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Poll shows majority of Americans don't support tea party views

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  • Ed Meyer Kanab, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 12:06 a.m.

    "Church President Gordon B. Hinckley once said that living together in communities with respect and concern one for another is the hallmark of civilization. That hallmark is under increasing threatSo many of the habits and conventions of modern culture ubiquitous media, anonymous and unsourced online participation, politicization of the routine, fractured community and family life undermine the virtues and manners that make peaceful coexistence in a pluralist society possible. The fabric of civil society tears when stretched thin by its extremities. Civility, then, becomes the measure of our collective and individual character as citizens of a democracyFurthermore, the Church views with concern the politics of fear and rhetorical extremism that render civil discussion impossible.Latter-day Saint ethical life requires members to treat their neighbors with respect, regardless of the situation. Behavior in a religious setting should be consistent with behavior in a secular setting. The Church hopes that our democratic system will facilitate kinder and more reasoned exchanges among fellow Americans than we are now seeing."

    Source: The Mormon Ethic of Civility
    Oct 16 2009
    The Newroom

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    To Done That | 6:52 a.m.

    There is a war going on in the United States between the large international corporations and the American government. The stakes in that war are no less than the absolute control over the American people.

    If the corporations win, personal rights and freedoms will be determined by the will of the corporation and according to the needs of the corporation.

    If you would but think, all the freedom and rights you are able to exercise are made possible by federal laws. The American government is your champion in this fight.

    Of the largest 100 economies in the world, 51 are corporations. Do you really want your champion to be small and weak?

  • Wally West Port of Spain, T & T
    Nov. 24, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    re: Northern | 9:16 a.m. Nov. 24, 2010

    I beleive the phrase you are looking for is indentured servants or at least that is how Wall St & big banks run by Ivy league clowns want it.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 24, 2010 12:07 p.m.

    The Tea Party definitely has a base of support. But don't confuse them with everyone who voted Republican in the last election.

    The recent Republican victories were more a general reaction against the current administration and congress than it was for specific Tea Party principles.

    It was just two short years ago that everyone was writing the obituary of the Republican Party.

    In all of politics, it is helpful to remember that the wide middle of the electorate swings in reaction to who is in power and how the economy is going.

    Don't mistake a single election for a long-term trend or even a mandate to govern. The message is closer to "don't mess up like the last guy".

  • hatuletoh Sugarhood, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    I went to a Tea Party gathering. I was genuinely interested in what they had to say. I had one basic question: what are the concrete you would take to right the American economy? All I got was, "we're gonna end Obama's sosh'lust policies!" Maybe I went to the Tea Party gathering that wasn't indicative of the movement as a whole, but somehow I don't think so. And at least half of the people there were receiving Social Security and/or Medicare / Medicaid. At least there were no overtly racist signs. That was a relief. But I like groups with plans, not just gripes.

  • rnoble Pendleton, OR
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    i support less government and more self-discipline but i see a need for government intrusion to make right, and keep right, some things that are wrong---the big questions are what issues are really wrong enough for government intrusion---i do not see myself as a tea partyer nor have i attended any tea party activities---i have looked for ways to begin defining the societal wrongs that need government intrusion---it seems that the view is so different from opposite sides of the questions that it is hard to believe we are looking at the same thing---it is like walking thru the forest appreciating the view but when turning around to walk back, nothing is familiar---in the worst cases one is lost---

    we need substantive problem solving at the grass-root level by those willing to look at any specific issue honestly and openly from every side---where and when can we get those kind of discussions started?---

  • BJackson Farmington, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    Wow, how very deceptive this article is. I am going to address this statement: "Most tea party supporters 86 percent want less government intrusion on people and businesses, but only 35 percent of other voters said so."

    OK, assuming we have 300 million adults in this country, the numbers breakdown like this:
    (1) 90 million 'Tea Partiers' want less government.
    (2) That leaves 210 million 'others'.
    (3) 35% of those 'others' also want less government. That comes to 73 million.
    (4) Add those numbers and you get 163 million want less government. That's 54% folks.

