It is sad to see the refs taint what was such a close, hard fought game with
2:04 remaining. Let the boys play ball. Either way, look for the Aggies to go
on a crazy win streak from here on out that will be capped off with a big win at
Georgetown. Go State!!!
Great game BYU! Great win! Thanks usu for getting votes to up BYU's ranking
next week. Never doubted for a second BYU would lose. They close out games so
well, especially at home. Utah now has to deal with their fans....glad BYU is
done with them! They'll probably storm the court if they beat Utah. LAME! Can't wait to play Utah later...BYU's only rival.
Sweeet. Trust me, that Utah State team is very good. We were lucky to get a win
tonight. Roll Cougs!!
Great win for the Y! We looked good, but need to try to get some more touches in
the paint. Utah State will be a very good team this year. I was really
impressed with Tai Wesley. His brother was a great player for BYU. Good
luck Aggies, hope you win out the rest of the season.
Way to go Cougars. Great game with USU and both teams played very well.
Difference in this game and last years game was home court advantage. If it was
in the Spectrum, likely a different outcome.
First let me say that I fully acknowledge that free throws and offensive
rebounds cost USU the game...but that was the worst call I've ever seen. The
elbow call was weak, but the extra free throws? And BYU students, try and
invent some of your own cheers...
This is a very good Utah State team with an inside and outside presence. This
team will be a major factor in the WAC.
Tough, hard-fought game for both teams. Wesley needs to learn to not swing his
elbows after a rebound. Lots of ticky-tack fouls called on both teams.Utah State is going to have an excellent season.The Aggies were
fortunate that BYU shot so miserably from 3-point range.It's too bad
this game couldn't have been played a month later. Both teams are still working
out a lot of the early season kinks.Congrats Cougars!A
tough early season test passed.
Was the referee a BYU alumni, probably not but you never know. The MWC already
had to change one sport because of BYU this year :) Anything less than the
sweet 16 from this team will be a major disappointment, they are really good.
Utah State plays a real tough, physical, half court style. Pretty much the
antithesis of BYU, so it makes for a battle of wills whenever these two teams
meet. It was a good game and the refs blew quite a few calls both ways. Not to
mention the horrible announcers...Ugh please let the torture from the mtn end
soon!!Jimmer forced a few too many tonight. He started out hot but
at least made some good passes in the second half. Hartsock was a beast. Great
rebounding and blocks tonight.Wesley plays hard and has great low
post moves, but he did throw Jimmer to the ground in the first half and those
elbows were up too high. Collinsworth is lucky he didn't got hit harder. I don't
think he intentionally swung at Collinsworth, but Collinsworth wasn't really
trying to tie him up, he was trying to get back on defense. There was no need
for Welsey to try and clear space by swinging his elbows like that.Either way I'm glad that Green kid finally missed and the Cougars pulled it
Worst call you've ever seen?Come on, Tin Man! Wesley
clearly swung his elbows and the rule is you don't even have to make contact in
order to be whistled for a flagrant foul if you swing your elbows. Every high school player knows that.FoulsBYU 22, one player
disqualified, two with fourUSU 23, one player disqualified, two with
fourIf it makes you feel better to blame the refs, knock yourself
out. The truth is, the officiating dead even.
Sorry folks, but BYU again proves why they will not go anywhere this year. They
cast up way too many three pointers, and their lack of discipline in their shot
selection is unbelievable.BYU will get through their standard NIT or
first round NCAA calibur season with an over-hyped guard that chucks up terrible
shots all over the place.Mark my words on that.
I was very surprised at the poor free throw shooting by Utah State, we're
usually in the top 5 in the country in FT% but unfortunatly tonight they left 11
points on the line and in a six point game that was the difference. Cougars
didn't beat USU, the Aggies beat themselves but we'll rebound Saturday. Go
Despite the referees' best efforts, the Cougars won.The game was a
good, hard-fought game. But serious about the officating, what on earth were
they doing? There were bad calls and no-calls everywhere for both teams
(although I wouldn't hesitate to say the bad calls favoring USU outnumbered the
ones favoring BYU about 4 to 1). USU was better than I thought. I would like
to see better shooting by the Cougars. That wasn't their best.
