Minuteman Project takes aim at Utah immigration compact; Sandstrom will move ahead with bill


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    Nov. 18, 2010 12:39 a.m.

    We all know the problem. A federal government that refuses to enforce our current immigration laws enacted in 1996, after cries for reform.

    States, buried under the financial burden, are having to write their own laws.

    The compact is quite simplistic, it does not directly reference the illegal immigration problem. How about a new compact that defines the signers stand on illegal immigration?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 17, 2010 3:23 p.m.


    Are you really serious?

    "Does the typical American commit such acts on U.S. soil? "

    Um... yes.

    Do you really think that the majority of drug users are in jail or prosecuted? Do you really think a high percentage of tax cheats get caught? Do you really think that most who pirate software/music/movies are caught and prosecuted? Are most Americans who drive drunk on i15 caught, and prosecuted?

    This painting of hispanics as drug running drunk driving anti american invaders from the south bent on the destruction of everything good and wholesome is so over reaching.

    Most would prefer to stay in their home countries if they felt they could get ahead and provide a better life for their families. But bottom line, the system is totally broken.

    As to your question about the Germany scenario... I am sure he is taking some's German job, is using their medical system, uses their public services.

    To your last statement, are you implying that Hispanics aren't ticketed, cited, arrested, fined or prosecuted, if caught?

    What was the point there?

  • bstct SLC, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 12:46 p.m.


    Interesting that you refer to the topic of credibility, and then imply that in terms of degree and sheer pervasiveness, the criminality, disdain and disrespect of the typical, legal U.S. resident for the U.S. is somehow on par with that of the typical illegal alien.

    And what is your point regarding your father? Okay, so he chooses to retain his U.S. citizenship and not become a German citizen, fine. But does he not RESPECT the laws and customs of Germany? Did he ILLEGALLY INVADE Bundesrepublik Deutschland? Does he engage in document FRAUD? Has he committed identity THEFT? Does he engage in PERJURY? Is his primary purpose for residing in Germany the systematic theft and plunder of the German treasury, its public services, its medical services, and its welfare system? Does your father merge onto the AutoBahn drunk? Does he cause an increase in the rate of violent and other crime in Germany and otherwise erode its quality of life?

    I doubt it.

    Does the typical American commit such acts on U.S. soil?


    If that American does, is he NOT ticketed, cited, arrested, fined, or prosecuted, if caught?

    Of course he is.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    Interesting how so many are so compassionate towards illegal aliens yet show no compassion, not even a mention, of those legal residence who are negatively effected by illegals being here.

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    "The typical illegal alien has pure disdain for the U.S., its laws, its people, and its values"

    Based on what do you make this statement? Would you say the same for all the people who use creative accounting to break tax law also have a blanket disdain for the U.S.

    Statements like these are so over reaching that they immediately discredit anything else the writer might have said that was factual, positive, and working toward a solution.

    Because someone breaks a law does not mean thay hold the city, state or country they reside in with "pure disdain". Average US citizens break laws every day. Some because the laws are stupid and out of date, some because they don't know about them, and some because they are minor infractions.

    My dad works in Germany, his father in the UK. Neither have a desire to become British or German, neither wants to give up their US citizen ship. The hold neither the U.S. nor their host countries in disdain. You don't have to change citizenship or wrap yourself in a countries flag to respect and love also that country.

    "pure disdain" from another "perfect" conservative.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 12:56 a.m.

    Of course Eli Cawley is right: the Compact signers are lying each time they use the word "immigrant" in their "compact." These "leaders," in their suits and ties AND WITH THEIR PRETENSES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, COMPASSION AND CONSERVATISM (e.g. "conservative think tank"), know perfectly well that the issue is not in regard to immigrants and immigration but rather to ILLEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL immigration. And yet they very cunningly, slyly, falsely and dishonestly insinuate that Sandstrom and his supporters (that is to say, the MAJORITY of Utahns) are opposed to immigration and hate immigrants when, in fact, we welcome immigrants who genuinely desire to be Americans and who are willing to pledge allegiance to the U.S. flag with sincerity and fidelity. The typical illegal alien has pure disdain for the U.S., its laws, its people, and its values.

