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Published: Sunday, Dec. 12 2010 12:54 a.m. MST

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ljeppson
Salt Lake City, UT

I admire this guy. He's willing to take a chance and for that reason he is effective. He's an academic it's true, but he's more than that - he's effective. Compare his effectiveness with that of his ivory tower contemporaries at the "U."

Tekakaromatagi
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia

Well, you know, I am an environmental radical and revolutionary too. Years ago I sent a letter to the Binghamton Times which is the main newspaper in Maurice Hinchey's district (he sponsored wilderness legislation to make a lot of southern Utah wilderness). SUWA liked him a lot.

In the letter I said that Utah's public lands belong to all Americans, (like Maurice Hinchey) had said. But then I asked the people in New York to ask Maurice Hinchey, "If 98% of the land in southern Utah is locked up for wilderness, then who does the poverty belong too?" The answer was, of course, it only belongs to the people of southern Utah.

Tekakaromatagi

isbjorn
Salt Lake City, UT

Money, I believe, continues to stand as a key element in this issue. DeChristopher, like many others concerned about environmental degradation and exploitation, tried other "more peaceful, passive routes" to change but ultimately found that most, if not all, doors are closed to those without industry clout and big $$$ when it comes to the decision making process.

DeChristopher knows that it is his generation that will be left to clean up the mess left behind by the insatiable consumption of this one and that it will be ill-equipt to afford it.

The world needs energy but destroying our ecology to get it is foolish. I have said 1,000 times that Utah's most valuable resource is its beauty. Left pristine, it will benefit Utahns for generations, both in revenue as well as in health. But destroyed for temporary profit, it will leave nothing for the future but a costly mess. Nobody is going to come to Utah to see its mine tailings and sludge ponds (tar sands).

We need to radically shift our pursuit for energy to less destructive methods or we are going to leave future generations with few options.

I completely support Tim on this issue.

md
Smithfield, UT

Come on moderator. The last comment I gave wasn't offensive. I think the man hasn't done anything worthwhile. He broke the law. He should pay.

Windwood
Holladay, UT

I like Tim DeChristopher. That said, DeChristopher has some characteristics of classic activism. He is socially unconventional and deeply focused on his concerns to the apparent end that he doesnt see the faults in his own conclusions. Activists, by definition are egocentric. They only associate with those who agree with them and they therefore become myopically more convinced and entrenched in their causes. Before long they see nothing else. No other opinion counts. At some point they can end up like Rocky Anderson; foaming at the mouth about subjects no one cares about or agrees with. It might serve DeChristophers cause if hed take up Mike Noels invitation and spend some time in Kanab at Noels ranch learning a different perspective. I believe theyd both gain something from each other. In any event, the trial is a travesty. Tim DeChristopher should be treated as a parking ticket violator nothing more. Hes certainly not a criminal nor should he be treated like one. At the end of the article I find myself asking, what does this guy do for a living?

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

Global warming or climate change is simply a wealth redistribution scam.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Since China produces half the CO2 from their coal plants ( an new one weekly) it seems this gentleman should head for that country. I think our goal is solar energy and that means we need electrical storage units. Let's put our money into developing them. I also like the idea of converting our trash into natural gas as is now being done in Sweden. This is a practical way to produce alternative energy. Saves money and gets rid of our garbage. One plant in each valley sounds good to me. Let's protest for that.

Coyote
Westminster, CO

Thank you Tim for your effort and example to protect our lands.

Plus anything that riles up Kanab's Mike Noel is an extra bonus. Great work!

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"...if convicted, he faces up to 10 years in prison and a potential $500,000 fine."

Count me among those that think this guy is a typical arrogant zealot who believes that, unlike everyone else, he is entitled to special treatment and consideration because of his "knowledge" regarding "global warming".

