Hmmm, sounds almost like a confession to me. "We just don't want to risk
being beaten up by little sisters, or anyone else for that matter, it doesn't
look good for the money, so if we just don't play with them....in fact, why even
risk going on the playground at all, someone could get hurt out there...."
SportsfanReally? All conference games at home in the SEC? They are
50/50 like any other conference. My example school got 4 away games including
Auburn, South Carolina, and Mississippi State. Not exactly cream puffs. They
also got Texas A&M in Dallas. These teams happen to be a combined 34-11,
all are ranked, and Arkansas went 4-1 against them, because they are good, not
because of location.As for the 3 smaller schools playing Arkansas at
home they were provided a much bigger payday than if Arkansas traveled to their
site. Utep is arguably as good as BYU this year. BYU gets favored treatment
from the media because of their Mormon affiliation and dispersed fan base. ESPn
is backing them because they travel well and get consistent ratings. This
treatment extends to the polls, where they tend to look at records, not quality
Look up Gordon Gee in Wikipedia and read the entry carefully. Way too much to
summarize here.Assuming that the information there is correct, Mr.
Gee appears to leave a trail of arrogance and elitism wherever he goes. That
said, his inappropriate remarks here seem to be consistent with his past. Of course he likes the current BCS system. He needs to promote the
university which pays him an enormous salary or he would be out of a fine job.
Ohio State plays eight home games and four home games, and the non-conference
games are against cream puffs as are half the conference games. How would you
NOT run up a bunch of wins with that schedule and a bigger budget than some
conferences?SEC teams are exactly the same, no matter what anyone
says. All or nearly all their out of conference games are at home. All but
maybe one against cream puffs. Of COURSE they will have good w/l records.
Gee should initiate, with all of his BCS power, to set up two matches before the
BCS Championship game. Have one game between Boise State and Oregon. Let the next game be between TCU and Auburn.Let the winner of the
two games play for the National Chammpionship.If TCU and Boise State
each lose their games, than Gee is correct and we should agree with him.On the other hand, if TCU and/or when their games, then Gee should be
man enough to admit he was wrong, or just keep his mouth shut.The
two games (a new play off system starting this season) should bring in hundreds
of millions of dollars in game ticket sales and TV revenue.
To put this in perspective,let's compare BSU, TCU, and Arkansas. If all three
teams win this weekend, the following happens: Nevada falls out of the top 25,
BSU passes TCU, and Arkansas moves to 10. If Souh Carolina and Texas A&M
win, Arkansas has played three times as many currently ranked top 25 teams as
BSU and TCU combined and won twice as many as the other two combined.Granted, Arkansas also played a couple "little sisters" too, but you
couldn't rule them out in games against BSU and TCU, they would likely at least
split in a series. They have played and dominated both historically. Here is
the problem: you will never know. I personally hope BSU or TCU make the
championship game. The BCS system is not just unfair to the non-AQ teams. It
is unfair to everyone and it is time that is recognized by everyone.The Big10 had benefited from this inequity more than any other conference.
Non BCS schools in BCS bowls 4-2. TCU's BCS loss was against BSU. Hawaii is
the only non BCS school with a legitimate loss. Enough said.
Gee doesn't have a clue! His vision is so short and lopsided he wouldn't know
which way is up! BSU and Utah have been very very good and BSU has dominated
some big schools in the bowls.I would put BSU up against Ohio State and others
and they (BSU)would stomp a mud hole in them!
