Combining words and making up new ones is a sign of schizophrenia?
Actually knowing the arrogance and elitishness of some in the psychiatric
"profession" it would not surprise me is this "Dr." would
have claimed that Palin's use of the term refudiate showed she had mental
illness. This is the problems with this "doctor"'s
amorphouse definition of delusions. They are built around a set of non-unique
behaviors.They also need to be understood within the social and
religious context of the person involved. The problem is that "Dr."
DeMeir does not understnad even the basic Mormon social context, let alone the
context of Bo Gritz extremism. It is convient for this doctor and
many of his elitist allies to speak of the "God delusion" and write
off all religious belief as at heart disordered.However, do we want
to go from punishing criminals to "treating" all their actions as
disordered. The fear in Mitchell's case is if he is given to these
"experts" how long will it take him to be "cured" and set
I would point out, not that it will help all that much, that this is a federal
trial. Some people speak of it as if it is a state trial.The
prosecution is the U.S. attorney's office and if any attorney general ever made
a decision about it (which I highly doubt) it was either Gonzalez or Holder, not
Shurtleff. At times it saddens me how few people understand the
differences in federal and state courts, federal and state laws, federal and
state prosecution and so on.
People in our society who suffers from bizarre delusions:1. Defense
lawyers believing Mitchell did'nt know what he was doing.2. Political
leaders who mismanage tax money.3. Educators who believe standardized
tests is good for learning.4. Citizens who believe our taxes will not go
up a single dime.5. Businesses who believe Season Greetings should replace
Merry Christmas.Are we being infested with bizarre delusions?
that's what happens when they have a psychologist try and play pretend
doctor..not saying you won't find some "for-hire"
psychiatrist out there - but at least then they'll have an actually medical
Delusional - no doubt. But is he not guilty by reason of insanity - no. He
does know right from wrong and does not dispute the facts of what happened. All
of the rest the good doctor said does not excuse the guilt or remove the need
for Mitchell to be locked away.
I disagree with the Doctor. While I do not think that Mr. Mitchell is the
Davidic King, I do not see why it is not possible.
I think the Dr. is delusional!
Let's see: the "doctor" spent five hours interviewing the rapist.
Elizabeth spent nine months being abused by him.Who do you think
knows Mitchell better???
There is no question that Mitchell is mentally ill. When one takes into account
anxiety, depression and bipolar disorders; 20-30 percent of adults are mentally
ill. The important point is that he is guilty of serious crimes. The good doctor
said that paranoid schizophrenics and those with delusional disorders can
"hold jobs, drive cars and take care of personal hygiene". I say they
can also go to prison.
DeMier: "Except for their delusional belief, they're hard to distinguish
from everybody else."I'm fine with saying Mitchell is
delusional. But to claim that this "disorder" (whatever) somehow
means he is not responsible for his actions, is just wrong. Lots of otherwise
"normal" people have wacky, implausible ideas--delusions. And they
must learn to deal with them.I really don't care whether Mitchell is
forced to take anti-psychotic medications and locked up in a hospital, or locked
up in jail as long as he never has the opportunity to walk the streets and
introduce his delusional ideas to my daughters.
I, for one, think Mitchell might actually be delusional. Fakers don't pull
handcarts across California, relinquish modern life to live in a camp in the
hills, wear robes and grow out a beard, and in every other manner completely
adopt the appearance of a religious fanatic for *years* before the commission of
the crime, all for the purpose of constructing an insanity defense just in case
he gets caught, so that he can be sent to a mental institution and forcibly
medicated rather than incarcerated. Mitchell may have known that what he was
doing was wrong when he abused Smart, but I can't imagine that his entire life
for decades has been a carefully constructed ruse.
So are Warren Jeff's and Mitchell the same mentally, how does it differ? They
are both sick men who use religion to prey on young girls. Nothing more.
Why are these self-proclaimed prophets so often pedofiles?
Mitchell is a "PHONY" as is his defense attorneys, throw them all in
prison or physcological cages!
Mitchell obviously has something wrong with his mental functions. But he is a
very dangerous man who should be isolated and prevented from harming others or
negatively influencing other people (like he did with Barzee).And it
seems unlikely that a mental hospital would be able to do anything with him,
with his uncooperative attitude. If he ever walks free again he is
going to be a danger to society, no matter what they call his mental state.
Because the psychiatric "experts" often don't believe much in such
things as good and evil, right and wrong, God, or in the notion of morality, but
instead see things only in terms of "ill," or "not ill,"
they fail to sufficiently consider the possibility of lying as a means of
concealing a known wrong. This is how Mitchell has been able to so thoroughly
and easily bamboozle these "experts," Whitehead and DeMier. And the
grandiosity, narcissism, and self-aggrandizement which prompts Mitchell to apply
a distorted view of biblical scripture to himself is perhaps similar to that
which leads experts like Whitehead and DeMier to dig in their heels, stand by
their diagnoses, and discount the possibility of misdiagnosis, despite evidence
to the contrary and despite the hazard of a miscarriage of justice. Compounding
the problem is the phenomenon of the lie that becomes so big, and so thorough,
that the person making the lie becomes deceived by his own lie, despite his own
knowledge. That is not insanity. It is evil, and it is Mitchell.
