To: Duckhunter | 4:55 p.m. Dec. 14, 2010 American Fork, UT: First, the BYU name
does not play well in San Francisco, so coming to a Bowl in California is not
such a great thing. In addition, this is not a top ranked bowl. poyman |
5:53 p.m. Dec. 14, 2010 Lincoln City, OR - has the right idea. This program is
not going in to right direction for the majority of the Cougar fans. While it is
true that the Cougars can go out and schedule whoever, they have yet to prove
anything on the field and the prospects don't look promising. In addition, BYU
does not play well in every location. Don't look for stadiums to be filled until
they start to win consistently.
re: TrollPolice | 4:42 p.m. Dec. 14, 2010 "Whether it's hatred,
obsession, dislike, or simply curiousity, Utah fans can pretend all they want
to, but the reality for the vast majority of Utah fans is, besides Utah, there
isn't now, and never will be, a more relevant team on the planet than
BYU!"What about indifference towards BYU? After
processing spin like that, I need to know where the dramamine is?
Wouldn't be ideal/ironic if the Fight Hunger Bowl were on the 1st Sunday of the
Nice. More Ute fans with nothing better to do than comment on BYU stories. Ute
news just isn't cutting it for you? Makes sense, there's nothing reported about
the Utes that anybody really cares about.I'm sure BYU will continue
to try and find better bowl situations. Until then, I'm excited to go visit
family in the Bay Area and see some football!
All this nonsense about bowl games being important other than for a reward to
the team for a nice season and good trip for fans is ridiculous. Bowl games are
bowl games only want to be programs place any significance in winning them.
Look at Alabama in 2008. They could have cared less if they won the Sugar Bowl.
It meant nothing because it wasn't even for an imaginary national TV title.
Nice job Mr. Holmoe, nice location for the fans for the program to celebrate
even if the team goes 6 and 6, avoiding another opportunity to visit and tour
wonderful downtown Albuquerque in December.
UU702: You are correct. BYU has been there, done that, several times, in
regards to the Las Vegas Bowl. So what is your point?
To Utah'95BYU will make any bowl they play in better, just as they
did the Holiday Bowl, because they fill the stands. If someone is interested in
BYU helping their cause, then BYU will try to do so. BYU is interested in
helping make the world a better place, not to see how much money and prestige
they can have. Yooters will say that we are prideful. We expect you to say
that, because you are fulfilling the scriptures that indicate that in the last
days, those who do not follow the Lord will profess good to be bad and bad to be
good. There aresome Ute fans are making those prophesys come true.
@scottThanks for your comment... it forced me to go and do a little
research... There are about 40 Bowls in total.... The non-BCS bowls pay anywhere
from about $4.25M (the Capital One Citrus) to as low as $350K... With most
hovering between $1M and $2M.The SF Kraft Fight Hungar Bowl pays
$850K while the MAACO Las Vegas Bowl pays $1M... The Poinsettia and NM Bowls
both pay $750K each...There have been basically three Independent
Teams (Notre Dame, Navy and Army).... all have contracts with about 4 different
bowls with revenue of about $750K to $2M...We (BYU) have agreements
with the Poinsettia in 2012 and the SF Fight Hungar Bowl in 2013....Some BCS Conferences have Bowl arrangements clear down to their 7th and 8th
place team, if Bowl Eligible... When those conferences cannot fill thei
commitment because they don't have enough Bowl Eligible teams... Or because they
have a couple of teams in the BCS Bowls, then openings occur.... If we are
commited we may not be available to take those more lucrative offerings against
better competition (usually)...I suppose it's not as big of deal as
I suggested, but still concerned.
RE: BigUteFanYou refer to BYU fans as Yners, but your blog is one
complete whine job. Methinks you are the Yner.To Ute Fan:What is your point. I thought Utah was going to the Las Vegas Bowl, the bowl
that was so terrible for Byu to play in last year, not the Humanitarian Bowl.
Wow, the jealousy of Ute fans are out in full force tonight! Yeah, these to bowl
tie-in are not the greatest, and yeah some of BYU's scheduled games over the
next 2 years are not that great. But the one thing that you just must be green
with envy (which I presume that so many of you little boys are on here talking
about how lucky your Uties are, about being in the PAC12...Yes, your are
correct; "LUCKY" is the correct term here. Lucky has been your mantra
in your 6 short years of notoriety. 2004 and to a lesser extent 2008, was really
the only 2 teams Utah has fielded, that are really anything to be excited about,
both BCS victories, yes. Remember these 2 years well, because this will
officially end on 12/22 when the Bronco's of BSU stomp the stuffins out of your
overrated Utes. Next year with a green offensive backfield, w/ a
underclassmen OL is going to disappoint your fanbase terribly, much like the
latter half of this year. Sorry boys, Ute football will fall back to its' normal
mediocrity, that you all enjoyed prior to 2004!
