re: TrueBlue | 11:35 p.m. Nov. 30, 2010 "*unlike today, when
there are 35 bowls and every team with a break-even record plays in a
bowl"Like the 2010 war kittens for example?
Classless Ute Fan "tell me any stat that isn't media influenced
that BYU can boast over Utah..."10+ win seasonsBYU 15Utah 6*Bowl Games Played InBYU 28Utah 15 *unlike today, when there are 35 bowls and every team with a break-even record
plays in a bowl, just playing in a bowl used to be a significant
accomplishmentBowl Games Played In prior to the proliferation of
bowls (there were never more than 19 bowls prior to 1990)BYU 14Utah 2
"Too bad you wont know what rooting for a BCS caliber team feels
like."Until the Utes actually play in a BCS bowl as a member of
a BCS conference, they'll be no better than the Dukes and Baylors of the BCS
world.Also rans in a power conference (see Arizona).Too
bad that Utes will never know what rooting for a National Champion feels like.
Or a Heisman Trophy winner. The creme-de-la-creme of major college football.As we all know, Utah's best was only 2nd best...in one
poll.As much as Utah fans would like to pretend that it's more than
it really is, winning a BCS game is not remotely close to winning a national
Classless Ute Fan "tell me any stat that isn't media influenced
that BYU can boast over Utah..."An absolutely silly premise.
Since major college football has no playoff, EVERY meaningful accomplisment is
media influenced... national championships, Heisman trophies, College Football
Hall of Fame, final rankings, etc.Tell me, how do you beat a ranked
team, if the ranking isn't media influenced?Give me one significant
thing Utah accomplished on a national scale prior to 2004.Just like
the first 8 games of this season, a mediocre Utah team piled up a whole bunch of
meaningless wins against even more mediocre teams, including BYU, from 1922 to
1962.Then the Utes and Cougars joined a legitimate conference.Since 1962:Conference ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah
6Top 25 RankingsBYU 17Utah 5 (both polls)Head-to-headBYU 29Utah 20College Football Hall of
FameBYUGifford Nielsen (QB), 1994Marc Wilson (QB),
1996Jim McMahon (QB), 1999Steve Young (QB), 2001LaVell Edwards
(Head Coach), 2004Gordon Hudson (Tight End), 2009Larry Carr (Middle
Linebacker), 2010UtahIke Armstrong (Head Coach), 1957Overall RecordBYU 383-202-4Utah 305-249-4
ute chute, I would love a Utah-tds rematch in the Vegas Bowl. Although it
would never happen-6-6 for bywho, remember? Youre right it would be a guarantee
to not have an empty seat in the house for both teams-versus what is actually
going to happen with a packed Sam Boyd Stadium to watch the Utes, and a barely
half full stadium to see the hapless felines in NM. Uhh, and last time I
checked, Utah really won. A 17-16 final on the scoreboard favoring the Utes
doesnt lie friend. 14 point spread favoring the tds? Ha! You must not know
a lot about this rivalry, so Ill let you in on a little statistic. 12 out of the
last 14 meetings between the Utes and zoobs have been decided by a touchdown or
less, making this rivalry more competitive on the field than any other in
college football for more than a decade. As for the two games that werent close?
You guessed it, the BCS busting years in which the Utes steamrolled the cats.
Too bad you wont know what rooting for a BCS caliber team feels like.
bookonwomen is absolutely right. So when are they delivering your NC trophy?
Las Vegas officials may want a team that has won its way to the game, travels
well and would provide a great matchup for sponsors, fans and TV land...but they
are going to get Utah. The newts limped through the last five games aided by a
lot of luck and travel well if the wheels don't fall off the bus. But, since
their fans still see NC's in their future it should a great matchup.
@SportsFan,Utah has virtually NO HISTORY before the 2000's (in
football).And yet we have beat BYU 20 more games in the series...
how does that play into your supposed Utah has no history? Another
note, tell me any stat that isn't media influenced that BYU can boast over
Utah...Things Utah boasts...More wins, better winning %,
SCOREBOARD, more Conference Championships, Undefeated Seasons,Bowl
Victories, and wins over ranked teams.Well... what non-media
sponsored stat can you provide? NC? nope, that was media voted.awards,
also media voted.4 years in a row of 10+ wins? is that it? well... still
doesn't top all the things that I've listed. So, you are media
darlings. Go be happy that you actually qualified for a bowl and leave here from
the presence of the superior Utes with your tail between your legs because you
will never top the Utes. Thanks for playing.Go Utes!!!
