I support this bill and while we're at it, lets repeal the driving card we give
out to illegals!
If Utah appears as though they have become soft on Illegal Immigration the
message will quickly spread to newly arriving Illegal Immigrants and those
already residing Illegally in other states. It is evident that talk is being
frequently heard in Arizona that many Illegal Immigrants have decided to move to
Utah to escape the new Arizona law. There would be little to stop tens of
thousands of Illegal Immigrants looking for greener pastures from making Utah
their choice destination for residence. The guarantee for Utah is if you are
weak on Illegal Immigration you will likely be a recipient of mass Illegal
Immigration like you have never seen. Choose wisely...It will change your state
and it will change your future and not necessarily for the good.
If Americans use others identities, they are jailed and fined. A person I know,
had internet restrictions put on them also. Those here illegally are
being ignored. Do you think that's fair?
Amen to JJC16's comments. Lets be really clear if this is about
laws being broken, or if it is about people moving in changing our
"culture". If it is about laws, then that is one thing. Let Utah
crack down on all those who are breaking State tax and medicare laws. And let
the Feds crack down on those breaking federal laws. There is a lot of chatter
about how these illegal are breaking these laws, and so be it. But also crack
down on the non-hispanics who are doing the same. Crack down on all welfare and
medicare fraud.But you don't hear calls for that. You have targeted
laws intended on prosecuting these laws against a specific people. If Sandstrom
wants to clean up things so much, clean up these issues regardless of the
violators national origin. Even if every single illegal went home, does anyone
believe tax, medicare, and welfare fraud would go down by any significant
numbers? Really? These issues were here well before the illegals, and will
persist well after unless we attack these issues directly rather than just a
smoke screen thinly veiling other attitudes.
@Say No to BO: Ever heard of sales tax or gas tax? Those count as taxes too,
last time I checked. True, many illegal immigrants don't pay income taxes -- but
neither do people in Happy Valley (i.e. 4 kids, 30K per year). Faking a SSN is a crime, a much more serious one than crossing the border
illegally. If you want to crack down on all of the people who participate in
this, including native born citizens, I'm game. Again, lets punish
EVERYONE who evades taxes. Of course, this would be a bit more unpopular,
because it would involve some of your conservative, non-immigrant neighbors who
are contractors, construction workers, mechanics, etc. who accept payments
"under-the-table". Watch the uproar in the comment boards when the
"poor, hard working Bishop Johnson from Provo" gets slapped for income
tax evasion and welfare fraud because the Dad does auto body work for a living
and only takes cash while claiming no income and getting welfare for his six
Trying to shift blame from one problem to another will accomplish nothing. The presence of 12-20 million people here illegally, while we molest
people at airports, in the name of national security, is a farce. It's time for the world to know that America is going to play fair with
everyone, and not give preferential treatment to those who come here legally and
This is mostly a fake issue used to scare people. The illegal and legal
immigrants in the U.S. are good for the economy and the nation. The issue of
serious crime and real criminals has no correlation to immigration--legal or
illegal. Whenever the economy tanks, the conservatives blame the most recent
underclass in the U.S. Their rants and nonsense is tiring.
Mr. Sandstrom no comprende, doesn't he have other things to worry about?
Immigration is a federal business. I must wonder what really motivates him to
go after these unfortunate people.
I am wondering if the "illegal is illegal" crowd would call for
justice just as hard against tax cheats. These tax cheats affect the lives of
those who pay their taxes more then these illegals ever do. Because theses tax
cheats decide to take money under the table, falsify their income or deductions,
they cause the rest of the tax paying public to have to pay a much higher rate
of taxes.And yet no outcry asking for the federal government get
tough on tax cheats.It seems this has little to do with people not
paying taxes or being honest in their business dealings as under the table
payments "cash" payments have been the accepted business practices in
the trades for generations. Getting away with showing as little income as
possible has been an accepted and condoned practice.So we can stop
the illegal is illegal smoke screen. There are other valid issues around
immigration, but until we call for justice for all people cheating the
government, the arguments that they aren't paying taxes is a hollow one.