  • dalep2u Herriman, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    Re: Transparent Government

    Now that's something I would like to see.

    Not that it's likely going to happen. I felt the Dem's had a chance, but the good old GOP..the party of NO did a good job stoping all foward movement that the DEM's tried to do. So now...for the next 2 years...we have a government that is even LESS INCLINED to come to an agreement on passing anything of value to you and me.

    So don't look for anything transparent to come out of the next 2 years. Ain't gonna happen!!!

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    It is bemusing to look at the supposed level of political disgust in America with incumbents and then examine the demographics of those moaning the loudest. Generally, these individuals appear to be white, middle class, and over 40. Well where did the world they are bemoaning come from? Are they not the ones that have been voting for the last 20-40 years?

    I wonder how we arrived at this point? Surely it had nothing to do with their voting patterns, behavior, lack of involvement, willingness to accept government programs as long as they benefited, enjoyed economic booms that were destined to fail, etc.

    Previous generations have delivered what they call a broken system but seem to have no desire to acknowledge that it was their stewardship (franchise) that created the mess that exists (or they blame dead Presidents). At worst, it is hypocrisy on their part or at best revisionist history that excludes them. Personal responsibility is certainly waning in America, my fear is it wanes the most from the over 40 crowd.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    Nothing new here - just more lamestream media attempts to discredit the tea party movement.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    The real question is, what constitutes a Tea Party Supporter? Could it be that if you support low taxes and a repeal of the Obama Health Care Bill you are likely to be at least somewhat supportive of the Tea Party? Of course the non-Tea Party supporters are far less likely to support low taxes and a repeal of the bill. If they supported those things, they would likely be Tea Party supporters. You can't just lump everybody into catergories and call people extreme because they happen to support one policy or another. Do I support low taxes and small government? Yes. Do I think the health care bill was bad? Yes. Do I dress up like a minute man, carry a gun, and blame illegal immigrants for all of my problems? No. So, you tell me. Am I a Tea Party Supporter or not? Depending on the issue, I would either tell you I do or do not support the Tea Party, and I suspect this is the case with a majority of Americans. If the communist party is for imprisoning rapists, I guess that makes me a communist party supporter?

  • Truth csar Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Another liberal rag trying to deceive. AP (America's Pravda) is yet another propoganda arm of the DNC.

    The truth is that government is too big, too abusive, too invasive, too deceptive and too corrupt. "We the people" deserve better.

    Let's educate ourselves on what the politicians are up to and vote in a more open, honest and competent lot.

  • leer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    @Progressive: your sentiments are interesting but substantively lacking. I lived and worked in UK (legally) for a couple years; I also lived / studied in other European countries and couldnt wait to get back to the U.S. for the very reasons you give only opposite: limited social movement, higher taxes, inferior servicesyou name it.

    Europe absolutely has its appeal but doesnt even come close to the potential quality of life offered in United States (and I don't mean bigger cars, TVs, etc...).

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    Well of course! If they SHARED the Tea Party views they would BELONG to the Tea Party, wouldn't they?

    A poll conducted to see if America shared the views of Ultra Liberal Democrats would show similar results, even though these Ultra-Libs claim that THEY are speaking for the people.

    For that matter, a poll of Utahans discovering whether they share the views of the Deseret News Editorial Board would probably reveal that the DNEB doesn't speak for most Utahans, either.

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    Ultra Bob

    So what Ultra Bob is saying is join the Constitutional
    party.

    * That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness;
    * That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual's unalienable rights;
    * That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;
    * That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people's rights; and
    * That, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    The Tea Party is not supported by the majority of Americans. That's why Christine O'Donnell lost badly while Castle would have crushed Coons. It's why Sharon Angle lost to Harry Reid. Wait, what am I saying... I'm a liberal so it's in my best interest... You know what, keep nominating tea party candidates, they're extremely popular. You don't want any moderate Republicans in races like say Nevada, Maine or Massachusetts in 2012 (Ensign, whichever maine senator is up, Brown), run tea party candidates. They'll do well I'm sure of it.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:52 a.m.

