality teams to play against. Playing a weak
schedule elevates fans expectations, doesn't prepare the team against real
athletes, and certainly doesn't help develop any sense of national respect. I'm
sure the coaches are working to make the team better and they will gain from
Hey TROLLS - are you in the wrong board? Go play in your own back yard somewhere
else. No hard feeling about their Home Cooking place like Flakers. Oh utah 86
and Bosie 84 BB at Huntsven Ctr luckly it bounced in your favor.
How lucky for BYU that 3 of their starters were from Provo High School. With
the football team also getting a high percentage of their players from Timpview,
the Provo area sure produces a lot of D-I players. Too bad the rest of the
nation can not compete with Provo in producing so many D-I players.
I was at the game behind the Cougars bench. Here is my take on the game:1) Hartsock and C. Collinsworth were not as good as UCLA's inside
players, but, had they both been healthy to play more minutes, that could have
made a big difference in keeping the game closer.2) Jimmer's fourth
foul should have been the fifth foul on their big guy. The difference is that it
caused Jimmer to leave the game and kept the other guy in the game. BYU had the
momentum in the comeback until that foul.3) Jimmer having a 'bad'
game was still better than everyone else on the court.4) Since the
game was honoring the late John Wooden, the arena showed clips of Wooden during
media timeouts. During the last timeout with under four minutes to play, the
video board showed the last clip. Then, the entire crowd including BYU fans
stood up and gave a long one minute rousing ovation for the legendary coach. It
was pretty cool.
Wow the haters have a lot of pent up rage because they had to wait 11 games for
a loss. I won't bother to respond to them except for eastcoastcoug. Jimmer had
some bad turnrovers yesterday but he has played well against good competition in
his career. See NCAA tournament last year, Arizona the last two years and plenty
of good games against SDSU, UNM, UNLV and Utah. By the way the Cougars have
beaten good teams away from home this year. You haven't been following them if
you don't think so.I was disappointed in the defensive effort
yesterday. I thought they played too much zone, but maybe that was because of
matchup issues in man to man. Not having Noah be able to contribute in the 2nd
half definitely hurt. We are not deep at the 4 and 5.Also the
horrible call on Jimmers 4th foul ruined the comeback. That 11-0 run gave us the
momentum and I thought the comeback was on, but that "charge" killed
it. Never should have been down that much.Lastly did anyone
experience issues with FSN? They went to the game late and cut away early.
Wow, I can't believe how so many of you are interpreting the outcome of one game
with such far-reaching conclusions. Its basketball. Sometimes teams lose
games.Last month, UCLA came to Allen Fieldhouse and were 0.7 seconds
away from sending the Jayhawks into overtime (on the Jayhawks home court!).
Maybe UCLA knows how to put themselves together from time to time...
A smaller team can win...see UCLA's early Ncaa championship years...but they
must shoot really well, be perfectly in tune and timing as team beats
individual, quick by anticipation beats athleticism, relentless drive beats the
teams that stop to pound their chests, show off etc. after a play...Cougars, you
gotta plow right through 'em, never quit, just play winning b-ball.
The Cougs are going to struggle with teams that have size and power in the
post...we don't have any defensive answers for that. SDSU will be a similar
test and we may not pass.
Size with quickness is what not only takes out BYU, but every Team in the MWC.
Everyone plays such cup cake schedules during the regular season no one gets
deep into the NCAA's. For BYU, they just don't have the size inside to go the
BYU's game last night with UCLA proved, once again, that there is no
"i" in team. The Dave Rose coached Cougars don't play like a team,
they don't execute the fundamentals. Rose has always believed that talent trumps
execution...and that's why they seldom win the big ones. BYU will rarely
advance past the first round of the NCAA or win the Mountain West tourney under
Dave Rose. Fredette is one of most inept point guards in BYU history; he is out
of position, should be playing the "2". And, until the Cougars get an
inside game...forget about it.