Count me as one of the thousands who have emailed Representative Sandstrom in
support of his bill.These Illegal Invaders show what they are all
about by the actions they demonstrated at the Capitol earlier this week.No thanks. It obviously works much better when we as a country
determine who we let in and who we keep out. Illegal aliens: you
are not wanted here. Go home.
Seemed like this was just shoved through before thinking about any consequences.
Just like Obama did with Obama care. Seems these politicians are all the same.
All about re-election and never about what is right. I hope and pray every day
that my wife who is legally here and Latina does not become a target because of
where things are going. I do not care for what either side have to offer. They
are both wrong. I like what the LDS chuch and other faiths did to set guidlines
of compassion. Sadly these politicians dont have any. Much is to blame also that
too many people support them. Republicans want to punish all illegals which is
wrong and Democrats want to give all illegals citizenship including criminals.
It is time government gets out all of our faces and allows us freedom to live
our own lives instead of anyone especially people born here to take advantage of
the system. Many lazy people who take advantage of government benefits hate
illegals because they want it all for their own. Neither party will get any
support or a single vote from me unless they chance. Not a chance!
I really admire Americans like Arturo Morales-Llan. I welcome all legal
immigrants like him with open arms.Looks like the ILLEGAL immigrant
supporters where showing there true colors at the rally.
For once, I'd love to see the people of Utah outraged at COMPANIES who hire
illegal immigrants, instead of bigoted rhetoric directed at illegal aliens. The
free market economy is to blame for this problem. If those who believe so dearly
in capitalism would realize that this (labor demands of capitalism) is what
drives illegal immigration, I'd be sympathetic to their concerns. Those who
support legislation such as Rep. Sandstrom's seem only to care about getting rid
of undocumented residents by deporting them. I'm for legal immigration, but I
think it's time that citizens of this country recognize the contributions and
hard work of the vast majority of those living and working here without proper
documentation, instead of focusing on the perceived burden to the State of
Utah's resources, or to the USA in general. Amnesty for all undocumented
inhabitants, except violent or otherwise serious law offenders, is the solution.
Deportation only puts off the inevitable and breaks up families. This bill from
Sandstrom is totally unnecessary and is clearly fueled by ignorance, prejudice
and fear. A stroke of the pen could change the status of millions of
undocumented into full-fledged citizens.
The sad thing about these bills are that they divide our country and do not
solve anything. The Governor of Arizona has not done anything accept to spread
some untruths and get votes. She has not allocated one penny towards enforcement
or jails. Those of you who feel these people are our fellow human beings, please
take the time to sign the Utah Compact.
Not a single politician can get it right on immigration. Do these people born in
Utah realise that many people born here take advantage of the system. Or are you
ignorant? Not all illegals are bad and not all of them take advantage of
the system. Our politicians and lazy people are to blame for our contries
problems. Any immigrant who come to the USA and pays taxes and is a good
person should be allowed to stay here. You have not been to their country.
They are here for a reason. My wife is a legal immigrant and many of you people
hate her only because she is Hispanic.
Addressing facts.Most illegals are paid in cash, but illegals that
do pay taxes, pay under someone's stolen identity. Yapias and Alvarez support
and help run covert operations to encourage illegal immigration and help set
them up with stolen identities so they can work once they're here. I'm looking
forward to reading about the bust of this criminal ring.Illegals
generally don't get government subsidies, yet we have revolutionized our
education system, drivers education, licensing programs, etc. in order to
accommodate. These are huge expenses.The only reason illegal
immigration is not a felony is because then we'd have to have them occupy our
prisons for coming here illegally when we just want them to go home.
The uncivil actions of the supporters of illegal immigration is just another
indication of their "entitlement" mentality. They are entitled to all
the benefits of living in the wealthy nation of America, even though they are
here illegally. Like a child who believes he is entitled to be spoiled and then
is told he must obey the rules, illegal immigrants throw temper tantrums and
accuse the grownups of being "mean and cruel." What we need on this
issue are grownups who exercise tough love.
