I admire this guy. He's willing to take a chance and for that reason he is
effective. He's an academic it's true, but he's more than that - he's
effective. Compare his effectiveness with that of his ivory tower
contemporaries at the "U."
Well, you know, I am an environmental radical and revolutionary too. Years ago
I sent a letter to the Binghamton Times which is the main newspaper in Maurice
Hinchey's district (he sponsored wilderness legislation to make a lot of
southern Utah wilderness). SUWA liked him a lot.In the letter I
said that Utah's public lands belong to all Americans, (like Maurice Hinchey)
had said. But then I asked the people in New York to ask Maurice Hinchey,
"If 98% of the land in southern Utah is locked up for wilderness, then who
does the poverty belong too?" The answer was, of course, it only belongs
to the people of southern Utah.Tekakaromatagi
Money, I believe, continues to stand as a key element in this issue.
DeChristopher, like many others concerned about environmental degradation and
exploitation, tried other "more peaceful, passive routes" to change
but ultimately found that most, if not all, doors are closed to those without
industry clout and big $$$ when it comes to the decision making process.DeChristopher knows that it is his generation that will be left to clean
up the mess left behind by the insatiable consumption of this one and that it
will be ill-equipt to afford it. The world needs energy but
destroying our ecology to get it is foolish. I have said 1,000 times that
Utah's most valuable resource is its beauty. Left pristine, it will benefit
Utahns for generations, both in revenue as well as in health. But destroyed for
temporary profit, it will leave nothing for the future but a costly mess.
Nobody is going to come to Utah to see its mine tailings and sludge ponds (tar
sands). We need to radically shift our pursuit for energy to less
destructive methods or we are going to leave future generations with few
options.I completely support Tim on this issue.
Come on moderator. The last comment I gave wasn't offensive. I think the man
hasn't done anything worthwhile. He broke the law. He should pay.
I like Tim DeChristopher. That said, DeChristopher has some characteristics of
classic activism. He is socially unconventional and deeply focused on his
concerns to the apparent end that he doesnt see the faults in his own
conclusions. Activists, by definition are egocentric. They only associate with
those who agree with them and they therefore become myopically more convinced
and entrenched in their causes. Before long they see nothing else. No other
opinion counts. At some point they can end up like Rocky Anderson; foaming at
the mouth about subjects no one cares about or agrees with. It might serve
DeChristophers cause if hed take up Mike Noels invitation and spend some time in
Kanab at Noels ranch learning a different perspective. I believe theyd both gain
something from each other. In any event, the trial is a travesty. Tim
DeChristopher should be treated as a parking ticket violator nothing more. Hes
certainly not a criminal nor should he be treated like one. At the end of the
article I find myself asking, what does this guy do for a living?
Global warming or climate change is simply a wealth redistribution scam.
Since China produces half the CO2 from their coal plants ( an new one weekly) it
seems this gentleman should head for that country. I think our goal is solar
energy and that means we need electrical storage units. Let's put our money into
developing them. I also like the idea of converting our trash into natural gas
as is now being done in Sweden. This is a practical way to produce alternative
energy. Saves money and gets rid of our garbage. One plant in each valley sounds
good to me. Let's protest for that.
Thank you Tim for your effort and example to protect our lands. Plus anything that riles up Kanab's Mike Noel is an extra bonus. Great work!
"...if convicted, he faces up to 10 years in prison and a potential
$500,000 fine."Count me among those that think this guy is a
typical arrogant zealot who believes that, unlike everyone else, he is entitled
to special treatment and consideration because of his "knowledge"
regarding "global warming".I hope he's required to spend
every minute of the 10 years in prison and pay every dime of the $500K.
So if I don't like the new healthcare law, I can go in under false pretence,
purposefully foul up the system so that people that do want it can't take
advantage of it, and I'll be hailed as a hero? Awesome! You've converted me
Professor Goldberg and Mr. DeCristopher!
Like so many before him, he is a problem identifier and not a problem solver.
If you are going to bring forth problems, how about having
"workable/acceptable" solutions also?
Many activists sincerely believe they are helping to clean up the environment.
