Mariposa - Sorry I don't believe your comment that school districts spent the
money already - what information do you have to prove your statement?Redshirt - and if the school districts would have refused the money how would
the legislature have rectified the $50 million shortfall in education? Of
course, but short changes education once again, that's right. Our legislators
are just as greedy with federal dollars as anyone yet they play this game of We
don't want your money but here is my pocket so please fill it.
Education is rather a simple procedure. We have really made it complicated and
grossly expensive. Legislators, law makers, and school districts form meetings
figuring out how to spend more. No matter how much money goes into education,
there will always be a need/want for more.A trillion seconds equal
32,000 years and our country is in debt fourteen trillion dollars. Let's cool it
with the spending. There are many ways to cut the budget without laying off
To the liberals and other of your ilk. You claim to want freedom for
individuals, yet all you really want is to impose your will on those that may
choose differently.The article, in speaking of the Federal
resolution, stated "And the resolution states that if lawmakers didn't take
the funds, the U.S. Department of Education will give the money directly to Utah
school districts "in a violation of the classic principles of
federalism." "So, if the legislature said no, the
districts would have received the money anyway. Personally, I think the
lawmakers should have said no, and sent a message to the country.
Funny how money creates greed and deception. A voice of warning!
Never allow a government to control education.
Do we have the best highway system in the US right here in Utah? When I travel
to Arizona or California, the highways look much better, ride better, and don't
seem to have nearly as much on-going construction as we have here in Utah. I think we have been told by legislators that our roads are the best in
the nation...but that is simply not true. I also feel that
legislators love to brag about how efficient we are at educating our kids. We
spend the least amount of money and provide great education. Well, that is also
not true. Test scores show that our kids are not performing as well anymore.
Scores are dropping. I believe the only thing keeping scores at their current
level is the good support that parents provide teachers. Imagine
how great our education system could be if we provided the means to reduce class
sizes, actually pay teachers so they can survive financially (not be rich, just
survive), and generally improve schools! And with the help of parents we
wouldn't have to be in the top 10 spenders. We could do it as #40!
Our renowned senators,specifically but not limited to Buttars and Stephenson,
again top the "Richter scale" of absurdity when stating baseless
claims that federal stimulus money dedicated to education and educators is
equivalent to undertaking sinister dealings while snorting crack cocaine, pushed
by the "Feds"Give us all a break, your rhetoric is an
embarrasement to common sense.
To Mariposa: The bad guys are the hypocrites that we have voted into the
legislature and NOT the districts. The school districts, even if they had not
planned for the money would have received it anyway. There are school districts
in this state that did not PLAN for the money but now that it is coming they are
going to put it to good use so please...get your facts straight. As to needing
proof that they money was going to the school districts directly...it has been
in every article concerning this money since day one. Jeepers. Please.....read
the paper before you post.
Utah Dem, smokers played right into their hands. They are diverting money from
education (smoking tax) to roads (gas tax). Brilliant for your garden variety
Utah lawmaker, since most of them are not usually that brilliant. MariposaXochipilli, if Utah funded education better, they wouldn't be inclined
to take money from the Federal Government. Granted the districts could use a
little culling on the job front, but not as much as the legislature seems to
want them to cut while still being able to function.The NJ govenor
turned down the money because he was basically writing a blank check on the NJ
state account to complete the tunnel. The state of NY didn't want to up for any
of the money & everyone could live without the tunnel. He made the correct
decision. Whish Utah legislators could actually discern when to not take $$
& when to. They seem to have it all backwards.
How ironic. I wonder how many conservative Utahns held their noses as they
cashed the Bush $500 checks he sent to everyone (except a few like me who made
too much). I am sure that was completely different and those funds were as pure
as the driven snow.Were noses being held when Utah State used
federnal monies for the "Reading First Program"?Did the
state legislature choke on the $4.2 million in federal stimulas funds they used
to build the bridge down in Santa Clara?Was the state legislature
brought to their knees when the state accepted $1.725 BILLION in federal funds
for I-15 impruvements?I am sure just looking at themselves was hard
to do after the state accepted federal funds for the Frontiers Program for
childhood mental health.And I am sure it was a sick fest when the
state used $10 million in federal money to fund the Utah Housing Corporation.This list goes on and on.But this is different though. This
time it is usurping the constition. This time it is dirty money. The word Republicans are looking for is "integrity"... they seem to
have lost theirs.Political grand standing!
People are ignoring the real bad guys here ... legislators had to take the money
because irresponsible school districts have already spent it. Blaming the
federal government makes no sense this time. Schools took this to the court of
public opinion instead of holding themselves to their budgets like eveyone else
has to. We've been given no proof the federal government would have given
the money directly to school districts ... which any school district could have
politely declined so as to not increase the debt to our progeny. Put blame
where blame is due ... on those who spent the money before they had it and are
forcing the rest of us to cover their backsides because of this little victim
act they've perfected.
Just goes to show you that money can still buy votes!
The $101 million is for education jobs. Many of you are saying it should go
directly to students/classrooms, etc., but it will go toward rehiring some
laid-off employees or incentives or bonuses...What offends me the
most is that the Legislature will fill the education shortfall with half of the
money and they will replace the $6 million shortfall in tobacco sales. If
residents in Utah are buying tobacco products out of state of just buying less
tobacco products why should those lost revenues be replaced?
I find it ironic that the Utah Legislature is complaining about the Federal
government taking away their authority & decision making ability - when this
is exactly what the Utah Legislature has been doing to local entities in Utah
over the last few years.
How about EARMARKS??? They go directly to the person, company or project for
which the are procured from the Federal government WITHOUT going to the
legislature for approval and distribution. Why no condemnation of that practice
from Wimmer, Lockhart, Butters and Valentine???