    I rejoice in the justice and truthfulness of Eli Cawley's words. I stand with Sandstrom and with the Utah Minuteman Project.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 12:43 a.m.

    @ van "If you were brought over here when you were 10 years old..."

    By the PARENTS. The LAWLESS PARENTS did this to their children.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:24 p.m.

    From CU we have this beautiful quote "Salt Lake is now considered a major hub for black tar heroin distribution and the bulk of it comes from Mexico via illegal immigration"

    You know, I read the same article by Sam Qunonos of the Los Angeles Times. And it made the very claims you echoed. But here is the rub. Someone has to be buying the stuff. And it isn't hispanics, but middle class Americans. So this is yet another case of blame the seller because we just can't blame the person who is the user. Same with prostitution. If these women just wouldn't sell themselves, these men would behave themselves.

    But we don't want to blame the people who liven in houses like ours, and look like us. It has to be the evil other people who trick these people. Bottom line, if people didn't buy, they wouldn't be here trying to sell.

    Not excusing it. Dealers need to be held responsible. But like everything else, there are two sides to every coin - and two sides to every story. Focusing on only one side tells a false story.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:12 p.m.

    Our lack of Federal enforcement of immigration laws, has stopped the enforcing of Visa laws and overstays, leading to human trafficking and exploitation. Until that, and the almost 10% unemployment is ended, it's not an option.

    Our quotas need to first and foremost, protect American jobs, we also need to make it fair to people from all parts of the world. Not just those that demand our laws be changed for their needs.

    Amnesty in any form, by allowing people breaking the law to stay, is not an option. It just puts off the problem to another time, creates more illegal immigration by people looking for the next amnesty, and rewarding those who break our laws. It goes against common sense, just like it did in 1986.

    After 25 years of promises and depressed wages, it's time to stop this game of economic dominoes against our poor and middle class.

  • Monstro222 Magna, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:06 p.m.

    I hope that our elected representatives have the courage to resist the corner that our "unelected leaders" have carefully put them in.

    The collapsing of the myriad issues associated with immigration into a nice sounding set of points in the Utah Compact should make us suspicious that we are being carefully misled by those who created and signed it.

    They don't really want a debate and they don't want to see reality - they only want a nice polite acceptance of their views by the rest of us.

    To continue on the path our elites have put us on is folly. We should seek what is best for the nation as a whole in the long-term.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:48 p.m.

    I just find it amazing that the LDS Church did not have an official member of its' First Presidency sign this.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:37 p.m.

    Two people both claim to support legal immigration. One actually hates immigrants. Ask him and he will reveal his cynical ploy by saying he will fight any attempt to increase the flow of legal migration "until the border is sealed and all illegals are rounded up and deported." In other words, never.

    The second acknowledges the value of immigration and supports both a broad expansion of visa quotas and a path to legal residency for those whose only violation is wanting to come help us build our country.

    Fortunately the truth is on the side of the second. As the truth spreads about immigration's effects on crime rates, the economy, wages, etc. more people will join the compact. We need them and they need us.

  • van Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:24 p.m.

    To Mr Bean.
    I think you miss the point. I bet you have broken many laws in your life. I was trying to make a point there are thousands of innocent people that are involved, like children, Spouses, parents friends ect.
    I ask myself how is it that you and people like Mr Sandstrom can't see the hundreds of thousands of lives this effects other than just the person that is in the country illegally.
    If you got a speeding ticket, do you think everyone in your family should pay a fine also?

    When I think of Mr Sandtroms approach I get a sick feeling. All those families that are seperated in the name of breaking a small law, like speeding.

    I think most people in this state wants a bill that helps families stay together. To help people progress. Why not support a bill that would allow illegals to earn their stay by giving back to the community.

    I hope Sandstroms bill will be thrown in the garbage where it belongs. I also hope our leaders will stop listen to the talk radio zombies and listen to decent leaders that signed the Utah Compact.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:11 p.m.


    It was the action of the illegal in marrying and fathering children that placed those children in danger of having their family broken up.

    By your logic, a guy whose father gave him a beer at age ten, who then went on to become an alcoholic, should not be prosecuted for drunk driving if he has his kids in the car.

  • Alfred Chicago, Ill
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    @UtahVoter 2:53 p.m.