There seem to be several statements this doctor makes which he uses as
"rules" to arrive at his conclusion."Nobody believes
that it is possible for Brian Mitchell to be the Davidic king," DeMier
said.If someone did, would that mean he wasn't schizophrenic? Since
it wouldn't, then the absence of belief can not mean he IS schizophrenic."Mitchell's delusions are both "grandiose" and
"paranoid" and differed from extreme religious beliefs because,
typically, those with extreme religious beliefs have some sort of
following."If Mitchell gained a following would it prove he
isn't delusional? Since it wouldn't, the absence of a following does NOT prove
he IS delusional."He said that those with delusions are often
capable planners and can talk about things outside of their delusions, but are
often preoccupied in their thoughts.".. Mitchell is a good planner....Wait, so if I can plan and talk about things outside my religious
beliefs I am delusional? What exactly is a sane person supposed to do? Become
disorganized and do nothing but talk about what he beliefs?This is
ridiculous... These "Experts" need to interact with more
"normal" people and back to reality!
Adolf Hitler suffered from bizarre delusions also. Like our courts of today, it
took the world about eight years to figure that out. Good thing Brian was'nt in
the same position of power.
The more news stories I read the more I'm convinced that Mitchell is 'disturbed'
'mentally off' 'a nutcase''an adulterer' ....and as guilty as sin. His lawyers offer weird detail after weird detail but nothing shows that
Mitchell didn't a) know what he was doing was wrong b)commit a crime. Hopefully they wont draw this out any longer than it needs to so Smart can get
on with her life.
the charges are kidnapping and agrivated sexual abuse (rape).
I don't care if they legally prove he's a total nutburger. That doesn't make
him any less guilty. When a bear goes crazy in Yellowstone park,
they don't have a trial to determine if the bear is competent--they just shoot
it to protect people. Mitchell is an animal--crazy or not. And why
is he not also on trial for rape? They used to hang people for that.
I have a "bizarre delusion" that this trial will end and the jury will
convict Mr. Mitchell.50 years in a federal prison cell should go a
long way in helping Mr. Mitchell get in touch with his inner self.
so i guess if you want to be a pervert and do whatever you want all you have to
do is act strangely and freak your mentally ill wife out so you can get away
with it. i hope these jurors are smarter than the doctors who mitchell saw are.
Just put the guy away and toss out the key...Thank you.
IMO the real reason for Dr.Whitehead's behavior is that the defense needs to try
to discredit the testimony of the main witnesses, Elizabeth Smart & Dr.
Welner. If they can get Elizabeth Smart so emotionally upset so she is unable
testify, they take out the person that spent nine months with Mitchell, who
knows more about what he is, how he manipulates and controls. IMO it will
backfire, Dr. Whitehead's crass behavior and how it effected Elizabeth Smart was
viewed by the jury, which IMO irritated if not angered the jury members, and a
smart legal defense team knows that a jury angry at a defense expert will not be
favorable to defense attorney or their client,in the end the jury holds the
power of guilt or not guilty on basis of insanity. Anymore defense experts
like Whitehead and it's a slam dunk for the prosecution IMO.
Whitehead is just a pointy headed "intellectual" who thinks he is
smarter than the rest of the world.
I think Elizabeth and her family have shown remarkable poise and self-control
during this public display of her kidnap and torture. She has had to bare her
soul about the most intimate details of her life, which were forced upon her
against her will. I'm actually surprised she hasn't walked out sooner, and that
they have all resisted the urge to strangle the life out of this maniac! They
are a strong family, strong individuals, and their faith in God is what is
getting them through the latest chapter in this horror story. PLEASE, don't
ANYONE EVER make a movie about this!!! We've seen the movie and the reruns for 8
years now!I am so glad Judge Kimball is the man in charge. I trust
his judgement and decisions. I hope the jury will also use their best judgement
and recognize that while Mitchell is surely mentally ill, because well people
don't do what he's done, but he knew it was LEGALLY wrong and took measures to
avoid detection. His plans were elaborate. God bless you, Elizabeth
Whitehead testified that Mitchell was not manipulative. I think Whitehead just
became another victim. While the process is slow and frustrating,
it's important that we follow the laws that guarantee due process.
Hang in there, Elizabeth! It's almost over. Jury deliberations should be swift
and this latest grievance will pass. Now that the defense has
concluded that Mitchell is delusional and is whack-a-doodle as we all know, he
has put up a great show of his weirdness. What was the point? To show he was
insane? Nah, just to show that he had definite motives in snuffing out the life
of Elizabeth as she knew it. I think the defense just cemented his guiltiness by
showing he was sane.
This manipulative cuckoo should be put away for the rest of his life. Eliz Smart
did the right thing when she walked away because she did not want to relive bad
moments that she had with Brian David Mitchell after he took her from a loving
Dr Whitehead states that Mitchell has a Delusional disorder. I don't think it
is Mitchell who suffers from that diagnosis. Whitehead is going by the journals
of Barzee's. How credible are those and delusional is that? It is
time this whole trial was done. Long overdue. Enough is enough.
Let's just hope a swift decision is made so we don't have to see this guy's face
all over Utah news anymore. Put him away and leave the Smarts alone.
I agree with Rifleman. Mitchell is most definitely weird and a pervert, but I
personally don't believe him to be "insane". He knew what he was
doing, knew it was wrong, but obviously didn't care. That may make him crazy,
but he's not stupid, nor insane. The only witness the jury really need listen
to and remember is Elizabeth herself. What a wonderful young woman.
So when are we going to hear testimony from any witness that would suggest
Mitchell is insane? So far his witnesses have just confirmed that he is a
This is all a MOCKERY of JUSTICE. Everybody knows Mitchell knew exactly what he
was doing and he is a menace to society. We are tired of hearing about this
legal nonsense - image how of tired of all this the Smarts are, and yet how much
more does Elizabeth and her family have to go thru? How many more years of this?
Too many govt and legal clowns have caused this gross waste of public money
because they love rules and written word and winning more than protecting the
innocent and serving justice. They should pay for all this expense and
suffering of the uselss prolonged suffering of the innocent. To the innocent...
hang on to the thought that it will all be made up to you at sometime.