Very very interesting! This is so, especially in light of the fact that Harry O
is a member of the the LDS (Mormon)Church and the Cburch has long been against
gambling of any kind. Harry is not only a liberal but also a
Well, he's a politician, representing the people of Nevada, who want gambling
because they want that for their economy. Being their representative, he has to
put his people's wishes above his own religious beliefs sometimes. That said,
being LDS myself, that is an unsavory bill. There's a reason I choose not to
live in Nevada.
NOTHING Harry Reid does surprises me.
@ Tomv: Absolutely so! How dare an elected official put the desires of his
constituents above his personal beliefs! Doing his job - the absolute shame!
Dingy Harry needs to read James E Fausts talk about offending the devil. He
also should read the 2005 April General Conference Priesthood address of
President Hinckley. He goes with his party more than with his church.
Reid is NUTS and this just adds to his incompetence as a representative of the
people. It is not the people who want gambling, its the state and business world
who basically have no rights to vote on any issue.Nevada for the
first time in many generations are feeling the pinch and disadvantage of a
gambling dependent government and society that is totally dependent on outsiders
of the state to be their bread and butter. Now they want to spread their flawed
philosophy to the rest of the country.I have nothing against
gambling but using it as the states main financial resource is too dangerous.
Especially in a down economy and no jobs.Like many state with their
lotteries they are now losing money and even more trying to pay past mega
winners with IOU's out of funds that have shrunk. Gambling is not the resource
for government obligations.
Poker is not gambling. It is a skill game involving the use of cards. Anyone who
has actually played it would know this.
Wow, this is one of those topics, and the accompanying posts, that should scare
everyone. There's many posts on here saying that the politician should vote
his/her religion's beliefs and not their own beliefs or the wants of their
contituents. Let's watch as America comes full circle: They left England
because of a lack of religious freedom, but here we are now wanting religion to
rule our country. Also, is it against Mormon religion to gamble?
Because if it is, there are many more hypocrits out there than Mr. Reid.
Poker is a game. Any game involving the chance for money is gambling (check the
dictionary). I've seen too many people have their lives set back by gambling and
its addiction. I believe it ruins lives and communities.Now, back to
Reid. I believe his policies also ruin lives and communities. We get what we
"We are not talking about an activity that harms others where we properly
step in," Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the current Financial Services
chairman, said at a hearing this year.Poker is not gambling. It is a
skill game involving the use of cards. Anyone who has actually played it would
know this"I must be smarter than others cause I have seen it
cause problems for and individuals family, his sons family and is now having an
effect on his grandson. Congressman Frank should get aquainted before he makes
such statements. Poker was gambling in the case(s) I know about and as long as
it is for money rather than "matchsticks" it will be so. If not why
are the Nevada gambling intrests promoting it.Well Reid is supposed
to represent the interests of his state & as an example they have shown a
lot of interest by their money. I don't know personally if on-line poker would
actually be benefical to most of the citizens of Nevada.FINALLY -
talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop, the gambling industry is to
oversee the on-line gambling - WOW !
Reid, remind us why you are LDS?
Payback time, now you see how Mr. Reid won his last election. Oh, dargen next
time you get dealt that royal flush just keep whispering its all because of my
Do the words "double standard" come to mind? LDS doctrinal standards
require LDS members not gamble. Yes there are those that do, but is that not a
double standard? I personally have enough "sins" to work on without
adding that to my list, but, many are losing their shirts, their own fault yes,
but it lures the people in thinking each time their chances are better. Families
have broken up through the gambling life and addiction to same. Harry Reid is
looking out for Harry make no mistake. Not for the "little guy/gal" of
Nevada. Just when he wants their votes are they convenient to him.
It shows you Harry Reid will do anything to pay back those who succeeded in
getting him re-elected. He has lost his principles and is a real disappointment
to me! He must be "losing it in his declining years" to abandon those
principles which will stand him in good stead in eternity. Poor Harry is to be
I guess , he has put aside integrity and following church dictates. Too bad that
popularity and being accepted by the mass has caused him to rationalize and
justify his behavior and what he stands for.. First national socialistic
healthcare [any program that dictates (removes freedom to choose) and fines you
for not doing as they say is corrupt] and now gambling even poker online(another
foot in the door).. The ways of the world are getting him. Evil is insidious, a
little deal here and a little there until it has the whole hand, then arm.. He's
well on the way.. For us valiant LDS, watching, it is too bad we don't have a
valiant, hot, gospel principled man standing up and setting the example. I'm
ashamed to use him as an example of LDS..
Which is it folks?Should Harry Reid do all in his power to end
gambling in Nevada because the LDS church does not condone it?How
about Coffee and Alcohol? Should Harry initiate legislation to end those?Are those what the people of Nevada want?I have thought that
as an astute businessman, Romney would make a good president.But....
are you saying he should put the views of his church ahead of all else?On second thought, maybe Romney is not a good fit.