    "...I would recommend that they do that and then keep reading just one more article for the appropriate context of what kind of laws and government we believe in upholding."

    It (13th Article) says in part 'If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.'

    What is virtuous and praiseworthy about someone sneaking into this country and occupying someone else's property?

    "Everyone agrees the laws need to be changed and are basically unenforceable in their current state."

    Not true. Most think that immigration laws now on the books are adequate. The problem is, the Obama Administration refuses to enforce the laws despite the fact that he swore, in reciting the oath of office, that he would uphold them.

  • Mr. Bean Chicago, Ill
    Nov. 16, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    @Informed Voter 12:36 a.m.

    "All my life at home and at church I was taught to obey the law."

    Apparently the LDS 12th Article of Faith no longer applies... Which says: 'We believe in... obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Or, maybe this does not apply to illegal immigrants.


    @ van 12:30 p.m.

    "You are married to a us citizen (still being illegal) with children that are US citizens, would you still support your bill?"

    I would support his bill. All who are here illegally can start the process of becoming legal by filling out the appropriate papers, leaving the country, and getting in line. If you are dumb enough to start a family as an illegal, they will have to be deported with you. Good luck.

    And if you are illegal, how is it that you can get a job here... which is also illegal?

    "Knowing you could get deported under your law, knowing there is almost no hope for you to ever return?"

    There are billions around the world who would like to come to the US. We can't take them all. View 'Immigration Gumballs' on YouTube to see why.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    I, for one, am very grateful for the Utah Compact and its brave signers.

    As for the good responder who oversimplified the immigration questions into "Read the 12th Article of Faith", I would recommend that they do that and then keep reading just one more article for the appropriate context of what kind of laws and government we believe in upholding.

    To those who say either 'uphold the law' *or* 'change it', I say "Yes, exactly". Everyone agrees the laws need to be changed and are basically unenforceable in their current state. It's a problem we should have solved long ago. But the solution is not in making immigration more difficult.

    Our draconian and xenophobic immigration laws bear no resemblance to the rules under which most of ancestors traveled here. For the first 100 years of our nation's existence, the Federal government did not even pretend to have the right to dictate lists of how many people could cross our borders of certain ethnicities. That didn't start until some opportunistic and racist California congressmen proposed some anti-Chinese limits in the late 1800's.

    The laws do need changing. The UT Compact points the right way.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    Interesting how the deseret news screens most of the comments from those of us who are concerned about illegal activity, but they sure will post the submissions of liberals who support the illegals.

    Even libs from Santa Monica California who have no business with what Utah does.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:43 p.m.

    Go, Mr Sandstrom. You have my support and I will let my rep know it.

  • TMR Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    You Minutemen supporters frighten me far more than the "horrors" of illegal immigration. Your sense of paranoria fascinates me. Is it something you eat? Something you drink? What drives you? How do you sleep at nights?

  • Nate Daniels Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    @JBrady: You are half correct. We have civil laws for those who overstay visas. There are no criminal laws. None. The only way a visa overstayer faces deportation is through the violation of OTHER criminal laws or if they voluntarily leave the country.

    My point is that folks who are blindly exhorting church teaching to obey the law do not appear to understand how broken the laws actually are.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    Was there any doubt in anyone's mind that in addition to the Atty General, who is supposed to enforce the law, Chris Burbak would also sign onto this? With guys like this in charge it is no wonder we have illegals running amok all over the state.
    Salt Lake is now considered a major hub for black tar heroin distribution and the bulk of it comes from Mexico via illegal immigration. With these two in charge of law enforcement we will probably be the heroin capital of the nation soon as they are too busy running around signing compacts that seek to excuse them from doing their jobs to ever actually get anything done. These two are truly pathetic.

  • van Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    A question for Mr Sandrtrom and all that support his bill.

    If you were brought over here when you were 10 years old fifteen years ago. Now...

    You are married to a us citizen(still being illegal) with children that are US citizens, would you still support your bill. Knowing you could get deported under your law, knowing there is almos no hope for you to ever return?
    Please answer it Mr Sandstrom. I kind of think you might have a different opinion.

    Sad to see people so hateful and unforgiving to such a complex issue.