It so good to see Little Brother (A.K.A. BYU fans) on this and every Ute story
showing their obsession and jealousy with the team that beat them again (it is
now a 21 game lead head to head for Utah). What is so funny to me as that you
BYU fans really think you have room to boast given that your team is now not in
any conference , let alone an AQ one, and hasn't done anything in a real bowl
game since 1996 (and even that was a second tier Cotton Bowl). Go ahead; keep
making yourselves look foolish (you do it so well).
If it's Ohio or Temple Utah will win like 56-17/21.
Some predict the MAACO LV Bowl to woo Nevada should they not be able to get
Notre Dame.Just like to Bowl brokers wouldn't want a ND-Utah
rematch, they wouldn't want a Nevada-BYU rematch.So Utah vs Nevada
in the LV Bowl and AFA vs GA Tech in the Independence bowl arelooking like a
distinct possiblities.That would put BYU in the New Mexico bowl vs a
WAC opponent. If the WAC cannot supply someone, it would likely be someone from
the MAC such as Ohio U.Oh, and this U fan is realistic. I don't see
how we'd compete with Boise. Nevada alone, because of their stellar QB, is
enough of a worry. What the Utes do really well at in bowl games is
play teams with supposedly good running backs but a QB that is errant. Nevada
and Boise have good backs, but their QBs are phenomenal. For this reason, a
better match-up for the Utes would be GA Tech.We know what happened
the last times those two teams met in a bowl game...
Daily Observer...Why not push for a BYU -- Utah rematch. Prove your
point forever.Did Utah really win? And Vegas would be a
sell-out...And the Utes worst nightmare.Personally... I
give BYU the 14 point spread....
SportsFan, Youre right the Utes this year were not the undefeated
BCS team of 2008-something your poogers will never accomplish, btw. My point was
that Utah constantly gets disregarded when they play a supposedly superior team
in bowl games. Utah is only two away from tying the all time consecutive bowl
win record. So wouldnt you think by now pundits and haters would stop and think
gee, if Utah is given a couple of weeks to prepare for a team, they are able to
hang with pretty much anyone. Playing Boise would be no different. And I guess its better to have a contemporary football legacy, rather than
living on distant, faded memories while your kitties are steeped in mediocrity
(no BCS games, 6-6 seasons, independence= no friends). Sorry to say that this
will be the trend down south for years to come. Oh, and as an added
but timeless cliché that is sure to get under your skin, Burton is still
blocking!P.S. I have never heard any Ute fans that bring up 1998.
Nice try though.
@Swoop... don't forget 2010, the Utes are ranked and will be when the crush
their bowl opponent. BTW AP/coaches poll rankings are meaningless! What good is
it to be ranked and only get to play in the lowly Vegas bowl? The best team
under Bronco went 11-2. Guess what the Utes this year will go 11-2. 11-2 for BYU
is amazing and they best they can do. 11-2 for Utah is disappointing, because we
know what it is like to go undefeated and play in a BCS game. BYU won't be
getting to the BCS as an independent. So enjoy the New Mexico bowl. It might be
the last time BYU goes bowling for awhile. @JustintimeY... keep
pumping all of your historical stats, living in the past is easier than worrying
about the future. In the past BYU won some awards and a bogus national
championship. In the future BYU will play and lose to Texas, Oregon State, Ole
Miss, Hawaii and Utah. Luckily they will get wins against Idaho, New Mexico
State, San Jose State LA Tech.
It's unlikely but i say bring on the cougs. in vegas. Utah's qb played
AWFUL!!!!!!!! If he plays average we win 31 to 16. and he's capable of playing
GREAT when he's not being woossy and scared. give him a month to figure it out.