Of the 30 non-BCS bowls, about 20 have contractual obligations to conferences.
For BYU, this was likely as good as it gets for 2013, because there are still 9
bowls with lesser payouts than the Fight Hunger. It'll probably be a little
more than $1,000,000, which is not great, but also not bad. And not one penny
will be shared with another team. Just toss that in the till with the $5-8
million from ESPN.
@Duckhunter"Actually this is simply more evidence of BYU's clout and
desirability."Yes, and here's another example..."Officials from the Bowl Championship Series didn't even wait long enough
to see if BYU could finish the regular-season with an undefeated record to
decide the Cougars' BCS fate.Access denied.A 12-0
record, a conference championship, and the nation's highest-scoring offense were
not enough for BYU, which was officially eliminated from BCS consideration on
Monday." -- Jeff Call
@DuckhunterYes, Army and Navy also have signed a contract with the
same bowl. The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl has a contract to host the
Pac-10's sixth-place team during the 2010 through 2013 seasons. In
2011, the Pac-10 team's opponent will be Army; in 2012, it will be Navy; and in
2013 it will be BYU unless they are in the National Championship.Sorry to burst your bubble but the bowl is tied to the PAC-12, for its
Duckhunter your delusion cup runnith over with such comments as "actually
this is simply more evidence of BYU's clout and desirability." Really?
Since the WAC for all intents and purposes fell apart this bowl was desperate
for a tie to someone. All the conference (in which pretty much every Div I
desires to be) already have tie ins with other bowls. BTW Navy and Army have
tie ins with other bowls with the Poinsettia Bowl among other taking Navy if the
opportunity arises. Notre Dame could do it as well but they wouldn't settle for
such a bowl as the one in SF. Keep telling yourself it is all because your team
is the "bestest ever and nobody else could do what they can; this along
with that college football didnt exist before 1970 and other BYU sports myths.
poymanInstead of whining, why don't you give us a reasonable bowl
alternative to a BCS bowl?Were you expecting Tom to muscle the Big
Ten or PAC 12 out of the Rose Bowl?The goal for BYU hasn't change at
all. A BCS bowl or playoff spot are still the ultimate goals.
Is anyone paying attention to what Holmoe is doing to our football program...The San Francisco Bowl in 2013??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!This
guy is killing us... I was looking at the computer rankings for Division I
Recruiting and we don't even crack the top 50... Who's going to pick BYU over
another major College with the scheduling deals that Holmoe is doing??? Idaho?
Idaho State? New Mexico State? S. F. Bowl???.... We are even going to start
losing some of our LDS recruits at this rate if Holmoe continues to be incharge
of scheduling.... Kids with talent want to play where they can get some top tier
competition and top tier exposure... S.F. BOWL??? Good luck with all that... If
I were King Holmoe would have been gone about 6 months ago.
Actually this is simply more evidence of BYU's clout and desirability. Are there
any other single schools that have their own bowl tie in? Is there another
school in the entire nation that has a bowl guaranteed to them so long as they
are eligible?Nope.And this is just one more thing BYU is
capable of doing that utah is not capable of. Like going independent. utah could
never do it. They don't have a good enough name. They don't have a long enough
history of success and they do not have a fan base that can sell a game out in
almost any place in the country.utah could never have their own
personal bowl guaranty with any bowl. They have to have a conference tie in to
get one. No bowl would tie themselves to a new kid on the block with a dubious
"fan" base.Now is this the ultimate destination? No. Of
course all Cougar fans would prefer to play in a bigger bowl. But short of being
undefeated it probably won't happen and going to a bowl in a great location like
SF is a good thing. Sounds like fun.
utahcountyuteThe BYU paradox for Utah fans.Prove how
relevant BYU is by how much U talk about BYU.orProve
that BYU is completely irrelevant by completely ignoring the Cougars.Whether it's hatred, obsession, dislike, or simply curiousity, Utah fans can
pretend all they want to, but the reality for the vast majority of Utah fans
is,besides Utah,there isn't now, and never will be, a
more relevant team on the planetthan BYU!I'll bet you
couldn't find one Utah fan in a thousand who has been to a Colorado blog this
year to talk smack with Utah's new "rival".Actions speak
louder than words.
The comments here make no sense what so ever. BYU fans like to poke at U fans
saying that if the U were to be only 6 - 6 (imagine the horror of your team
only being 6 -6, oh wait, Y fans can ) that the U would go to a who-cares-bowl.