Proud to be AmericanLeave the arm-chair quarterbacking and
soothsaying to the pros. There's a reason you weren't on any of the half-dozen
or so selection committees who named Jimmer pre-season, first team All
American.Check out the front cover of Sports Illustrated's College
Basketball preview:Sports Illustrated's All-America Team Staff writer Seth Davis and SI.com senior writer Luke Winn combined to come up
with their selections for the best starting five in the country. G:
Jimmer Fredette, Sr. BYU G: Nolan Smith, Sr., Duke G: Jacob Pullen,
Sr., Kansas State F: Harrison Barnes, Fr., North Carolina F: Kyle
Singler, Sr., Duke The Aggies were just lucky that Jimmer was a
little off tonight, or it would have been a double-digit win for the Cougars.
Last year, Jimmer shot 44% from 3-point. Tonight he only shot 36%.
LivehardSpeaking of not getting it - USU shut down the Y's shooting? How
do you explain the score??Wesley's elbows were above his shoulders, and
were swung faster than the rotation of his body - read the rule, and watch the
replay. The refs did for about two minutes!What flavor is that Cache
Does BYU have any offensive sets that get shots for post guys? Why don't we
take advantage of Abuo's huge body on mismatches inside? Our offense seems to
be pass it to Jimmer until he is double or triple teamed and then when he passes
it, which isn't often, we must get it back to him as soon as possible.Come on coach. This won't win us the title this year.Jimmer:
Game 1 you played like an NBA point guard. Game 2, you looked like a gunner on
the church ward ball team.
Live Hard Quite obviously, Wesley's elbows weren't at his side or he
wouldn't have been whistled for a flagrant foul for swinging his elbows.Since when have you ever been objective about anything concerning
BYU?How about those Cowboys!
Three refs looked at the replay to determine if the foul was flagrant. One of
the refs has worked a final four, another is one of the best in the MWC. Having
determined that it was a flagrant, aren't they also in agreement with the
original calll? They obviously believed they got it right. I'll live with it.
Please try and avoid the BYU habit of predicting conference championships and
deep runs into the NCAA. It just makes you sound arrogant and naieve. I was impressed with the defense USU played on Fredett by doubling him up at
the top of the key. teams did it some at the end of last year but I thought USU
did it very well while still not furtint their other defensive assignments. BYU
will need to play a lot better to win the conference. By the way,
what is up with Davis.Oh, congratulation to Anderson. Great to see
Nice win Cougars, but that was not a good shooting performance tonight, 38
percent wont get it done most nights. Still they kept battling and found a way
to win and thats what great teams do in close games. Go Cougars!!!
Anybody who whines about refs calling fouls have a very week case in college
basketball. There are far too many violations ignored for the sake of
"letting them play".
Live HardAlways proving that you really don't know anything. The officials spent an extraordinary amount of time watching the video
of the elbow call and determined that it was an intentional foul. The USU coach
when asked about the call in the post game interview said himself that there was
a rule change for this year and that, based on the rule, the call was
correct.Thanks for your interest in all things BYU.By
the way, was that a junior college that Wyoming lost to yesterday?
I enjoy excuses and besides our free throw shooting the real excuse for the Ags
is the lack of size and depth inside. Bottom line we have Bendall our STARTING
center I think we win that game, still a close game but we still pull it out.I've often said BYU has better players but thank goodness for Stew who
gets more bang for his buck out of his players.Is Bendall coming
back or is his foot that messed up?
Does anyone know what happened to Davies tonight? He only played one
minute and didn't appear to have much energy.That was a tough game,
but the Cougars did well against such a tough opponent so early in the season,
especially while they're still breaking in several new players and returned
I also thought the officiating was particularly bad on both ends of the court.
