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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 1 2010 10:52 p.m. MST

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skiutah
American Fork, Utah

This is nothing more than legalizing something that is currently illegal and promoting illegal entry into our country. To say that this bill meets the Herbert's guidelines is laughable.

utahenergyideas
Salt Lake City, UT

Comparing Immigration to a movie theater
Do you remember when you had to wait in line to buy tickets to a movie, and then wait in line before going in? That was before you could order them at home, and know then where your seat was and what time to show up to the theater. If you showed up at the theater and the show was full, you could buy a ticket to a later show.

Why do we make immigration more complicated?

You can't let everyone show up for the same show or there would be no place to sit, and you do need some reasonable security and rules.

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people.

utahenergyideas
Salt Lake City, UT

We need to remove and not create any rewards and incentives for immigrants to come here and be here illegally.

Immigrants that are here illegally should not have the ability to become United States Citizens prior to those outside the U.S. applying to come legally.

We do need to treat all, even those breaking our laws, as human beings. There should be incentives for those that are already here illegally to register with the U.S. Government for a short term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business and State. Those short term work visas should not be a step toward citizenship.

Citizenship, if desired and qualified for, must be applied for with the application from their country of origin, (unless qualifying for asylum) and behind those that have been waiting legally there. 

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Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

I especially like the part about having all these immigrants undergo a criminal background check.

I learned something recently that these immigrants commit less crimes than the general population in Utah. With these background checks, that is only going to improve.

It makes all the sense in the world to keep the best and get rid of the rest. Immigration is what build our country and those immigrants who have a clean record will benefit us greatly.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

The senator, tony, and the chamber of commerce are not listening to what the people of utah want. They want jobs and cheap lobor for and from the illegals. The people of utah want jobs of their own, they dont want to pay for the free health care, education, etc. etc. of the illegals. The media is still trying to convince us that is is ok for illegals to come here. its not. People are upset, and we will vote accordingly.

RRB
SLC, UT

The best are those who come here legally. If we count all law breaking including theft of identity, working illegally (felony) etc. none would be allowed.

Some countries would lie to keep their citizens here.

Many Utahns would riot before this happened. We just cut 3 million people off unemployment benefits. We need these jobs.

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

With 10% unemployment, why is any business having trouble filling positions? Is it because they want to pay sub-standard wages? It should be a requirement that employing any foreigner should require a higher wage than that paid for any US citizen. Hiring foreigners should not be a way of just undercutting wages.

This bill should be dead from the start. One can only hope that is the case.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Might I suggest that we are watching a compassion bidding war between the LDS Church and the Catholics. It is particularly intense given Bishop Wester's post as immigration guru for the US Council of Bishops.
We know well what the Mormons teach about the laws of the land. Here's a quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."
There's the REAL unity of the faith. The leaders are pandering.

Adver
Taylorsville, UT

These people need to be deported!

Ray73
Bluffdale, UT

Go ahead and do a background check on the people here. Send them back to their country and make sure they are at higher chances for US citizenship than others. You still can't make a wrong into a right by allowing illegal status to be call undocumented. Illegal will always be illegal...I think they should have a greater chance to come back legally. If they were hard workers here and didn't commit crime, then bring them back legally. I think we should send back the millions of lazy Americans that won't work and exchange them for the hard working people from Mexico. Look at all the young people that won't work and suck off the hard working tax payers. I am not talking about those that make major efforts to work, that can't. Let's do an exchange for the hard and honest workers that will pay taxes and actually take care of their own family. Get rid of the lazy people full of excuses.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

To those who extol the "get in line" approach and purport to welcome immigrants who do it "the right way," do you also advocate streamlining the process to admit qualified immigrants more rapidly (whether for citizenship or temporary visas), or do you want the line to remain as slow and inefficient as it currently is? A system that expedited legal immigration would reduce the incentive to come here illegally, and would better provide the legal immigrant workers that we want and need.

But somehow I think many of the anti-illegal crowd would like to keep the spigot of legal immigration at a trickle, which says something about their real prejudices.

Kitenoa
Salt Lake City, UT

I think it a reasonable and workable approach to the complex issue of illegal immigration. This is a simple yet innovative plan with accountability attached, something that is often missing from more punitive plans.

But again, this Utah plan is at the mercy of the Federal Government for legitimacy.

There is no guarantee! Illegal immigrants will have a fit buying into a state only sanction plan, that the Federal Government can overturn at anytime.

We the People
Sandy, UT

Curmudgeon:
I think your accusation is baseless and needlessly accusatory. I propose a simple plan to strengthen our nation and stop this lawless activity.

1) Severely punish employers who hire illegals.
2) Tighten the borders. Really. Not some feigned effort, but really make passage next to impossible. This goal could be accomplished by fencing, technology, and even military exercises.
3) Make coming here legally much easier.
4) Deport all those we catch who are here illegally.

I believe in legal immigration. I believe most do. Please stop accusing others of being xenophobes without any basis.

Terrie Bittner
Warminster, PA

The proposal requires English proficiency in one year. That is unrealistic. I taught beginning ESL in my ward and most students had 2 years of English in school, but were not proficient. American is different from English and it takes many years to master even a simple conversation.

For the Get in Line people...there is no line if you don't already have family here, aren't rich and don't have a unique job skill.

jbc1
Mount Carmel, UT

The people of Mexico are hurting under an ineffectual government and the drug terrorists. When they come here they bring part of the misery of Mexico with them. They feel it is futile to oppose the evil forces at home. The hard fact is that they should stay home in Mexico and fight for a peaceful and prosperous Mexico. Making Utah a Sanctuary State won't change a thing in Mexico but help perpetuate the suffering there, and bring a great measure of it to America.

Mr. Bean
Schenectady, NY

This is nothing more or less than a poorly disguised effort for amnesty.

The bottom line is, we cannot allow amnesty... of any kind or sort. Those here illegally must either be deported or deport themselves. If they wish to come here to work they must get in line. There are millions, perhaps hundreds of millions around the globe who would like to come here. To allow amnesty would be grossly unfair to those who are willing to follow our laws and procedures for admittance. Allowing amnesty would also encourage more to follow, thus exacerbating the illegal immigration problem. We tried amnesty in 1986 and got the mess we are now in. Let's learn from that and not let it happen again. This Robles bill needs to be rejected. And the Sandstrom bill needs to be adopted.

jmfay
denver, co

This makes no sense and we suspect DOJ or DOL will be filing a lawsuit as a state cant exceed federal law. No chance of a waiver either.

Do you not care about all the legal workers who dont have jobs? and if you have no one looking; we will ask Ritter to send you some of ours. He wont mind as it gets them off our roles and paying out unemployment benefits.

JHP
Salt Lake City, UT

Reality is that Utah doesn't have the means or will to detain and deport everyone who is here illegally.

It sounds like this bill would allow the state to distinguish between those who are here illegally but are living good lives and those who are here illegally and are committing serious crimes. It will help us weed out the chaff. It will also require illegal immigrants to pay taxes if they want to stay here.

So, because we can't get them all out, as some people would prefer, we might as well let the good ones rise to the surface of society and contribute to it. Sounds very reasonable, practical, and wise to me.

jmfay
denver, co

Why cant you be like AZ? driver cards to help them to exist and now a work permit? Illegals dont belong here and your lawmakers are helping them to exist while at the same time denying help to your own citizens. Pie is only so big and if you have money to throw around; come help CO as we have another billion to cut from services here after 4.5 b in cuts in past 2 years. (due in large part to illegals)

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

There are no quick fixes to the situation - just many steps to get to the right one.

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