"Some Very Fine Teams"Minnesota - Monsters of the Mid West
- 2-9Indiana - Giant killers of the Big 10 - 4-7Purdue - Purdon't -
4-7Eastern Michigan - Are you kidding me? - 2-9Illinois - Having on
of their better years - 6-5Marshall - Pride of the MAC - 4-7Gee once spoke at my graduation up at USU. He was boring but I thought he was
pretty smart. I may have over-rated him the same way Ohio State is over-rated
Mr Marksen must be a lawyer, since all three of his posts have wondered why a
lawsuit hasn't been filed. Well, maybe a lawsuit isn't the right means to fix
an obviously broken system. One of the problems we have with healthcare,
insurance and a host of other issues in the country is lawyers have gotten
involved. They get the big paydays and everyone else goes home wondering what
hit them, except maybe higher insurance premiums, but I digress.......The answer to this is clear....STRAP IT ON, LACE 'EM UP! Play the game. BSU
is a legitimate contender, and the is why the SEC hasn't wanted to play them,
for fear of getting beat and losing out of that big BCS windfall. If they
weren't winning by upteen points every week, then a case could be made for not
having them in a picture. But they are winning, so invite them to the party and
stand back. Let the issue be settled on the field, then let's have this
conversation when facts are available and not just the whims of a few.
OSU's football budget is five times the size of Boise State's. That's right,
five times!! If I were President Gee I would ask why the Buckeye's accept such
a feeble return on it's football investment. Allow The Broncos a slice of that
BSC $ pie and let's see what they would do with it. Heck, I'd bet the Broncos
would beat OSU outright now on a neutral field, and I don't think it would be
close. OSU's performances in BSC bowls have, in several instances, been
One way to compare the relative strengths of college football teams when they
don't play one another is to compare how many players each program sends to the
pros. At the beginning of the season, The Ohio State University had 46 former
players on NFL rosters, Utah had 24, and BSU had a whopping 13. TCU had 19. LSU
led all schools with 58, USC had 53, and Texas had 50.
Oh, how quickly you forget.Boise played AND beat Oklahoma ANDplayed AND beat TCU. Period!BSU can run and BEAT the big
boys given the chance.
Gee sounds like the Oregon coach who, after getting pummeled 38-8 by BYU, still
claimed that BYU wasn't a PAC 10 calibre team.The arrogance of these
clowns who run the BCS (and Gee, as a BCS conference school president is one of
them), is baffling.Urban Meyer, when he was coaching at the U,
thought Utah 2004 was one of the best teams in the country and worthy of playing
for the national championship, even ahead of undefeated Auburn.Then,
he moved to Florida, and suddenly an undefeated Utah 2008 wasn't worthy of being
invited to the BCS championship game ahead of a one-loss Florida team.It'll be interesting to see how quickly Chris Hill and Kyle Whittingham adopt
the BCS party line as soon as they're on the other side of the BCS fence.Greed and hypocrisy know no bounds when it comes to the BCS.
I never said I liked the BCS but I will not tear it down until non AQ schools
find the moral and intestinal fortitude to file a lawsuit and bring it down.
Schools have to decide of they are going to stand on their principles and risk a
massive legal bill or let the fans do the dirty work they are afraid to do. I
hear all the vitriol over the BCS yet the fans keep buying the products and
watching the games. This seems hypocritical to me. Div IA College football is
not Hoosiers. No school is obligated to schedule a school outside of conference
play that they do not want to. I personally am a Florida Gator fan but I do have
season tickets to BYU and Utah. I like major college football and between the
two schools, I am going to get my fill. That being said TCU and BSU do not play
a tough enough schedule. Oh well, that is life and it is not always fair. If the
system is this corrupt then there is a federal court close at hand that will be
happy to take the lawsuit.
This guy needs to put his football team where is mouth is. Play TCU or BSU then
mouth off, if you win. I can hear the Chicken clucking from here.
Utah and BYU should be embarrased they have connections with Gee.Gee
graduated from the U, and then was a professor and associate Dean at BYU.I bet both schools now don't have too kind of feelings toward this guy.