Sad that the feds have to side step our OWN LEGISLATURE in order to get the
money to our kids and their teachers where it belongs.This from the
guys that paid $13,000,000 to a contractor for doing NOTHING.Yeah
nice job guys. Let's call ourselves the best managed state again
and send out kudos to everyone.
'Utah legislature accepts $101 million in federal money'
....shocker! We all knew this was going to happen. Despite the
claims of protest and 'financial conservatisim'... we see the same
in Utah, every year.
Only a portion of it is going toward education, they say they are covering the
states shortfall of 50 million, I would be ok with that if that did not include
their 13 million in paying off a contractor to keep quite. And yet the have yet
complained about road and medicaid money. Priorities??We have the nations
best road system and are dead last in education funding, there is something real
shaddy going on, this is the effect of the one party system in this state.
It never ceases to annoy reasonable thinking people that every time the
Republican party opposes a piece of legislation or government program etc., they
can't restrain themselves from attaching some sort of derogatory name to
whatever it is they're against such as "funny money,"
"obamacare" etc., etc., etc. as a way to ridicule their opponents.
They cannot just debate issues as reasonable adults; they have to resort to
calling names and using childish measures.
For years, Utah has received high marks for equity in education. The feeling is
"Look what we have done with so little," so instead of understanding
that perhaps a little more teacher pay and technology in the classroom will
help, the legislature tries to work its way around funding education by any
means possible.Spending is not ever the only answer to fixing
education, but if the legislature would devote a little more time and money to
making Utah more appealing to prospective teachers, we might see more teachers
willing to stay in Utah and not forced to:a) spend so much of their
own money in the elementary classroom, and,b) hold down part-time
summer job to earn a livable wage.c) find a much higher paying job
in neighboring states. (Well, at least in Nevada)d) feel as if the
people of Utah appreciated what it takes to be a public school teacher.
Education debacle. The real benefactors of this money will not be in education,
it will be in foreign job creation.Does anyone really beleive that a
$101 million dollars will be put in to education? They call education a priority
but the only thing it is a priortity for is to divert and spend education funds
on non education projects and call it an educational experience.The
funny money will end up in funny spending.States have an obligation
to stop greed from clouding their judgment and putting this country in to
further financial disasters. If they can't see that then we have the wrong
people in our government and education.
I think EJM hit it on the head. If this were a road construction project they
would accept the money and celebrate. But how dare them send us money for
education. It really does show us how much our legislature values education.road project = investment in utahs futureeducation = a waste of
money our children will have to pay forMessage received loud and
To Fair Park - in NJ the fed money did not fund the whole project, it was
correct for Christie to say no. Here, what happens when those funds are gone.
Accepting the money just 'kicks the can down the road'. And NJ is not the only
state to say no to partially funded fed projects.
Even more interesting is the legislatures plan to usurp half of the money to
make up for last year's budget shortfall. This money is meant for the hiring and
compensation of teachers. Who are they hiring or compensating with last year's
debt? They are accepting this money to keep it from going where it is intended.
This is not an issue of States' Rights; it is an issue of political greed for
which teachers and students have to suffer.
Really...you hit it on the head!! The legislature really dislikes teachers,
I think a new law needs to be passed requiring all legislators spend one week
teaching in a Utah public school each year. It would be hilarious to watch what
An interesting thought just occurred to me. The state of Utah is dead last in
per pupil spending in the united states. The members of the Utah state
legislature are largely educated in the state of Utah Schools. Is there a
correlation between the funding of students in the state of Utah and the lack of
thoughtful intelligent legislation coming from the Utah state legislature??Are we as citizens of the state of Utah reeping what we have sown!!!
Does the word hypocrite mean anything to these guys?And in NJ, the return
of the money meant for a tunnel/infrastructure improvements generating thousands
of jobs, will cost both NJ and New York dearly..but if that what
"principles" mean, so be it. I did think the Republics were for job
I suspect the real problem with the legislature is they can not control the
money for their own pet projects. They would rather see 1,600+ teachers lose
their jobs and class room size increase. Of course if this money came from a
Republican President, then it would be a different story.
Just tell me where you can go to find out who voted and how. I am amazed that
people want to use THIS situation as being the one to stand on
"principle" when they have been unwilling over the last 20 years to
stand on "principle". It is amazing how all of a sudden our
legislators develop consciences where it comes to accepting/refusing federal
money. If it was for a road construcion project (do we need to go back to
before the Olympics and look at how much federal $$ we accepted for the I-15
rebuild?) then no problem. Since it is for public education and how the
majority on Capitol Hill feel about public education then they get their dander
up. It is embarrassing and hypocritical.
The problem is that when the funny money dries up, then what does the state do?
Should of said - No thanks like Gov. Christie of New Jersey.
dalep2u,since we will have to pay for the BO's wastefull porkulus
whether we take any of the money or not, we may as well take it. If opting out
of accepting porkulus money meant we also opted out of having to help pay for
it, I suspect our legislature would have opted out.
It's interesting to note how some begin to talk out of the other side of their
pie hole when dollar bills are being flashed. In accepting such a grant, we
will be forced to abide by precepts which will be forthcoming. During the last
century, this concept would be accepted as a blessing from either party,
however, from the democrats this landfall will only aid and abet the
liberalization of America and further diminish our integrity. We must learn to
live within our budget or invite those who can't to move on.
In fairness, they didn't actually want to take the money. If they
are so worried about deficit spending, they should stop all these federally
funded road projects. I know (gasp) to even suggest the sacred cow interstates
are costing everyone too much money is practiaclly blasphemy in Utah.Maybe if Utah employers actaully paid living wages, the problem would resolve
Love that GOP integrity.Vote against the Stimulas but take the