Doug, you hit in right on the head. If you from the outside looking in, like
TCU, BSU, UofU, Hawaii, then the system is broken. If you are on the inside
looking out, then the system works wonders, meaning the big boys get to keep all
the money and pretend they are the best team in the nation by telling each other
they are. Time for the rest of the college football nation to begin
their own playoff game and crown their own. Refuse to participate in the silly
.com, chick filet or Meineke bowls and make your own playoff. Which college
President will step up and take the lead?
Doug,VA Tech is 11-2, not 11-3.Back off the Big East.
They are 3-2 in BCS bowls over the last five years. That's better than the Big
10, Big 12, and the ACC.Trust me, I know the BCS is flawed. Any
number of teams, Boise State included, deserve better opponents than they will
be playing in the next few weeks. But the BCS has improved the college football
landscape from where it was decades ago.And lastly, get a haircut!
End the BCS farce and let's go to a playoff system!I just hate all
the useless and inane bowl games. A playoff would be so much more exciting to
watch.Hopefully, I'll get to watch at least one College Football
Championship playoff before I die in 25 years.
Amen Doug! Now, can we pass a law that requires Bill Hancock and his colleagues
to spend their workday reading articles like this one?
Totally agree. Connecticut in BCS Bowl, what a joke. BYU playing UTEP which
lost 5 of it's last six. I think AK has an excellent point. Scrap the bowl
system and form our playoff system. Love the idea.
Doug,Can you tell me what the percentage of these "power
conferences" have played a NAQ away from their home for their non
conference schedule. - How do we know they are "power". We just have
to take their and ESPN's word for it. I think I heard the gators haven't played
a NAQ away for 20 years or something like that
In the last 5 years, here are the win-loss numbers and winning percentages for
the BCS bowls or the National Championship game participants:SEC:
7-2, 0.778WAC: 2-1, 0.667Pac 10: 3-2, 0.600Big East: 3-2,
0.600MWC: 1-1, 0.500Big 10: 4-6, 0.400Big 12: 2-4, 0.333ACC: 1-4, 0.200ND: 0-1, 0.000Interesting that no
conference has received more BCS money than the Big Ten, but they have a losing
record and five conferences have performed better than them in the BCS games.
1) The real importance of the Colley's rankings mess-up isn't that Appalachian
State's game can affect LSU's ranking; it's that nobody checks the computer
rankings to make sure there are no data-entry errors. Colley's is the only one
that makes it public, which is how the error was discovered. How do we know
that another one of the computer rankings didn't accidentally omit some other
FCS game which would have put TCU into the title game? If they're going to base
the championship on something other than wins on the field, at least make it
transparent.2) I agree a playoff is the ideal. But I don't
understand people who complain that there are too many bowl games or that 6-6
teams get to go. More football is a good thing. Sure, most bowls are
meaningless, but they mean something to the fans of the teams involved, and even
to others, there's another game on TV to watch while you wrap presents. More
football is good!
The column is good but it is flawed in one big way. You are assuming that the
BCS has the desire to do the right thing and make it about football...when in
fact it could care less about doing the right thing and it is always about money
and power not about the players, fans and certainly never about the game.
Best comment on here so far comes from Utah'95 at 1:32 a.m. Dec. 8, 2010"And lastly, get a haircut!"I've been laughing out
loud for 10 minutes at that one-And I'm a BYU fan. Nicely done Utah'95. That
was priceless! See, BYU and Utah fans can get along when we want to ;-)
Everyone but the BCS itself agrees that the system is flawed. Fans want a
legitimate national champion crowned at the end of the season. The BCS only
CLAIMS that's what it wants. Fans are truthful about what they want;
the BCS lies. It's goal is money; money for itself, and money for the elite
programs in the country because therein the BCS finds the greatest potential for
Doug,You forget about the history behind these bowl games. Most had
direct conference tie in before the BCS and without them there would have been
no BCS formula. Secondly to get all of the (then) major conferences to agree to
a BCS format, all had to have a guarantee spot for their conference champions.
The main purpose in developing the BCS format was one, to get a
concensus one vs. two match up and second to eliminate the nonsense of 15 years
ago when major bowl were extending invitations three weeks before the season
ended and creating embarassments when those teams lost.The Big East
ought to lose their guarantee and unless TCU somehow saves their bacon, they
probably will in a couple of years. Sadly, if the MWC could have held itself
together along with adding Boise State, they would be in line to pick up an
automatic, but no more.As an independent, BYU has only a sliver of a
chance of landing in a BCS bowl in the future. Utah will find out how tough it
will be in a big boy league and maybe will get in once in ten years.