    There bad carma will catch up to them.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    Those of you who are concerned with illegal trespassers: taking our jobs, having Americans pay for their healthcare, providing them with welfare, free education, etc.,- NEED TO REMEMBER - PLEASE, PLEASE, - contact your state representatives, state senators, especially during the next legislative session and ask them to support Sandstroms bill!
    You can bet that the organized groups who don't mind YOU paying the costs' of illegal trespassing will be doing the best they can to "water down", or eliminate Sandstroms' bill!

    Many thanks to Representative Sandstrom for his efforts to stop theft of state services by illegal trespassers!

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    Truth... nice red herring comment there. American tourist are being killed on the Mexican boarder... and Obama and the Libs aren't doing anything about it (nor did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagon...).

    Here is the funny thing, check and see how many "american tourist" have been killed on the boarder of Mexico (abt 200 since 2004, only 70 of those did not involve drug trafficing - Houston Chronical). Now compare how Americans were killed in Utah over that same period (285 - UCR Crime Statistics).

    But hey, if you can brand Mexicans and being a murderous people, what ever it takes. If the truth doesn't work, make up your own truth it seems. 17 million Americans visited Mexico each year. Over 85 million over the last 6 years. So 70 is what percent of 85 Million?

    Yes, this "Mexican" murder of 70 American Toursist problem should be the top issue - not the 285 Americans killed in Utah over the same period.

    If Sanderson wanted to solve a real problem, he should worry about local issues he has control over (jobs, taxes, schools). Not grand standing for political gain.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Bravo, Sandstrom!
    Boo, Burbank!

    What part of illegal do some people not understand?

    Failure to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants renders the "compact" utterly ridiculous and merely deceptive grandstanding at best, or at worst it is deliberate deception to confuse the public.

    Illegals go home, and those who support them must be held accountable.

    Welcome, legal immigrants!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    The compact is a publicity stunt to try to sway public opinion against enforcement of the laws, and keeping things the way they are now.

    I fully support measures to help Utah enforce immigration, and stop those that reject our laws.

    E-verify must have a fine, drivers privileged cards are a bad joke perpetuated on Utah's citizens, they need to be removed from use. (insurance can be purchased without a Utah license)

    We don't need to be mean spirited, just require people to be here honestly. Allowing millions of people to break our laws, sets a dangerous precedent.

  • Older Reader Tooele, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Read the 12th Article of Faith. Illegal is illegal!

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    The geniuses behind the CON PACT forgot to consult the only group whose opinion actually matters, the people of Utah. Polls how a majority support the AZ law and want it passed here. So if I were the Sutherland Institute I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch. Sandstrom is way more in line with the people of the state than you are. The minutemen are the only ones defending us from the illegal invasion of our nation, the people who wrote this document are waving the white flag.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    raybies; the Utah compact is not a law, but an opinion of a group of people. Most openly support the pro-illegal side of illegal immigration.

    Nate Daniels; we do have civil and criminal laws for those who overstay Visas. It can lead to fines and possible jail time, plus deportation.

    Mexico is building a fence on their southern border, maybe they know something?

    It seems personal responsibility went out the window the past few decades. Do we need these laws? Yes. America overwhelmingly wants immigration laws enforced. I don't think we can try America's patience much longer.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:22 a.m.

    American Tourists are dying on the mexican border and Obama and the libs are doing nothing......Glad someone has the sense to take this illegal issue seriously! You have my support Sandstrom!

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    The law is compassionate, it is the breaking of it that has no compassion. Just more exploitation with a false name.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Hatch doesn't have to worry about Shurtleff in 2012 since Shurtleff signed this deception. Shurtleff won't make it out of the convention.

  • Nate Daniels Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    FYI to all those claiming "we need to enforce/obey our laws." Our existing laws have no effect on immigrants who came here legally through a valid port of entry and over-stayed their Visas. This group makes up as much as 50% of the "undocumented" population depending on who you ask.

    Also, why do we never hear the minutemen talking about the root of the problem. People don't take pregnant wives and small children across deserts and through dangerous towns because they want an X-Box 360 or to see Hannah Montana in concert. There is usually something very wrong where they came from that makes them want to go somewhere else. Considering that Guatemala and El Salvador are the other options, I don't think a fence and some extra attention from local law enforcement are going to change anything.

