I can not speak to colleges in Utah, but I do know that Eastern Michigan
University offers many on-line and night classes, many of their graduate
programs assume the students have day jobs. The same is true of Wayne State
University. Also, BYU's independent study program at least meets
some of the broad criteria mentioned by some. I would argue that
some of the University of Phoenix probalems are linked to issues with on-line
courses themselves. On the other hand, I dealt with cancelled
sections at Wayne State University, so UofPh does not have a conner on that
RE: Big AlYour #2 is incorrect. UOP is accredited by the North
Central Association, which is a regional accrediting body. This is the same
level as the U or BYU, SUU etc.I am graduate of UOP and now a grad
student at another university. Most grad programs require students to have a
degree from a regionally accredited institution before accepting you into the
program.As a UOP graduate, I'm very happy to see some of these
changes (and I'm glad the feds are tightening the leash about how student loan
money is used). It will help more people that sign up come away with an
education and a degree, not just a load of debt.
I used to be an Operations Manager for UOP, and I can say a few things:1.
UOP is not a scam, but the educational model is very difficult for students to
stick with over the long term (2+ years). The typical student has a full-time
job, a family, other responsibilities, etc., and can't hack the accelerated
learning model. So they quit--big surprise!2. UOP is Nationally
accredited, which is not as credible as being Regionally accredited (such as
BYU, U of U, USU, etc.) But still is fully accredited.3. UOP and other
proprietary, for profit schools put a huge emphasis on SALES! They are a
business first, and an educational institution second. They also depend wholly
on either governmental or corporate tuition payment (very few UOP students are
paying their tuition directly). Therefore, UOP depends a great deal on the
government's program for student loans. That's the only way students can afford
to get their education paid for. Like any other credit situation, the typical
student is not thinking about the day of reckoning when they are approved for
the loan. They are "surprised" when the time comes to repay.
The "for profits" fill a need that regular universities either will
not, cannot, or are simply to arrogant to meet. For those of you who are on your
righteous soap box claiming that those who go to UoP or the like do not know
sacrifice or are no twilling to work hard perhaps you should think twice before
you attempt to speak. UVU, the U of U, BYU, WSU, and SLCC students carry many of
the same loan types that UoP students use. Can anyone find at any state college
or university here in Utah a dedicated online degree program with 20 to 30
degree options, is accessible 24/7, uses a proven accelerated learning plan,
does not require proxy testing at a satellite office, caters to working adults,
and offers credit for professional work in the field of degree choice? You
cannot because it does not exist. UoP needed to make changes. What large
institution doesnt? The real crime is the fallacy that the only degrees worth
having are only from a traditional university of college. Perhaps the real
investigation should be how these traditional institutions are failing a group
of society in need of a vital service.
Why would people go to University of Phoenix? If you are afraid difficult
classes, you still have other choices, like University of Utah.
My problem with the "for profit schools" is that said profit is
guaranteed by the US Taxpayer in the form of government guaranteed student
loans. If it weren't for government backed student loans the vast majority of
these schools would go out of business. Guess who pays dear tax payer when a
student of one of these for profit (some better than others) doesnt graduate
with marketable skills and thus cannot pay back the loan. Basically it is
another form of corporate welfare for the for profit schools who have raked in
record guaranteed profits (govt. student loans again) and produced mixed at best
and horrible at worst results.
I obtained my Master of Counseling degree at the Salt Lake City UOP campus over
a decade ago. My instructors were all fantastic. They and a good share of my
fellow grad students were already working in the field of mental health, thus
the UOP motto of "the university for working adults". UOP got me into
a really good internship program and prepared me well for national licensing
standards (CACREP). I licensed in North Carolina and passed the test easily on
the first try. I am a very good mental health therapist now - and I owe a lot
of that to UOP and its great program.
A 40% drop in enrollment during a time when traditional schools are experiencing
a 20% increase is simply astonishing. I also read an article published in the
Deseret News on November 23 which said that the online school only graduated 5%
of their entering students within 6 years. This should be a wake-up
call to everyone. There simply isn't such a thing as convenient education. It
takes time, effort, and sacrifice. That is why college graduates are so highly
prized in the workforce. Those looking for the easy way out are just spinning
their wheels and going nowhere.
Being a father of 4 and a student I was unable to get any help from the regular
universities. None of them seemed to want to help in any way and to get me into
their school. UOP went out of their way to make sure I was going to have
everything I needed in order to succeed. They work with me on financing and
scheduling more than any state college did while attending them. If it wasn't
for UOP I would not be able to get my degree and at least try to make a better
life for my kids.
@ Mount Olympus- Actually, UOP probably has the same level of accreditation that
the state university you dropped out of does.
If someone takes on a lot of debt to obtain a Univ of Phoenix degree than that
is on them.It's really not that hard to go to a public university
like the U - as you can always go the community college route as well.
I registered for a program 5 years ago, showed up for my first class excited to
learn, and after being told to sit in the foyer, the receptionist came over
after making several phone calls and told me the class was cancelled. I drove 45
minutes to get to that class! The next class was also cancelled just after I'd
arrived.I made an appointment with my 'counselor' and was told my master's
program section was cancelled. I finally gave up, got a refund and went
elsewhere. Poorly run, in my experience.
i wouldn't call it a scam. I would say for-profit schooling is not the best
choice. this is a long time coming from UOP/apollo group. The
position description for "counselor" and "adviser" were
basically sales positions. UOP had a unsustainable business model. Tons of debt
with largely a useless degree.
University of Phoenix is a scam. Occasionally they may have a class or 2 that
will benefit someone, but overall it is a scam. Tuition costs are so high, it
is not accredited by anyone, and you can't transfer the credits to a
university.For-profits are not a good place to get a degree, I would
urge all to stay away.