I think we'll get AT LEAST a mediocre performance. so utes win by at least
over a touchdown.
theDailyObserverThis isn't the 2008 Utah team that squeaked past TCU
because of two missed FGs and soundly beat BYU; this is the Utah team that got
CRUSHED by TCU and barely squeaked by a rebuilding BYU team starting a true
freshman at QB.Boise State would do to Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl
what TCU did to Utah in RES.The Utes, with Wynn at QB, would be
lucky to stay within 30 points of the Broncos.btw, FOUR of BYU's Top
25 finishes came in the last FOUR years. That's only one less Top 25 finish than
Utah has had in its ENTIRE HISTORY! (both polls)The reason Utah fans
stress so much about stats from the 90's or 80's or 70's is because Utah has
virtually NO HISTORY before the 2000's (in football).Of course if
you bring up basketball, 1998 is like yesterday for the Utes.Funny
how that works.
JustintimeY, Really? Using stats from over 40 years ago-that seems
rather pathetic. But then again, you are a whY fan.For all the
haters that say Boise would crush Utah in LV, it seems like this topic has come
up before...let's see...oh right, like two years ago when everyone said the big,
bad team in crimson from Tuscaloosa would demolish the 'sisters of the poor.' No
need in pointing out the result of that game. I say bring on the Bronco! (And I
don't mean the arrogant, self-righteous little man down south).
re: SportsFan | 11:08 a.m. Nov. 30, 2010 "In fact, a possible
rematch with ND is more than likely the reason the Las Vegas Bowl is waiting
until the opponent is decided before they select the MWC team.The
Las Vegas Bowl doesn't want a rematch of Utah/ND or BYU/Washington."How about this for the MWC? Utah v Oregon St or UW
(whichever is eligible) in the LV Bowl, TCU/Wisconsin in the Rose, Sd St/Navy in
the Poinsettia, AF/Notre Dame in the Armed Forces Bowl, BYU/Tulsa in the NM Bowl
BYU Utah Rematch....Vegas Bowl would have to do something
unprecidented, but to let BYU-Utah finish their unfinished business... would be
the Utes worst nightmare.Send them to the PAC with a good win, or a
good thrashing. Either way, it would be good for the LV Bowl, and the Utes.
1. Natioal title2...Over 1,000 All-Americans-all sports3...1
Heisman Trophy,4...2 Outland trophies5...4 Davey O'Briens6...7
Sammy Baugh's7...1 Doak Walker Award8...7 College Hall of Famers9...2 NFL MVP's10..2 Super Bowl winning QB's (Sorry Alex Smith)11.. A Super Bowl MVPYour resume dosen't look as good now does it?
Only U here are some things you left outAP/Coaches Final Top 20 and Top 25
rankings1964 Utah UR/141977 BYU 20/161979 BYU 13/121980 BYU 12/111981 BYU 13/111983 BYU 7/71984 BYU 1/1
National Champions1985 BYU 16/171989 BYU 22/181990 BYU
22/171991 BYU 23/231994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/81996 BYU 5/52001 BYU 25/242003 Utah 21/212004 Utah 4/52006 BYU 16/152007 BYU 14/152008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/42009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
OnlyUNice try at cherry picking, but here's one stat Utah fans
simply can't explain:During the Ute's best decade EVER, which
included 3 of BYU worst seasons in the last 50 years, BYU still finished in the
Top 25 more than UtahBYU 5 (including 4 in the last four years)Utah 4 (with only 2 in the last four years)
wwookie"byu fans can speak all they want when it comes to 'what
ifs',"Please pot...Isn't that what Utah fans have
been doing for the past 5 years?In fact, didn't a Utah homer for the
DN write a entire article last week on how Utah could have been dominant
"IF"?Harline is still open4th-and-18George is
still runningNo lucky bounces of shanked punts, no tipped passes
that should have been offensive pass interference, no gift fumbles; just
Pavalova:Lets take a look since the turn of the century. Since 2000. Overall RecordUtah 95-40BYU 87-50Wins Vs. each other Utah 6BYU 4Bowl GamesUtah
8BYU 6Bowl winsUtah 8BYU 3Bowl losses
Utah 0BYU 3BCS wins (do you know what this means??)Utah 2BYU 0Outright conference titles Utah 3 BYU
3.500 or worse seasonsBYU 6Utah 2Not to
mention that we just closed out a run over our past 47 games going 41-6......In BYU's last 11 seasons they have had more losing/.500 seasons then
winning seasons...... Nice try on the comparison...the arrogance
kills me. Now talk to me about 1984!!