Terrible no-calls and lots of calls for phantom fouls. It was really bad for
both teams. BYU was lucky to win this. Other players need to step up and
Jimmer has to quit forcing the shot unnecessarily. When he gets double- or
triple-teamed he needs to learn to pass to the open man. He should be able to
pick that apart mercilessly.I'd like to see Rogers get more time. He
played really well for the short time he was in.
As an Aggie fan in attendance for this game I though the officiating was bad
both ways, but the game didn't hinge on the foul calls at the end. The game
like it always does hinges on taking care of the ball and making free throws,
amongst other things. The cougars played well, I thought the Aggies played good
defense and controlled the tempo of the game well. My one question is this
though. Does Jackson Emery think he's Kobe Bryant with his shot fakes from the
3 point line and then trying to lean into the defender and draw the foul? Just
a thought and maybe no one will agree with me that it was ridiculous. Hopefully
both teams can have great seasons and win their big games, especially the Aggies
on Dec. 4th when they go to washington d.c. to play the Georgetown Hoyas.
Bad call that sent Wesley to the bench. I thought USU outplayed us. The cougs
weren't really in sync tonite but it's only the second game and I expect Rose
will have them well oiled as the season moves on. What's the deal with Davies?
We're still waiting for all that potential to come to fruition.
Perspective is a funny thing. Both sides feel they got worked by the refs.
When you take emotion out of the equation & look at the #'s the refs were
consistently inconsistent for both teams. That being said, the Wesley call was
huge! When you take off your partisian blinders & watch the play from a non
baised view, a few things become obvious:1-The rebound was in traffic and
contested2-Collinsworth reached in & had his arm wedged between
Wesley's body & the ball.3-Wesley stepped back, ripped his shoulders
through with his elbows pointed down to free himself.4-Wesley's elbows did
not make contact.Here's were perspective comes in:1-Could
Collinsworth been call for reaching in? Probably2-Did Wesley commit a
foul? Probably3-Could the refs have let the play go? Probably4-Is
it hard to believe an intentional foul was called when no contact wss made?
DefinetlyUSU fans, the Wesley call hurt, but the Ags buried
themselves by missing free throws.BYU fans, the Cougs deserved the
victory, they made more plays down the strech. But ask yourself how you would
have reacted if the roles were reversed?Perspective
Ogden Aggie, Tin Man, Live Hard,Hate to admit it but you are aright.
Wesley should have never been called for the elbows.I mean, as Stew
said, it's the correct call.But he should have fouled out earlier.
Not for too physical fouls, those no-calls ya deal with.Throwing
Jimmer to the ground, grabbing the jersey chasing the ball.Wesley
need to stay on the floor and not the bench. It hurts his team. Jonsie, calm the guy down, he needs to play basketball.Aggies,
stop complaining about the officiating. I think you got your share.===tron527 | 10:07 p.m. Provo, UT "Was the referee a BYU
alumni,(?)"According to the announcers, all three have called
Final Four and the lead ref had called a NCAA Championship game. Cheese with
your whine?===USU needs to hit front ends of one and
ones. BYU will win many more games this year because they can MAKE their
freethrows.But they will lose some unless they run a few more
sets.===Awe, Props out to the UofU football team. Carrying the
in-state water tonight for the school.Cheer up, Utes on the
schedule.Wesley is a stud.
Davies's problem is that he went to BYU where they woefully misuse their good
big men. If you can't shoot the 3, Rose doesn't want you! ;)Great
game though...too bad the zebras had to make their presence known so much
instead of letting the boys decide it. Regardless, both these teams will go
places this year.
Glad this one was played in the Marriott Center. USU will do well this season
and their fans will have a lot to continue whining about.
Love it when Utah State JC fans turn to cheers as their way of dealing with a
loss. The refs were terrible for both teams. Hard fouls weren't
being called and ticky tack fouls were called too often. @ Live
Hard: Utah State does have excellent defense and shut down lots of BYU inside
shooting, but most of the outside shots BYU took during the game were open and
missed; USU didn't take away much from the outside game because BYU did that
themselves. I want to finish up by saying Wesley's brother is better
and always will be.
