"Church President Gordon B. Hinckley once said that living together in
communities with respect and concern one for another is the hallmark of
civilization. That hallmark is under increasing threatSo many of the habits and
conventions of modern culture ubiquitous media, anonymous and unsourced online
participation, politicization of the routine, fractured community and family
life undermine the virtues and manners that make peaceful coexistence in a
pluralist society possible. The fabric of civil society tears when stretched
thin by its extremities. Civility, then, becomes the measure of our collective
and individual character as citizens of a democracyFurthermore, the Church views
with concern the politics of fear and rhetorical extremism that render civil
discussion impossible.Latter-day Saint ethical life requires members to treat
their neighbors with respect, regardless of the situation. Behavior in a
religious setting should be consistent with behavior in a secular setting. The
Church hopes that our democratic system will facilitate kinder and more reasoned
exchanges among fellow Americans than we are now seeing."Source: The Mormon Ethic of CivilityOct 16 2009 The Newroom
To Done That | 6:52 a.m. There is a war going on in the United
States between the large international corporations and the American government.
The stakes in that war are no less than the absolute control over the American
people. If the corporations win, personal rights and freedoms will
be determined by the will of the corporation and according to the needs of the
corporation.If you would but think, all the freedom and rights you
are able to exercise are made possible by federal laws. The American government
is your champion in this fight.Of the largest 100 economies in the
world, 51 are corporations. Do you really want your champion to be small and
re: Northern | 9:16 a.m. Nov. 24, 2010 I beleive the phrase you are
looking for is indentured servants or at least that is how Wall St & big
banks run by Ivy league clowns want it.
The Tea Party definitely has a base of support. But don't confuse them with
everyone who voted Republican in the last election.The recent
Republican victories were more a general reaction against the current
administration and congress than it was for specific Tea Party principles.It was just two short years ago that everyone was writing the obituary
of the Republican Party.In all of politics, it is helpful to
remember that the wide middle of the electorate swings in reaction to who is in
power and how the economy is going.Don't mistake a single election
for a long-term trend or even a mandate to govern. The message is closer to
"don't mess up like the last guy".
I went to a Tea Party gathering. I was genuinely interested in what they had to
say. I had one basic question: what are the concrete you would take to right
the American economy? All I got was, "we're gonna end Obama's sosh'lust
policies!" Maybe I went to the Tea Party gathering that wasn't indicative
of the movement as a whole, but somehow I don't think so. And at least half of
the people there were receiving Social Security and/or Medicare / Medicaid. At
least there were no overtly racist signs. That was a relief. But I like groups
with plans, not just gripes.
i support less government and more self-discipline but i see a need for
government intrusion to make right, and keep right, some things that are
wrong---the big questions are what issues are really wrong enough for government
intrusion---i do not see myself as a tea partyer nor have i attended any tea
party activities---i have looked for ways to begin defining the societal wrongs
that need government intrusion---it seems that the view is so different from
opposite sides of the questions that it is hard to believe we are looking at the
same thing---it is like walking thru the forest appreciating the view but when
turning around to walk back, nothing is familiar---in the worst cases one is
lost---we need substantive problem solving at the grass-root level
by those willing to look at any specific issue honestly and openly from every
side---where and when can we get those kind of discussions started?---
Wow, how very deceptive this article is. I am going to address this statement:
"Most tea party supporters 86 percent want less government intrusion on
people and businesses, but only 35 percent of other voters said so."OK, assuming we have 300 million adults in this country, the numbers
breakdown like this:(1) 90 million 'Tea Partiers' want less government.(2) That leaves 210 million 'others'. (3) 35% of those 'others' also
want less government. That comes to 73 million. (4) Add those numbers
and you get 163 million want less government. That's 54% folks.
Re: Transparent GovernmentNow that's something I would like to see.