Ya, leave it to the Feds....wait...that is why we are in the situation we are
in!!! The country has 10s of millions of illegals thanks to a federal
government who does as little as possible.The democrats want them in
because they think they like all the fraudulent votes they get and the prospect
of getting them amnesty. The dems love a good minority that can be controlled
by the government and manipulated for political purposes.Some of the
republicans love the cheap labor to keep the business interests supporting their
campaigns.When will you people realize there are very few
politicians that stand up for what is best for citizens and themselves.We need to enforce our laws. If you don't have laws you don't have much. Ask
Mexico. That is why they all want out--because of lawlessness and they continue
to gradually get worse.Our prisons are full of illegals and we all
pay the bill for public services for the freeloaders that aren't.Stop the madness and keep the illegals out.
The thing about this is, I know of too many "illegals" who get
deported and are back within a week. So yeah, follow Sandstrom's bill, deport
them all. It will buy you one week of freedom. We need to address the real
issue, take away the incentives for coming here. This idea of "round them
up and throw them out" is not the answer.
Illegals need to go back to their homes. They can then file the proper paperwork
and immigrate legally.It's a lie that they "pay" taxes.
You'll notice they never explain when or where they pay taxes. I guess when
they buy groceries they pay the 2% sales tax, when they buy gas they pay taxes,
usually it's several families in a home, so they spread that tax burden among
several families. I'm not sure how they get a loan being illegal, but, then
again that's just another straw that broke the housing markets back. They don't
pay income tax, fica, medical, they do collect social security, medicaid....so
the $1000 we collect off of a family does not offset the $100,000 in medical
costs. That's a burden we can't afford. A birth could cost $40,000+, surgery on
top of that.....just a couple incidents in a family they have stolen more from
citizens than they have contributed to society.
The Utah Con-pact is merely a public demand by our elites to do nothing.
Sandstrom is asking that we join with Arizona and a host of other states to move
away from providing magnets for illegals. Portions of the Arizona law were set
aside by a liberal court. The appeals process will take it to the Supreme Court
which will probably rule in Arizona's favor. While millions of Americans are
out of work, we are pandering to illegals? Is that compassion? If Americans
won't do these jobs, then explain why a good share of the same jobs are held by
Americans? Many illegals are not just working low-income jobs, by the way. The
abuse also permeates legal "guest workers" where H-1B visas are used
to push Americans out of work in favor of lower-paying foreign workers.
Kudos to Arturo Morales-Llan, who came here the RIGHT way and considers himself
and AMERICAN and not a mexican. If more voices of like his were heard from the
immigrant community, saying that not all illegals are LA RAZA racists that are
here to turn this country into a lawless gangland like mexico, I think we could
have a much more civil dialog on the immigration debate, and there would be much
less resentment of the hispanic community. Illegals coming here and getting so
many free entitlements from the taxpayers for their anchor babies is unfair to
ALL legal American citizens, regardless of what race or ethnic group they belong
to.Mr. Sandstrom, you do have the overwhelming support of the
majority of law abiding legal Utah citizens. Not all of us have the time to
stand around the capitol building with signs (we actually hold jobs), but we
still stand with you and the legislation you are proposing.
I am sick of people like Tony Yapias crying about this bill "breaking up
families". If a child was born on American or foreign soil to
illegal parents, those parents have EVERY right and opportunity to take that
child home with them when they're deported, because that child has something
called (gasp!) DUAL CITIZENSHIP in both countries!! Problem instantly solved! No
families broken up; everybody stays together.I commend any parent
trying to make a better life for their child. However, these illegal parents
need to also take full accountability for the fact that the instant they dragged
their children across the border without authorization or had children after
they crossed into the US, they WILLINGLY CHOSE TO TAKE ON THE RISKS OF BREAKING
THE LAW. They knew what they were doing; they weren't drugged, bound and gagged
and dragged over the border against their will.There must be
accountability. We cannot and will not forget that. This is why I support
Sandstrom's bill. He is the only voice of reason in this debate!!!
When the Attorney General of Utah, the agent of the state to decide Federal and
State Law Constitutional conflicts, agrees to take a softer approach, how can
Mr. Sandstrom be so hard-headed. The same concepts he proposes were carefully
reviewed and overturned in Arizona. A careful review of actual Judges opinion
reveal the appropriate analysis of Consititutional law, and when federal law
should pre-empt state law. He seems a little head strong. Thanks
Go Sandstrom! You have the support of the majority!Seriously...Sandstrom for Governor!