@RunningU...well, as of today, the only bowl eligble teams from the pac10 are
Oregon, Stanford and Arizona. For all the toughness that appears to
exist on paper in the PacX, the numbers don't lie. No dreaming here, just
looking at the SOS, your position doesn't hold water.UCLA, WSU, Cal
and UW are pretty bad, and then you can and Colorado to the mix, and you are
really struggling to find quality wins. Nevada throttled Cal by 3 touchdowns.
im sorry pavalova but, the only mwc teams that compare to pac teams are: tcu,
utah, san diego, af, and byu. Washington ST is the only pac team that compares
to CSU, UNLV, NM, and wyoming.now heres the catch... Oregon, Arizona, USC,
and Stanford are all better then San Diego, AF, and BYU. if you think otherwise,
then you must be dreaming and need to pinch yourself and wake up...
Not Vegas! Last year we all heard was that the MAACO Bowl was over-rated and
only for losers.
PAVALOVAthere were 4 BYU fan comments before i said anything... so i go
back to me saying, why dont you Y fans worry about your own articles instead of
crying about the loss to the UTES and ranting on UTE articles...
PavalovaI love it when BYU fans (or are they Utah haters) bash the
PAC-10. Jealous much? I think BYU fans are so jealous of the Utes the last few
years they don't know what to do with themselves. Even this year the Cougs can
say all they want about refs this and refs that, but simply put: Utah 17 - BYU
16 (that is a big 'ol W for the U)
byu fans can speak all they want when it comes to 'what ifs', but when it comes
down to it on the field, they can't get it done, and that just eats at that
enormous pride they have, which generally is the only thing they have to support
their self esteem. Lets not take it away from them. Instead let's
join them in their ridiculousness.If Utah were to rematch against
TCU, they would win by 41. If they played Auburn or Oregon in the NC game, they
would score 100 points. If the Utes played Alabama, they would repeat with a
31-17 victory. If they rematched against Pitt, they would win 35-7. blah blah
blah. Talk is cheap and anyone can do it. Winning a game on the
field is what the Utes are really about, so all you detractors, enjoy your talk,
I'll enjoy an 11 win season.
@Only U, so what you're saying is that the very corrupt system that you've
despised the past 5+years (BCS), is now a strange bedfellow with U. Must feel
kind of icky.Please stop with the week-in-week-out competion. You
sound like the loser president of Ohio State. Outside of Oregon and Stanford,
not such a tough bunch of teams if you asked me.Cal...pleaseASU...no wayUW...not without LockerWash State...enuf saidColorado...are you kidding?Oregon State...not anymoreYou
see, when you peel the onion back, the bottom third of the PacX is nothing to
brag about and is really no better than UNLV, WYO and CSU.
ute4ever | 9:14 a.m.What I am suggesting is Utah - BYU in the Vegas
Bowl. I would have BYU by 14 points.What do you think,
there babe?Satisfied with the one point win?I'm looking
forward to your response. Tell me the Utes could beat BYU twice...
Yarrlydarb, You did some research but you failed to note the
obvious: 1) Utah did not lose to Air Force, Pitt, and SDSU, just because
those games were close. In fact, I would argue that Pitt was lucky to be in that
game and thanks to forcing 5 turnovers, AFA should have never even made it a
game late.2) Utah only lost 1 conference game. Since the Utes and
Cougars played in the MWC, they played many of the same teams. Utah went 6-1
against those teams. Add the Cougars (home field in that series doesn't always
spell victory for the home team), and the Utes have 7 wins. So, even if they
lost to all of the non-con teams BYU played, the worst they would have been was
7-5. I echo bookofwomen when I add that no way Utah would have lost
to USU and probably not to Washington. Also recall BYU would have had to play
SDSU on the road. Utah would have had them at home.Bottom Line: Had
they switched schedules, the Utes would have likely been 9-3 and BYU 6-6. Big
RunningUtes"you know, last i checked, this was an article about
the UTEs."you need to check closer"With San
Diego State (8-4) ticketed for its hometown Poinsettia Bowl, MAACO Bowl Las
Vegas is still considering Utah (10-2), Air Force (8-4) and BYU (6-6)."The article is about the possible matchup in the Las Vegas Bowl, which
includes the Utes AND the COUGARS!