Regardless of ref calls, it'd be the same outcome either way.BYU
No idea how anyone could say Wesley's flagrant was a bad call. The refs went to
the monitor and looked at in in slo mo to make sure they got it right. However,
it clearly was a game changer. It was a back and forth battle until the foul,
but BYU had the momentum from that point on. Too bad these two teams don't play
a home and home each year. I think BYU could have won in Prove last year, and
USU probably gets the win in Logan this year. Two evenly matched teams with a
lot of pride on the line. Great rivalry.Too bad the Utes can't play
at this level.
Bad calls!? Basketball is a game where too much of the outcome is determined by
the judgement of the officials, especially offensive fouls (charging) versus
blocking fouls. I have never been able to understand the difference and it seems
to vary from one official to another and from one league to another. Even who
the player is (has Kobe ever been called for an ofensive foul?) Football is a
much more pure sport in my opinion because there are fewer judgement calls made
by officials, with the exception of pass interferance. Part of the game is to
understand how the officials are calling the game and adjust play style. The
best player always do that well.
Great win for the Cougs! After watching the Lobos and Aztecs do great earlier
this week I look forward to a very good MWC schedule and some excellent
basketball. We still need to move the ball around more and secure the shot in
the paint. We are relying to much on the 3 pointer.
Cougars made a serious mistake not signing Wesley.
We all agree the officiating was horrific for both teams, but it evened out.
The bottom line is BYU made the plays down the stretch and USU did not. It
helps to have home court as well. To the person who said USU lost it and BYU
didn't win it, remember that BYU had to make their free throws to win. BYU
clearly won it in the last two minutes. Making a bunch in free throws in crunch
time is a sign of good players.
One thing is for sure:byu players spend a lot more time before the
game on their hair!!! I some some really cute styles out there. As
for Aggie fans whining??? That's a funny one coming from kittie fans. The
entire state knows byu has a corner on that market.Aggies make you
free throws as simple as that. It will help you overcome the bad calls. As for
the ref's doing final fours and NCAA championship games. I believe it.
Probably the year John Wooden won his first Championship!!!The call
before half time was a Harry & Lloyd classic. byu player goes over the back
on a missed byu free throw. UsU knocks it out as he gets pushed, mashed, and
FOULED. No call , but the ref correctly gives the ball back to usu saying it
went out on byu (smart move). Then Lloyd comes running in and says
"Harry, you have it wrong, it went out on USU"As fro
emery.....square up and shoot the ball. You look pathetic when you flail all
over the place.
Aggieforlife -- Yeah, I thought the Kobe Bryant moves of trying to draw the foul
at the three-point line were pretty ridiculous. But overall, glad to see the
Good job Jimmer. Tough call for USU but good job making it a game. Both teams
looking good. Best of luck to both of you this seaason. Go Utes!
@Tin Man:You set yourself up for a "sore" loss with all
your trash talk - in reality you're lucky the score was as close as it was. The
Cougars missed too many free throws and the overall shooting percentage was low.
Great game to watch until the very poor foul call on Wesley with two minutes to
go. That being said there was a clear foul on Noah H going to the rim on a
layup no call. The Wesley defensive rebound should have been a no call in my
Cougar opinion. It seemed to me that USU played harder and set the tempo, USU is
cleary a very good team this year. Also Wesley has shown that he is a great
player and that the Y made a Huge Mistake by not offering him as they did his
older brother. Not sure BYU is a top 15 team or a team that can make it to the
sweet 16 this year. They relay to much on the fast break and threes, and have a
suspect half court offensive, with no low post options. We clearly miss Miles
low post defense and JT's ability to stretch the floor. Jimmer will be a treat
to watch all year.
Good Win Cougars. Good game Aggies and hope you win on Georgetown.
Did I mishear the Aggie coach last night saying "the bad guys won"?
