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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 16 2010 10:27 p.m. MST

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EJM
Herriman, UT

I find it amazing that Carl Wimmer won't stay and vote where his conscience says he should. He must be going out on behalf of the Patrick Henry Caucus. Give me my speaking engagement fee or give me death.

EJM
Herriman, UT

Representative Wimmer should stay home and vote. If he feels this strongly about the issue stay home, vote it...lead the charge. But he won't. It is better to take a posture than to put your money, and your vote, where your mouth is.

  • 5:59 p.m. Nov. 16, 2010
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Charles History
Tooele, UT

Please help us!

I do not want the Utah GOP speaking for me, I do not want any more state rights that this state would support. We need more federal government to save the sane populations of Utah, (maybe some of those unstable conservatives too).

Every few years there is a state-up-rising about state rights, (states get upset when the Federal government tries to help them see the light); the civil war, equal rights for all are some of the examples that come to mind.

Some of our Utah conservatives will destroy before they admit they are wrong.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Bravo to the Republicans in the Legislature for being concerned about this scheme.

The best thing we can do for our kids is to not saddle them with another $100 million in debt (plus interest)! Too bad the Democrats cannot see that.

It is wrong for Utah to give in to the forced spending of money, and even more wrong for the feds to usurp the state's rights by going behind the Legislature's back and giving money direct to districts.

Stop the spending! We cannot afford it!

  • 6:01 p.m. Nov. 16, 2010
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jp3
Salt Lake City, UT

I say it's high time to take a political stand at the the expense of our children. Bravo, GOP legislators!

jans
Pickerington, OH

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I read it, it sounds like the state planned on accepting the federal funds anyway? So are they just mad that the feds said they will send the money direct to the districts to spend if the state decides it won't accept the funds, even though Utah is planning to accept the funds?

Lifelong Republican
Orem, UT

The very sad part of this whole mess is that our state legislature has put us in the predicament. If they wouldn't have been so "tax-cut" happy a few years back when times were good, we could be on solid ground for education funding. Now instead we have to act like a whiny brat saying we'll take the money but we won't like it.

Even sadder is the feds see what a mess our education funding is in so they draft a proposal that has to completely side step our state legislature because they know the "conservatives" would find some way to divert the money away from our school children like they ALWAYS do.

To those saying we shouldn't take it, yes let's send our portion back so they can give it to California so they can promote more of the liberal agendas.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for continuing to elect these guys that think public education is the lowest of priorities. Roads and tax cuts are more important. Not to mention mcmansions and SUVs.

Pathetic.

JMT
Springville, UT

If we hadn't cut so many taxes way back when? If you look at other states that are going through massive budget mayhem it is precisely because they did NOT cut taxes.

Bare with me.

All 50 states have a balanced budget requirement, unlike the Federal government. By cutting taxes over the years Utah did not increase spending. This means that now when tax receipts are much lower we are having to cut spending far less than other states that grew government during the robust years. They grew government when the people needed it the least and are now paying for it big time. Many other states are having to cut spending or raise taxes by billions!

The irony of the Left (both parties) there is no limit to growth in government. During good times, grow government. In bad times, grow government. They feel that all money made is governments to spend and only greedy people would deny the omnipotent government the ability to spend, spend, spend.

We are in tough times and the rest of the world cuts spending, but the Left in America, Utah and the GOP insist on more spending. It never ends for them! Never!

GWB
West Jordan, UT

DN Subscriber, you say "The best thing we can do for our kids is to not saddle them with another $100 million in debt (plus interest)! Too bad the Democrats cannot see that."

By youir logic, we should rapidly outlaw all student loan programs. After all, if a little debt is not a good exchange for a better education, then how can we justify letting kids take out $30-100,000 in loans for a college education?

Also, the magnitude of this debt is small, $100 million spread across the 300 million people of this country means that each person has a whopping 33cents to repay for keeping the kids of Utah in smaller classes where they can get a better education. I'm willing to pay a whole dollar!

If you are talking about saddling kids with debt, how about the $800 billion (8,000 times more debt) that was put on them for a war in Iraq that was a farce. How about not extending tax cuts on the richest 2% of our people that is going to require $700 billion (7,000 times more than the 100 million you complain about).