Last I checked the Y was average at best this year, and is going to the
who-cares-bowl this year. So what are all the Y fans bragging about. You got
a contract to play on ESPN3... Duke plays on ESPN3 and was on regular ESPN 4
times this year... big deal. And Duke is terrible.U fans.... this
is actually a decent deal for the Y. It is in an area with tons of members to
draw from, will give them a national game not competing against any other games,
and will be able to tell their recruits they will be able to play in a bowl game
in 2013. The chance that the Y will be playing in a game in 2013 is a lot
higher right now than the U will... as of right now.Get over it,
both of you.
AntiThere goes that hate word again. I don't hate byu, I just
dislike many of their fans. Right back at you though Anti. How come
there were atleast 60% U "haters" on the U article announcing they
were going to play Boise St in Las Vegas? Why do they care????It's a
two way street.
anti BCS:You wrote, "...a one-game bowl tie-in two years from
now that BYU may never play in."Wow, this Ute fan is far more
optimistic than you that BYU will be good enough by 2013 to qualify for this
Bowl. I'd bet money on it, given that so many of the Y's games will be at LES
against what's left of the WAC.So relax... go ahead and book your
motel right now. BYU is a lock for this bowl!(Wait... you weren't
thinking... no, of course not, that would be silly!)
Anyone remember when we got invited to play Cal in Vegas weeks before Cal did?
The only way Cal fans could get tickets was double price on Ebay from a Y
fan.Now we'll sell the place out in October! Every bowl a home game!
"even if we are average get to go to a decent bowl"Ha! An
average Utah team in the Pac12 lands them in the Backyard SadSack Bowl with
The Kraft Bowl of Mac & Cheese is BYU's goal? This is horrible. And
Gotta agree with Independence... If you're not in a BCS bowl, then the rest are
all about the same. Obviously some pay a little more, but this is a very good
start for BYU.
utahcountyutewords of wisdom from the poster child for obsessed BYU
hatingDidn't we hear waaaaaay back in June, as soon as it was
announced that Utah was joining the PAC 12, that Utah was leaving BYU in the
dust and the Cougars were no longer relevant?Teams that are
irrelevant are teams like New Mexico that you NEVER talk about until the week
you play them and couldn't care less which bowl, if any, they are playing in --
last year, this year, or any time in the future.And yet here we are
barely a week before Utah's bowl game, and Utah fans are obsessed with a
one-game bowl tie-in two years from now that BYU may never play in, than they
are with the bowl game the Utes will play in next Saturday.Why do U
It's a 1yr deal folks. Relax. Maybe Holmoe knows what he's doing.
"obsessed jealousy fueled posts haters"Don't really know
what this means but it is funny how the hate word gets thrown around so much
from down south. I'm pretty sure every byu fan that had an internet
connection was on the first article about the Utah vs Boise st matchup saying
they were going to get killed and such. Don't really have problem with it really
but if you can't take it, maybe you should get out of the game.Good
luck in NM
There's a lof of BYU hating going on right now. You guys really need to get a
life (or at least get some class).Many are laughing at the idea of
BYU going to a BCS bowl game. Why do you laugh? I bet most people in 2002
would have laughed if you told them the U of U would go to a BCS bowl game in
2004. It can be done, and Mendenhall is just as good of a coach as Whittingham,
so it's possible. In fact, BYU has been on the BCS doorstep before, only to
have the BCS slam it in their face. In 2006, BYU was two field goals away from
a BCS game.If you want to claim that BYU isn't as good as Utah
because BYU has only gotten "close" to a BCS bowl game, then BYU fans
can likewise claim that BYU is better than Utah because Utah has only gotten
"close" to a national championship. You can't pick and choose.
Otherwise, I'll make this statement: BYU did their best in 1984, won the
national championship. Utah has done thier best twice, but neither time was
Let the trolls have their fun. The tide will be turned in the not too distant
future. A 1 year deal in this bowl makes sense and they have the out if they
earn a BCS bid. The chances of that in 2012 and 2013 are much better for BYU
than any other team in the state.Thank you for your obsessed jealousy
fueled posts haters. Now go roll in the mud some more.
yferlifer"Ya, next year is going to be awesome"That would be great on a t-shirt! I suspect it will be a common theme with byu
losing their first game and then having to play in the Fight Hunger Bowl every
year. loloh yeah....2 out of 3 and scoreboard!