Not that it's likely going to happen. I felt the Dem's had a
chance, but the good old GOP..the party of NO did a good job stoping all foward
movement that the DEM's tried to do. So now...for the next 2 years...we have a
government that is even LESS INCLINED to come to an agreement on passing
anything of value to you and me.So don't look for anything
transparent to come out of the next 2 years. Ain't gonna happen!!!
It is bemusing to look at the supposed level of political disgust in America
with incumbents and then examine the demographics of those moaning the loudest.
Generally, these individuals appear to be white, middle class, and over 40.
Well where did the world they are bemoaning come from? Are they not the ones
that have been voting for the last 20-40 years?I wonder how we
arrived at this point? Surely it had nothing to do with their voting patterns,
behavior, lack of involvement, willingness to accept government programs as long
as they benefited, enjoyed economic booms that were destined to fail, etc.Previous generations have delivered what they call a broken system but
seem to have no desire to acknowledge that it was their stewardship (franchise)
that created the mess that exists (or they blame dead Presidents). At worst, it
is hypocrisy on their part or at best revisionist history that excludes them.
Personal responsibility is certainly waning in America, my fear is it wanes the
most from the over 40 crowd.
Nothing new here - just more lamestream media attempts to discredit the tea
The real question is, what constitutes a Tea Party Supporter? Could it be that
if you support low taxes and a repeal of the Obama Health Care Bill you are
likely to be at least somewhat supportive of the Tea Party? Of course the
non-Tea Party supporters are far less likely to support low taxes and a repeal
of the bill. If they supported those things, they would likely be Tea Party
supporters. You can't just lump everybody into catergories and call people
extreme because they happen to support one policy or another. Do I support low
taxes and small government? Yes. Do I think the health care bill was bad? Yes.
Do I dress up like a minute man, carry a gun, and blame illegal immigrants for
all of my problems? No. So, you tell me. Am I a Tea Party Supporter or not?
Depending on the issue, I would either tell you I do or do not support the Tea
Party, and I suspect this is the case with a majority of Americans. If the
communist party is for imprisoning rapists, I guess that makes me a communist
Another liberal rag trying to deceive. AP (America's Pravda) is yet another
propoganda arm of the DNC.The truth is that government is too big,
too abusive, too invasive, too deceptive and too corrupt. "We the
people" deserve better.Let's educate ourselves on what the
politicians are up to and vote in a more open, honest and competent lot.
@Progressive: your sentiments are interesting but substantively lacking. I lived
and worked in UK (legally) for a couple years; I also lived / studied in other
European countries and couldnt wait to get back to the U.S. for the very reasons
you give only opposite: limited social movement, higher taxes, inferior
servicesyou name it. Europe absolutely has its appeal but doesnt
even come close to the potential quality of life offered in United States (and I
don't mean bigger cars, TVs, etc...).
Well of course! If they SHARED the Tea Party views they would BELONG to the Tea
Party, wouldn't they?A poll conducted to see if America shared the
views of Ultra Liberal Democrats would show similar results, even though these
Ultra-Libs claim that THEY are speaking for the people.For that
matter, a poll of Utahans discovering whether they share the views of the
Deseret News Editorial Board would probably reveal that the DNEB doesn't speak
for most Utahans, either.
Ultra BobSo what Ultra Bob is saying is join the Constitutionalparty. * That each individual is endowed by his Creator with
certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to life, liberty,
property and the pursuit of happiness; * That the freedom to own, use,
exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of property is a natural,
necessary and inseparable extension of the individual's unalienable rights; * That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights
through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong
national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all; * That
history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp
the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the
people's rights; and * That, therefore, it is essential to bind
government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and
jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the
The Tea Party is not supported by the majority of Americans. That's why
Christine O'Donnell lost badly while Castle would have crushed Coons. It's why
Sharon Angle lost to Harry Reid. Wait, what am I saying... I'm a liberal so it's
in my best interest... You know what, keep nominating tea party candidates,
they're extremely popular. You don't want any moderate Republicans in races like
say Nevada, Maine or Massachusetts in 2012 (Ensign, whichever maine senator is
up, Brown), run tea party candidates. They'll do well I'm sure of it.