Hancock doesn't think the system is working for football, he thinks it is
working for him and his friends to line their pockets with millions of dollars.
He may have forgotten to qualify that in his prior statements. The
only way to beat the BCS is to bring it down financially. If we all commit to
not attend the games and notwatch the games on TV then they will lose money and
I agree the top two teams (based on their records) are playing each other, but a
playoff system could yield a Stanford,TCU, Wisconsin or some other winner that
we all felt good about. Quite frankly, The Big East does not deserve to have a
team in a BCS bowl this year, and I'm not even sure the Big 12 deserves a spot.
Forget about conference affiliations. If we can't have a playoff
system, lets use these "magically" computer rankings and send the Top
12 teams to the BCS bowls. Number 1 plays 2. Number 3 plays 4 and so forth!
I think Doug hurts his own argument by including Stanford and Nevada as teams
that should get consideration for who is the best team. Stanford lost to Oregon
by 3 touchdowns. Nevada lost to Hawaii.U.S. sports fans often
delude themselves into thinking that a playoff is the only fair way to determine
a championship. I actually appreciate college football because of the emphasis
it gives to the regular season, which none of the big leagues gives. NBA, MLB,
NFL, NCAA basketball? wake me up when the playoffs start or the last week of
the regular season. The Oregon vs. Stanford regular season game was a playoff
matchup that gave extra excitement to the regular season. That excitement
permeates through each week of the regular season for undefeated teams.But because of the small sample size for college football with only 12 games
each and 120 teams, I think a plus-one playoff would be good, and I think that
TCU has a legitimate gripe this year about being excluded. But I don't think
Stanford and Nevada have legitimate gripes for being excluded at the end from
I don't know what the big deal is, the BCS system works fine. I'm more than
happy to be a part of it once we enter the PAC-12! We'll finally be able to
contend for a National Championship. I used to be ant-BCS, but now I'm all for
The BCS should be required to remove the word "championship" from its
name. It is misleading and is false advertising, because the distribution of
money is involved. Grab some of our overpaid congressmen away from their
luncheons and brothels are make them do something about this.
The BCS system is great. For example, the PAC 12 is sending two teams to the
BCS Bowl this year. That is over 40 million dollars that gets shared between
the PAC 12 Conference members. The only people who seem to have a problem with
the BCS are people who have never been to a BCS or don't belong to a BCS
Conference.Go Utes, Go BCS, Go PAC 12!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a major college football playoff would have looked like for 2010.Every ranked conference champion, plus the next highest ranked teams
(AP/Coaches combined) to get to 16 teams.This year, the Big East,
MAC, Sun Belt and C-USA champions wouldn't qualify for the playoffs; but, every
conference would get a share of the playoff revenue. Conferences that advanced
past the first round would get a larger share. A playoff would generate at least
$750 million more than the BCS.Teams seeded according to ranking
with higher ranked teams hosting the first-round games the first Friday and
Saturday after Christmas.Friday, December 31st16.Oklahoma St.
at 1.Auburn*9.Oklahoma* at 8.Arkansas13.Nevada* at
4.Wisconsin*12.Virginia Tech* at 5.StanfordSaturday, January
1st14.Missouri at 3.TCU*11.LSU at 6.Ohio St.15.Alabama
at 2.Oregon*10.Boise St. at 7.Michigan St.Saturday, January
8thQuarter-finals in Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose BowlsSaturday, January 15thSemi-finalsSaturday, January 22ndChampionshipOther bowls could still be played on any day except
for playoff days.Conference Champions not included in playoffUCF*Troy*Connecticut*Miami(OH)*
The BCS rocks!
There is no such thing as a "bowl system".The bowls are
nothing more than stimulus packages for local chambers of commerce.There's nothing "championship" about the BCS. You could take this
year's NFL Super Bowl champions, put them in the MAC where they could obliterate
every team on their schedule and using the current BCS "formula",
they'd be lucky to finish in the Top 20, with no chance at all of playing in the
BCS championship game.The BCS is a complete farce and will
eventually collapse under the weight of its own stupidity.
@LonestarRunnerA great proposal and I agree with you.
Gotta love all of the little trolls trying to get a rise out of the crowd by
pretending to be BCS lovers.No true fan of major college football
could possibly prefer watching Connecticut(8-4) vs. Oklahoma(11-2) in the Fiesta
Bowl, rather than Oklahoma(11-2) at Arkansas(10-2) in the first round of a
playoff.Anybody who claims they'd rather watch Connecticut vs.