Maybe I heard it wrong, but if I didn't that seems like pretty poor
As an Unbiased Viewpoint the following facts must be looked at. Keep in mind I
have no leaning either way just looking at it from a 200 foot perspective.Score when the Wesley foul was called. BYU 72 USU 69. Final USU score
total 72 (note USU got a gimmie two free throws on Collinsworth fould out next
trip down). Foul or no foul likely would not have changed the
Mr. Mustard,You heard correct. Stewie said exactly that, "The bad
guys won." He seems to be a great coach of basketball but he could use some
training in communication and etiquette. I know because I too could use that. It
takes one to know one, and I am one of those classless fans so I should know.
Good win for BYU. When the NCAA selection committee decides on a seed, this win
will be a check in the "quality win" category.
Good win, BYU! Was very impressed with USU's execution. I think we saw to very
good teams battle it out on the court. @ Just Me: Thanks for the
laugh. Love how you call out BYU for whining as you continue your 5-paragraph
Great early season game that will give both teams plenty of film to school their
players. Enjoyed the cheering from the Aggies fans that were a few rows above
me. This game should have been a seal out. Shame on both schools for not filling
up the arena. Both teams played hard. Aggies missed way to many inside shots in
the first half, Cougars didn't react quick enough to Green 3s. Poor Jackson got
a few aggression fouls (refs were calling some plays very tight-of course its an
early game for them also). I agree his jumping into a player that has left his
feet trying to shoot a 3 is Kobie-like but he never got the call and both shots
were way off the mark so he should just shoot the ball normally. Overall good
performance to watch now on to Saturday. Play one game at a time.
Live Hard,Just more sour grapes. More cheese with that whine? The rule CLEARLY states that the player does not need to make contact with the
elbows for it to be an intentional foul. Certainly the referees know the rule
better than you and they looked at the replay for two minutes! They knew they
had to get it right since it was at a crucial point in the game and that it
would heavily scrutinized by everyone. Point is, they got it right, as much as
it may pain you. Man up and admit it and get over it. Stop sounding like a whiny
Hey Logan State... Now you know how it feels to be homecooked by the referees.
Whether it is multiple clock malfunctions or biased referees up in Logan, you
guys finally got a taste of your own medicine down at the Marriott Cultural
Center. Well played game, but an unfortunate ending. Both of these schools are
going to have good seasons.
It's a tough loss against a quality opponent. Hope that all those that thought
it would be a blow-out gained a little appreciation for Stew & Co. These
are clearly the best two teams in the state. The players of both teams know
they were in a dog fight.
Just remember that USU starting center did not even play. Could have had a big
impact for USU.
I knew this was going to happen. Whiney little Aggie fans blaming the refs. usu
only had one more foul called on them on the road. Unusual usually the home team
has more of a descrepency than that. I thought wesley should have fouled out
earlier. He should have had a technical in the first half when he clearly shoved
Fredette after a play. This game was close, because BYU shot the ball so poorly,
and usu had two roll players have carreer nights. BYU is definately still trying
to find their true identity this year. USU is very well coached. All BYU haters
always say BYU is overrated, but they have finished in the top 25 the last two
years and they'll do the same again this year, and with the rest of the year to
gel coach Rose will have the Cougars in a great spot to make a run in the NCAA
tourney. GO COUGS!!!!!
I thought this was a great game considering I predicted BYU would win by 15. So
I'm glad to see that I was wrong and that it was a hard fought fight. Both
teams played hard and I think both can have awesome seasons.I'm not
one to complain about officating, and I'm not going to start today. Besides, the
Aggies missed key shots and free throws down the stretch so the blaming
officating arguement has as much holes as swiss cheese. BYU finished the game
out fair and square and the call against Tai, frustrating as it was, is the
correct call according to the rules. But I'm proud of my Aggies for
hanging tough with a highly respected program in BYU. I really hope these two
teams come to a scheduling agreement soon as last night's game was really good.