They are unaware that they are minions of radical environmentalists using the
cause to redistribute global wealth. They oppose all carbon fuels, which in the
short term is simply not feasable. If they would push the conversion of autos
and trucks to natural gas, of which recent discoveries have boosted US reserves
to more than 100 years, that would prove to the world they really want to clean
up the environment. The technology already exists to do it. And in doing so the
US could eliminate imported oil, even begin exporting natural gas. Imagine the
benefit to our balance of trade. I challenge the environmentalists to be
positive for a change, and actively support a viable short term solution to
pollution. Such a radical change from a history of total negative activism might
prove that a clean environment is really their goal. Not wealth redistribution
which is simply another definition of socialism/communism.
Come on, Windwood. This matter should be treated like a parking ticket? You
can't be serious. Mr. DeChristopher deliberately defrauded the
lawful participants in that auction to the tune of hundreds of thousands of
dollars. What about their rights?Judge Benson has already ruled that
Mr. Dechristopher's self-stated motivation ("saving the planet") is no
defense. When someone chooses civil disobedience and breaks the law (ie, the
will of the people expressed through their freely elected legislature), he or
she had better be prepared to accept the consequences.Mr.
DeChristopher's argument that change cannot be brought about through lawful
processes is appalling. That's reason enough to throw the book at him. The man
is badly unbalanced and needs to spend some time cooling his head off in
prison.Mr. DeChristopher and his pals are misguided zealots, not
heroes. My advice to all of them: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
If you choose the hard path of civil disobedience, be prepared to "man
up" and take your medicine.
Please Des News, surely there is someone who actually deserves 3 full pages of
your paper, someone who at this time of the year is working to help people in a
way that doesn't involve making paper mache figures and spouting nonsense.
DN,Thank you for two excellent articles today about people who had the
courage to stand up to authority for the greater good (both this article and the
article about Mick Fennerty). The world needs more people like that.
What an incredibly uninspiring waste of time. With the efficacy of
a lame gimmick like this non-existent, they should put themselves on trial for
carbon footprint they created having this event.
I am proud to have Tim as a member of our community. Like he
inferred in the article, the oil and coal companies are taking us all for a ride
-- while they rake in the profits. At the very least, they should be paying for
the real cost of the damage they are doing to our shared landscape. The auction
did not reflect that price. $2.85 for an acre?! Thank you Tim, and
thank you DN for such an in-depth article about the nuances of the whole
Pretty simple......you bid MILLIONS with no intent or ability to pay? ......... YOU GO TO JAIL!Today!
I have spoken to Tim and you can be rest assured that he is prepared to do the
time. The problem it seems, is that the federal government is in no hurry to see
him do that time.Considering that the auction was later found to be
invalid for other reasons, it seems that nobody has been defrauded out of
anything. This begs the question, how can one defraud someone who had no
material interest?Tim, as promised, if you do end up in prison, I
will be a regular visitor until you have served your time and an ardent fund
raiser if you are fined.
DeChristopher chose to break the law rather than work for change within the
system. Remember? Secretary Salazar cancelled the sale a few months after
DeChristopher fouled up the auction, and he did so without DeChristopher's help.
Remember? There was an election, and a new administration took over the
Department of the Interior. The lesson? We don't have to break the law to bring
Working within the system if fine is it yields results, but too often, trying to
play by the rules just gets you bogged down in red tape. Non-violent civil
disobedience has always been the more effective method for getting results, and
for getting noticed. I tried dozens of times to get the attention of
former Congressman James Hansen (a true anti- enviro, and one of Utah's most
worthless politicians), and couldn't even get him to return my letters or phone
calls. So much for playing by the rules.Tim DeChristopher is a hero
because he has the guts to do what others only talk about. He is willing to risk
it all for an ethical conviction that extends far beyond mere rhetoric or the
shallow hyperbole that others spew in an vein attempt to sound sincere. I will
stand by Tim in any protest at any time, and hope to see him exonerated from his
alleged "crime." Tim is a modern-day Henry David Thoreau.
Tim is a typical Communist. Kids are kids, and he is not an exception. Just
check out his tweets on Twitter, like applauding SLCPD Chief Burbank defending
illegal immigration at Immigration Summit this summer. Arrogance knows no
boundary, and Tim will have to feel the hand of justice fall on him, while he
cries "Revolution!" with raised fist.