@DemisanaI'm so glad you can just throw out statistics without
backing any of them up. How do you know that 90% of college and university
professors are liberals? Did you ask them all yourself? From my own
experience, I went to a small college and my professors didn't run around
telling us their political views, they just taught our classes and facilitated
discussion. We read textbooks, took tests, wrote research papers and came up
with our conclusions. That is what higher education is for. I
don't know why the tea partiers are so anti-education. I guess they fear that
people with critical thinking skills will run from their movement in droves.
Tea Party = empty rhetoric politics without any actual solutions or
ideas. Just throw your fist in the air and shout "you betcha" and
"constitution" a lot.
When the Tea Party people call themselves we the people it has all the
credibility of the Fox motto Fair and Balanced. The truth is that
the Tea Party people are business oriented people with an agenda that will turn
America into a nation like Mexico or even Haiti. When you walk
through your employers door, you give up your individuals rights and freedoms in
favor of the employers rules. This is a necessary concession in our economy.
For the duration of the work period and sometimes even after, the employer is
your lord and master. The government that the Tea Party is
promoting is government by the corporation. The workplace is the perfect
example of what it will be like, everywhere all the time, when corporations own
and operate the government. Another truth is that when the
corporations do take over, most of the tea party people will be thrown under the
bus with the rest of us.
No need for comment here. Demisana, and for that matter really, everyone seem to
grasp the transparency that reveals charlatans are at work. Is it a coincidence
that yesterday the Tea Party took a copycat group to court. A group attempting
to turn the USA inside out led by Obama's czars. Happy Thanksgiving. Take in a
Consider the source. AP which now means Anti-American Propaganda. These attacks
on the Tea Party people will persist by the left. They are afraid. Let's keep
them that way.
of course "many" don't support the tea party's views...half the voting
public are totally dependent on a check from the gov't for their existence.
The tea party is just the main stream medias focus to make the sheeple think
about side issues and distract them. Instead of the real issue that
constitutionalists want small government and freedom, and sovereignty from
foreign involvement. Having nothing to do with "The Tea Party". The
real answer to the country is the constitution party a real party.The majority of the country wants small government and peace. But a small
percentage of that majority forget that "Those who would give up
Essential Libertyto purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve
neither Liberty nor Safety."America's Founding Fathers would
say that Americans today are slaves. Wealthy slaves, but still slaves. Slaves
that enjoy luxury and tranquility, but still slaves.
So ... if 3 in 10 US citizens are Tea Partiers ... and 35% of the rest of the US
agrees with them (so 35% of 7, which would be 2.45 people) ... then Tea Partiers
(3) + those who agree (2.45) ... make up 5.45 out of 10 people in the USA ...
or, a majority.Good try AP ...
KM..Go ahead, cast your lot with big government and big labor. It seems to have
worked so well with Europe. Ahhh, is Europes unemployment higher than ours, is
their education level lower than ours, is their ability to improve their lot in
life worse than ours? the answer to all is No. They pay higher taxes than we
do and have different issues than we do but the macro outcomes in most cases are
equal to or better than ours. Americans have bigger tv's, bigger cars, more
barbies, and more boats..so what?I don't want to move to Europe
(however I did enjoy living there years ago)nor am I advocating a 90% marginal
tax rate, but to denegrade govt. regulations that make all of our lives better
and safer and labor unions that created the middle class by comparing them to
Europe is misinformed and deceptive. Make your point but argue the
facts here and don't malign others who have made different choices than you.
And only 20 percent of the colonials in the 1770s supported the American
Revolution. So what? By the time the Constitution was ratified, almost all of
them supported the new country.What can you expect from people who
formed their political views in government run schools? Surveys show that
educators in K-12 are well over half liberals. In universities, that number is
70-90+ percent, depending on the particular college and department. They've
grown up in an era where the government is supposed to solve everything, and
where their schools teach them utopia is achievable. Our founding
fathers knew better, that's the whole point of checks and balances. The
Constitution is designed to control and limit the government, not the people.