Andrew J. Marksen"When the BCS first started there was
unanimous support from all 120 schools."Do you have source for
that, or did you just pull that out of your back pocket?The ONLY
reason non-AQ teams have ever agreed to anything regarding the BCS was at the
point of a gun, of being left out of any chance of playing in a BCS game, or
taking what few table scraps the BCS monopoly was forced to offer to avoid a
lawsuit or a congressional investigation.The BCS will eventually
fail because of its own arrogance. Just like the tobacco companies once thought
they were invincible because they kept telling the same lies over and over and
nobody had the legal resources to prove them wrong in a court of law, the BCS
bigshots think the BCS is invincible and that by telling the same lies over and
over nobody will ever be able to prove them wrong, and end this sham.
Gordon Gee, we are both Mormons but I am beginning to say in my daily prayers
that I thank Father in Heaven Himself YOU don't speak for the Church. You need
to quit telling everyone you're LDS because you're nothing like members of the
Church should be. The Christ I worship is a God of JUSTICE, equity and fairness,
none of that exists in the BCS, so as a member of the Church who needs to repent
himself, I invite you to repent and quit jacking up I-A college football. I am a
Utahn but I DON'T CARE ABOUT BYU AND UTAH. It's meaningless! I will be enjoying
the I-AA playoffs though. Coastal Carolina and Western Illinois, Northern Iowa
and Lehigh, all great matchups. Shut up Gee, your Buckeyes can get back to
choking in sports where there are playoffs. Imagine what Texas Christian and
Boise could do with your budget.
Utah fans will be parroting the same thing next year that only teams in BCS
conferences deserve to be included in the BCS championship game.The
BCS is a sham and the last vestige of BCS conference superiority over non-AQ
conferences is the national championship game.Gee knows that as soon
as a non-AQ team like TCU or Boise State plays in and wins the national
championship, the BCS sham will be completely exposed as nothing but a money
grab that has nothing to do with deciding which teams are "most
deserving."Utah won't be any more deserving of playing in a BCS
championship game as a PAC 12 member, than the Utes would have been as a MWC
member.It's sad that the Utes are quickly becoming the biggest
hypocrits on the planet regarding the BCS.
I hope Utah fans, just because they're part of a BCS conference now (or soon),
will continue to fight for the demise of the BCS--now that they're "on the
inside," they should have a voice that more people will listen to, and they
should use that voice again and again until we have a playoff system.
Uh, did Gee look at the big boy's conferences' strength of schedules this year
(or the past few years)?Chortle.For those of you who
complain about these two teams schedules, do you really think the elite programs
want to play them?????
This is why Ohio State loads up their schedule with cupcakes and not TCU, Boise
State or the U of U.
President Gee's statements may have very well opened himself, his University,
and the BCS for anti-trust monopoly lawsuit litigation.As long as he
refuses equal opportunity to share economic benefits with fellow NCAA member
institutions, he invites a costly defense of his position.Certainly,
it is ONLY about the money, and not the student athletes, nor about determining
a National Champion on the field, which is what superficially the BCS portends.
The SEC and Big 10 are not obligated to play the MWC or WAC. When the BCS first
started there was unanimous support from all 120 schools. Now there is outrage
because the system is perceived as unfair. If the system is unfair, file a
lawsuit and stand on principle. I do not like the current system but I will not
tear it down until I see the non-AQ's fight for it. The non-AQ presidents and
AD's want the fans to fight for them while they try to eat their cake and play
politics. What is wrong with this picture? I support the right of Mr. Gee to
voice his opinion. I support the freedom of the SEC and Big 10 to schedule whom
ever they wish. I happen to agree that TCU and BSU are not worthy of a title
game invitation. I do not care what each team did 2 years ago or last year, it
is about now. A one-loss SEC plays a tougher schedule than BSU or TCU as does a
one-loss Big 10 team. That is life in big time college football.
Then Mr. Gee, put your money where your mouth is and play them. You won't
because your afraid to lose and it will make your comments idiotic.