  • Ray73 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    I am always amazed at how people spin their opinions around highly charged political issues. We live in a country that should be based on adherence to the law of the land. When people talk about splitting up families or religious leaders opinions, I wonder what that has to do with law. Obey the law or change the law. According to the law, the only choice for people illegally here is to take their family back to their legal country. If they want their children to live here, they have to let them live with a legal resident. Words like compassion have no place with obeying the law. If the majority of Americans want to change the law, then we can change their status to legal. Until that happens, then they have to leave the country. I am tired of all the rhetoric about this. Thiefs sneak into business or homes to perform illegal acts. Watch Border Wars and you will see the lengths illegal individuals sneak into The United States. We didn't drag them across the border.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    I find it amusing that some individuals seek to speak for the "silent majority". If my observations indicates what the "silent majority" thinks then I would say that Chief Burbank would be incorrect (and unemployed...) and that the tone and intent of the letter writer would be more in line with reality.

    It would be interesting to do a poll (a real one...)that would measure the reaction to this compact and see what Utahns are actually thinking...

    Personally, I believe that there has to be a balance between compassion and the rule of law. The laws exist to ensure order and justice. Compassion exists to create mercy and goodwill. Neither can exist without the other and I do not believe that we are balanced correctly at this time. I believe that the rule of law has been ignored and that the attempt to re-balance will be painful. It is natural for those who favor compassion to resist this rebalancing but it must be done for the benefit of all.

    Failure to rebalance will lead to further erosion of the rule of law that will hurt us all.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 8:13 a.m.

    Rep. Sandstrom you have my support. Legal immigration is the only solution to the illegal problem. Viva legal immigration.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:41 a.m.

    There is a false dichotomy of mercy vs justice. Those who think the status quo is merciful are ignoring important facts:

    Congress could fix immigration laws to get the right number of people here legally and safely.

    Congress instead tacitly encourages illegal immigration, risking the lives of those who have to pay treacherous coyotes, and haul backpacks full of drugs as their "payment", etc.

    This policy also jeopardizes the safety and security of our nation, by encouraging immigration with essentially no health or criminal background checks.

    Once illegal immigrants arrive, they still must live in the shadows and be in fear of deportation.

    Many companies prefer to hire cheap labor that isn't subject to minimum wage laws, don't demand safe working conditions, won't be likely to sue for worker's comp, will work overtime, without needing to be paid double-wages.

    The same companies make large donations to the congressmen who keep the laws, just as they are, rather than making them reasonable.

    Those who argue for "mercy" by encouraging the status quo are being played by professional politicians and the lobbyists who buy their elections.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:37 a.m.

    Most of us believe the moral high ground is following the law, and encouraging others too do likewise.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    The first line of this article tells you everything you need to know about the bias of the article's author. It characterizes Sandstrom's bill as "restrictive", yet it doesn't do anything more restrictive than the current federal law. It just makes many of the same things that are a violation of federal law, a violation of state law, so that they can more reliably be enforced.

    All of the items in the AZ bill that were questioned as being unconstitutional have been removed from Sandstrom's bill.

    The facts around this bill tell a very different story than the hype that the media fuels by quoting racial-organization "spokesmen" who mis-characterize the bill.

  • patriotandmore Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 6:52 a.m.

    The Minutemen are doing what our spineless politicians won't. They're pushing to see that the existing laws are enforced. Minutemen are patriots!

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 6:24 a.m.

    What is the law? Intractable? We the people organize law and it is meant to adapt to our circumstances.

    I'm amazed by some of the negative reactions to the Utah Compact. This is law to help solve some of the most divisive aspects of immigration--splitting up families and uprooting those who are contributing to our society--and a hateful faction is claiming, "Well, those LAWS don't count."

    There's a sickness in this country. One that requires punishment and ignores the enobling-freeing aspects of the law. It wants us to believe that the only solution is to use the law as a weapon, when laws could improve our country.

    Throwing out families that contribute to the core values of our country--they believe in freedom, family, marriage, hard work, God, and opportunity through these means, are being systematically bulldozed by fearmongers that crave political gravitas and their simpleminded solutions only make decent families into criminals punishable only by exile.