It's going to take a whole lot of work to counter the damage to this country,
starting by educating people how it's actually supposed to work.
I think this article was ordered by the DNC or activists in the media. It
bears little resemblance to the real world...or at least the part of the real
world not living off of a government check.
To My2cents: What is "the American race"? Who belongs to it? Who
doesn't?A couple of examples of tea party politicians: One tea part
congressman was incensed that his own government funded healthcare wouldn't
start for 28 days after his swearing in. Another, from a farm state,
was asked if she would be willing to eliminate farm subsidies to help reduce the
deficit. She replied that we can't possibly reduce farm subsidies because they
are a matter of "national security". (no, I'm not making this up)
Some of the tea party principles as I understand it is less government
intrusion, fewer rules and regulations so that a business can be run efficiently
or a new business be started up without a lot of red tape. Federal workers get
$119,000 a year including a massive retirement. Can't we reduce this? Stimulus
bills don't work. Wealth redistribution does not work. If we want a strong
economy and low unemployment we have to go with tea party principles otherwise
we go to a European style economy. Seems real dumb to me to penalize those who
from the article: ""We are ordinary Americans," said Jenny Beth
Martin, a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, an umbrella group.
"These are people who care so much they want to restore our
Constitution."Restore the Constitution? What does that mean?
I thought it was still there and functioning like it is supposed to, with
debate, and Supreme Court interpretation. Sheesh, are the tea party
people for real? Have any of them actually stepped foot in a college or
university and actually studied anything, or are just lemmings for the loudest
voice they can hear?
I distrust polls which are designed to show something that is observably true
isn't. They've flopped the numbers: instead of only 35 percent of the people
disagreeing with Obama, it's about that number who think he's doing an okay job.
This is merely the AP, the "establishment media," trying to strike
back following the resounding defeat of Democratic and Obama policies at the
polls. The sky is blue and they want us to think it's pink.
The first paragraph was a sound bite for the DNC or any media group funded by
Soros.So todays radicals want to repeal the economy busting, central
government control of our lives in the Health Care bill? Todays radicals don't
want to divide our country by class - tax cuts for all. Now the DNC plans to
cast the GOP as extreme, by tying them to the radical views of the tea party.
Those radical views of equality for all, smaller government control of our
lives, and thus, more personal freedom. Go ahead, cast your lot with big
government and big labor. It seems to have worked so well with Europe.
I'm not sure what person would NOT be for smaller government/individual
liberty(except union/government workers and those on the gov dole), fewer taxes
(except those that don't pay any), no deficiet spending (who would oppose that
except those on the dole). Those are just common sense ideas that freedom loving
people would expect. Even here in Conn, hard working people that I encounter
feel this way. It amazes me how many people are willing to give up those
liberties for a few free measly bucks. Come on people wake up, get off the
drugs, some taking the government bribes and stand up for you freedoms.
I wish politicians would remove the word "mandate" from their
Have to agree that this poll is irrelevant and misleading. First of all the tea
party ideology is not a registered party with registered members so how can they
determine who favors what questions? As far as they know, they have proved just
the opposite of what they claim.This tea party ideology is one
favoring law and order and the truth from our elected government officials. They
are not a group of radicals as the story implies, they are americans who still
believe in the American race and constitution. Tea party proponents are for open
and transparent government which the news media opposes and tries to suppress.
Local news media is a major problem of local government as they are controlled
by local government and told what to print and what not to print. Utah has even legislated news media controls with rules of order and rules of
law controlling the news media reporters, papers, TV stations, even these
comment boards. Who ever wields the pen wields the power of information and
truth, and in Utah its our representatives of government and its financial
backers. Government spawns millionaires and billionaire representatives by the
power mongers controlling them.
First - the article heading is VERY misleading!! Most of what the article had
to say made it sound like the 'tea party' was a sizable force in the
elections.Second - Wonder which state this poll was taken.Certainly