To Andrew J. Marksen:The PAC-10 and even the Big 12 does things that
the SEC and Big 10 won't do. They will actually venture out of their comfort
zone. UCLA has played both BYU and Utah on the road. So has Oregon, Oregon
State, Washington and Cal (went to Nevada). Even Texas went to Wyoming--yes
played Wyoming in Laramie. So don't tell me that the big time teams WON'T play
the little guys. They will. Notre Dame (the only school with a TV contract
with a major network) came to BYU and used to go to Air Force. They play Army
and Navy in road contests. It's only the SEC and Big 10 that are afraid to
venture out of their comfort zone. And quite frankly I don't see Texas, UCLA,
Oregon or Notre Dame going broke any time soon just because they play Boise
State or Utah or even Wyoming in stadiums that sit 50,000 or much less. It is
what the other people are talking about up there. Courage. Either step up Ohio
State, or shut up!
The "outrage" expressed here is admirable but until a non-AQ school
finds the intestinal fortitude and courage to actually file a lawsuit against
the BCS quit complaining. As for scheduling why should USC or Alabama schedule
BSU or TCU? They have nothing to gain by doing it. It is not fear of losing it
is financial. BSU has no recruiting base or population base. They have a small
stadium in a geographically non-existent place in relation to college football.
Why go there? What would the top AQ schools gain? TCU is an after thought in
Texas with a 40,000-seat stadium they do not fill. It makes no sense to go there
when you can go to UT or Texas A&M and get the same geographical exposure in
bigger venues. The "people" can scream unfairness but the scream is
voiceless until people stop watching and buying the BCS product and some non-AQ
school acts on its principles and does something about it. Life is not
"Hoosiers" and it is not fair. The good guy does not always win. What
do we call that? Life...
Boise State and TCU would put Ohio State's "football team" in the
hospital. He talks big, but can he bring it? Bring it Slowhio State!
Pre$isent Gee i$ correct in his per$pective. The BC$ $y$tem i$ ju$t fine for
tho$e receiving check$.
The idea above about realigning based on performance sounds like what they do in
European professional soccer and isn't a half bad idea. But it likely won't
happen. But a 16-team playoff where all FBS conferences are guaranteed an
invite (like what they do in NCAA basketball) is doable if there is a will to do
it (or a Congressional Act forcing it!).As for Boise State, I have
to say this. It's time to pull up the blue rug. It was a nice gimmick when you
were an up and coming program trying to get media attention. I thought it was
actually a clever idea though not much to look at.Your program has
arrived. I think it is now hurting you because people like this Gee character
or talking heads at ESPN with too much power and influence just don't take your
program serious enough.There was a time and a season for the blue
rug but now that season has past.Time to go green.
Put your money where your mouth is OSU. Play TCU, Utah, BSU, Air Force &
BYU. Prove that these teams aren't up to par. If what you say is true, then why
won't you scehdule against these teams? It is easy to speculate if you never
Gee doesn't know the X's and O's of college football-- but of course he has an
opinion about something he doesn't know. What a surprise. What a pompous,
conceited buffoon. We don't care what he thinks! Because he is highly-learned,
he thinks we should all listen to him speak- full of ego and pride. Why did we
even print this article? All 4 undefeated teams deserve a chance at the
championship! TCU has never played a McNeese State or Chattanooga, lover
division team like the top 3 in the SEC. Why is this article in here... who is
the sports editor, here? Cmon, get with the rest of the fans in the country!
Bad decision to publish this article. Deseret News needs a new Sports editor -
like someone that is in tune with ... SPORTS!
I think we all can agree.... BCS title game.... Random SEC team 49
The Ohio St 10
Does anyone else find it funny that he completely contradicted himself in this
article? First he says that the bowl system works very well, and that he'd take
the BCS over a playoff, and then goes on to say how it's a "mixed-up
mystery". So, he'd prefer a system that has little to no logic
over one that is used in every other sport in the world to immense success?For anyone interested, I'd highly recommend reading "D eath to the
BCS". It's a great read and definitely exposes the BCS for the fraud that
it is, and Gee is an integral part of the charade.
Gee, what a shock that he has this opinion of the BCS that lines his pockets so
nicely, then he throws in some ridiculous comment about how the students benefit
form the BCS, ahhaha aha wow what an ignoramus.