Throw tea into the harbor.....go to jail.
doesn't this story belong in a SUWA fund raising letter. SUWA wants all land
wilderness and if it has roads it doesn't qualify as wilderness. So the bad
guys are the ones using the roads unless they drive a Subaru. We shouldn't
commit SUWAside with OUR public lands. So when is the 4 page story by Utah
Shared Alliance or Blue Ribbon Coalition.
I can't wait until this clown is locked away for a looooong time. $10 bucks says
a few years in jail and this "principled" LOL activist changes his
tune.You know most of us were fools when we were young but most of
us weren't criminals. He is a criminal. Would these same people defending him
still be defending him if he had simply stolen the money of the companies so
they couldn't pay for their purchased leases? Of course that would have stopped
it as well. The end justifies the means afterall.My guess is the
support is selective for most of you. You simply don't want gas and oil
exploration. Would you support me if I took a principled stand and refused to
pay any taxes that would go to any socialist program I didn't support? Of course
not because you're hypocrites.
Put me down as being on the side of Mike Noal, not DeChristopher. I hope Tim and
his buddies are not driving to an from their destinations or using fossil fuel
or any of its derivatives for heat and light this winter.
Let's see. George W. Bush defrauded the American people by illegally pushing
through the auction of these oil and gas leases (when he was already a lame duck
president and knew his successor would never allow it). He also led us into an
illegal and imprudent war by making false claims to the American people. He
robbed us of our constitutional rights, illegally spied on American citizens,
and condoned illegal torture of prisoners, among other crimes.So, if
Tim DeChristopher belongs in prison, what about Bush? If those of you calling
for DeChristopher's imprisonment don't believe Bush belongs there too, then you
are not only being hypocritical, but you are proving DeChristopher's point that
sometimes civil disobedience is the only way to point out the wrongs in society.
Re: Duckhunter. You're right, I don't want gas and oil exploration on lands that
are worth more for their aesthetic value than for their exploitable resources,
knowing that they cannot and will not be restored to their original condition
after the raping and pillaging are done. Tim didn't
"steal" anything from the oil companies. They already have all the
money -- yours, mine, and everyone else's. Still, it's nice to know that you are
sympathetic toward them. It sorta warms my heart.
I would like to know what was wrong with my last comment?
@demo daveI'm actully sympathetic towards mankind. I really
appreciate all of the great things that we have because of oil. I love cars,
planes, motrocycles, lawn mowers, snow blowers, plastic products, heaters,
generators, etc.I also really appreciate heating my home in the
winter with natural gas.I appreciate how out life expectancies have
increased during the last century, how I can travel quickly to all parts of the
country and globe. I love that I can drive down to the store and grab a gallon
of milk in meer minutes.I love the better life, and fantastic
lifestyle, that gas and oil give us all and recognize to keep this lifestyle
that we need to drill and mine and extract.Frankly I think our lives
are great and they are great in large part because of oil and gas.You can go and live in a hut if you want, I'll keep driving my V8 4wd and
heating my house.My guess is you really haven't thought it out at
all, you just blindly react to chicken little assertions of global catastrophe.
Don't send this accidental activist to prison. That will give him a lifetime of
grants & donations from willing accomplices - the proverbial free lunch. I
support authentic environmentalists. My mother's maiden name is Muir. But I
don't support this monkey wrencher. Or as Robert Redford noted at the Sundance
Film Festival, "He did it all as a joke," referring to DeChristopher's
juvenile prank. Give him some serious probation. Let him ride his bike to the
next New York Film Festival. Let his camera crew document THAT trip. Let him do
some actual environmental work - cleaning streams, working with Larry Gibson in
West Virginia, anything real... Not the poseur antics or puppet shows of a media
They are having bi-monthly meetings to strategize on what all of his followers
are going to do to throw another wrench into the system when his trial, (if his
trial) begins. They staged the "mock trial" across from the
Federal Courthouse that Monday because they had expected the national media to
be there covering the Elizabeth Smart trial.He is usually wearing a
microphone to record everything for a documentary someone is making about him.
That is the reasons he is hoping to go to trial. If the case is thrown out due
to legal maneuvering or due to the fact that the auction, in and of itself was
illegal, he becomes a non issue. He has to go to trial and jail for
credibility.In closing, I suggest someone call Robert Redford people might
be quite surprised at Redford's response.