    @Demisana

    I'm so glad you can just throw out statistics without backing any of them up. How do you know that 90% of college and university professors are liberals? Did you ask them all yourself? From my own experience, I went to a small college and my professors didn't run around telling us their political views, they just taught our classes and facilitated discussion. We read textbooks, took tests, wrote research papers and came up with our conclusions. That is what higher education is for.

    I don't know why the tea partiers are so anti-education. I guess they fear that people with critical thinking skills will run from their movement in droves.

    Tea Party = empty rhetoric politics without any actual solutions or ideas. Just throw your fist in the air and shout "you betcha" and "constitution" a lot.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    When the Tea Party people call themselves we the people it has all the credibility of the Fox motto Fair and Balanced.

    The truth is that the Tea Party people are business oriented people with an agenda that will turn America into a nation like Mexico or even Haiti.

    When you walk through your employers door, you give up your individuals rights and freedoms in favor of the employers rules. This is a necessary concession in our economy. For the duration of the work period and sometimes even after, the employer is your lord and master.

    The government that the Tea Party is promoting is government by the corporation. The workplace is the perfect example of what it will be like, everywhere all the time, when corporations own and operate the government.

    Another truth is that when the corporations do take over, most of the tea party people will be thrown under the bus with the rest of us.

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    No need for comment here. Demisana, and for that matter really, everyone seem to grasp the transparency that reveals charlatans are at work. Is it a coincidence that yesterday the Tea Party took a copycat group to court. A group attempting to turn the USA inside out led by Obama's czars. Happy Thanksgiving. Take in a stranger.

  • jbc1 Mount Carmel, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    Consider the source. AP which now means Anti-American Propaganda. These attacks on the Tea Party people will persist by the left. They are afraid. Let's keep them that way.

  • ds7 American Fork, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    of course "many" don't support the tea party's views...half the voting public are totally dependent on a check from the gov't for their existence.

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    The tea party is just the main stream medias focus to make the sheeple think about side issues and distract them.
    Instead of the real issue that constitutionalists want small government and freedom, and sovereignty from foreign involvement. Having nothing to do with "The Tea Party". The real answer to the country is the constitution party a real party.

    The majority of the country wants small government and peace. But a small percentage of that majority forget that
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty
    to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    America's Founding Fathers would say that Americans today are slaves. Wealthy slaves, but still slaves. Slaves that enjoy luxury and tranquility, but still slaves.

  • mem0ri Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    So ... if 3 in 10 US citizens are Tea Partiers ... and 35% of the rest of the US agrees with them (so 35% of 7, which would be 2.45 people) ... then Tea Partiers (3) + those who agree (2.45) ... make up 5.45 out of 10 people in the USA ... or, a majority.

    Good try AP ...

  • Progressive Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    KM..Go ahead, cast your lot with big government and big labor. It seems to have worked so well with Europe. Ahhh, is Europes unemployment higher than ours, is their education level lower than ours, is their ability to improve their lot in life worse than ours? the answer to all is No. They pay higher taxes than we do and have different issues than we do but the macro outcomes in most cases are equal to or better than ours. Americans have bigger tv's, bigger cars, more barbies, and more boats..so what?

    I don't want to move to Europe (however I did enjoy living there years ago)nor am I advocating a 90% marginal tax rate, but to denegrade govt. regulations that make all of our lives better and safer and labor unions that created the middle class by comparing them to Europe is misinformed and deceptive.

    Make your point but argue the facts here and don't malign others who have made different choices than you.

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    And only 20 percent of the colonials in the 1770s supported the American Revolution. So what? By the time the Constitution was ratified, almost all of them supported the new country.

    What can you expect from people who formed their political views in government run schools? Surveys show that educators in K-12 are well over half liberals. In universities, that number is 70-90+ percent, depending on the particular college and department. They've grown up in an era where the government is supposed to solve everything, and where their schools teach them utopia is achievable.

    Our founding fathers knew better, that's the whole point of checks and balances. The Constitution is designed to control and limit the government, not the people. It's going to take a whole lot of work to counter the damage to this country, starting by educating people how it's actually supposed to work.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 24, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    I think this article was ordered by the DNC or activists in the media. It bears little resemblance to the real world...or at least the part of the real world not living off of a government check.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    To My2cents: What is "the American race"? Who belongs to it? Who doesn't?