I hope he's required to spend every minute of the 10 years in prison and pay every dime of the $500K.

mroach
West Jordan, UT

So if I don't like the new healthcare law, I can go in under false pretence, purposefully foul up the system so that people that do want it can't take advantage of it, and I'll be hailed as a hero? Awesome! You've converted me Professor Goldberg and Mr. DeCristopher!

Glad to be Retired
Bountiful, UT

Like so many before him, he is a problem identifier and not a problem solver. If you are going to bring forth problems, how about having "workable/acceptable" solutions also?

5
Orem, UT

Many activists sincerely believe they are helping to clean up the environment. They are unaware that they are minions of radical environmentalists using the cause to redistribute global wealth. They oppose all carbon fuels, which in the short term is simply not feasable. If they would push the conversion of autos and trucks to natural gas, of which recent discoveries have boosted US reserves to more than 100 years, that would prove to the world they really want to clean up the environment. The technology already exists to do it. And in doing so the US could eliminate imported oil, even begin exporting natural gas. Imagine the benefit to our balance of trade. I challenge the environmentalists to be positive for a change, and actively support a viable short term solution to pollution. Such a radical change from a history of total negative activism might prove that a clean environment is really their goal. Not wealth redistribution which is simply another definition of socialism/communism.

B-727
Salt Lake City, UT

Come on, Windwood. This matter should be treated like a parking ticket? You can't be serious.

Mr. DeChristopher deliberately defrauded the lawful participants in that auction to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. What about their rights?

Judge Benson has already ruled that Mr. Dechristopher's self-stated motivation ("saving the planet") is no defense. When someone chooses civil disobedience and breaks the law (ie, the will of the people expressed through their freely elected legislature), he or she had better be prepared to accept the consequences.

Mr. DeChristopher's argument that change cannot be brought about through lawful processes is appalling. That's reason enough to throw the book at him. The man is badly unbalanced and needs to spend some time cooling his head off in prison.

Mr. DeChristopher and his pals are misguided zealots, not heroes. My advice to all of them: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. If you choose the hard path of civil disobedience, be prepared to "man up" and take your medicine.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Please Des News, surely there is someone who actually deserves 3 full pages of your paper, someone who at this time of the year is working to help people in a way that doesn't involve making paper mache figures and spouting nonsense.

Timj
South Jordan, UT

DN,
Thank you for two excellent articles today about people who had the courage to stand up to authority for the greater good (both this article and the article about Mick Fennerty). The world needs more people like that.

Navajo Hogan
Salt Lake City, UT

What an incredibly uninspiring waste of time.

With the efficacy of a lame gimmick like this non-existent, they should put themselves on trial for carbon footprint they created having this event.

Gladys1948
Salt Lake City, UT

I am proud to have Tim as a member of our community.

Like he inferred in the article, the oil and coal companies are taking us all for a ride -- while they rake in the profits. At the very least, they should be paying for the real cost of the damage they are doing to our shared landscape. The auction did not reflect that price. $2.85 for an acre?!

Thank you Tim, and thank you DN for such an in-depth article about the nuances of the whole situation.

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Pretty simple......you bid MILLIONS with no intent or ability to pay?

......... YOU GO TO JAIL!

Today!

Christopher Stout
Salt Lake City, UT

I have spoken to Tim and you can be rest assured that he is prepared to do the time. The problem it seems, is that the federal government is in no hurry to see him do that time.

Considering that the auction was later found to be invalid for other reasons, it seems that nobody has been defrauded out of anything. This begs the question, how can one defraud someone who had no material interest?

Tim, as promised, if you do end up in prison, I will be a regular visitor until you have served your time and an ardent fund raiser if you are fined.

AlanSutton
Salt Lake City, UT

DeChristopher chose to break the law rather than work for change within the system. Remember? Secretary Salazar cancelled the sale a few months after DeChristopher fouled up the auction, and he did so without DeChristopher's help. Remember? There was an election, and a new administration took over the Department of the Interior. The lesson? We don't have to break the law to bring about change.

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