@ Cougars-wise older brothersHighly recommend the San
Farncisco...err, Diamond Walnut...err, Emerald...err, Kraft fight Hunger
Bowl...err, whatever it is called two years from now Bowl.Been
there,won that two name changes ago.Regards...Lil Bro
JuggernautFeel free to fool yourself into believing that
Washington(6-6) in the Holiday Bowl is something that will occur more than once
a decade.In most years, the Holiday Bowl will be the bowl
destination of the loser of the PAC 12 championship game, with the winner going
to the Rose Bowl.
Washington is 6 and 6 this year and they are going to the holiday bowl, the
holiday bowl for crying out loud, you tell me going to the pac 12 doesn't have
Nothing wrong with this at all. Does it really make a difference which bowl your
team goes to if it's not a BCS bowl? It's either a BCS bowl or any of the rest,
and this agreement provides for that. The only trouble now is that BYU needs to
solidify some way of making it into a BCS bowl. It would be hard to keep them
out if they go undefeated, which is pretty much the deal they had in the MWC, so
certainly nothing is lost here. Another thing to consider, is that if an 11-1
BYU is tied into a bowl, that bowl's prestige has just increased a bit, and can
gradually start offering bigger pay outs. Look at the Las Vegas Bowl this year.
It's one of the best match ups outside of the BCS. The pay out isn't what it
should be, but it's certainly a quality bowl game.
akk2602"even if we are average get to go to a decent
bowl"Thanks for checking in little brother, but your arrogance
is only exceeded by your ignorance. If Utah is average in the PAC 12, the Utes
won't even qualify for a bowl game.Utah fans obsessing about where
BYU MIGHT be playing in a bowl two years from now just prove that joining the
PAC 12 hasn't cured them of their little brother syndrome.
Lucrative in the sense of BYU deals, coverage, etc. BYU is making BcS money,
whilst utah earns zip!I would be very quiet considering it took
everything you had as a 10 win team to beat a barely bowl eligible team. Ya,
next year is going to be awesome.
I like that Holmoe is covering all the bases. If we go to a BCS game, then we
have an out. If not, we have a bowl. Again, I think it's funny how
some silly Ute fans are getting arrogant. I'm surprised these National
Championship contenders didn't learn their lesson earlier this year. Of course,
when I was a student they were really good in basketball and obnoxiously
arrogant about that....
Oh how the mighty have fallen. When I was growing up BYU owned the state of Utah
when it came to football... now not so. I am glad to be a UTE fan... get to see
Oregon. USC, UCLA, Stanford et al... Have a chance to go to the Rose Bowl...
even if we are average get to go to a decent bowl. Life is good... much rather
be in a conference that is relevant... play with the big boys.
January 2013 will be at the end of Jake Heaps' junior year.If you
polled most BYU fans, I think you'd find that their preferred destinations for
bowl games are California, Arizona, Nevada, and Texas.San Francisco,
San Diego, Las Vegas are all fun places for fans to visit.
Ute'95If all Ute fans were like you I could almost see myself
rooting for the Ute's in LV. As it is I will be yelling for the team that has
the ball at the time. I will really enjoy the game because I won't care who
wins..........Go BYU Go BoiseGo Utah
Isn't 2013 Jake Heaps senior year?Seems like a fitting bowl to cap
Jake's non-AQ, mid-major career.I shudder to think the bowl
arrangement that BYU may have had to settle for if ESPN had not flexed their
considerable muscle to secure for the Cougars a spot in the Fight Hunger Bowl.
It'll take awhile for BYU to establish themselves as an independent. With pretty
much every bowl eligible team going to a bowl, there's no question a
bowl-eligible BYU team would be invited to a bowl.Still, for
planning purposes, it's nice for fans to have some idea where/when BYU will be
playing if the Cougars aren't playing in a BCS bowl.Playing in San
Francisco in January 2013 would be fun.
dartstock1 and IDC,If a Ute fan had drawn a comparison of BYU to
Temple where football is concerned, all of Utah Valley would have gone high and
to the right. Certainly that can't be how you see it!Whether some
Utah fans like to admit it, BYU is a well known name when it comes to football.
That is why ESPN was willing to enter into their current business relationship
with the Cougars.Trust me, an 8-4 BYU team wouldn't spend the
holidays at home. They would be playing in a bowl game somewhere.At
first glance, it seems to me that BYU suddenly got timid just months after
making their bold move for independence. I look forward to hearing what Tom
Holmoe has to say about this decision.
I love that "unless BYU goes to a BCS Bowl." Been waiting for that
for a long time. Let's wait until atleast this summer before we start making
our "Quest for Perfection" statements because that is what it will
take to go to a BCS bowl.