Very simply BYU was 1-5 against bowl teams this year. Utah was 4-2. BYU won
one road game against CSU away from home-complete with help from their replay
officials. Utah won 5 road games. Bottom line - Utah made the plays when they
needed to and scored 17 points in the 4th quarter. They obviously have some
holes with a young team - funny Coog fans talk about their youth but Utah has
almost the same amount of seniors that the zoobs have. The future is
bright...recruiting is strong and will only get better. The challenge to win
each week in the PAC12 is huge but of course that desire to play in relevant
games week in and week out is coveted by the Yners. Good to be us...not good to
be you. TCU is in Boise will be next - not you. You can hope all you want
you've always wanted to be included...as of today your still on the outside
looking in -were not! Nice 6-6 season. Blame it on the youth, continue to make
excuses, and be eternal optimists...we'll just keep playing in and winning big
@RunninU...we're just responding to your idiotic rants about BYU. You're the
one that said that BYU couldn't beat Ole Miss, GT, Texas etc. If you were so
high on the U, you wouldn't have to bring BYU into your post.Be
happy for a 10 win season and for having scoreboard on the Y this year. Having
6 scoreless quarters in your last two games against BYU is not bringing much to
the PacX table...but then there's always Colorado to rip on.
you know, last i checked, this was an article about the UTEs. yet, there are
more cougar fans posting here then UTEs... funny how Y fans focus more on the
UTEs then their own team... also, beating oregon st last year doesnt mean you
will next year and beating ND a long time ago doesnt mean you will beat them in
2 years... ND has the same momentum at the end of the year as BYU. Y fans like
to change things around just to make themselves look better, soo prideful
Vegas...I thought you guys hate Vergas. Remember whatever you do there will
stay there because no one really cares anymore!
ute fans have mocked BYU for playing in Vegas for years. Feels pretty sickening
to see their team there now eh? Not only that, but getting a Temple or Ohio
would look even worse, especially since that means their "power"
conference can't even get enough bowl eligible teams. Pretty pathetic. As others mentioned, if the utes don't do better than 4th place, Vegas
could be a new home. What goes around comes around.
To bookonwomenNo, I've not delusional. Take a look at the won/loss
records of the teams Utah played and compared to that of those BYU played; i.e.
strength of schedule. Also look at the polls during the season and compare how
many top 25 or 30 teams BYU played as opposed to Utah. Then look at
how many games in which the point could be made that the Utes "lucked
out" in games they played as opposed to BYU.Finally, look at
the rivalry game and tell me Utah was not outplayed, again lucking out in the
fourth quarter. Utah is extremely fortunate that they came away with a win with
the lousy-kick turnaround and the fumble (which was clearly shown to be a bad
call). In 2008, Utah was arguably the best college team in the land.
But in 2010 they were really at best a 7-5 team and maybe 6-6 when analyzing at
least three and probably four of their wins.Bottom line: Look
forward to the majority the Utes' future bowl games being held about half-way
between where you I reside; i.e. Las Vegas Nevada.
Sorry utes....ND considers you to be a Little Sister of the Poor. No rematch
@ Bronco Loco"I think you Ute fans will be coming back to Vegas
more often than you would like as a 4th or 5th place team in the
PAC-12."Yeesh... then we'd know how byu fans feel...Burton is still unblocked.
wwookie"a possible rematch with ND?"NOT
LIKELY!In fact, a possible rematch with ND is more than likely the
reason the Las Vegas Bowl is waiting until the opponent is decided before they
select the MWC team.The Las Vegas Bowl doesn't want a rematch of
Utah/ND or BYU/Washington.If the Las Vegas Bowl can get Notre Dame,
the most likely MWC representative will be BYU.Bowl games are all
about money. They couldn't care less which teams are most deserving. All they
want are teams that will create the most interesting matchup to draw the most
television viewers, and, teams that will bring the most fans.I do
find it interesting that after years and years of knocking the Las Vegas Bowl,
Utah fans are anxiously hoping for an invite to Las Vegas.A
Utah/Boise State matchup would be interesting. But, be careful what you wish for
Utah fans, a matchup with Boise State would most likely bring Utah's bowl
winning streak to a screaching halt.