BYU is what it is - a very good basketball team and program. We all know that
they will struggle against big, athletic teams. But a 10-1 start, with
hopefully a lesson well learned at the hands of UCLA - I still believe the
season will be a rousing success with a potential trip to the sweet 16.As for Yewties mocking the one loss, I will take BYU's basketball AND football
programs over what you have any day. Two programs headed in totally different
If Ferdette ever learns what it means to play team ball BYU could be very good.
One loss and the BYU haters come out in droves, it is unbelievable. Very little
facts to back up their obnoxious comments.This loss will do this BYU team
more good than if they had won. It will give them specific areas they need to
work on to become better.This BYU team if more athletic than many are
giving them credit for, they don't have alot of size or bulk but quickness on
the defensive side is pretty good. One on one offensive talent isn't there but
skills and shooting is better than most teams.The Big East team S. Florida
that BYU beat was big and athletic, St Mary's is a good team and was a sweet 16
team if I remember right, most of BYU's wins have come away from the marriott
center. If Davies continues to improve and produce this team will be tough
and all the BYU haters/ ute trolls will be hiding their heads.
Geez, haters. BYU is good. I saw that loss coming after that run in the first
half - UCLA was too physical, and we were fouling way too much. We couldn't get
our game going. But better a loss after the 11th game than after the 31st. BYU
is still a good team. UCLA will probably put it together and do very well in the
Pac-10.Why would we have 5 losses if we were in the Pac-10 at this
point? That doesn't make sense. YOU might have 5 losses, Ute fans, but BYU is a
very good team, and yesterday was the first time we've trailed by more than 3
points all season. Hmmmm. Enjoy your weak basketball team. Can't wait to crush
you both time this season.UCLA almost knocked off the Jayhawks. They
don't lose at home (USC tried yesterday), ever. Like, 65 straight home games
without a loss or something insane like that. I'm not ashamed to lose to a team
that has the talent and skill that UCLA has. MWC is a good test - 6 good games
BYU is a good team, they don't win games on the road vs. good teams. It's a
tricky situation for them, if they schedule up, they can't rack up the rankings,
but they are less prepared for tournament time, if they schedule down, they rack
up wins, but are unprepared for the big teams. I don't know if they are Top 25,
they are close, but I still think they have to win games on the road to
qualify.I was looking forward to the Weber State game at the Dee
Events Center--but then Lillard broke his foot and is out for the year--it would
have been a great game and shown who is the best player in the
state--unfortunately that player will be on the sidelines. It will be a big
test now--but never count the Cats out in O-town! Go Wildcats!
Unfortunately Captain L, Davies is already willing to be a producer but the PG
doesn't allow it. The first half jimmer got his 17 points and BYU was being
dominated. The second half when Jimmer was much more quiet. Davies came alive
and owned the paint with a ferocious dunk and had UCLA on their heels. You have
a dominating inside presence but seldom use him the way he should be used. The reason people get disappointed is because this is the first game
against good competition and it looked like BYU was out of their element.
Soooo...Let me get this straight.BYU loses to UCLA, in
the Wooden Classic, that the bruins dedicated to Coach Wooden and his family,
and the wheels are off the season???Serious...
wj cougtwo different directions is right. See Utah vs Boise St right
on to the PAC 12 and then see byu vs Utep into independence like Navy and Army.
LOLNot to mention that when the Jimmer leaves for Europe next year,
byu basketball is in the crapper too.
I wonder what Cris B is predicting for the Maaco Bowl?EASTCOASTCOUG-- BYU had an RPI of 5 before the UCLA game.--That makes it a
quality schedule. An yes! Alot of calls went against the cougs that should'nt
have. Do your research before handing out grades.
Go PAC 12! Great win for our PAC 12 brother, UCLA!