America has been asking for enforcement for years. It's time our leaders
listened to us. We need to eliminate laws such as drivers privileged
cards, and in state tuition that encourage people to come here illegally. Giving
entitlements to those from other countries doesn't help the situation.
Especially when someone from Wyoming, Idaho or Nevada has to pay full price. We also need to go after business. They are destroying America for their
own selfish gains. What kind of country are we leaving our children? Are we
teaching them that breaking the law is OK for some? We need
transparency. We need to know who those who break the law are, and not let them
hide in the shadows. Fines and mandatory E-Verify is a must.
The pictures you chose to feature speak volumes as to where your position is on
illegals. You ignored any of the signs that supported Rep. Sandstrom, some of
which very very eloquent and contain the truth! Shame on you. Something this
tilted, by a newspaper, is very concerning! Why did chose to display one side
of the issue and not the other? We deserve an explanation.
"Illegal immigration is killing the middle class who have to work for a
living."Amen brother. Those middle class people working at
McDonalds just can't compete for these jobs anymore. And those nice middle
class jobs mowing lawns, cleaning hotel rooms, washing dishes and bussing
tables... vanished! Hispanics have been taking our middle class farm labour
jobs for years... unthinkable.I will admit, foriegn labor has
devistated the construction industry... and that is a hard nut to crack. But a
large percentage of jobs being taken by these people are on the extreme low end
of the pay scale - not middle class.Illegal immigration is a big
problem. We have had these types of workers showing up on these shores for
hundreds of years. The demand for this type of labor never went away.
"Middle class" america became uncomfortable with all these other
cultures, and passed laws to stop it. Issue is, the demand for these people
never went away, and probably never will.We can stick with
illconcieved laws, or fix the problem. This bill isn't it. We need a real
visitor worker program so they can come, work, pay taxes, then go home when
Good for Sandstrom! The illegals should go and the liberals who support them
should be deported to California!
So, its seems that we need a complete overhall of the federal immigration
system. The current Federal system failed and the states are paying big time for
it. The Middle class and Sub middle class are bearing the burden of illegal
immigration right now. Dont get me wrong, we are all for LEGAL immigration,
immigrants helped shape this great nation we live in., but giving amnesty to
illegals just because we cant solve the problem is not the awnser. If you want
citizenship, do it the right way. We are not going to be able to deport the 11
million plus illegals in this nation. So if you are illegal and want
citizenship, you have to pay all state and local and federal back taxes and pay
a fine and throw in some community service. If you want to be in this country
and get the privileges of this great nation, learn to read, write, and for
goodness sake, speak ENGLISH. Immigration needs a huge overhall in order to
prevent this from happening. It is sad that the states have to take matters into
their own hands because the Feds can't rule their way out of a paper bag.
jjc16, I believe your information is misinformation.1) How is someone
being paid in cash by his employer classified as a taxpayer?2) Getting
benefits is easy; you just use the same fake SSN you used to get a job.3)
Since when is document forgery and/or tax evasion considered not breaking the
law?Be strong, Sandstrom. Just like the youth hymn suggests. Even if you
have to stand alone for what is right.
Git er done Rep.Sandstrom. I am one of thousands who did not go to his office. I
do support his bill.
All immigration is too high. The debate is too narrowly focussed on
economic impacts of immigration on the U.S. If immigration was good for the
economy, then California would not be bankrupt. It would be booming as it has
the most immigrants. Immigration is, rather, about the political
and economic goals of those pushing immigration. Certain proponents
see immigration as a way to create political power for themselves and, for some,
to ultimately erase the borders completely in favor of larger supranational
governing structures. Others see it as a way to enrich themselves
through the sabotaging of the American workforce. Immigration into
the U.S. is no one's right. It is the right, however, of the
citizens of this nation to determine if we want reduced immigration. Our leaders are clearly telling us to jump in a lake on this issue. Who are
they really serving?
