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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 1 2010 11:46 p.m. MST

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

A little creative writing going on here.

"Last week, undefeated TCU was unworthy. In about 24 months, they will be part of the party"

No, they will be part of the party and worthy of national championship consideration if they run the table in the Big East.... there is a difference here. If they were in the Big East and still played the likes of Wyoming and New Mexico - then yes, it would be another story. But reasonable people will assume TCUs schedule will be just a bit tougher once they make the move.

Now if strength of schedule rating does not improve playing in a new conference, then we have another discussion. But gauging how the "elite" of the MWC like the U and Y played against them, I am sure TCU will get a more competitive schedule once they move.

rok
San Diego, CA

If TCU goes undefeated in the Big East, they still won't go to the NC because their schedule will still be considered too weak.

Rock Chalk BYU
Lawrence, KS

@rok, you beat me to the punch!!! Your comment is dead on.

Dick, I said this to your colleague Doug earlier this week when he said TCU's "problem" was solved. This is true only if your "problem" is going to one of the lesser BCS bowls. Although the BCS does a poor job of it, the "C" does stand for "Championship", and if you tune into the ESPN's BCS rankings program each week, they spend almost all of the time talking about that.

So TCU still has a big problem, and so do the rest of us as long as the BCS is in place.

Its pretty hard to fault TCU in any of this. Its not TCU's job to reform the system, its the NCAA's job to be the grown-up in the room.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

The Big East is the joke of the BCS. An undefeated Big East team, TCU, will just give continued headaches to the system, since they dont plan on sending a Big East team to the National Championship game either. I hope TCU exposes the Big East and continues to bust the BCS.

HCB63
Orem, UT

The BCS is ONLY about money--and keeping as much of it for the SEC as possible.The BCS's Board of Governors is loaded nearly top to bottom with SEC Presidents.

The "Strength of Schedule" argument is as hollow today as when BYU was passed over for a BCS spot with a 11-1 record and a #5 ranking. I have to laugh when strength of schedule is touted and the top teams have played patsy's like Troy State, New Hampshire, and Appalachian State. Meanwhile Utah and BYU are playing Florida State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc.

What a joke.

The only LEGITIMATE way to crown a National Champion is to hold a playoff. However, so long as the BCS holds a monopolistic stranglehold over NCAA Div. 1 football, it will NEVER happen.

IDC
Boise, ID

Blah, blah, blah. Until there is a playoff, this system is as valid as an ice skating competition with russian judges. Isn't Auburn looking pretty this year?

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

It's not about a national champion, it's about money. Utah, BYU, TCU, BSU, etc. all made moves based on considerations other than a NC.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

UtahBlueDevil, please name one team TCU will face in the Big East that will be tougher than what TCU has faced in the MWC. They will be part of the party just by being in the Big East because that conference is one of the six party hosts. Right now they are the guest none of the hosts want to dance with at this year's party.

Pavalova
Surfers Paradise, AU

The fact that they join the Big East or ACC just means they can schedule the real cupcakes at home, and they play the "other" cupcakes in conference. Syracuse, Uconn, Boston College, Rutgers, West Virginia..please don't give me any nonsense of how tough those schools are and how tough their schedules are.

TCU just became part of the problem. Good for them, they deserve it because they performed on the field, but this doesn't help the playoff discussion at all.

There will always be 1 or 2 non-AQs that will upset the system each year, and all the AQ conferences will do is invite them to their conferences so the wealth can be shared among the rich.

Sounds like a monarchy.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

The caste system in the BCS extends beyond AQ and non-AQ conferences; there are also tier 1 and tier 2 BCS teams and conferences.

It's ironic that Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh is saying he would be in favor of a playoff if Stanford is passed over for a BCS game because of "factors unrelated to on-field performance."

Gotta love the irony.

BigD
Salt Lake City, UT

Those who say they will not get a shot at the NC are jumping to conclusions. A loss by Auburn or Oregon this weekend (won't happen), would shoot them into the NC game as a non-AQ. If you start the season high enough and go undefeated in a BCS conference they can not keep you out. Besides, has it been about NC for Utah, BSU, and TCU? No, it has been about millions of dollars and not hundreds of thousands. They have won already.

RickD
Little Elm, TX

UtahBlueDevil

What are you smoking??? Have you looked at the overall power rankings?

Big East #1 - Conn. 30.2
Big East #2 - West V 36.7
Big East #3 - Pitt 30.0

TCU - 56.3
Utah - 37.7
Air Force - 31.1

Boise ST. - 48.3

TCU is making BCS availablity easier, championship possibilites harder.

Rock Chalk BYU
Lawrence, KS

Harbaugh is a stud. That dude seems to have a pretty strong internal compass. Sadly he's just a little dog barking in the corner. His university president will muzzle him soon enough with some of the BCS hush money.

I've said this earlier, the BCS games are reserved for those who have guaranteed spots (conference champs, maybe a non-AQ that meets the formula), and then Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, etc. etc. As for the BCS championship game, it is reserved for an SEC team and someone else, unless there is a magic combination of 2-loss SEC teams and undefeated non-SEC teams.

No teams have been shown the BCS love more than OU and OSU, in spite of their embarrassing losses. No way OSU doesn't go this year.

Michigan State, Stanford, K-State, Missouri...forget about it.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I think you're being a little unfair here. I think he has a legitimate point. I think he is criticizing the overall schedule more than the conference.

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

As I stated in a post a couple of weeks ago, I find it very hard to understand how Auburn can be ranked for the NC with narrow wins over 8-4 Mississippi State, 17-14; an overtime win to 6-6 Clemson, 27-24; a 3-point win over 6-6 Kentucky; a touchdown win over 10-2 LSU; and a one-point win over 9-3 Alabama. They only played four road games while playing eight at home.

Oregon's schedule is probably just as patsy, but I don't have time to research them, too. I'll check their strength of schedule and post again.

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

Maybe I'll have to eat a little crow, but these are the SOS rankings: #1-Alabama (8-3); #2-Auburn (11-0);
#8-Arkansas (9-2); #9-LSU (9-2); #19-Miss State (7-4); #20-Clemson (5-6); #23-Georgia (5-6); #39-Mississippi (4-7). By comparison Oregon (10-0)is ranked #14.

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

Strength of Schedule FYI: #38 is Boise State (10-1); #42 is Utah (10-2); #43 is Nevada (10-1); Air Force is #68 at (7-4); BYU is #72 at (6-6); San Diego State is #73 at (7-4); TCU is #75 at (11-0); and UNLV is #76 at (2-10).

Interesting how that really doesn't seem to matter; it's what they leave on the field that counts. Maybe money is the important thing!???

Still Blue after all these years
Kaysville, UT

First, to Faifeau Sam: the stupidity of SOS is shown in that it shows Utah at #43 and BYU at #76. No way. BYU played FSU, Nevada, Washington and the MWC schedule. Utah played ND, Pitt, San Jose and the MWC schedule. Even SOS is mightily flawed.

Second, Gordon Gee. He's a university president! what do you expect? University presidents see as far as the $ bill allows them to see and no farther. Probably the most overpaid people in America. He just showed the hypocrisy, ignorance and arrogance of most university presidents.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

The president of a university does not always attend football games or follow sports. It is just the money he is concerned about.

conservative scientist
Lindon, UT

This is an excellent article about the hypocrisy of the BCS.

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