    A couple of examples of tea party politicians: One tea part congressman was incensed that his own government funded healthcare wouldn't start for 28 days after his swearing in.

    Another, from a farm state, was asked if she would be willing to eliminate farm subsidies to help reduce the deficit. She replied that we can't possibly reduce farm subsidies because they are a matter of "national security". (no, I'm not making this up)

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 7:47 a.m.

    Some of the tea party principles as I understand it is less government intrusion, fewer rules and regulations so that a business can be run efficiently or a new business be started up without a lot of red tape. Federal workers get $119,000 a year including a massive retirement. Can't we reduce this? Stimulus bills don't work. Wealth redistribution does not work. If we want a strong economy and low unemployment we have to go with tea party principles otherwise we go to a European style economy. Seems real dumb to me to penalize those who are successful.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    from the article: ""We are ordinary Americans," said Jenny Beth Martin, a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, an umbrella group. "These are people who care so much they want to restore our Constitution."

    Restore the Constitution? What does that mean? I thought it was still there and functioning like it is supposed to, with debate, and Supreme Court interpretation.

    Sheesh, are the tea party people for real? Have any of them actually stepped foot in a college or university and actually studied anything, or are just lemmings for the loudest voice they can hear?

  • DeepintheHeart Lewisville, TX
    Nov. 24, 2010 7:20 a.m.

    I distrust polls which are designed to show something that is observably true isn't. They've flopped the numbers: instead of only 35 percent of the people disagreeing with Obama, it's about that number who think he's doing an okay job. This is merely the AP, the "establishment media," trying to strike back following the resounding defeat of Democratic and Obama policies at the polls. The sky is blue and they want us to think it's pink.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 7:10 a.m.

    The first paragraph was a sound bite for the DNC or any media group funded by Soros.
    So todays radicals want to repeal the economy busting, central government control of our lives in the Health Care bill? Todays radicals don't want to divide our country by class - tax cuts for all. Now the DNC plans to cast the GOP as extreme, by tying them to the radical views of the tea party. Those radical views of equality for all, smaller government control of our lives, and thus, more personal freedom. Go ahead, cast your lot with big government and big labor. It seems to have worked so well with Europe.

  • Done That Monroe, CT
    Nov. 24, 2010 6:52 a.m.

    I'm not sure what person would NOT be for smaller government/individual liberty(except union/government workers and those on the gov dole), fewer taxes (except those that don't pay any), no deficiet spending (who would oppose that except those on the dole). Those are just common sense ideas that freedom loving people would expect. Even here in Conn, hard working people that I encounter feel this way. It amazes me how many people are willing to give up those liberties for a few free measly bucks. Come on people wake up, get off the drugs, some taking the government bribes and stand up for you freedoms.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 6:37 a.m.

    I wish politicians would remove the word "mandate" from their vocabulary.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 4:45 a.m.

    Have to agree that this poll is irrelevant and misleading. First of all the tea party ideology is not a registered party with registered members so how can they determine who favors what questions? As far as they know, they have proved just the opposite of what they claim.

    This tea party ideology is one favoring law and order and the truth from our elected government officials. They are not a group of radicals as the story implies, they are americans who still believe in the American race and constitution. Tea party proponents are for open and transparent government which the news media opposes and tries to suppress. Local news media is a major problem of local government as they are controlled by local government and told what to print and what not to print.

    Utah has even legislated news media controls with rules of order and rules of law controlling the news media reporters, papers, TV stations, even these comment boards. Who ever wields the pen wields the power of information and truth, and in Utah its our representatives of government and its financial backers. Government spawns millionaires and billionaire representatives by the power mongers controlling them.

  • bulldog Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    First - the article heading is VERY misleading!! Most of what the article had to say made it sound like the 'tea party' was a sizable force in the elections.
    Second - Wonder which state this poll was taken.
    Certainly wasn't Utah!