There is absolutely a rational disconnect here. This will cost money - where
will it come from? I think we're looking for someone to blame for the
shortfalls in budgets, etc. during this economic downturn, and illegals are an
I support Rep. Sandstrom in his efforts and his bill. I also support the words
of Mr. Morales-Llan. As for Yapis's statement that the "illegals benefit
more than they cost"-I don't think so. I have never heard Yapis make a
statement supporting other ethnic groups, rather only his ethnic group. Strikes
me as discriminating compassion. Also never a word of compassion about the
millions from all over the world waiting for years to immigrate in a legal
Go Sandstrom. Get it done.
Let's do the numbers. Assuming there are 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S.,
and 400,000 are deported each year (as noted, that's up from previous years and,
according to ICE, is near the max given current funding), then it would take
about 30 years to deport those who are presently here, assuming no increase, but
of course there would be an increase from more coming in, so it would take even
longer to deport them all.But Sandstrom and his supporters never
talk about how to pay for the increased enforcement costs that would certainly
be needed to accelerate the rate of deportations. Nor do they discuss what
would happen if existing law enforcement efforts are diverted to address this
problem. Why? Because they are all for cutting government spending and
reducing taxes. Somehow there is a rational disconnect here.
I've heard it said the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing
and then expect different results.Why does Mr. Sandstrom think the
result for the Utah law would be any different than in Arizona.Actually I think he knows the result won't be different. If the law passes,
the feds will fight and win in over turning it. Utah will spend scarse money in
the process. Those who fought for this law will become more popular.
The comments and praises above (Sandstrom for Governor?!?!?)prove one thing to
me: this entire thing is about Sandstrom, period. The state's biggest ego.
It was not very compassionate to yell and scream at the lawmakers.
If the compact specifically exempted illegal immigration, I would sign it also.
Instead it tries to infer that those who are against illegal immigration, are
against all immigration.Utah cannot deport people. But we do pay
$600 million for every 100,000 children that are in our education system.
Illegal immigration is very costly to the US taxpayers. And it bring a small
benefit to those businesses that prefer to be on the public dole, than hire
Americans. Asking people to come here legally is such a simple
I noticed no group disrupted the compacts signing at the Capitol.
Rep. Sandstrom is continuing ahead because he believes this is best for us.
Bless him for doing what he thinks best. Some of us disagree, however. I
wouldn't mind being among the thousand who email him hoping he does not proceed
with the bill. So, will do so after posting this comment. I also hope to find
his bill online, to read just what it says. Who knows but what I might support
it, if I read it, but I doubt it.There might be wisdom in the sign
that said, "Fund education, not deportation." I don't know how much
state funding goes toward deportation, if much at all. But I do know education
should be the priority over chasing refugees out of the country who simply want
to be Americans and live amongst Americans.
Interesting to see how "lies" are spewed in order to support this
laws. Support the laws that you feel like supporting, just don't do it based on
misinformation. Immigrants, legal or illegal PAY taxes through the various means
that we are all taxed, it's not like citizens are given "SPECIAL TAXES for
education and therefore those "special taxes" pay tuition lol, if you
believe so I invite you to take Political Science 110 :)
Sandstrom's my hero--as long as he doesn't cave to pressure being put on him by
the Powers That Be, which many of us know is happening.
Whatever you think should be done about illegal immigration, lets at least stop
spreading misinformation about some things here. Illegals: 1. Do pay
taxes (sales, gas, property, etc.) 2. Don't usually qualify for government
assistance (unless their child is a citizen, in which case the child qualifies,
not the parents) 3. With the exception of the original immigration violation,
don't break the law. Btw, the immigration violation is not a felony, placing it
in about the same level of severity as you getting drunk in public or punching a
guy who swears at your kids.
There is a bit of dishonesty in the language people are using. The Federal law
that Arizona is enforcing was written in 1940, not a good time in American
history for our treatment of individuals who happen to of been different from
us. The law has not been enforced since 1967. There are many old laws on the
books that we no longer enforce because our country has out grown them. No one
is for illegal immigration, but we need an immigration system that is not so
badly broken that it realistically cannot be enforced and does not meat the
needs and values of our great country. I know that many good people do not
understand that the websites they get their information from have ties to white
supremacy groups. We need to be able to look at the situation and talk about
real solutions; enforcement is only one of the things that need to be done to
solve this problem. Enforcement against a particular race is not the answer.
