Here´s an idea. Since each year is a different team, an arbitrary point in
time is rather silly, so I agree with some of the cougar fans on that point. How about a non-arbitrary point in time, which would be the beginning of
the rivalry. All of sudden, cougar fans don´t like that because Utah has
dominated from the beginning with the upstart cougars having some luck getting
Lavell as their coach and ending the Utah dismantling of BYU year-in and
year-out. That only started in the late 70s. So yeah, the Utes just
returned to their normal status as the favorites to beat BYU every year. It will
be another 20 years before BYU can put together a string of teams capable of
consistently beating the generally superior utes.
This is a strange article. I mean, it can go either way. You pick an arbitrary
time point, change some close losses to wins for the team you want, and look at
the "what if" domination!Example: From 1972 till now, Utah
has 8 victories over BYU by a touchdown or less. So change eight plays in favor
of BYU - one in each game - and suddenly the Cougars have domination: 34 wins,
only 4 losses. And that, my friends, is how magic happens!
One thing for sure -- all the pressure is on Utah to win this game. If BYU pulls
off the upset, this one will sting more than any of those other "We almost
won :-( " losses. Stay loose Cougars.
I'm getting this concept now.If the Utes would have had more points
that USU last night, the Utes would have won.If the Utes would have
won a National Championship, they would have a banner.If Majerus
could have beat Kentucky, the Utes would have won the NCAA tournament.If the Jazz go undefeated every season through the playoff, they will win
every NBA title.And, if the Utes had never lost a football game,
they would have won every NC.===Quick question. Is this a news
article, or a "what if" paper?What if we lost the
Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWII?What if Gore was President,
not Bush?There's a story.See, I assert, and I may be
wrong, but history is based upon facts, and not "what ifs".====However,Facts are such that Utes don't like them,
so a "what if" story is written.I think it's sweet, and
have no problem with it. My daughter used to always ask me "What if,
daddy" questions when she was two.Sorensen and the Utah fans
remind me of that time.I think it's cute.What if daddy
gets you some milk?
SMS Ummmm... "If you can't take an article directed to
Ute fans telling them that's how close Utah has been to beating BYU over the
past several meetings then here's some advice ... don't read it and whine about
it."It's about Utah and BYU.It's in the local
paper. If you don't like my comment... "then here's some advice ... don't
read it and whine about it."Jeez, if every team mad an extra
play at the right spot, there would be alot more teams undefeated every year.So what again is the point of the story?Oh yeah, ifs and
buts.===MarneWow, hit a nerve to get that little
rant out of you?Insecurities raging high this week? Facts get in the way
of your self-deluded-arrogance?Facts. Not Myths.===It's a silly story based on a silly premise.How many
Superbowls, Prize Fights, NBA Playoffs, College Tournaments, Golf Tournaments,
etc have come down to one punch, one shot, one hit, one ball between the
legs?Thats sports kids.Need I go on?That's
why we count "W"s and "L"s.Not candy and nuts...
I stand corrected on the BigEast, but it is 4-0, not 8-0. My point is that
neither BYU or Utah have been that relevant outside of 2004 and 2008 for Utah
or since 1996 in BYU's case. Any one can win one game - it is very
different when you have to play a whole season of better teams. We will find
that out next year (I went to Utah) in the pac10. The BigEast is a joke, but
the bottom half of the MWC is abysmal.
This writer obviously failed his journalist classes that clearly teach being
impartial and giving the whole story. 34-31 sound familiar? Vast majority of
those Ute wins were by 1 big or blow play by one of those teams also. You could
just have easily said BYU could totally dominate this series with one more play
over all those past games! Truth is BYU dominated this series for
the entire 80s and 90s and Utah's pitiful season was a success just to keep the
game from being a total blow out. Since then it has gone back and forth like a
true rivalry should. Look forward to Saturday, yet again it could be anybody's
Did anybody mark anything down?Someone call Chris B, we need a mark
Actually, the two years the Utes went undefeated and to the BCS bowls, they beat
the Cougs quite comfortably...
No so Randy01, Utah is 8-0 against Big East (an AQ conference). Also in the
last 30 plus years Utah is 1-0 against the SEC (via a major beat down of
Alabama). Whats your point?