Oklahoma is either a serious Connecticut homer, or is lying.
I like the BCS bowl system. Just accept it for what it is...an extra game at the
end of the season against a decent opponent. I like the way 1 and 2 are
determined, and the rest of the bowls...who cares...just enjoy the game!The BCS tries to give us a championship game with the two BEST teams
from the regular season. It is what it is. I don't think that a playoff system
would be any more fun to watch and would require a lot more travel for student
athletes and also fans. Bad idea!
LonestarRunnerYour playoff proposal would have more intriguing
matchups IN THE FIRST ROUND, than we'll have in this year's 35 bowls
COMBINED.Even in the PAC 12, the chances of Utah ever playing in a
BCS championship game are almost nil, meaning, no chance for a national
championship.With a playoff, the Utes would have a decent
opportunity to finish in the Top 16 and at least have a chance to play for a
UteFan24 "... the BCS system works fine. I'm more than happy to
be a part of it once we enter the PAC-12! I used to be ant-BCS, but now I'm all
for it!"The ultimate Ute hypocrite.
doughnutboy"playoff system would... require a lot more travel
for student athletes and also fans."Somehow fans of D1-AA, DII
and DIII teams are able to travel. andSomehow NCAA
basketball fans are able to travel (mid-terms and finals occur during March
Madness for most NCAA basketball players).But, fans of major college
football can't travel?Most of the major college playoffs would occur
during winter break, so the impact on student athletes would be minimal -- a few
days at the beginning of a new semester for a handful of different teams each
year.The arguments about increased travel and the impact on student
athletes are myths perpetuated by the bowls and the BCS to maintain their
strangle hold on the major college football post-season.The BCS
produces SIGNIFICANTLY LESS revenue that a playoff would -- $750 million to $1
billion according to some studies -- money that could be used by colleges and
universities, instead of filling the pockets of funny-coat wearing bowl
LonestarRunner is right on!Why does the BCS want only a 1-game
playoff of two teams? A playoff of 16 teams using the BCS bowls is an excellent
idea.If this runs too late into January, just move it up to start at
least 2 weeks after the end of the regular season/conference championships. All other teams below the 16, can have their own bowls as well.Its a great compromise, and long overdue!
Saying that the BCS system has flaws is like saying Salt lake City has a smog
problem . Everyone knows it, but fixing it...
Really some utah fans - now you support bcs? Whatever!
We need a playoff now! 1AA does it just fine. Ask anyone from Weber State,
Montana or any other FCS school if they would rather go to a bowl game or have
their team in a playoff with a chance to win, yes win, a true National
The bowl system makes an enormous amount of money for the bowl cities, the
participating schools, and the television networks. Replacing the bowl system
with a playoff system, though it would crown a legitimate national
championship, would entail far fewer games, fewer participating schools, and
bring in a lot less money. The bowl system is not about determining a champion,
but giving schools a chance to bring in more income. Most programs depend on a
bowl game to break even. And it's usually the schools' football programs that
pay for all other sports. That's why the BCS exists and why there won't be a
They will find cures to cancer and the common cold before the BCS is fair with
anybody. I will no longer watch or support college football. I have
boycotted it! What is the point in watching sports anyway if we already know
they are rigged?Star treatment is another joke in sports that ruins the
fun for everybody. It is difficult to even be a fan when you face the truth.
Corn DogThe bowl system makes an enormous amount of money for the bowl cities - truefor the participating schools - false,
in fact many teams LOSE money attending bowl games (Ohio State LOST $79,597 on
last year's Rose Bowl.)and for the television networks - trueReplacing the bowl system with a playoff system... Who said
you have to replace the bowl system entirely to have a playoff?would
entail far fewer games - falseIt could actually result in more
games, depending on how many bowls continue.fewer participating
schools - false (see above)and bring in a lot less money - FALSEStudies have shown that a playoff would generate $750 million to $1
billion MORE than all of bowls COMBINED!A share of the playoff money
could be given to every conference, spreading the wealth to more than just a few
schools, and even then, the top programs would receive much more money than they
getting from the bowl system.(continued)
How Ohio State lost $79,597 on the Rose Bowl.The $18.5 million [Ohio
State received for making the Rose Bowl last January] went to the Big Ten, where
it was added to a pool of bowl revenue that was then sliced into 12 shares - one
for each team, one for the league office. That still left Ohio State with a tidy
$2.2 million to spend, which the Buckeyes did. Ohio State's team travel costs
were $352,727. Unsold tickets ran the school a cool $144,710. The bill to
transport, feed and lodge the band and cheerleaders came to $366,814. Throw in
entertainment, gifts and sundry other expenses and the Buckeyes lost $79,597.