    This is wrong.

    The churches of Utah get it. All Utah is waking up to better solutions. We are not frightened pharisees. We welcome our brothers and sisters, generously providing them with legal means to thrive.

  • the cat nextdoor Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:58 a.m.

    An old story, mercy vs. justice, being retold: Les Miserables and even Christ's redemption itself. I favor a benevolent society with jurisdiction that emulates that society.

  • justducky Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:54 a.m.

    I agree with Mr Cawley's statements, as I believe the larger segment of Utah Citizens do.

    Of course, unscrupulous business owners and sanctimoneous church leaders are going to support illegal immigration since they profit from it.
    The burden of the cost is again heaped upon the backs of the US tax payers.

    I find it interesting that this 'compact' was not released until after the election. We will remember when it is time to vote again and will make our voices heard until then. Herbert OUT!

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:18 a.m.

    This compact is absurd and illegal. Utah cannot take on the role of federal government or negotiate disregard and repeal of federal laws or enforcement of federal laws. This compact is a secret contract among busies leaders and criminals illegal aliens occupying the territory of Utah and the United States. We are not talking about immigrants, we are talking about illegal foreign nationals, undocumented, diseased and criminal breaching our borders by force with no invitation or even an application to enter.

    This compact is a ticket to Utah businesses to subvert federal labor laws and tax laws the rights of the Utah citizens and the American people. Go Sandstorm, we are still with you and include occupation by illegal foreign nationals as a crime in your bill. Once and for all, define the difference in immigration and foreign occupation in a state law. Immigration is with documentation, foreign occupation is criminal intent and no documentation.

    Also add that anchor children are not defensible as cause not to deport entire families back to Mexico. In fact revocation of all birth certificates of illegal alien children be revoked as citizens of America.

  • William A Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:45 a.m.

    Witness the difference in posturing between the two sides. Cawley is remarkably blunt. It is an unrefined bluntness ("illegal derrieres") but it is honest, and we all know what he means, and we know his analysis of the ulterior motives of Compact signers is spot on.

    Meanwhile, the Compact signers produced a document filled with moral grandstanding, attempting to slyly question the humanity of their opponents. The document contradicted numerous positions they have all taken before. For example, how do they reconcile federal control of immigration policy with a Utah guest worker program, or Utah's undermining of immigration enforcement through giving illegals driver's licenses and in-state tuition?

    They say we should not separate families. Talk to soldiers serving in Iraq, or inmates with children on the outside - or to illegal immigrants who come HERE and leave their families behind.

    And, of course, they were not even honest enough to explain that they are talking about illegal immigrants, not legal ones.

    The Utah Compact is both mean-spirited and fundamentally dishonest. That says a lot about those who signed it.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 12:36 a.m.

    Illegal is illegal. All my life at home and at church I was taught to obey the law. So now is that no longer important? I hope the legislature passes a strong anti-illegal immigrant law that forces the so called Chief of Police to enforce the law. I am bored by the red herring that families of illegals will be split. Everyone can go to their home country together.

  • working class Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    Re: Cawley: "The issue is cheap illegal alien labor and church membership, and everyone knows it."

    While I agree in principle with the compact, Mr. Cawley has told the truth. Cheap illegal alien labor depresses wage rates. Indeed it is one of the reason for the stagnation of real wages in the United States the last 40 years. This is a troublesome issue for me: compassion is called for with regard to breaking up families, but it IS ABOSLUTELY unfair to domestic labor of all races and ethnicities.

    Nov. 15, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    Exactly how does enforcing immigration laws separate families? In every article I can find on the Internet, the children have returned with their parents.

    Children under 18 that were born here have no legal right to stay here alone. But can stay with family, it is the parents decision.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 6:47 p.m.

    At this time, I would really like to see what the Minuteman Project has to say. The Minuteman Project has been to the Mexican border. What do they see? What does their research and understanding suggest we do about out illegal immigration problem here in Utah?

    Politicians and businessmen who benefit from illegal immigration have signed the Utah Compact, which is yet another piece of paper that doesn't offer solutions. The Minuteman Project has more to say than "the Compact sucks." Please, DN, can we dig a little deeper?