Veritas Aequitas, give me a break. All you little jealous coug fans have to air
your insecurities by ridiculing the Utes on stories that are not about your
team; pathetic. Enjoy your mid major independent irrelevance. Regarding your
mythical NC that you boast of, you got a gift that year by being the last team
standing before the BCS was implemented. If it were the same rules Utah would
have won it in 2008. Utah has five undefeated seasons, your little team has one
and got lucky (they didn't play a team that was even ranked at the end of the
season). Also, why does Utah have a 20 more wins head to head against your
supposed great school? Regarding "Anyone catch the score of the USU
basketball game yesterday?" maybe when your team actually does something in
the post season again (Danny Ainge is Grandpa) your weak attempt at smack will
carry some weight. BTW Utah has an NCAA B-Ball championship and a 1998 finals
appearance and many many sweet sixteen and final eight appearances (how about
the Y). Enjoy the West Coast Conference where you can beat up on Bo Diddly
@CordonBleu and @VeritasObviously you're missing the point I am
trying to make, so I'll repeat myself. This article is making the point that the
six losses for Utah in the last 13 years have been very close and Utah could be
13-0 over the past 13 meetings--that's just how close the games have been. Listen, last I checked Sorensen and Facer cover the Utes and Harmon and
Call cover the Cougars. If you can't take an article directed to Ute fans
telling them that's how close Utah has been to beating BYU over the past several
meetings then here's some advice ... don't read it and whine about it. If you want an article by Dick Harmon or Jeff Call saying that BYU could be
11-2 over the past 13 years why don't you write them a letter and bring it up to
them. So let me get this right, Utah fans are the
Veritas:Unfortunately Uteology's BYU's stats are correct. I know it
is tough for everyone, but here is the bigger picture if you include the old
southwest conference:1. Both programs have winning percentages
against only one of the AQ conferences since 1920. BYU has a .667 record
against the the old SWC, with most wins coming in the few years before the
conference disintegrated. Utah's comes against the ACC, but only one team they
beat finished with a winning record.2. Utah had two outstanding teams in
2004 and 2008. Those years represent their national legacy.3. BYU's best
team was probably the 1996 edition. Their signature came in 1990, 20 years ago.
4. Both have benefitted from weak competition. If Vanderbilt's teams
had the same benefit, they would likely have done as well. The pollsters don't
see all of the games, the look at records. Utah proved this during this
season.5. The picture only improves slightly if you include BSU. Their
last two games against SEC opponents were blow-outs.6. It will be harder
in the pac12 next year.Enjoy the game, but don't over-inflate your
Sorensen, Uteology, SMS..."If ifs and buts were candy and nuts,
wed all have a merry Christmas was a proverb of Don Meredith, former SMU and
Dallas Cowboys quarterback and Monday Night Football announcer. The proverb (in
other forms) is older."So take your candy and nuts to the
PAC...And remember...If you marry a monkey for his
wealth, the money goes, and the monkey remains as is. Egyptian Proverb===As for me, I will continue to watch the jealous Utes wish their
way to a National Championship, Heisman, Doak Walker, Davey O'Briens, Sammy
Baughs, Outland Trophies... etc.If all you can hang from your
stadium is that you have been to two bowl games, really, how good is that?And, how many "big plays" did Utah need in 2008, Oh, Utes will
count those, because the Utes are good.Tell me, how does DC turned
HC Kyle let Harline, 4th and 18, and all the rest of those big plays happen?It was poor coaching, and poor coaching earns you the "L".Stop whining, and do it on the field.Unhappy? Get a new
coach.===Anyone catch the score of the USU basketball game
SMSThe only insecurities I see are Utah fans whining about what
could have been "IF". Utah, despite their two BCS seasons,
has NEVER been dominant in football.The article only presented one
side of the argument; BYU fans are simply stating the contrasting point of view
that the Utes are only a few plays away from losing 12 of the last 14 games to
BYU.Utah fans constantly display their insecurities, by not being
able to accept losing, and then using predictions of future success as a crutch
to prop themselves back up.
@Snack PAC and uteBustersYour insecurities are definitely showing.
The DesNews has an article that's not in your team's favor and so you have to
start whining about it. All the article is saying is that Utah is a few plays
away from winning 13 straight--and any objectional person can see that. BYU
cannot say the same thing as Utah has beat them soundly in 2 of the last 13
games.@FrankieAre you familiar with the word hypocrite? You
may want to look it up in the dictionary. I don't think your comment shows any
class and because you are only calling out the Ute fans comments on this board I
can tell that you are showing lots of class as an alleged Cougar fan/Ute
hater.Utah will make this the 3rd game of the last 14 which the Utes
beat the Cougars more than a TD, Utah wins 34-21.
I thought that good teams, the teams with character, are supposed to win the
close games. Besides, I can guarantee you I will never forget Beck to Harline,
4th and 18, LaVell's last game at RES and by George, he's still running!
