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Published: Saturday, Nov. 20 2010 12:02 a.m. MST

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BT1984
West Jordan, UT

I'm not going to convince anyone who's already made their mind up on "who's greatest". Some argue that players from past teams have done well in the college and as pros. These Bingham players have yet to play in the college or professional ranks so we can't say how they'll perform in either..
Only time will tell.
Bingham 2010 (13-0)
Scored: 638 (49.1 per game)
Allowed: 123 (9.5 per game)
Average difference: 39.6

Hunter 2003 (14-0)
Scored: 567 (40.5 per game)
Allowed: 134 (9.6 per game)
Average difference: 30.9

Skyline 1999 (13-0)
Scored: 540 (41.5 per game)
Allowed: 150 (11.5 per game)
Average difference: 30

Timpview
2006 (12-1)
Scored: 344 (26.5 per game)
Allowed: 77 (5.9 per game)
Average difference: 20.6
2007 (13-0)
Scored: 545 (41.9 per game)
Allowed: 92 (7.1 per game)
Average difference: 34.8
2008 (13-0)
Scored: 504 (38.8 per game)
Allowed: 156 (12 per game)
Average difference: 26.8
2009 (11-2)
Scored: 542 (41.7 per game)
Allowed: 180 (13.9 per game)
Average difference: 27.8

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Bingham success can be attributed to the fact that they had great class of young men this year and also that many teams did not!

As for greatest teams ever..... I like Hunter 2003 and Alta 2007(defensively the dominated everyone)......

The Truth Serum
Bluffdale, UT

BT1984. We seem to agree to disagree quite a bit on these boards and its nice that you are a fan with some perspective. It's way to hard to argue Bingham as being the best in state history. It's also too hard to argue that they aren't. Even comparing average margin of victory is hard because of the running clocks, the fact that coach peck admitted to running up the score because of the national polls etc. There are some games Bingham could have named the score and it could be said that the other teams you mentioned could of as well. Stats can be meant to say whatever you want them to in order to validate a point. I think 5a on the whole was very weak this year with bingham being much better than everyone else. It doesn't take away from binghams accomplishment at all too say that. I think Bhs fans are looking for everyone to annoint this team as the greatest ever because that's what they have been telling themselves since gremlins. They should be proud that they will be considered among the best teams to play in Utah

LV Ute Fan
Las Vegas, NV

I watched the game on the D-news, and I was not impressed. People are saying Bingham is the best ever? Really? The best team ever lost the second half!

Best team ever? I don't think so!

BamaFan
Spanish Fork, UT

I agree with "The Truth Serum." The talent in 5A this year was not as good, top to bottom, as in years past. However, based on their accomplishments, you have to put this years Bingham team in the argument with the Hunter and Skyline teams. That is all it is though, opinion for the sake of argument. The true determination will be how these highly local recruited athletes from Bingham, fair at the next level.

I also have to disagree with Peck a little when it comes to Utah football overall. I watch a lot of HS football and I can tell you that Utah's best couldn't hang with the top schools from states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, California etc. As good as Bingham was this year, they still would have lost to a Trinity team from Texas or a team like Chandler Hamilton from Arizona. Utah football has a ways to go before they are mentioned with those states.

factcheck
Salt Lake City, UT

Not sure I agree with you BamaFan. I am not a Bingham fan by any streth. (binghamalum thinks I am a parent or something LOL)

You say Utah's best could not hang with states like Florida, TX, AZ and CA... I will give you TX and FL, but only a handful of teams, maybe 3-4 teams that could hang with Bingham. You bring up Trinity, the powerhouse 5A team. They have won the highest division of TX football like 3 out of 5 years and are #1 in the country in most polls.

A few years ago Alta played Grant HS, who is considered the top CA team and top 10 in the country several times. Alta beat them one year by 20. The next yeat they went out to CA and lost by 7 only because they had 6 turnovers. Grant won the CIF championship that year and blew everyone out....except Alta.

I grew up in AZ, and our teams WERE better than UT, but not now. Granted that only a couple of teams could hang with other states, but the top 2 or 3 would beat all AZ teams.

Moog
South Jordan, UT

In response to all of your pontificating and in the words of Napoleon Dynamite, like anyone can even know that

One Nil to the Arsenal!
Gilbert, AZ

Re: Bama Fan.

Yaaa, I'm going to have to disagree with you completely. I've seen both Chandler Hamilton and Bingham play this year, and Bingham is the better team. Better all around offense. Chandler is too one dimensional, and Bingham has a better run defense. Utah football has come along way (except the Utes taking 3 steps back when they got waxed by TCU). Jordan beat a highly ranked team from Georgia a few years ago at their house. Plus, lets remember, Bingham played Trinity with Texaz football rules. Different tackling is allowed in Texas, not Utah. Trinity will not accept an invitation to come to Utah to play Bingham. They can't risk getting beat in the national polls.

nothegame
Saratoga Springs, UT

Re Gilbert AZ I agree with u. That Tinity Tx team was way good. But Texas plays college rules, most important, they allow them to cut block players. I don't think Bingham was ready for that kind of blocking. That is what makes Air Force so good.