RE: Utah ManShot clock violation? Serious still bitter about that
one? There is this thing called technology that showed definitive proof that
shot a couple of years aga was the right call. Frustrating glitch (or whatever
you call it) the proof was there.And although some Aggie fans are
complaining about the call. I'm not. I thought for the most part the officating
was pretty fair. There were bad calls both ways and when it comes down to it the
shots and free thows missed sealed the Aggies fate not the call.The
"Home cooking" goes to BYU (not the refs) for finishing out the
For those of you complaining about that call, just have one thing to say:Want some cheese with that whine?Calls happen in every game
that affect the game. Get over it. Even Wesley manned up and said he knew
about the new rule about throwing elbows and he made no excuses. Follow his
What a great game, especially for November...very entertaining and well fought
on both sides.
What I saw was a well played game. Utah State played catch-up most of the game
and the refs called a tight game on both sides. There is no shame for either
team and both should make the big dance. Both teams will lose to the Utes--(just
K as much as I was surprised that they turned the foul into an intentional, we
cannot blame the ref's for losing. BYU 's offensive boards and missing free
throws (including the front-end of 1 and 1's)did us in. I have a few friends
that are BYU students. The first thing they said to me was the ref's screwed the
aggies over and they outplayed us. He also said the atmosphere was better
than usual for a preseason game. So if he is right I am thoroughly unimpressed
with the Mighty Marriot. BYU fans on here always talk it up but it is nothing
compared to the Spectrum. He also said BYU students were very impressed with the
Spectrum on Wheels.
gus15,It hurts my feelings that you're not impressed with the
Marriot Center. I'll have to see the spectrum right away. The spectrum must sell
beer. Is there an Artic Circle close by?
USU has good players, but I think USU fans have an attitude problem that might
be reflected by the coach and the administration. I sat below the USU students.
They were very loud and that's great, but they were OBNOXIOUS and RUDE. Whenever
BYU sang their school song they tried to drown us out. When Byu shot a free
throw, they made rude sounds and if the BYU player made his first free throw
they erupted with "You still suck" repeated several times. I saw the
USU-BYU game last year and "Wild Bill" sat right behind BYU's basket
and made gross gestures with his obviously overweight body trying to distract
BYU'S players as they shot free throws. When asked about "Wild Bill"
Morrill gave a weak remark about his lack of concern and indicated it might help
them win games.My question is why doesn't USU or Coach Morrill have the
decency to at least register a concern and ask their fans to have more class???
RE TGR-BLUE,Whaa, Whaaaa,"Tried to drown us
out" How many vs how many?"Wild Bill's overweight
body" Well it's not as overweight this year - because he got sick and
What an exciting game to watch, how about Brian Green, what a ball player.@ TGR-BLUE,speaking of class, didn't BYU have up on their
scoreboard, after the game, something about "Dear Utah ST, enjoy the loss,
your big brother BYU." Did you hear about that?
The scoreboard thing is a myth. No message was derogatorily posted about USU.
If it was there would be a photo of it widely distributed, but it is just an out
and out lie concocted to make BYU look bad.Truth is BYU won a
tightly contested game between 2 really good programs. Kudos to both teams for
a hard fought game, and hopefully they will both make the NCAA tourney as
No, the scoreboard thing is real. Read the articles about it. I was sitting
behind the student who posted it and saw him as he was making it. Good game overall. Wesley's dunk in the first half was phenomenal and made
ESPN top 10. Jimmer started off on fire, but BYU needs to trust each other a
little more. Jackson trying to draw the foul calls on the 3's is a smart play,
but is only a foul if the player's falling on you and not if you're jumping into
him. Should have just repositioned for a clean shot on both of those plays. BYU
shoots poorly despite some good looks but still gets the grind it out win.
Idaho Guy:Your comments just go to show that fans like you believe
NOTHING bad could ever happen at byu.Wow. AND HOW would you know
its a myth? How would you know it's an outright lie CONCOCTED to make byu look
bad?Trust me...they do a great job ALL BY THEMSELVES!!!!
Just MeThe scoreboard thing was real, and, it really wasn't anything
to get your delicate feathers ruffled about. You've said plenty of stuff far
more insulting on this blog, than the mild blurb posted on the scoreboard for
about 5 seconds.Stop whining!