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Published: Monday, Dec. 6 2010 11:16 p.m. MST

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JBrady
Murray, Ut

I wish the Utah compact had addressed illegal immigration. That's the problem. Instead they chose to combine legal and illegal immigrants to cloud the situation.

How many would of signed it, if the word immigration was changed to illegal immigration?

AggieNation
Logan, Utah

As much as we all would like illegal immigration to be handled effectively, it IS NOT in the purview of the states to enforce FEDERAL immigration law. If you believe in he Constitution, then what Arizona did and what Utah is proposing is illegal. All we can do is send our petitions of grievances to the Congress and President. Illegal immigration is not a simple matter of enforcement. The costs of deportation would be phenomenally damaging to taxpayers.

sodiedog
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Jowers says Utah is misunderstood. Really?

micawber
Centerville, UT

@JBrady,

I would have signed it anyway. It's clear to me what the Utah Compact is talking about, even without the phrase "illegal immigration" in it.

CWEB
Orem, UT

Sandstrom and all the other people who think illegals just "broke the law" are ignorant, and have NO compassion! They don't care "why" a person came, to them it matters NOT!

They are the very people that the Savior talked about in the parable of the Good Samaritan. They pass by, not wanting to be involved, or don't care, or for some other reason (it's the law--they scream!) They do not stop to ponder the plight that so many were in that caused them to come illegally.

They do not care, that the immigration laws of this land are so difficult to deal with, that only the wealthy and the very educated can navigate the path through the red tape.

They do not care of the children of the illegal mother--were continually sexually abused by family or others. (Those people should have STAYED there and taken it!!!)

These people do not see themselves as those who passed by the beaten man. Nor do they see themselves as Javair in Les Mis... but THIS IS who they are.

God forgive them for their FEAR, their arrogance, their lack of gratitude for THEIR great blessings.

Built2Last
Provo, UT

Oh goody! An endorsement from the New York Times. In general, I would say if the NYT is praising you for something, you'd better re-examine the direction you are headed.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder how the NY Times journalists would feel if we brought journalists from Mexico city to take THEIR job?

The NY Times lost their relevancy ages ago! The only ones who don't know this is them!

Machado
South Jordan, UT

Wow!! Talk about intolerance. CWEB provided the best example I've seen in a long time.

klangton
Akiachak, AK

Cheers for CWEB. Much of the dialogue about immigration does not well reflect our religious beliefs.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Changing allegiances to a new country is not an overnight decision and is not a decision that can be made on an overnight trip to the U.S. in the back of a semi-truck.

Yes, there is "red tape" as CWEB calls it to become a citizen of the U.S. There is much less "red tape" to become a legal worker of the U.S. Thousands and thousands of immigrants are able to handle this. Why not all?

If we facilitate illegal immigration, we may as well stop persecuting those who commit other crimes, such as armed robbery, DUI, or even murder, as being behind bars does not help these criminals provide for their families.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

CWEB: to say that "people came here illegally" is not "ignorant." IT IS A FACT. These people have broken the law and are here illegally. Can we deal with this situation compassionately? Of course.

But, deliberate violation of the sovereign laws of any nation is an affront to that country and also against what God has taught us--"render unto Caeser the things that are Caeser's." We are required to obey and sustain the laws of the land.

Am I opposed to immigration? NO! But, we have a legal process and people need to go through it. Our borders are wide open, but WE get to decide who we let in.

I wish people wouldn't get so emotional.

UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

I agree that the importance of the NY Times editorial "cannot be underestimated."

SLars
Provo, UT

Over a million people come here legally each year. It's not that difficult if one has patience and a desire to become an American citizen, instead of looking for a job.

Intolerance and compassion are both two way streets. Intolerance towards our laws, and lack of compassion towards those in line cannot be stressed enough.

As others have said, The New York Times supports open borders. They care more about political ideology than this countries future.

Teafortwo
salt lake city, utah

Illegal immigrants are criminals. Period. Why is that so hard for some people to understand? If the average American citizen were caught doing the things that illegals do on a regular basis, they would find themselves in deep trouble, and quite possibly in jail. We allow people of every imaginable racial and ethnic background to go through a process to come to America legally. There is absolutely no reason we should tolerate illegal immigration to ANY degree.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The Gray Lady sold out to the left thirty years ago. Why would anyone care what they think?

Gormax
Cedar Hills, UT

@Cats, ouisc, all:

#1. Explain to me the legal process that the people of this country undertook in order to change several discrimination laws. Isn't it true that in many cases laws were changed after many people risked breaking the law in order to initiate that change?

#2. Not all things we want are good for us. Right now we want jobs so badly that we are willing to kick illegal immigrants out in order to "free up" jobs. This move can prove to be devastating because companies don't care who works for them, only how much they cost. Case in point: Hershey moves to Mexico. Also, people who work here (illegal or otherwise) spend money to live here which generates other sources of income. Stopping one person from working inevitably stops another.

#3. To CWEB's point, shouldn't our decision of how to treat a person (illegal or otherwise) be based on higher reasoning than our laws may dictate? If our character is dictated by our laws, then we have no chance of progressing. Rather, I think our character should dictate our laws, which means our laws may need to change.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

ouisc,
I agree with what you said except your first statement is based on an erroneous assumption. Illegals do not change their allegience, only their residence

SLars
Provo, UT

@Gormax. The PEW institute has put the average wage of someone here illegally at $11,900. That's below the poverty level and would not require paying taxes. Also business can hire someone here illegally as a sub contractor. Then no taxes or social security is taken out. There are more loopholes than you can imagine.

And we are paying 15 million people unemployment, so people here illegally have work? Those jobs belong to Americans.

Will honesty and integrity ever return to the immigration debate?

ironmania
San Diego, CA

Those who chant "what part of illegal don't you understand..." may wish to consider how the State deals with polygamy. Yes, it is on the books as an illegal activity, but the State is very selective in how it prosecutes the crime, in order to be sensitive to disruptions to innocent spouses and children.

Can't the Feds take a similar approach to immigration enforcement?

Christine
Orem, UT

When will Sandstrom and his band start protecting and defending the rights, freedoms and opportunities of millions of Inocent American children. When will they uphold the Constitution to protect those rights.

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