Revisionists!Utah fans seem to spend a lot of time trying to rewrite
history every time they lose.It doesn't really matter who was
favored or if it's on the last play of the game or on the opening kickoff,a loss is still a loss.Get over it!
I think we need to go back and look at who was favored in these close games.
Isn't it funny the team that is supposed to win thumps his chest like he did
something real special. That is what you are supposed to do if you are favored
to win. Look at the games Utah lost. They haven't been favored in many but
somehow make a game of it. Keep flipping the stats to make your team relevant.
It can go both ways. Good Luck Saturday to both teams!!!!
"Problem is Utah kept looking past the last cupcake of the season.
Won´t happen this year."lol, wwookieWhen has
Utah EVER looked past BYU?Blowout wins are fun, but, how does it
feel to have your heart ripped out by a "cupcake" three of the last
four years?The next time Utah wins 10 conference championships in a
row; wins a national championship, or a Heisman Trophy, or wins any sort of
national individual award, call us,we'll throw a parade.(And, not some impromptu thing, either, of a couple dozen fans showing up at
the airport in the wee hours of the morning.)
Sorenson totally failed to mention BYU has soundly beat the Yewtes 3 out of the
last 4 years! And this year the pendulum/momentum has swung to the Coug boys
and we will get another win this year! (although it will be another close game)
I know the Yewtes hate to hear it but the COugs, have "WORKED
HARDER/SMARTER" the 2nd half of this season and it will show in Saturday's
game! Heaps has got his mojo going to say the least!
I have to laugh at the homer comment! The trouble that U haters will have is
that the article speaks the truth...BUT they can't handle the TRUTH! They would
prefer their blue fantasy of being a real National Champion and football
Problem is Utah kept looking past the last cupcake of the season. Won´t
happen this year.When was the last time BYU beat Utah by more than 1
Nice dodge, Uteology, but you still didn't answer the salient question:Where is this mythical dominance the Utes talk about?ONE MWC
championship since TCU entered the MWC.BYU has two.TCU
has two, going on three.TWO Top 25 finishes since TCU entered the
MWC.BYU has four.TCU has four, going on five.Bronco has won three of the last four, and three of five overall head-to-head
versus Kyle.Gary Patterson is 3-3 versus Kyle, but the Frogs have
destroyed the Utes that last two years.Which is better, to beat a
ranked team, or to be a ranked team?When was the last time Utah
finished with four straight 10-win seasons?You see, Uteology, even
during the best stretch of football in Utah history, BYU is still outperforming
Utah in many key accomplishments.
Looks like we got three classy ute fans on here.
@uteBusters Keep clicking your high heels and repeating "BCS is just
around the corner" and one day it might just happen.@Snack PAC
BYU dominated the WAC, not the MWC.Utah and BYU have 4
MWC championships.Utah has the chance to match BYU with 5 AP
rankings in the MWC. The difference is Utah's average ranking is
around 11, while BYU is around 18. Plus, Utah has gone undefeated twice with 2
top 5 finishes.In the MWC, BYU is 2-22 against final ranked teams,
while the flavor of the month beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 alone (two in the top
7). BYU has never beat a top 10 team in the MWC.Collie was right
magic does happen for BYU, how else can you explain 3 of 4 besides miss coverage
and tackles by Utah's secondary.
It' BCS "BERTH" UteMan.The Utes, btw, are about a million
plays away from winning a national championship.Dominant teams win
conference championshipsDominant teams finish in the Top 25Dominant teams beat good teams on the roadUtah hasn't ever done
any of those consistently.So where is this mystical
"dominance" Utah fans talk about. It certainly doesn't apply in any
way, shape or form to Utah.The Utes, for all their talk, are little
more than the flavor of the month; as quickly forgotten as a teenage crush.See 47-7 to see how quickly that can happen.
@Utebusters...I think the cougars are about 100 plays away from a BCS birth. Perhaps the WAC-Lite schedule next year will help.
I always like to see BYU fans like uteBusters who choose a screen name that
focuses on the team they cheer for and not the... oh wait.
I see the Ute homers at the DN are coming out of the woodwork.Utah
may be a few plays from domination, but the Utes are also only a few plays away
from never playing in a BCS game and losing 12 of the last 14 games to BYU.5 of Utah's 7 wins over BYU since 1995 have been by a touchdown or
less.Anytime you win by a TD or less, ONE PLAY, can change the
outcome of the game.It's a two-way street Sorensen. We can all play
the "what if" game.