Dream bowl - no. But as some have said, teams with winning records can get left
out of bowls so BYU is smart to get a tie-in. BYU doesn't share the money with
anyone so they may actually get some cash after expenses.Independence is going to be good for BYU. They are making good decisions and
their schedule for next year in football isn't bad and will improve from there.
I would anticipate their bowl tie-ins will improve as well.The best
part of independence is BYUTV. I am looking forward to seeing a lot of
basketball and football games. BYU will have excellent exposure and I get to
see even more of their games. Go Cougs!
Fight Hunger Bowl?Really?The Cougars return to the WAC
is now complete.That ESPN affiliation sure is paying off big time
isn't it?Funny... just too funny.
Just as a point of clarification. I don't think this is Jake's senior year. The
bowl is in January, so this will be a bowl for the 2012 season, but played in
2013. Can Cougar fans please stop saying things like, the Utes will end up
in this bowl too, haha. Then believing it is some slam against the Utes. It
makes BYU sound so pathetic. Yes, Utah may go to LV or SF for a bowl game while
in the PAC, but their ceiling is the Rose Bowl. While BYU is almost guaranteed
to play in this game, no matter how good they are. This kind of
bowl is the reality of independence. Almost every bowl has tie ins with
conferences, making it hard for BYU to find a home for now. It stinks for BYU
fans, but you have to take what you can get until you get your feet under you.
If the program goes where you want it to go, you may find a home with a decent
bowl. Hang in there. It is a big gamble, but it will be a fun ride.
This bowl is a good start... nearly all of the Bowl games already have contracts
through 2013 so getting a more "lucrative" bowl probably wasn't much
of an option at this point. That is why they only signed a one year deal. If a
better deal opens up the Cougars will be ready to sign. In the meantime there's
a good chance that the Cougs will play the Utes in January, I'm pretty content
BYU isn't going to ANY BCS Bowl until their team speed and O-line play improves.
Sorry I see neither thing happening.
There are teams with winning records who do not get invited to bowls. The Temple
Owls were 8-4 this season, but will not participate in a one of the 35 bowls.
BYU was wiser than the Owls in this situation.
I'm glad there's a clause in there should BYU go BCS busting! 2013 seems like a
pretty good year for that! Assuming Jake doesn't go NFL, that's his senior
Ah yes, I can see it now...an 11-1 BYU team takes on the 6-6 Utes in the Fight
Apathy Bowl in 2013.Can't wait!
This moves is inconsistent with the move to independence that BYU made earlier
this year.If BYU is confident enough in their program, prestige, and
fanbase to go independent, then tie yourself to this low-rated bowl? Why not
concentrate on finishing the season with 8 or more wins, and see what bowl
opportunities present themselves?Have faith, BYU. There are 30+
bowls each year. A bowl-deserving Cougar squad wouldn't have to stay home just
because they haven't signed a contract with a bowl.Good luck in
Tickets to the Humanitarian Bowl $16 to $46. A hotel room, gas, and food
in beautiful Boise, $200. Watching BYU never play in a BCS game.
Priceless! For everything else there is Master Card!
not going back to mwc and the mtn.
Congrats on landing the Finger licking good bowl in two years, if your eligible.
This is really an improvement and Yner fans must be thrilled. A dream come true,
time in Prop. 8 land. Wow, was it really worth it to destroy all other sports so
that football can have three games a year on Monday nights at 10:30 p.m. on
EPSNU and a trip in two years to the Finge licking good bowl? I say yes!
"If BYU plays in a BCS bowl...", haha, that is funny, that's a good
The Deuce"Let's get back to the MWC..."Going
back to the MWC means going back to the MTN.NO THANKS!In
case you haven't been paying attention, TCU will be long gone from the MWC by
2013, and BYU already has Boise State scheduled.Besides, that'll be
Heaps' senior year; BYU will be playing in a BCS bowl anyway or in the playoffs,
if major college football has finally come to its senses.
As Cougar fans, are we seriously excited about this? This program continues to
go in the opposite direction of what they touted as being more national
exposure. This year it is the New Mexico Bowl and then by 2013 this? What
direction is this program really going? Let's get back to the MWC and make a
stand. Beat TCU and BSU along with Nevada and then we have a program.
not exactly a high-profile game, but at least we have SOMETHING worked out--by
the way, the Cougs should be really, REALLY good that year.oh and
because the deal is usually PAC-12 #5/6 vs WAC, don't be surprised to see the
Utes there on a regular basis!
Hey live hard we'll be making the money next year, while utah will be making $0
yes $0 dollars from tv revenue next year. Nice deal yes you get to play in the
Pac 12, but they aren't even sharing money with you next year. Lucrative yes
Indy isn't perfect. But it sure is lucrative. Go Y