Timp
South Jordan, UT

I think Bingham has a rightful claim (as much as anyone else) to be called best ever.

It is unfortunate another 5A team didn't emerge to at least test them a little.. but maybe Bingham was just that good.

Bingham 4 Life
South Jordan, UT

Considering the experts on USA Today and their years of experience in providing National Rankings for High School Football and knowing more about the top High School Football Programs in the Nation than most of us can imagine, I am proud to say this years football team is the best ever out of Utah.

Most importantly, Dave Peck will have the best High School Football program that Utah has ever seen. Most of us talk about how well the kids do in football in the next level to determine the best team ever.

Coach Peck's mind set is how well the young man is doing in life. That is what its all about. This is why Bingham Dynasty will continue as long as Coach Peck is at the Helm. As a result, in a short while, Utah High School Football teams will be placing 2-3 teams on the top 25 National rankings every year and we all WIN!!!

Amazing what one Great Football program can do.

Go BINGHAM!!!!!

binghamalum
South Jordan, UT

I went and watch chandler hamilton last week because I am currently in AZ so I was impressed by them, they are very good and have a QB who is ranked top 10 in his class who is good, I have watched bingham alot this year with USA today posting alot of there games online! and the Desnews during state!
Binghams defense can stop alot of ppl. They dont have any person playing both ways. Hamilton and that GRANT, CA school I watched on espn twice, both teams have alot of kids playing both ways!!!!
Bingham could easily keep up with both of them and win a big hard faught battle!
Bingham had chances against TRINITY in TEXAS playing by there rules. If cantwell started they could of easily upset that team. This year had they played maybe say in ARIZONA neutral site! oh that could of been anyones game.
Bingham played a HORRIBLE second half against Fremont and still won 30-7!
Bingham how ever looked so bad in the fourth quarter with all the penalties that was very bad for them and sad to see from a ALUM and a peck coached team!

The Truth Serum
Bluffdale, UT

Again. The national rankings were not popular or even considered relevant until recently, so you can't say because Bingham was ranked highest in state history so they are the best.

It is a privilege just to be considered one of the best teams to come out of the state. Is that not enough for BHS fans?

Dave is a great coach but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a Skyline type program.

Dave would need to do the following to be placed in the top programs category:

1. Play for the state championship in 9 consecutive seasons
2. Win the state championship 5 straight times.
3. Own an undefeated playoff record at home.
4. Go to the semifinals 14 straight years.

Those are just a few of the records Skyline holds over others in the state. You need to keep that in perspective before you start calling yourself the greatest program the state has ever seen.

You will never see as dominant a stretch of football as Skyline put together ever again in this state.

binghamalum
South Jordan, UT

The truth serum!
A skyline old player who cant realize they have no done anything in 2000's besdies 05!
the argument is not the about the greatest program of all time, because obviously it comes and goes depending on players.
But this is a article about the best team in utah history, not program!
Bingham has 14 Division one players, A QB who destroyed teams all year and at the U back to back years! Margin of VICTORY not high!
Bingham cant be determined by how bad teams were in footabll this year. but if someone ranks a utah team at #4 IN THE NATION!
24 games in a row! Lowest winning margin in a game this year, um 23 points!! 638 points, 9.5 points a game!!
Most talented team ever in utah football.
Good luck argueing how good and dominating this team was, not lost a game together as a group for about 13 years!! NOT BAD!!
OH AND ALL YOU DOUBTERS! ALL LIVE IN SOUTH JORDAN UTAH!!!! they dont recruit! if you got proof go show it !
its open enrollment but all these kids played together sine 8 years old!

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Truth, can you comprehend the difference between "TEAM" and "PROGRAM" I don't recall anybody saying BHS had the best program.

Bingham 4 Life
South Jordan, UT

It takes a good program to build good teams and occasionally great teams. Its the culture of winning the right way. If there is a team that will rank in the top 5 Nation wide consistently, I think Bingham has the best chance because their program is solid.

Hoosier
Kearns, Utah

The Hunter '03-'04 team truly was loaded. They won and won convincingly. One thing they didn't possess was much discipline. Honestly, if this pack of Wolverines had been led by a Mike Fraser or a Chad Van Orden, we wouldn't even be here arguing today who was the 'greatest' of all time.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

They did win convincingly, but not as convincingly as this Bingham team. (see above)

bullmountain
Herriman, Utah

The Truth Serum: I think it is fair to say that Coach Peck and Bingham certainly are on their way to being inside your "top program" category. 3 championship appearances in the last 5 years, 2 time defending state champs, multiple division 1 players. I agree it is not there yet with the Skyling/Timpview programs but give it time to develop and I know Bingham will be with those 2 as the greatest programs in Utah. Hopefully we will all see just how great this program will be when they show up next season. Bingham looses tons of talent but I think they are up to the challenge of developing their players to fill into all the holes they will have. Their QB for next year has some big shoes to fill. Stefan Cantwell is the real deal. He is coachable and a very hard worker as shown in his development as a passer this past year

Wolverine 04
South Jordan, Ut

Binghamalum
Please list the 14 Division one players on Bingham?
They are a very good team, but honestly there is not 14 D1 players.
Just curious.

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