All of the comments about BYU not having played anyone this year are completely
ridiculous! Any of you ever heard of something called RPI? An RPI of 5 going
into the UCLA game says that BYU has played and beat numerous quality opponents
this year and most of them on the road or at neutral sites - they haven't played
a game at the Marriott Center in a month. And for the Jimmer bashers, I
remember hearing a lot of the same kinds of comments about Danny Ainge 30 years
ago. Things seemed to work out ok for him. Jimmer is a special player that
comes along once in a generation and when he is finished at BYU, his jersey will
hang in the rafters next to Ainge's.
MountainmanI guess there should be at least 2 :)I have
said it before, Jimmer is the best thing to come out of the byu basketball since
1981. Will probably continue to say that for the next 30 years too.
@joe x-cougar:"Fredette is one of most inept point guards in BYU
history"Now, what planet did you say you are from? Please, give
me any stats that would back up such a ludicrous statement. Either you have
never watched Fredette or your just a simple hater. Which one is it? Even on an off night Fredette still showed he was the best basketball player
on the court.Although I think the team leans on Fredette a little
too much, I would say, overall, Rose is doing a pretty good job, and Davies is
really adding to the inside game.In this game only 5 assists for
BYU!?!? And 19 turnovers!?!? That is lack of intensity and lack of hustle and
too much reliance on Fredette.But the haters and fair weather fans
are all over this game like it is the end of the world for BYU BB. . . nonsense.
They will adjust and will be just fine. BYU had one of their worst performances
of the season and still kept the game close on a court where UCLA just doesn't
lose.No need to panic yet.
I love all the BYU haters coming out. I can't believe I'm about to say this but,
here it goes. "Usually in a game like this it is the so-called small school
that catches the big guy at the right time. They just happened to swtich roles
this time around with the fact that Hartsock's face is still sore and
Collinsworth just came back from injury. Good win for UCLA, but it's considered
a quality win for that program right now which is a great sign for the mtn. west
and BYU; and a poor sign for the Pac 10 come tourney time." I Can't wait to
see the tournament in Vegas this year because the Mtn West is 5 teams deep with
Utah vastly improving this year even if no one else agrees or wants to see it
for what they really are this year. Scary
Interesting comments from U fans about Ferdette's relevance in two years.
Weren't you the same ones that made comments about Austin Collie. Keep your
predictions coming...they seem to be working out pretty good so far.
Tough loss, too many turnovers and Hartsock wasnt his usual self. Its one loss
though and not the end of the world. BYU is still a great team and they will
rebound from this loss. In this day and age College basketball consists of alot
of pararity and so every team by the end of the year will likely have at least a
couple of losses. Its very tough to win them all, especially on the road.
Prediction:Chris B comments on every BYU article this season,
without mentioning the Yewts 2 losing seasons in the last 5 years.Mark it down.
Idablu:Yes they will adjust because they will start playing the
lesser competition again. Then lose to UNLV and SDSU in the conference, the
better competition. Last year NM had their number, this year it will be SDSU.
Same ole same ole.Are you talking about the UCLA team that never
loses at home except to Montana?
the cougs were a little off and were somewhat flat. where was kyle collinsworth?
some nights you're on, some you can't make a basket, or buy one... your still my
team cougs! even kansas lucked out this weekend. go byu!!
To all BYU and Jimmer haters... get real... BYU is a good team and has quality
wins already this season on the road. No one wins them all (except UCONN women
apparently), and this was not their night. Are they a top 10 team? No, but are
they a team that has a great shot of getting to the sweet 16 this year.
Absolutely. As far as the naysayers who say Fredette doesn't play team ball or
BYU doesn't, you are crazy! BYU is a great team, and plays well together.
Jimmer is constantly touted not just for his individual play, but for his team
play by NBA scouts and national sports analysts. However, your biased hatred of
all things BYU and especially of their star player expose you for the frauds you
are. Enjoy watching this loss again and again on your DVR, because truth is it
won't happen but maybe 5-6 times this year which will mean the Cougars will end
with another awesome record while most of the naysayers teams will have worse