Chris Cannon and Bob Bennett are gone, due in large part to their stance on
illegal immigration. We will continue to vote those out of office who do not
listen to the will of the people. Illegal immigration is killing the middle
class who have to work for a living.
Not to confuse anyone with facts, but illegal immigration is down under
increased enforcement by President Obama, and Federal deportations of illegal
criminals is up. The Feds are putting more resources into this, and it's
showing results. That doesn't fit in too well with Sandstrom's bandwagon, but
it's the truth. Maybe if we could stop making decisions based on emotion, and
look at facts, we could be more effective in solving our country's problems.And the really chilling thing is that hate seems to be the predominant emotion
here--no matter how people try to clothe it in "justice" or
No compromise on Sandstrom's bill!Pass it the way he wants it, which
is hard on criminals, and to protect us from illegal criminals, both the violent
drug dealers and the less dangerous trespassers stealing government services!If the feds will not enforce the law, then Utah must.If the
feds will not take illegals detained in Utah jails, then deliver them directly
to Senator Hatch's office, or the U.S. Attorney's office, or even the illegal
loving Chief Burbank's offices. Tell all of these folks that the citizens of
Utah expect them to house, feed and educate the illegals at their individual
expense, not the taxpayers.After a few hundred illegals get
delivered that way, maybe they will convince ICE to take them from the jails
after all.Sandstrom for Governor!
No compromise on the Sandstrom immigration bill. It must be adopted promptly!
I hope Rep.Sandstrom stands strong and moves forward with the bill.How can our
elected officials promote breaking the law or as many say the Law of the Land. I
have compassion for the legal immigrants but not to any that are here illegal
and demand we give them the same benefits that we have worked our lives for. I
know many that support Rep. Sandstrom, they are far more than the so called
compact belives. They are not loud and come out in numbers but they are there
and when the time comes many of the elected officals will see their numbers.
These include many church members that are against the illegal immigrants
gaining benefits that they have not earned. The compact only encouraging more
to come to Utah to enjoy our sanctuary state. I will put the effort and money
into removing elected oficials who promote that Utah opens the door to illegal
immigrants. Legal yes lllegal no.
Sandstrom for Governor in my book! Keep it up and let's take our state back from
the loudmouths and illegals who are screaming for non-enforcement. Let's pass
the law and those yelling the loudest will have to do so from Mexico next year.
When the Utah CON PACT was unveiled no one shouted at them, the mood was
respectful and subdued. It shows you who these people are, we need to send them
a message by sending them home!!
Everyone I know supports Sandstrom! We are sick of the fed sitting on their
collective and collecting a paycheck and doing nothing to protect our
borders....if we don't protect our border....the border will come to us!
Good job, Rep. Sandstrom! The insanity has to stop if we're going to survive
and not devolve into another 3rd-world country. If people want to be
charitable, let them be charitable by helping people transform their OWN nations
and cultures--not sapping the vitality out of ours; strength never did come from
weakness. And realize that there will always be those who are totally unable to
see reality for what it is.
Bien Hecho Sandstrom!
Compassion - this is implies there are at least two sides involved - and it
should be applied equally on both sides.The concern here should be
the compassion, or lack thereof, that the illegals have towards the law abiding
citizens of Utah.The illegals obviously don't have any compassion
for the taxpayers. They EXPECT to have instate tuition in our schools. They
EXPECT to have our laws and public notices published in their native language,
etc.Where is the compassion in that????
THANK YOU, Representative SandstromFor taking your oath of office
seriously, and listening to the 80% of Utahns who like to see laws enforced and
jobs going to actual Utah citizens.
I'm calling Sandstrom's bluff--show us the "thousands and thousands"
of emails you received. I think he's lying about the emails--after all, he IS a
politician.And if only 80 real, live people actually show up to
support him, I'm guessing that if there are actually "thousands and
thousands" of supporters, they're too ashamed to actually show up in public
with cameras around.