These people in the "tougher" conferences have no room to talk about
playing a tougher schedule until they are willing to schedule and play games at
these other "lesser" conference teams' stadiums. It's time to stop
talking and start proving it on the field, boys.
Gee is correct BSU and TCU do not deserve a BCS title game berth. Life is not
"Hoosiers" nor is life fair, conference affiliations and scheduling
matters. Gee has merely pointed out that the BCS is legitimate as is and does
not need BSU or TCU's inclusion to make it so. If we rely on past glories to
legitimize the claim of worthiness as some here are doing then Alabama and
Florida would play for the national title every year. The crying and whining
about the BCS hardly seems genuine since not one university has filed a lawsuit
in federal court challenging its legality. Given the apparent cowardice of
non-AQ schools to defend their claim of injustice why should anything change? I
would like to see BSU and TCU play an SEC or PAC 10 schedule. Many claim they
could but I doubt it. A one loss SEC school has far more claim to a national
title game than anyone from the MWC, WAC, Big East, or ACC. Why? Play LSU,
Florida, Georgia, and Alabama every year and you have earned it, not been gifted
it. Is it fair? No. Thats life.
Picture this... New Years Day 2011. The Pac 10 Champ, Oregon is out
of the Rose Bowl... They are required to take the highest ranked available team.
At this moment, that is TCU but next week it could be Boise St. Either one
will grind the Little 10 Champ into the ground. It will not prove either should
be in the Championship Game, but it will expose Mr Gee's team and conference as
Every university president is going to spin the debate to what best fits their
own school.However, going 11-0 against a strength of schedule rated
by Sagarin as 68.31 as TCU has done is a harder feat than going 10-1 against a
strength of schedule rated by Sagarin as 68.92 as Ohio State has done.It is pure arrogance to claim that Ohio State's schedule is so much more
difficult compared to TCU's to justify the weaker record against a very
comparable strength of schedule. The Big 10 is not the SEC when it
comes to strength of schedule, which is why the SEC will almost always have a
representative in the national championship game.That said, the BCS
has a mathematical process that takes the opinions of many coaches and sports
writers and results of 6 computers to determine who plays in the national
championship game. And right now, both TCU and Boise State are measuring up
better with respect to approved standard than Ohio State.
There is no national champion in college football. At the end of the season the
teams ranked number 1 and 2 should be referred to as homecoming king and queen
of college football.
Murderer's Row & Gauntlet??!! Really??1. Marshall?2.
Ohio?3. Eastern Michigan?4. Indiana?5. Purdue?6.
Michigan and Minnesota (both suck!)Sounds like Thunderdome to me.
"two man enter, one man leave". How could any team survive this
scheduleyou're a joke OSU...overrated!!
Just check out Gordon's bio on wikipedia. Somewhat ironic, eh?
I guess that 47-7 drubbing that TCU laid on Utah still has Dr. Gee (U of U Alum)
I don't think TCU or BSU deserve a shot at the title either. I want to see the
two best teams not just the teams who played the easiest schedules. Both teams could have had a harder non conference schedule, but decided to
schedule teams like Toledo and Tennessee Tech instead. There are 3
or 4 teams I'd put ahead of Ohio State too.The system we're stuck
with is pathetic
No one has a worse BCS record than Ohio State. Funny how they manage to make to
the championship games after a so-so season....no wonder he likes things the way
I wonder how Gordon feels about that murderer's row gauntlet teams from the Big
East or ACC have to maneuver through every week. Pitt has lost 4 times against
competition weaker than TCU's, but if they win their last 2 games they'll be in
a BCS bowl. TCU might not even get that much with a 12-0 record! And Pitt lost
to the same Utah team TCU beat by 40 points.You can justify the BCS
any way you want, but it all boils down to the same thing: take out the C.