Which make a bigger difference?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank you state legislators for trying to get the message to the Federal government that this method of funding education is an obscene method of just wasting money they do not have. GWB just a 100 million here and 100 million there does not amount to much except that kind of thinking adds up to 13.5 Trillion in national debt. Could not agree more with you about the unnecessary cost of an unnecessary war, but then our current administration has only increased this problem with their Afghan initiative. Oh, please remember the 700 billion of the richest American's money is not an expenditure. It is an unnecessary taking of money by an out of control federal government.

williary
Kearns, UT

Typical Utah Republicans. They will take the $101,000,000 because they decided to give tax cuts to Utahn's years back during good times, instead of saving for the future. But they will pass a resolution saying they really don't want to take the money.

Hypocrites. Take it, or don't. Stop the political games that this country is all to much about. Refuse the money, lay-off more teachers, maybe close some schools, but at least stand by your principles. But you won't, because it sounds much better to appear tough, rather than act it.

Ron Hilton
Holladay, UT

The "conservative" Utah legislature that is so routinely vilified by some should be thanked for their fiscal responsibility that has made Utah the best-managed state and spared us from the fiscal catastrophe that it facing the likes of California and New York. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 20 years before moving here 4 years ago. For those who think the political grass is greener over there, go live there for a while and experience the dysfunctional economy first-hand. I think you'll be more than happy to put up with a little occasional "states-rights posturing" as you put it after experiencing the alternative. As for the $101M in stimulus money, for the legislature to accept it is a rubber-stamp at best, and at worst it makes the legislators complicit in an unconstitutional expansion of federal power. And what do we do the following year when the "stimulus" money is gone? Cut teacher headcount or pay? Raise state income taxes? California, here we come!

GWB
West Jordan, UT

So "Hellooo" if you say that the 700 billion "is an unneccessary taking of money", what exactly would you cut to make up that $700 billion dollars?

Would you cut the defense budget, which was $533.8 billion in 2010. That means a 15% cut would result in a savings of $800 billion and offset those tax cuts completely.

Oddly enough, the Republicans in Congress steadfastly refuse to consider cuts to the defense budget, which makes up over 20% of the budget.

What next, do you want to cut your parent's social security payments?

Please be detailed and specific about exactly what you would cut to make up the $700 billion in those "unnecessary takings"?

ABITOUTSIDE
Ephraim, UT

I have noticed they did not have a special session for the money from the federal government for road construction. I wonder if is because the schools don't provide under the table kickbacks?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

GWB I am fine with a cut to the defense budget. I am sure there is least 30% that can be cut from every budget in the federal government. And, I will even take a 15% cut in my Soc. Security. It is simple to balance the federal budget, estimate the income (they already do this) and make the expenditure fall within this measure, minus 10% to make a payment toward lowering the debt. It isn't that difficult to do, every one that balances their budget does it every day.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

The Feds give the States the money to lessen the impact of the great recession on education (as part of the stimulus). Education is one of the biggest expenses that States face and nationwide most Americans are concerned with the direction of school results long term. The money comes to the States to divide according to each States individual needs and situations as long as they use it for education. Now if Utah's legislators didn't have the limitation "it has to go to education", what are the odds they would spend it that way even though they give lip service to the need? Hence, the Feds say if you don't want it to go to education, then we will bypass you and give it direct to school districts' directly. What chutzpah to hold the States feet to the fire? I don't see the problem there like I do in the hypocrites in our legislature. Many thanks to the Federal government for saving us from ourselves!

Winglish
Lehi, UT

On behalf of my children, thank you to those responsible for directing this money to education. State legislators need to understand that undermining the education of children with partisan politics is not a conservative thing to do. Look at the meaning of the word: to conserve is to save and plan for the future. Obtaining a high quality education is one of the best things a person can do to plan for the future. Education investment is the same as saving money in a bank. Please be conservative and support education in Utah.

DR Hall
Clearfield, UT

It is just like the Republicans to "Bite the hand that feeds you" Why did they not save up their own money over the years and not have this money crisis. a bunch of toddlers in diapers that throw tantrums and suck their thumbs when they can't have their way. they are the ones that got us into this mess all by them selves for eight solid years.

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