it's not clear to me why none of my posts are passing moderator review, but
let's try again...re - Dave from Taylorsville | 3:58 p.m"forced immorality"? you imply that homosexuality is immoral, which
is just a religious viewpoint. So what you are saying is that even though these
soldiers are willing to die for your right to religious freedom, you would
impose your religion's views onto them? that is simply unfathonable to me.re - Pete in Texas | 4:52 p.mmen and women have separate
quarters because they have different "plumbing". It's not a matter of
attraction or anything like that. It's because they are physically different.
Gays don't need separate quarters because they are not physically different.you said "they're extremely selfish and immoral to demand bunking
with straight soldiers and not requesting separate quarters for their unnatural
attractions"...I have never heard gays make any
"demands" about living quarters. And they are not unnatural
attractions - you can find the same thing naturally in most species. different?
yes. unnatural? no.and if they were selfish they wouldn't be
willing to die for our country.
Uh-oh!Now watch the gloom and doom comments from our fine, feathered,
friends - the conservatives.
Ranch said it worst...."Why are you so offended by someone
elses attractions? Why do you have a problem?"-RanchThey're
already getting paid to shower/bunk with the same gender they're attracted to.
No one pays me to work/shower/live with the opposite gender whom I'm attracted
to. No. They separate men from women soldiers out of DECENCY and MORALITY. Then,
the gays come in, say "We want to serve alongside all the other male
soldiers even though we're attracted to them. We want to let them know we're gay
and we want them to have to 'deal with it'." Anyone else noticing the
preferential treatment here? If there's any bias's it's not towards the gays. If
anything, they're being pandered to at the expense of all the straight soldiers.
"By the way. Gays Americans are Citizens of this country just
as you are."- RanchYes they are. However, they're extremely
selfish and immoral to demand bunking with straight soldiers and not requesting
separate quarters for their unnatural attractions. Gays care for no one but
themselves. "Deal with it".... kind of like a slap in the
Dave from TaylorsvilleI would agree with you if heterosexuals in the
military were not constantly telling others about their own attractions.They talk about their spouse, they have pictures of their family
displayed, they wear wedding rings and openly admit that they love a person of
the opposite gender.If a gay soldier were to display a picture of
his/her partner, that is grounds for dismissal. We are not treating all of our
soldiers the same. We have put a greater burden upon those patriotic citizens
who are gay and serve in our military.Make DADT cover EVERYONE and I
Sue29 | 11:44 a.m. Nov. 30, 2010 Salt Lake City, UT" I
don't see a problem with people in the armed forces being open with their
sexuality. I don't think it is anyone's business but their own. "This is the problem. Not just having their cake and eating it too. The
contradictions. If it's "their business" then they should keep it
"their business" and nobody else'.And, by the way, the
armed "forces" in the other countries around the world force their
soldiers to tolerate gays along side them. There are harsh strict penalties if
they object. "Forced immorality" at its finest. This isn't a
"black/white" type of an issue. This is, for many, a morality issue.
And an issue of "Just because you say it's so, don't make it so!"
Ranch, you said it best. thanks
I don't care a fig about the color, ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexual
orientation of a person who's willing to die for my freedom.
To Lane, Sue, and everyone who can't see the bigger picture here:46%
of the Marines have it right. The reason we've allowed them to serve together
this long is because the US Armed Forces had more morals than our allies. I
totally support a gay who wants to defend this country. A noble cause. However,
we STILL segregate the men from the women, not just because they're anatomically
different, but because of their natural attractions towards each other. Gays
have UNnatural attractions. They aren't attracted to females. So out of respect
to straight males, we've allowed them to serve but out not allowed them to
announce their gay tendencies. Now we're going to dump on the straight soldiers
and tell them "deal with it"? I wish I was a lawyer because I would
sue the government if they allow this. Gays should have enough respect for their
fellow soldiers to DEMAND separate bunk/shower quarters. They've been granted a
"peep show" for this long with the DADT policy in place. If they take
it away, you'll KNOW who's eyeing you and can't do anything about it. Very sad, indeed.
Anonymous Infinity | 10:05 a.m. Nov. 30, 2010 American Fork, UT What
about Barney Frank?Why do people need to publicly proclaim their
sexual preference or proclivities?==================================First off, heterosexuals
publicly proclaim their sexual preferences and proclivities every single day.They announce their marriages in the papers.They send out wedding
invitations.They wear wedding rings.They hang photos of their spouse
& kids in the offices.They hold hands, kiss, hug in public.Why are you so offended by someone elses attractions? Why do you have a
problem?By the way. Gays Americans are Citizens of this country
just as you are. They deserve every single right and privilege that you have.
Including the right to show their affections to whom they wish as they wish -
without your interference.
Cris,Please answer my questions. You ignored them and started on a
completely different vein.How can all our allies allow gays to serve
freely without segregation and not have problems and yet many Americans feel
that gays must be separated from others IF they admit that they are gay.You do know that they are living with (not separated from) those of
their same gender right this very minute, don't you? Why must we separate them
to make some service people feel better? Aren't these the best, bravest, and
most liberty-loving citizens we have?How does everyone else do it
and we can't? Are we all bigots?
Lane,I have yet to hear a good difference between separating the
women from the men yet not separating the gays from the straight men.I'm ok with gays in the military - IF the straight men aren't forced to live
with them.We don't just say "we're all adults" therefore
its ok for the women to have to live with the men.Let's just
recognize that very difference that makes a gay a gay. For the VERY reason we
don't have men and women living together, let's not make the straights live with
the gays. And Lane, there is a very good chance the gays would want to live
Why should anyone have to hide who they are in our military? As long as they
aren't doing anything illegal, I don't see a problem with people in the armed
forces being open with their sexuality. I don't think it is anyone's business
but their own. We don't tell people of different religious beliefs to hide
themselves away, and pretend to be something they're not. Why should 'straight'
people get more rights and consideration than 'gay' people? They are all
sacrificing for our freedom by serving in the first place. Why should they be
denied this freedom they are fighting for? My thanks to ALL of our troops who
fight for our country!
Cris,How come most of our allies can and do have gays serving openly
without problems? Even our very religious ally, Israel.What is the
problem with our strong, capable, liberty-loving soldiers that they cannot
"deal" with someone who is gay?Have we raised bigots in
this country? Why can most develped countries serve along with their gay
comrades and the great United States is too afraid to?Do you have
40% say bad idea!Even with the 92% figure quoted, this means 8% had
a bad experience with their gay fellow troops.I believe it all comes
down to respect for our straight troops.We all support the reason
that women are not forced to live with the men in the military.The
EXACT SAME reasons apply to the gays and straight men.We don't tell
the women "just deal with it" and make them live/shower with the
men.Why should we not respect our straight troops the same?
What about Barney Frank?Why do people need to publicly proclaim
their sexual preference or proclivities?I don't want to know any of
this, and I'm sure none of the people in the military want to either.This is a total crock in terms of the needs and issues of the military.People with aberant behaviors have no special rights. Where does this