Let's see commenters... prostitution is legal in Nevada so Harry Reid should
promote it nationally? That seems to be the logic of those arguing here -- that
personal beliefs and principles don't matter. Balderdash. We try to elect good
people of conscience to do the right thing. In that sense, a church or creed,
Mormon or not, matters very much. Reid is clearly a hypocrite here. I don't
live in Nevada; and cannot understand how he was elected or how his constituents
feel they can trust him.As to the trend, and it was long ago a trend
and now simply business as usual, of gambling to fund government -- it is great
evil in our society.
People making the argument that Reid is just doing his job looking out for his
state have no clue about what casino's in his state want. Most are against
online gaming because it draws people away form the casinos.If he
were protecting the state he would have chosen another option. Online gaming
taxes don't stay in Nevada, they go to DC. Indian oversight? There is only one
Indian casino in Nevada to my knowledge and it is one of the smaller ones. And
as far as requiring them to only be 5 years old? All the real players have been
around for decades, however making it 5 years allows all the new players to take
more revenue away from the big players.None of these actions are for
the benefit of Nevada casinos or gaming corporations. Lastly, most
of the supporters Reid has in NV are not LDS, the majority of which are more
conservative voters. Reid only sends up the LDS flag during elections, the rest
of the time his religion is politics, greed, and power.
Well gee, if Barney Frank thinks gambling is OK, who am I to say no? He gambled
with Fannie and Freddie, and the whole nation came up snakeyes. Sounds like he
knows what he's talking about...
To reelect Harry Reid was about as dumb as it gets.
"To reelect Harry Reid was about as dumb as it gets."You
mean as opposed to electing Sharon Angle?The woman who thinks the
media should only ask the questions that SHE WANTS TO ANSWER?As far
as if Reid should support prostitution, YES, if the majority of the state he
represents wanted that. Nationally? Of course not.(I doubt that is the case,
but the point is made)Look, people are gambling on line today. And
all of the money is going overseas. It certainly makes sense to look at it.
Our politicians should vote the general will of the people that they
represent.Unfortunately, they typically vote with whoever is giving
them the most money.
I disagree that Senators or Representatives have to "put their people's
wishes above their religious beliefs". Legislators should seek for
positive public policy decisions, and this can often mean advocating public
policy that is unpopular. If the function of legislators was just
to parrot the wish of the majority, we could get rid of the legislature and have
popular votes on all issues. Since we actually have legislators, it is their
duty to advocate positive public policy even when it is seen as a bad
decision. Anyway, having served my mission in Las Vegas, Nevada the
claim that gambling interests and the people of Nevada are one and the same is
totally false. There are many people in Nevada not involved in gambling at all,
and others only vaguely. There is a reason why in parts of western Las Vegas
there are enough people who oppose casinos that they have voted against allowing
them to be built there.
I would like to make a statement that it is sometimes unpopular to do what is
right. Mr. Reid has made a decision to help or aide some of constinguents. In
his mind it is right. I don't agree with it as I know just as many know that
what will happen is broken families, countless hours sitting in front of a
computer and playing a game. This takes time away from families and family
activities.Yes, the LDS Church is against any form of gambling as it
is an ill of society. It destroys more than it helps.For a
politician to do what is right against what the people want has cost many an
election.During the impeachment of Andrew Johnson his impeachment
trial came down to one vote. That vote was cast by a Missourian who stood up
for the Union as a whole and voted against the impeachment. In the end his
political career was over. Politicians as a whole are nothing more than
criminals dressed in sheep clothing. We decide basically every two or four
years which of these criminals will lead our country.
"the claim that gambling interests and the people of Nevada are one and the
same is totally false."Where did anyone ever say that?Of course they are not "the same"That said, A politician
running on ending gaming in Nevada would not go very far.And for
those in "western Las Vegas", I would bet that it is a case of NIMBY.
But I doubt that the majority of those people favor ending gaming
and casinos in Nev and lose all the jobs and tax advantages associated with it.
Michelle said of Senator Reid, "...I'm ashamed to use him as an example of
LDS.." I hope she can say just as vehemently about Glenn Beck, "I'm
ashamed to use him as an example of LDS."Although I choose not
to gamble, I am aware that many folks do. I have witnessed that a state
referendum by the taxpayers to establish a lottery has done more than anything
else to fund college scholarships for thousands of Arkansans, a major
breakthrough in support for higher education. A similar proposal to raise taxes
for student scholarships would never have stood a chance in the voting booth.
Harry Reid has sold his soul to the devil, putting his integrity on the line. No
wonder he's shunned by the LDS community. I live in the state where we "put
up" with a mean spirited, lackluster politician like Barney Frank.
Massachusetts is a liberal state with a lot of political corruption. Harry Reid
is placating his peers and constituents. He's gone "a whoring after strange
gods." He's earned his thirty pieces of silver.
No man can serve two masters... obviously.