@ Corn Dog. Please tell us where you went to college or which college you route
for. I guarantee it's not a "mid major"!
While the column is great, you can't generalize the Big East "regularly
getting killed" in their BCS bowl. The Big East is overrated, but as a
Mountaineer, I have to point out that both times West Virginia has represented
the Big East in the BCS (2006 and 2008) they beat Georgia from the almighty SEC,
and Oklahoma. I agree the Big East is overrated, but they have won 3 of their
last 6 BCS games since Miami and Va. Tech left for the ACC. Lets make sure we're
doing our homework, huh!!
re: lonestarrunner$750 Million? How did you figure this? People
argue the BCS is about money and control, IF that argument is true and that
number is true, don't you think they'd be doing it?People complained
about the bowl system so we now have the BCS. They'll complain about the BCS
until we get a playoff. THEN, we'll complain about how the playoff is not fair!
Then we'll allow all teams in. Then we'll say you have to have at least 6 wins
to qualify. Then we'll start getting individual sponsers for each games. Then
we'll be back at the bowl system! FULL CIRCLE!!! Isn't life
great!I accept the BCS for what it is. A means for a SPORT at the
college level to decide a top dog! I worry more about my family, the economy,
and what the future hold for my kids. I'll let all you "smart
people" with all the answers worry about the BCS!
TrueBlue is right on!Mo money, mo money, mo money!With
early round game sites at the higher ranked teams' stadiums, and quarterfinals,
semi-finals, and championship played at current Bowl sites, everyone will have a
shot at more revenue. The NCAA or Bowls should consider sharing team travel
expense, if they don't already.Fanatical fans WILL follow their team
to three bowls in row, if the title was on the line.In effect, every
regular season game will be part of the national playoff. All teams will have
their shot, no one will be left out.Mo money for all, and an
unbefore-seen excitement for the college game!
Bored"$750 Million? How did you figure this?"He didn't.Google Dan Wetzel and the book titled, "Death to
the BCS."The authors cite experts who say a playoff could
generate $750 million per year and $1 billion within five years or $600-$850
million more in revenue than the current system generates.
It is not the BCS that is hurting college football. It is the constant whinning
of the mid-majors crying about not being worthy to play for the NC. The
fixation with the NC takes away from the regular season and the conference
titles and the overall enjoyment of watching your team play each week.The BSC bowls are one of the highlights of the season. Enjoy!
Bowls, For the fourth consecutive year, the Mountain West Conference will send
five teams into postseason bowl games in 2010. The Mountain West has earned 46
bowl bids since 1999 and holds a 25-16 all-time record in those games, including
a 9-3 mark against BCS automatic-qualifying conferences since 2004. The Mountain
West finished with a 4-1 (.800) mark in postseason play last year and claimed
the Bowl Challenge Cup, becoming the only conference to win the trophy three
times since the award's inception in 2002-03. The MWC is 2-1 in BCS bowl games
and has a 670 winning percentage in BCS Bowl games.
667 winning percentage my bad. And the WAC also went 2/2 last year in their
bowl games going 1-1 against the Mountain west.
Go Big Blue!!!The BSC bowls are one of the highlights of the
season.Four more meaningless bowls, like Connecticut vs Oklahoma,
and one questionable championship gameversusFIFTEEN do
or die games that would make the Big Dance pale in comparison?The
BCS lovers go on blindly drinking the BCS Koolaid and spouting the company line,
while the major college football post-season could be second only to the NFL
playoffs and Super Bowl in excitement.
It has been estimated that a playoff system for the top 16 or top 12 with a
couple of qualifyer games would bring in an additional 1 Billion dollars to the
NCAA. The BCS does not want to let go of THEIR money train even though in the
long run they would benefit.
@Bored to the Point, I don't ever hear anyone complain about playoffs in the
NFL; unless of course it's about their own team stinkin' it up.16
team playoff would be amazing. 8 mid level bowls before Christmas, the 4 BCS
bowls for the 8 winners the week after, Semi-finals around New Year, and the
REAL championship a week later.
"FIFTEEN do or die games that would make the Big Dance pale in
comparison" --skywalkerExcellent post.And I would
add, don't wait a month. Bring it on two weeks after regular season. Teams
don't need time to heal. I want them when they're on a roll. And I can't wait
til Christmas. I hate this football void! (no offense to those who follow the
NFL, not a fan.)