@ RunningUtesHasn't BYU already beat Oregon State pretty handily...last
year. We've beaten ND in South Bend ,something you couldn't do. When is
ND coming to SLC again?They are all winable games. BYU's record now, does
not indicate how well they're playing now...we took the U to the last play
Re: yarrlydarb | 10:03 a.m"Have Utah play the schedule BYU
played this year and the Utes, too, would be a 6-6 team."Are
you serious? Utah beat air force and would easily beat Utah St. Utah would beat
washington also. Utah beat pitt and crushed Iowa st, 2 teams that BYU would
struggle to beat. To make a final point Utah just beat BYU. You are
BYU fans are soo prideful... i find it hilarious that you think your 6-6
team will do just fine against ole miss, texas, oregon st, georgia tech, notre
dame, and boise st.why dont you guys try and worry about your own games
coming up and stop worrying about the utes?
I really hate the Utes. Hope they come home crying after they lose the bowl
game, especially Jereme Brooks.
To Ute4everHave Utah play the schedule BYU played this year and the
Utes, too, would be a 6-6 team.As for the LV Bowl, the Utes will
find over the coming years that it just might provide their most frequent
holiday vacation trip. That is, when they actually get the chance for a bowl
appearance.Utah has been in two BCS bowls during the past decade. By
going to the PAC, they wanted to improve their chance for a BCS bowl. They'll
find, I'm sorry to say, that getting there with a 12-0 season in the MWC
provided them a much better chance for that. The past decade provides clear
evidence to prove my point.Don't hold your breath in hopes of seeing
the Utes in a BCS bowl, even as members of the PAC-12. On the other hand, they
do have a respectable chance to replace Cougars as the most frequent LV Bowl
re: ute-chuteWhat do you mean "finish their unfinished
business"?? Didn't they finish on Saturday with Brandon Burton laying on
the turf soaking in the last second block of Payne's field goal....in my mind
that DID finish the business they had. I'm sure BYU fans don't feel that
anything is finished, but that is how they have felt 6 times this season
(Florida St., Nevada, Air Force, TCU, Utah State, Utah)....so keep wishing!
I'm hoping for BSU. If the Vegas bowl could pull that off, national and
regional interest would be very good.
Just keep playing Jordan Wynn. He knows his stats against 6 win BYU.1st half: 8-18, 113 yards, 0 TD, 0INT2nd half: 5-12, 86 yards,
1TD, 1INTVegas Bowl would have to do something unprecidented, but to
let BYU-Utah finish their unfinished business... would be the Utes worst
nightmare.Send them to the PAC with a good win, or a good thrashing.
Either way, it would be good for the LV Bowl, and the Utes.
@ sledheadWhy not a rematch. Florida and Florida St did it back in
96 when BYU should have gone there for NC but end up at Cotton Bowl. Bring it
on. And many more to come for utah at LV Bowl.
BYU / Utah Rematch on a nuetral field. AWSOME!! The way things are looking, that
would be the best match up they could get.
If it is Ohio or Temple (as espn is predicting) I would rather not go. No
offense to those teams, but would fans really be excited to watch?
Go utes! a possible rematch with ND? With three weeks to prepare,
the Utes will be ready to dominate whoever they face.
I think you Ute fans will be coming back to Vegas more often than you would like
as a 4th or 5th place team in the PAC-12.
Ohhhhhhhh... I hope it is for a basketball game.
Go Utes... extend the bowl win streak to 1099 Vegas - Fresno01 Vegas
- USC03 Liberty - So Miss04 Fiesta - Pitt05 Emerald - Ga
Tech06 Armed Forces - Tulsa07 Poinsettia - Navy08 Sugar -
Alabama09 Poinsettia - Cal