I totally agree Ohio State has had a soft schedule. But lets look at other
teams in the Big 10 that are not good. Wisconsin scored 83 points against
Indiana, and they were not even trying to run up the score. Minnesota is
horrible, Michigan, is average the only reason why they do so well is because
of a soft preseason. Purdue is not that good, Northwestern and Illinois are
average teams. Iowa barley beat a team from the sub divison last year. Of course the top teams in the Big 10 would finish near or at the top of
the MWC and the games against TCU, Utah, BYU and Air Force would be competitive.
and didn't Wyoming who was near the bottom of the conference beat a
Tennessee team two years ago.
Twisted logic of a corrupt system.
Murder's row every week like Indiana, Minnesota, North Western, Purdue, Ohio U,
As both a Buckeye and a Cougar, I strongly disagree with Gee's opinion.
I bet Ohio State wouldn't accept an offer to play either of these schools for
fear of being beaten. TCU and BSU don't have the opportunity to play those
schools week-in and week-out. The BCS is broken and either way you cut it
someone is unhappy.
Gee is a total tool but I have to agree with him on one point in that TCU and
Boise State don't get beat up through October and November like SEC teams. They
don't deserve to play in the national title game. Period. End of story.
Yes, and Butler didnt deserve to play for the national championship in
basketball last year because they didnt play a difficult enough regualar season
schedule. Yet they were given the right to play the name schools in the
tournament and ended up proving they were the better team. AS for
professionalism, look no further than Ohio St as an example of athletics being
primarily a corporate money making machine.
So "unless you are part of our club, you don't deserve to be in our
club." Brilliant logic.
"We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor."HAHAHA!!
Their non-conference schedule includes Ohio, Marshal, and Eastern Michigan.
Jeff Sagarin currently ranks Ohio State's schedule as the 59th hardest in the
country. TCU's is 68th.I think Gee should at least consider these
easily identifiable FACTS before he opens his pie hole.
college baseball and basketball both have a playoff system and are doing at
least as well as football in terms of his stated "slippery slope to
professionalism". any argument against a college football playoff is
simply a red herring to protect the status quo and the schools that benefit most
of course they don't deserve it. That means less money for his school...
The BCS is a beauty contest run by the equivalent of Russian ice skating judges.
Who you play really shouldn't matter. The 2 best teams should play for the
championship. The only way to discover the 2 best teams is with a playoff.
Anything less is a beauty contest - a NC really doesn't exist in college
It's all about the cash!
Footballs is so popular that all the big boys (In their own minds) think they
have scooped up all the best players. There are to many good players for them to
get them all. Barry Switzer made the huge mistake of saying that Alabama would
not have recruited one player on Utah's team. He was right...Utah recruited
better ones. Barry had to eat his own words in less than 3 hours. Oh how the
mighty fall when they puff themselves up like overheated marshmallows over a
TCU and Boise State could take OS 8 times out of 10. The 2 years Utah was in
they proved that the BCS is a sham(and I am a Y fan). I don't think Boise state
has lost in BCS bowl have they? BS and the U are 4-0 in BSC Bowls. Truly the
BCS is un-American. I am not kidding and if Pres Gee really thought about it he
I hope he at least recognizes Ohio State didn't deserve a title shot all those
years they got pasted in the championship game by teams from the SEC and PAC.
Of course he prefers the "mixed-up mystery", his Buckeyes have
"mysteriously" been invited to the "championship" a number
of times and quickly proved that they did not belong. If not for a pretty
dubious pass interference call they would be 0-3 in those games. FBS college
football will have no champion this year and never has. Unless every team plays
every other team (this would of course be impossible) the only other way to tell
who is the best is by playing against other teams who might also have a claim to
be the best. I wonder if Dr. Gee also is opposed to every other playoff used in
college sports? Does he really think that college softball playoffs and March
Madness have turned those sports into professional? I guess he is just worried
that if football starts generating more money from a playoff then the Ohio State
boosters will start having to pay the players more money.
Boy, what a surprise that he would think that.....